A Young Lady Who Deserves The Gas Chamber

[Jedi Knight]

Luring a friend (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/6026179.htm) with promises of sex, this monster:

http://www.philly.com/images/philly/dailynews/6029/36351571137.jpg

..led the victim into an ambush where he had his brains bashed in by axes, bricks, clubs and boulders.

The girl who led the victim to his death was supposed to graduate from the 8th grade next week. :eek:

I want to see her inside of a gas chamber. That is where she needs to be. The electric chair will be too merciful for her.

As quoted by the police: "That kid is lying on a slab in a morgue still screaming in pain."

JK

[Tony]

I read about that on CNN, it is absolutely sickening.

How do you protect your child from such a thing?

The perps definitely deserve death.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tony
I read about that on CNN, it is absolutely sickening.

How do you protect your child from such a thing?

The perps definitely deserve death.

American public schools and single parent households (female) are producing these monsters.

There are no easy solutions to either. Hard decisions, actually.

JK

[Gem]

What about the other conspirators, JK?

Gem

P.S: Sick crime, can't they just blackjack him?

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by Gem
What about the other conspirators, JK?

Gem

P.S: Sick crime, can't they just blackjack him?

The other conspirators are male, so it doesn't fit JK's misogynistic agenda to mention them.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem
What about the other conspirators, JK?

Gem

P.S: Sick crime, can't they just blackjack him?

She was the ring leader, the person who led the victim to the ambush.

JK

[demon]

"I want to see her inside of a gas chamber. That is where she needs to be. The electric chair will be too merciful for her."

Jedi, as far I I knew old sparky wasn`t such a nice way to go either.
Serious question, what makes the gas chamber worse? I don`t know anything about it but I would have thought gas would have been less of an ordeal.
Thanks in advance.

[Pyrrho]

Here's your answer to the question "Why?":


"The motive was robbery," said Sgt. Kathleen McGowan of the homicide division. "They planned to rob him and use the money to get high."


"They hung out during the day. They wanted to be in a band. They spent their nights partying and getting high."

Illegal drugs, same as always. What else can you expect from the American drug culture?

Know where your children are, and what they are doing.

Gas chamber? I'm inclined to agree.

[Gem]

She was the ring leader

Where in the article does it say she was the ringleader?

Gem

P.S.: Apparently robbery wasn't just the only intent.


On the surface, police officials are saying Sweeney was a victim of murder for money, perhaps to fuel drug habits of some of his friends. At it's core, perhaps, are more complex breakdowns of friendship that opened a path to violence, contributing to what two investigators say may also have the elements of a "thrill" killing.

"If they just wanted to rob him, they could have gotten the money after the first blow," said another investigator, who is not completely satisfied with robbery as a full explanation for the crime.

"It appeared as though some anger was involved," acknowledged McGowan.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Where in the article does it say she was the ringleader?

Gem

P.S.: Apparently robbery wasn't just the only intent.



When I was in 8th grade, I was collecting comic books, camping and playing baseball.

8th grade girls today arrange ambushes of 16 year old men for their paychecks from the boy's father to kill them and then go buy crack cocaine, ecstacy, heroin and crystal meth.

Then the 8th grade girls go have sex with dozens of partners after they enter their drug-induced state from the narcotic ingestion and then coerce other young men to assist them in killing/robbing other victims.

You think these monsters are bad now, just wait.

JK

[Gem]

When I was in 8th grade, I was collecting comic books, camping and playing baseball.

8th grade girls today arrange ambushes of 16 year old men for their paychecks from the boy's father to kill them and then go buy crack cocaine, ecstacy, heroin and crystal meth.

Then the 8th grade girls go have sex with dozens of partners after they enter their drug-induced state from the narcotic ingestion and then coerce other young men to assist them in killing/robbing other victims.

You think these monsters are bad now, just wait.

JK

*salutes*

You have effecticly lost all credibility unless you can prove these gross generalizations.

Godspeed, soldier.

Gem

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


When I was in 8th grade, I was collecting comic books, camping and playing baseball.

8th grade girls today arrange ambushes of 16 year old men for their paychecks from the boy's father to kill them and then go buy crack cocaine, ecstacy, heroin and crystal meth.

Then the 8th grade girls go have sex with dozens of partners after they enter their drug-induced state from the narcotic ingestion and then coerce other young men to assist them in killing/robbing other victims.

You think these monsters are bad now, just wait.

JK

Weren't there also satanic sacrifices involved!!!
It think I saw this on Dateline.:D

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


*salutes*

You have effecticly lost all credibility unless you can prove these gross generalizations.

Godspeed, soldier.

Gem

Here is the proof (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/6026179.htm).

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by KelvinG


Weren't there also satanic sacrifices involved!!!
It think I saw this on Dateline.:D

lol

JK

[Frostbite]

Excellent journalism. Devoting an entire page of gruesome detail as to HOW it was done, yet no reason WHY it happened. I'm sure the victim wasn't innocent; that guy must've done SOMETHING to provoke that. Otherwise, why would these kids do such a thing knowing that they'd either spend the rest of their lives behind bars?

It doesn't make sense, thanks to that piece of sensationalist piece of crap some people call journalism.

[Gem]

JK, you posted the SAME article.

That article establishes as fact that a gang of children/teenager killed someone for his money, and maybe because of "the thrill of killing." No where does it support ANYTHING you have said so far except maybe the gas chamber for the lady (and what about the boys?)

And JK, you are lynching her. They accuse her of luring him to his death. Of course you already want her to die, but unlike Mr. Peterson's case, you don't cry "fair trial" etc, do you? To paraphrase you: All I want is for (insert name of person) to have a fair trial. The liberal media is lynching (insert name of person).

This is sickening...

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Frostbite
Excellent journalism. Devoting an entire page of gruesome detail as to HOW it was done, yet no reason WHY it happened. I'm sure the victim wasn't innocent; that guy must've done SOMETHING to provoke that. Otherwise, why would these kids do such a thing knowing that they'd either spend the rest of their lives behind bars?

It doesn't make sense, thanks to that piece of sensationalist piece of crap some people call journalism.

Yeah that's it. Blame the victim. The poor "16 year old" guy deserved it--deserved to have his brains bashed in.

The article explained why the girl arranged the ambush. She wanted drugs. To get drugs she needed money. To get the money she had to attack and murder a contributor to society, not a drug-induced predator to which she made daily company.

She knew the guy had a job, was paid well by his father and on 'payday' she led the boy to his death via bricks, axes, clubs and boulders.

She was in the 8th grade and she desperately needed drugs and sex. It is the result of feminism in the United States.

JK

[Gem]

It is the result of feminism in the United States.

Welcome to the harem.:rolleyes:

Gem

[Gem]

Excellent journalism. Devoting an entire page of gruesome detail as to HOW it was done, yet no reason WHY it happened. I'm sure the victim wasn't innocent; that guy must've done SOMETHING to provoke that. Otherwise, why would these kids do such a thing knowing that they'd either spend the rest of their lives behind bars?

Actually, frostbite, there are two possibilities. The first one is robbery, the second one was "thrill of killing." The problem in my opinion is that it's too early to say anything, only police sources say, witnesses are saying, etc. SHe might not have any involvement at all, but it's going to be up to the trial.

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem
JK, you posted the SAME article.

That article establishes as fact that a gang of children/teenager killed someone for his money, and maybe because of "the thrill of killing." No where does it support ANYTHING you have said so far except maybe the gas chamber for the lady (and what about the boys?)

And JK, you are lynching her. They accuse her of luring him to his death. Of course you already want her to die, but unlike Mr. Peterson's case, you don't cry "fair trial" etc, do you? To paraphrase you: All I want is for (insert name of person) to have a fair trial. The liberal media is lynching (insert name of person).

This is sickening...

Gem

I have yet to see any evidence that Peterson had anything to do with his wife's death. When I do, you will be the first to know, believe me.

That said, they confessed to what they did. The little drug-kid called one of the boys on her cell-phone to ask them where they were waiting in ambush. The girl called them cowards because she thought they changed their minds on the ambush she arranged. She then led the boy to a separate location where the others were waiting, after starting to undress for the guy who thought:

"Wow, this girl wants to have sex with me. What a lucky guy I am." Little did he know she was deceiving him..planning to murder him. She used his love for her to extinguish his life.

But as she undressed, the angry drug-crazed group she hung with descended upon the victim and bashed his brains in with axes, bricks, clubs and boulders. As it happened the queen-bee dressed and thought: "OK, the mark is dead. Now where is his wallet so I can go get some drugs?"

Show me any facts like those above relating to Peterson.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Actually, frostbite, there are two possibilities. The first one is robbery, the second one was "thrill of killing." The problem in my opinion is that it's too early to say anything, only police sources say, witnesses are saying, etc. SHe might not have any involvement at all, but it's going to be up to the trial.

Gem

She didn't have any involvement? She called her 'crew' in standard queen-bee form and asked them why they weren't at the ambush site.

Her 'crew' then told her it was she that was at the wrong location so she took the victim to a second location where the ambush was initially planned to have him killed.

The queen bee said: "What did you do, bitch out?" she allegedly asked.

Yep, queen-bee in action.

That is proof of premeditation and no amount of apologist spin is going to get her off the hook. I want to see her cyanide-gassed in a federal prison.

JK

[chulbert]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


American public schools and single parent households (female) are producing these monsters.

There are no easy solutions to either. Hard decisions, actually.

JK

Public schools? From the HNoJ website (www.holynameofjesus.com):

"Holy Name of Jesus School is a private Catholic elementary school located in eastern suburban Harrisburg."

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight



Show me any facts like those above relating to Peterson.

JK
Oh NO!!!! Jedi, act quickly...you have to condemn this blatant and deliberate leaking of information by the prosecution to the evil left wing media. After all, this was your stance in the Peterson Case....surely you are not going to be a complete hypocrite and not demand the same in this case? Hmmmm, no, on second thoughts, you problably will just be a complete hypocrite.


Lol, conspiracy theorists...don't you just love them....:)

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

Oh NO!!!! Jedi, act quickly...you have to condemn this blatant and deliberate leaking of information by the prosecution to the evil left wing media. After all, this was your stance in the Peterson Case....surely you are not going to be a complete hypocrite and not demand the same in this case? Hmmmm, no, on second thoughts, you problably will just be a complete hypocrite.


Lol, conspiracy theorists...don't you just love them....:)

They confessed to the crime. That is why the media is accurately reporting it.

Scott Peterson didn't confess and there is no smoking-gun evidence he did it.

Therein lies the difference. Or don't you see it.

JK

[Gem]

Show me any facts like those above relating to Peterson.

I'm relating it as the opposite of Peterson. You think the media is trying lynch peterson, and told your reasons. This case, while not the same, you have the exact opposite reaction. Both cases have nothing to do with each other.

If you think the media is lynching Peterson, so is it lynching this girl.

She called her 'crew' in standard queen-bee form and asked them why they weren't at the ambush site.

Wrong

For some unknown reason, sources said the couple failed to rendezvous with the killers, prompting an angry call from the boys to Morley's cell phone.

The boys called HER.

Edited to add:

I can't find that they confessed, which paragraph do they confest?

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem
The boys called HER.

Yep, for criminal instructions. They were calling their queen-bee criminal master-mind.

That is why she said: "Are you guys bitching out?" (wimping out).

JK

[Gem]

How can I debate such critical thinking?:rolleyes:

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem
How can I debate such critical thinking?:rolleyes:

Gem

Acknowledge my genius? :D

JK

[Gem]

Acknowledge my genius?

at avoiding common sense, yes.

Because of you I have a daily dose of iirational thoughts. It's addictive.

gem

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


They confessed to the crime. That is why the media is accurately reporting it.

Scott Peterson didn't confess and there is no smoking-gun evidence he did it.

Therein lies the difference. Or don't you see it.

JK
Lol....I sould not expect any different.

You are damn right I don't see it. Please quote me the bit in the article you linked to to says anyone has confessed to anything. Once again...you only condemn the media when they are leaking stuff that contradicts your latest conspiracy theory. When the leaks reinforce your delusions you are quite happy.

Lately, your fabrications are becoming so clumsy that they are becoming a joke. You fabricate statistics whenever it suits you, you fabricate "confessions" whenever it suits you....Can you think of any reason that I should believe anything you claim is true? By default, I simply assume you are lying....This is sad, I have no Idea why someone would want to flush their credibility down the toilet like that....

[corplinx]

According to the story. The boys who killed him were known thugs. Perhaps if their neighbors had acted like good citizens and snitched on them for their previous crimes this wouldn't have happened.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

Lol....I sould not expect any different.

You are damn right I don't see it. Please quote me the bit in the article you linked to to says anyone has confessed to anything. Once again...you only condemn the media when they are leaking stuff that contradicts your latest conspiracy theory. When the leaks reinforce your delusions you are quite happy.

Lately, your fabrications are becoming so clumsy that they are becoming a joke. You fabricate statistics whenever it suits you, you fabricate "confessions" whenever it suits you....Can you think of any reason that I should believe anything you claim is true? By default, I simply assume you are lying....This is sad, I have no Idea why someone would want to flush their credibility down the toilet like that....

Fool, attacking me doesn't help your cause (radical feminazism), or change the facts I present.

You wouldn't know what credibility was if it dropped out of the sky and hit you in the echo-feminist head.

JK

[Gem]

You are damn right I don't see it. Please quote me the bit in the article you linked to to says anyone has confessed to anything. Once again...you only condemn the media when they are leaking stuff that contradicts your latest conspiracy theory. When the leaks reinforce your delusions you are quite happy.

Lately, your fabrications are becoming so clumsy that they are becoming a joke. You fabricate statistics whenever it suits you, you fabricate "confessions" whenever it suits you....Can you think of any reason that I should believe anything you claim is true? By default, I simply assume you are lying....This is sad, I have no Idea why someone would want to flush their credibility down the toilet like that....

Yes! You're not alone fool.

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Yes! You're not alone fool.

Gem

lol appeal to popularity.

JK

[Gem]

lol appeal to popularity.

Never thought that "popularity" was one person. I think what you mean is "appeal to reason."

Gem

[KelvinG]

I hate to say it JK, but Fool is right. Cry appeal to popularity all you want, but the primary reason I read your posts is for perverse amusement.
I don't think your a bad guy, but it's almost impossible to take you seriously.
Your tendency to make outrageous statements in order to raise sh*t is so blatantly obvious it doesn't even qualify as effective trolling.

If you really were as annoying to people as you are trying to be, I think a lot more people would have you on ignore. Instead, your posts serve as mild comic relief.

But like I said, I don't think your a bad guy. If I thought you really believed some of the things you say, then I might think you are a bad guy, but your efforts at instigating trouble are just too transparent.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Never thought that "popularity" was one person. I think what you mean is "appeal to reason."

Gem

It is appeal to popularity logic fallacy. If you think that sticking your nose up the butt of someone attacking me for simply posting facts about criminals is 'appeal to reason', let me tell you now that you must be intellectually desperate in this debate.

Talk about the case. That is what I am doing. I know you want my autograph and want to hold a banquet in my honor like Fool wants to and Kelvin, but I don't need that. I just need you to debate the topic at hand, the function of this thread.

So tell me, how is the drug-induced psychopath chick that led the criminal gang in their rage-killing of a harmless 'productive' 16 year old young man anything less than wicked evil and entirely worthy of the gas chamber?

JK

[Gem]

So tell me, how is the drug-induced psychopath chick that led the criminal gang in their rage-killing of a harmless 'productive' 16 year old young man anything less than wicked evil and entirely worthy of the gas chamber?

Maybe because she is innocent? Where is that "confession you were talking about? You also talked a lot about your feminazi agenda thingy, which is NOT supported by the article. You can say feminazi all you want, but you have no proof.

Gem

[The Fool]

Lol...This is the Jedi way. When you are called for inventing facts you respond with a whine. I can assure you that having your facts demolished certainly does affect the facts you present. It Demolishes them.....

Now you are being "attacked" for "simply posting facts"? Its the "facts" that are being demolished like tin ducks at a shooting gallery.

So, lets remove the lies and see whats left? hmmmm, that just leaves the conspiracy theories. Whats next JK, Chemtrails?

so prove me wrong, show me where this girl confesses, She's probably guilty as hell...but you said she had confessed, Is this a lie?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Maybe because she is innocent? Where is that "confession you were talking about? You also talked a lot about your feminazi agenda thingy, which is NOT supported by the article. You can say feminazi all you want, but you have no proof.

Gem

Gem, all you had to do was ask and I would explain it to you. The 'feminazi' thing is what produces these monsters. It is cause/effect. The feminist movment and the "enlightenment" of the country via single mothers is breeding clinically-damaged kids.

Also, she is not innocent. If she was innocent, why was she communicating with the other monsters minutes before they all killed the kid, and why did they tell police she led the guy to the ambush? You know, cell phone records, assisting the murder at the scene of the crime, luring the victim to the ambush location, etc etc etc. (nailed!)

I am thinking that the last thing she needs to remember is the smell of almonds as the gas chamber she is placed in pressurizes.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool
Lol...This is the Jedi way. When you are called for inventing facts you respond with a whine. I can assure you that having your facts demolished certainly does affect the facts you present. It Demolishes them.....

Now you are being "attacked" for "simply posting facts"? Its the "facts" that are being demolished like tin ducks at a shooting gallery.

So, lets remove the lies and see whats left? hmmmm, that just leaves the conspiracy theories. Whats next JK, Chemtrails?

so prove me wrong, show me where this girl confesses, She's probably guilty as hell...but you said she had confessed, Is this a lie?

After they told police they killed the kid, they asked the police if 'they could go home".

Hello!?!?

Hey Fool, stick to Kangaroo herding bro.

JK

[Zep]

What the..??!!

Are you guys SERIOUSLY bitching over a puff-piece in a trash-rag like that? Do you seriously think that it has been PROPERLY researched AT ALL??

C'MON!!!

This tripe was probably thrown together by some cadet journo using stuff he overheard while talking to someone in a bar. It fills websites and the daily tabloids - it's trash. Grade A, Class-1, tuberculin-free T.R.A.S.H. Murdoch would be proud!

Post the court proceedings, JK, THEN we can talk.

Zep

[Vorticity]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
As quoted by the police: "That kid is lying on a slab in a morgue still screaming in pain."
I must be missing something here. What the hell is the above statement supposed to mean?

edited to add:

Never mind, I get it. He must mean the kid's face is locked in a position of screaming in pain.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Vorticity

I must be missing something here. What the hell is the above statement supposed to mean?

edited to add:

Never mind, I get it. He must mean the kid's face is locked in a position of screaming in pain.

No, what the police officer meant by his statement of the dead young man is that the victim was beaten so severely with axes, clubs and boulders that he was probably still screaming after death.

The officer was explaining how really nasty the crime was. In the article it says the kid was beaten so badly he was unrecognizeable.

JK

[Gem]

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/6026179.htm
Morley's (the girl) lawyer, William J. Brennan, said his client "seemed like a good kid, a nice kid, who comes from a good family."

He said he has yet to see any documents offered by the commonwealth to demonstrate that Morley "played any role in this - as a lure or as a part" of the alleged planning of Sweeney's murder.

"At this point I haven't seen or been told or heard anything to substantiate that my client was in any way involved in this terrible crime," he said.


I have reread the article and NOWHERE does it say they confessed. The defense lawyer said this above.

But of course, since she's a feminazi byproduct, forget the trial and throw her in the gas chamber already. Let's lynch her like the media is lynching scott peterson.

Gem

P.S.: Just admit you were wrong about the confession and we'll all be good kids and drink some lemonade together.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem
But of course, since she's a feminazi byproduct, forget the trial and throw her in the gas chamber already. Let's lynch her like the media is lynching scott peterson.

lol

A question--is what is being done to Scott a slippery, underhanded thing? I have no sympathy for murderers--if Scott is found guilty then hey, gas him--but if the guy is innocent, isn't it wrong to say he is not innocent in the global media?

P.S.: Just admit you were wrong about the confession and we'll all be good kids and drink some lemonade together.

OK, maybe the girl didn't confess but the ring-leaders usually don't. It is the minions of queen-bees that confess and I think they spilled all the honey on her. The police wouldn't have all the information they have without someone telling them everything that happened. What that means is that a confession really isn't needed when co-conspirators place her at the scene and as the key instrument in luring the victim to his death.

But sure, as a critical thinker, let's drink some strawberry lemonade together. :D

JK

[Gem]

But sure, as a critical thinker, let's drink some strawberry lemonade together.

Cheers!:D

Gem

[subgenius]

"...the minions of queen-bees..."
Hymenoptera must really drive him nuts.
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/arthropoda/uniramia/hymenoptera.html

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius
"...the minions of queen-bees..."
Hymenoptera must really drive him nuts.
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/arthropoda/uniramia/hymenoptera.html

I have 2 minutes. Tell me everything you know.

JK

[peptoabysmal]

In the story, it is claimed that the boys listened to the song "Helter Skelter" to get ready for the killing deed.

The Beatles claim yet another victim. I'm so glad I listened to nothing in those days but Led Zeppelin.

[DialecticMaterialist]

Though I agree with you JK on the proximate treatment I must strongly deny what you ultimately claim to be the cause. I mean do you even know whether they came from one parent household's or not? Notice this Jezebel came from a Xian school Jedi, not a secular one.

The lady and her friends are monsters and deserve death. I mean killing someone for 125 dollars is not even prudent.

[DialecticMaterialist]

In the story, it is claimed that the boys listened to the song "Helter Skelter" to get ready for the killing deed.


I really hope this is a joke. I've listened to Helter Skelter too, though I am not a fan. That mean I'm going to go kill somebody? That mean there is a causal link IF I did?

Post hoc.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist
Though I agree with you JK on the proximate treatment I must strongly deny what you ultimately claim to be the cause. I mean do you even know whether they came from one parent household's or not? Notice this Jezebel came from a Xian school Jedi, not a secular one.

The lady and her friends are monsters and deserve death. I mean killing someone for 125 dollars is not even prudent.

I admit I was generalizing but did so based on facts. Since single parent homes became 'fashionable' via radical feminism, our schools and our children are turning into monsters and our prison populations have multiplied a thousand fold. In the early 1970's our prison population for the entire United States was 695,000. Today it is nearly 3,000,000 with hoards of criminals released because there is no room for them.

Nowadays we have kids that go into school to gun their peers down, no parental responsibility, schools that are houses of horrors, a culture that is anti-family, etc. That is why I mentioned it as the cause.

Feminism is ripping this country apart and when we lose generations of our kids to its doctrine, it is game over. Kids today are angry narcisistic monsters who don't have any respect for themselves, and certainly not anyone else.

JK

[DialecticMaterialist]

I think that the US is actually better off then it's ever been. And your statements do sound a bit post hoc. I mean religious fundamentalism has been on the rise too, do we blame that for anything bad that's happened as well?

Also we have more people now at days in general, so of course we are going to have more in prison. And even if proportion wise we had more that could mean there are more criminals but it could also mean more are getting caught.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist
I think that the US is actually better off then it's ever been. And your statements do sound a bit post hoc. I mean religious fundamentalism has been on the rise too, do we blame that for anything bad that's happened as well?

Also we have more people now at days in general, so of course we are going to have more in prison. And even if proportion wise we had more that could mean there are more criminals but it could also mean more are getting caught.

But our population hasn't increased as much as people think that it has. If you look at the percentages of the population in the 1970's and compare it to our current population, the increase in crime is unreal.

The point I am making is that crimes involving children are increasing exponentially to ridiculous levels and the crimes are shocking. That is a systemic pattern due in large part to kids raising themselves. The mothers aren't getting the job done.

Sure, the economy is getting better for many folks and has since the early 1990's, but it is hard to leverage that when kids are gunning other kids down in school or killing them with axes, boulders and clubs for their paychecks under promises of sex when they are in the 8th grade.

JK

[subgenius]

"The mothers aren't getting the job done."--JK

And the fathers must be coerced by them to do nothing, since JK finds no responsibilty there.

Only JK would be able to resist the pressure. What a manly man.

[subgenius]

"...kids are gunning other kids down in school or killing them with axes, boulders and clubs for their paychecks under promises of sex when they are in the 8th grade."

Paging Dr. Freud.


Lots of 8th graders with paychecks being conned out of them with promises of sex by other 8th graders........what world is this guy trying to live in?
Look out he's about to erupt.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius
"...kids are gunning other kids down in school or killing them with axes, boulders and clubs for their paychecks under promises of sex when they are in the 8th grade."

Paging Dr. Freud.


Lots of 8th graders with paychecks being conned out of them with promises of sex by other 8th graders........what world is this guy trying to live in?
Look out he's about to erupt.

You need to take some anger management classes.

JK

[Dancing David]

So what is the difference between her and Scott Peterson?

Is JK now trying to try this girl in the sceptics forum. What is the difference between this case and the Peterson case.

Um, male victim. Female perpetrator.

Evil little feminazi.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The mothers aren't getting the job done.

JK

I suppose that fathers have nothing to do with the raising of children, just the fun part. Maybe FAMILIES RAISE CHILDREN.

Just an aside.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Dancing David


I suppose that fathers have nothing to do with the raising of children, just the fun part. Maybe FAMILIES RAISE CHILDREN.

Just an aside.

That's the point. Single moms raising kids are not families. They are monster factories.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Dancing David
So what is the difference between her and Scott Peterson?

Is JK now trying to try this girl in the sceptics forum. What is the difference between this case and the Peterson case.

Um, male victim. Female perpetrator.

Evil little feminazi.

The kids confessed to the murder. The police have smoking-gun evidence they did it.

No such position is binding in the Peterson case. That is the incredibly obvious difference.

JK

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


That's the point. Single moms raising kids are not families. They are monster factories.

JK

gee that smacks of an overgeneralization, how many murderers come from intact families?

How many murderers are Christian, the leading cause of homocide?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Dancing David
gee that smacks of an overgeneralization, how many murderers come from intact families?

25% of all criminals come from intact families. A full 75% + come from single parent, female-run households.

JK

[Gem]

The kids confessed to the murder. The police have smoking-gun evidence they did it.

Looks I have to step in again. Where does it say the kids confessed, JK? The police doesn't mention smoking-gun evidence too either.

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Looks I have to step in again. Where does it say the kids confessed, JK? The police doesn't mention smoking-gun evidence too either.

Gem

From the article--Her job, according to police sources, was to promise Sweeney sex - and lead him into a death trap. It was a plan, detectives said, that Morley had hatched the week before with Sweeney's other Fishtown pals: Nicholas Coia, 16, his brother Dominic, 17, and Edward Batzig Jr., 16, Sweeney's best friend since the fourth grade.

The police provided that information based upon confessions by the suspects. Where else did they get it?

JK

[subgenius]

"...according to police sources..."
Snitches, ear and eyewitnesses, many other sources normal to police work.
But there's no use arguing with the greatest detective of all time: Sherlock Knight. Never been wrong on the smallest point yet.

[DavidJames]

"25% of all criminals come from intact families. A full 75% + come from single parent, female-run households."

Since no one else has questioned this, I'm sure it's true, but just for my records, could you post the source for this?

Thanks

[Questioninggeller]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


When I was in 8th grade, I was collecting comic books, camping and playing baseball.

8th grade girls today arrange ambushes of 16 year old men for their paychecks from the boy's father to kill them and then go buy crack cocaine, ecstacy, heroin and crystal meth.

Then the 8th grade girls go have sex with dozens of partners after they enter their drug-induced state from the narcotic ingestion and then coerce other young men to assist them in killing/robbing other victims.

You think these monsters are bad now, just wait.

JK

I usually don't respond to these type posts, but this happens to be a boring day so I'll waste sometime...

I know this is a small point for the lack of logic in this but,

1) Where does it say these were 8th graders, usually 10 or 11 grades have 16 and 17 year olds?

2) I noticed they went to a religious school, why not blame that?

3) She was part of the group and they divide the money equally. Why is it strictly her fault?

4) If the boy wanted to have sex, and maybe so did the girl then what's your problem with the sexes?

5) If anyone were to make false conclusions of this, why not say that the girl was just a pawn in the murder? She did not plan it only carried out the bait for the trap.

6) It was a captialistic system they needed money for. Why not blame captialism and society for the miseducation and drive for intoxication?

7) Why blame not the Dad for paying his son, if he did not have money he wouldn't have been lured in?

As one sees the finger pointing with false conclusions can be very tired some, and to point the finger all you need is a prejuidce towards to case to see what you want to see.


Yeah, it's her fault for being the bait, but don't forget the kids who killed that boy. They should have more blame for the murder.

[DavidJames]

Any luck finding the source for your claim that 75% come from "single parent, female-run households"?

[Roadtoad]

I almost bypassed this thread, noting that JK opened it. Thankfully, saner heads are posting here.

(1.) There has been no trial. These kids remain alleged conspiritors in this boy's death.

(2.) I, too, did not see evidence in the article of a confession. Even then, I want to see it hold up in court before I jump to any conclusions.

(3.) Robbery was cited as one motive, though the local polizei are saying there's more involved here. Any chance we'll see any more info on this, and what role it might have played in the killing?

(4.) Assuming these kids ARE convicted, do you really want to see them executed? I question this. What purpose would it serve, other than to end relatively quickly the misery they deserve. The better end would be to see them in the general prison population, without any chance of parole.

(5.) I see no evidence that all the alleged killers were the products of single parent families. It is possible I missed this in the article, but considering the number of kids who grow up in TWO parent homes that turn out evil, I would question the validity of this argument.

Finally,

(6.) Bearing in mind that this article is more or less from a "rag," how much has been left out to keep the tittilation factor high?

There are far too many questions. Not enough answers. Tell you what, JK: When you have FACTS, post again. Otherwise, you remain on ignore.

D*%&$^@*!!!!!!!!

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
Tell you what, JK: When you have FACTS, post again. Otherwise, you remain on ignore.

You can't ignore truth. It comes to you automatically.

JK

[DavidJames]

"You can't ignore truth. It comes to you automatically."

Could you automatically tell us where you discovered this "truth":

"25% of all criminals come from intact families. A full 75% + come from single parent, female-run households."

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by DavidJames
"You can't ignore truth. It comes to you automatically."

Could you automatically tell us where you discovered this "truth":

"25% of all criminals come from intact families. A full 75% + come from single parent, female-run households."

Most gang members, 60% of rapists, (http://www.atlasusa.org/highlight_archive/1995/H1995-02-Family.html) and 75% of teenage homicide perpetrators come from single-parent homes.

A survey of 108 rapists (http://www.divorcereform.org/crime.html) undertaken by Raymond A. Knight and Robert A. Prentky revealed the 60 percent came from female-headed homes,. 70 percent of those describable as 'violent' came from female-headed homes. 80 percent of those motivated by 'displaced anger' came from female-headed (single-parent) homes.

Some 70 percent of juvenile delinquents (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Crime/HL401.cfm) in state reform institutions lived in single-parent homes or with someone other than their natural parents. One study found that 75 percent of adolescent murderers came from single-parent homes.

JK

[Checkmite]

The article seems to make it clear that all this kids planned this dastardly deed together. Perhaps they should all go to the chamber.

[Gem]

From the article--Her job, according to police sources, was to promise Sweeney sex - and lead him into a death trap. It was a plan, detectives said, that Morley had hatched the week before with Sweeney's other Fishtown pals: Nicholas Coia, 16, his brother Dominic, 17, and Edward Batzig Jr., 16, Sweeney's best friend since the fourth grade.

The police provided that information based upon confessions by the suspects. Where else did they get it?

JK

You seem to be unable to read well.
according to police sources
detectives said

Where else did they get it? How about crime reconstruction? They don't need a confession to solve a puzzle (though not always, but it helps if they get one).

And again, most importantly of all, IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CONFESSIONS.

JK:

OK, maybe the girl didn't confess but the ring-leaders usually don't.

So let me get this straight, the feminazi want all divorce cases to be won by women, especially with child care, so that the child will be raised by single parent (female) household, which results in 60% of them commiting crime, etc. Therefore, the feminazis are spreading crime through their facist agenda. Damn, I'm getting better than you JK.

Gem

[DavidJames]

First of all, nowhere in the links can anyone with any reasonable analytical skills come away with the belief that 75% of all criminals come from female headed households.

Second, your own quotes fail support your conclusion. In each of these cases, you have clearly spun the information to suit your own beliefs. What the study's are actually saying is (they believe) the problems stem from the lack of a father present not, as you twisted it, because the only parent was a female. Do you see the difference?

Perhaps, however, I missed it and you could point out exactly the quotes which led you to make your statements.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by DavidJames
First of all, nowhere in the links can anyone with any reasonable analytical skills come away with the belief that 75% of all criminals come from female headed households.

Second, your own quotes fail support your conclusion. In each of these cases, you have clearly spun the information to suit your own beliefs. What the study's are actually saying is (they believe) the problems stem from the lack of a father present not, as you twisted it, because the only parent was a female. Do you see the difference?

Perhaps, however, I missed it and you could point out exactly the quotes which led you to make your statements.

"One study found that 75 percent of adolescent murderers came from single-parent homes." (from the link)

I just posted that above. You either didn't read it or suffer from reading comprehension problems, or just simple leftist denial of truth.

What is with all the denial lately? Radical feminism is under attack because of the destruction it is doing to the United States as a country. Don't blame me or deny it. It is truth, and as I say of truth:

You can't deny truth. It comes to you automatically. :D

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem
IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT CONFESSIONS.

Bad hair day? :D

So let me get this straight, the feminazi want all divorce cases to be won by women, especially with child care, so that the child will be raised by single parent (female) household, which results in 60% of them commiting crime, etc. Therefore, the feminazis are spreading crime through their facist agenda. Damn, I'm getting better than you JK.

Absolutely correct Gem. I am proud of you that you figured it out.

The feminazis want women to gain custody of all children in divorce cases because children are prizes where the winner takes all.

The ease of divorce causes women (who initiate 92% of all divorces) to divorce men for no-reason (no-fault). Then the women get custody of children (in 98% of all divorces) and men are forced out of children's lives completely not just by the mothers, but by the system.

Now, without a father in the household and women working, kids are raising themselves via their peers. This 'kids raising kids' situation pandemic to the United States is causing kids to kill themselves, their peers and strangers, plus commit all sorts of other crimes never before seen in civilization.

It is all connected to feminism (feminazism), and that is what this thread is about. This thread is me asking why 8th grade students are murdering people. The country is slowly waking up to the perversion of feminism.

JK

[Gem]

I see you're still avoiding the confession claims you made.
The clock is ticking.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem
I see you're still avoiding the confession claims you made.
The clock is ticking.

OK Gem, how did the police know all the details of the crime if they didn't confess?

JK

[Gem]

I don't know how they got that much detail. They said police sources and detectives.

Logicly it would be confession, but the article does not mention any confession, which you so fanaticly said they did confess.

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem
I don't know how they got that much detail. They said police sources and detectives.

Logicly it would be confession, but the article does not mention any confession, which you so fanaticly said they did confess.

Gem

Well they had to! That is the point. Because they are 'minors', that information won't be released just yet, I do not think.

But please, ask yourself how in the hell could the police give the media that much information about the crime if one or all of those monsters didn't spill their guts about it.

JK

[Gem]

But please, ask yourself how in the hell could the police give the media that much information about the crime if one or all of those monsters didn't spill their guts about it.

Peterson case (if he did it), which I bet are very well informed of.

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Peterson case (if he did it), which I bet are very well informed of.

Gem

huh?

JK

[Bjorn]

Jedi
The police provided that information based upon confessions by the suspects. Where else did they get it? OK, maybe the girl didn't confess how did the police know all the details of the crime if they didn't confess? Ah .... the old Jedi confusion, when facts do not fit, ignore them, or pretend you never messed up in the first place.

Did she or didn't she confess, and how do you back up your claim either way? :p

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Gem


Peterson case (if he did it), which I bet are very well informed of.

Gem The Peterson case is very different. He is a man, accused of killing a woman. Very different. :p

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Jedi
Ah .... the old Jedi confusion, when facts do not fit, ignore them, or pretend you never messed up in the first place.

Did she or didn't she confess, and how do you back up your claim either way? :p

Hi Bjorn, where did the police get the information--from Sylvia?

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Hi Bjorn, where did the police get the information--from Sylvia?

JK You're down to one-liners already - a sure sign you cannot back up your claims.

Did she or didn't she confess, and how do you know either way? :p

[Gem]

huh?

Let me enlighten you.

You said:
But please, ask yourself how in the hell could the police give the media that much information about the crime if one or all of those monsters didn't spill their guts about it.

In the Peterson case, you said the media leaked information, let people in Peterson's house, description of Laci's body etc. You think that the media has "lynched" Peterson. Let's not debate that in this thread.

In this story, please tell me, why isn't the media lynching this girl? It's going into accurate detail, etc, but there is no confession! So, it looks like the police can give information to the media, like in Peterson's case and this one, without a confession.

That's why I think your being hypocritical about this. If that article would have said, that one of them, any of them, confessed, then there would be no debate. There is NO proof in that article that they confessed.

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
You're down to one-liners already - a sure sign you cannot back up your claims.

Did she or didn't she confess, and how do you know either way? :p

I am down to one-liners because of the ease of annihilating the debate opposition. Say something tangible and sensible so I can type paragraphs. You know, a challenge for once. :p

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Let me enlighten you.

You said:


In the Peterson case, you said the media leaked information, let people in Peterson's house, description of Laci's body etc. You think that the media has "lynched" Peterson. Let's not debate that in this thread.

In this story, please tell me, why isn't the media lynching this girl? It's going into accurate detail, etc, but there is no confession! So, it looks like the police can give information to the media, like in Peterson's case and this one, without a confession.

That's why I think your being hypocritical about this. If that article would have said, that one of them, any of them, confessed, then there would be no debate. There is NO proof in that article that they confessed.

Gem

The media isn't lynching this girl because:

1) She isn't a man

2) Her and/or her accomplices confessed

3) She isn't a man (lol)

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I am down to one-liners because of the ease of annihilating the debate opposition. Say something tangible and sensible so I can type paragraphs. You know, a challenge for once. :p

JK Oh, I'm not debating really, I'm just trying to make you decide if you are saying the girl confessed or not.

At the moment you seem to be saying both.

I don't expect paragraphs, just a decision so I can see which post you lied in. :p

I predict you won't make the decision, in which case we will just know that it was one of them. ;)

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Oh, I'm not debating really, I'm just trying to make you decide if you are saying the girl confessed or not.

At the moment you seem to be saying both.

I don't expect paragraphs, just a decision so I can see which post you lied in. :p

I predict you won't make the decision, in which case we will just know that it was one of them. ;)

Based upon the level of information the police have in that case (unlike the Scott Peterson case where they do not), I would say that one or all of them confessed to the murder.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

http://images.ibsys.com/2003/0606/2252685_200X150.jpg

"I can't even have an open casket because of what they have done to my son. The casket has to be closed. No one can give him a proper goodbye."--quote by the mother of the boy pictured above, who was beaten so badly he has to have a closed casket wake/funeral.

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Based upon the level of information the police have in that case (unlike the Scott Peterson case where they do not), I would say that one or all of them confessed to the murder.

JK Oh, you would?

Great, but it doesn't bring us one step closer to finding out if they did.

'Jedi would say so' simply doesn't hold up in court or elsewhere. In other words, we don't know if anyone confessed. QED. :p

[Bjorn]

"I can't even have an open casket because of what they have done to my son. The casket has to be closed. No one can give him a proper goodbye."--quote by the mother of the boy pictured above, who was beaten so badly he has to have a closed casket wake/funeral. And what the Bidlack does this quote have to do with the question of someone confessing or not?

What kind of hatred do you think Ms Peterson's parents could be quoted on when it comes to the murder of their pregnant daughter? Does it make the husband more or less guilty?

The fact that an act was gruesome is not a confession .... :rolleyes:

[Jedi Knight]

It was all planned (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/6024339.htm) between the girl and three boys, part of a scheme hatched a week before to rob Sweeney of $500 in cash to buy drugs, Sgt. Kathleen McGowan (Philli Police) said.--end quote.

http://www.philly.com/images/philly/inquirer/6024/36289514744.jpg

The victim.

"I paid for that murderer to go on vacation with my son," the victim's mother said.

JK

[Bjorn]

Hehe.

Frantically posting links and evidence about everything but a confession. :p

Have a good knight! ;)

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Hehe.

Frantically posting links and evidence about everything but a confession. :p

Have a good knight! ;)

The police wouldn't give details of the crime like that if they didn't confess.

JK

[subgenius]

Seems like the main cause of single-parent (moms) families is men abandoning their families. But I guess they're forced out by the powerful wicked women.
Good thing there's one among us who can resist their power.

[Questioninggeller]

Originally posted by subgenius
Seems like the main cause of single-parent (moms) families is men abandoning their families. But I guess they're forced out by the powerful wicked women.
Good thing there's one among us who can resist their power.

[DavidJames]

Sigh - I posted a link to a reading comprehension book for you a while back, it seems you haven't comprehended it yet. To recap.

First you said:
"25% of all criminals come from intact families. A full 75% + come from single parent, female-run households."

Now you claim this quote supports that
"One study found that 75 percent of adolescent murderers came from single-parent homes." (from the link)

Do you see the difference "all criminals" versus "adolescent murders" - they are not the same, do you see that????? Did you also understand that "single-parent" homes does not imply "female-run households".

Reading comprehension DOES NOT come to you automatically, you have to learn it.

I will ignore your childish drivel again for a while, and let others point out your lies and ignorance.

[Gem]

You still haven't told us where they (or he/she) confessed.

It's easy.

Gem

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius
Seems like the main cause of single-parent (moms) families is men abandoning their families. But I guess they're forced out by the powerful wicked women.
Good thing there's one among us who can resist their power.

Men abandoning their families? That is feminist mythology.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by DavidJames
Sigh - I posted a link to a reading comprehension book for you a while back, it seems you haven't comprehended it yet. To recap.

First you said:
"25% of all criminals come from intact families. A full 75% + come from single parent, female-run households."

Now you claim this quote supports that
"One study found that 75 percent of adolescent murderers came from single-parent homes." (from the link)

Do you see the difference "all criminals" versus "adolescent murders" - they are not the same, do you see that????? Did you also understand that "single-parent" homes does not imply "female-run households".

Reading comprehension DOES NOT come to you automatically, you have to learn it.

I will ignore your childish drivel again for a while, and let others point out your lies and ignorance.

David, are you dense or what? WTF is wrong with you? I posted links to the websites that linked the studies that say:

75% of all murderers come from single-parent homes.

Since single parent homes are 98% female-run (the mother), I can safely say that something is going wrong. Only 2% of men in all divorce cases get custody of their children. That is how far gender-extremism has gone in the courts in America. Men have no rights and society is paying the price with all the crime from kids self-destructing while living with single moms.

JK

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Men abandoning their families? That is feminist mythology.

JK

I have personally witnessed a series of incidents which contests your assertion decisively, Jedi.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi
I have personally witnessed a series of incidents which contests your assertion decisively, Jedi.

There are many more women destroying families than men. Look at the divorce stats. Over 90% of all divorces are initiated by women with at least 88% at no-fault. That means for no reason. That does not mean the men did anything wrong. For one reason or another, any reason, the women decided to 'divorce'. Now who is abandoning who?

When it comes to 'abandonment', that is a logic fallacy to push that on men. Women are abandoning men and trying to label men as abandoning them. It is laughable.

There are systems in place nationally at the federal level which do not allow men and women to abandon their families. It is feminist mythology that men abandon their families and tired bumper-sticker propaganda.

The first step to fixing the problems in America is the elimination of no-fault divorce. The next step is allowing men in divorces 'shared-parenting', a real 50/50 relationship with their children. The next step after that is ending the matriarchal gender-extremist agenda men and stopping the lies ie..that men 'abandon families', 'abandon their kids' ect.

When that happens then the kids who are now out of control monsters can be reigned in and taught what it means to be a citizen, respecting of others, disciplined and contributors to society.

JK

[aggle_rithm]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


8th grade girls today arrange ambushes of 16 year old men for their paychecks from the boy's father to kill them and then go buy crack cocaine, ecstacy, heroin and crystal meth.
JK

If that were true, wouldn't there be a shortage of 16-year-old men? :confused:

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem
You still haven't told us where they (or he/she) confessed.

It's easy.

Gem

Judge calls slaying 'out of the Dark Ages' (http://www.sunspot.net/news/nationworld/bal-te.teenager20jun20,0,7507040.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines)

quote--According to police, a girl - whom his mother described as Sweeney's first girlfriend - lured him to a vacant gravel path by the Delaware River where three teen-age boys were waiting. They attacked Sweeney with a hammer and hatchet until his heart stopped, authorities said.

The four teen-agers - after a group hug - then robbed the victim, dividing up the $500 that Sweeney had earned at his construction job and went on a drug binge, police said.

"We took Sweeney's wallet and split up the money, and we partied beyond redemption," Dominic Coia, 18, told detectives, according to a transcript of his June 3 police interview.

Jedi was right yet again!

JK

[DragonLady]

Excuse me...coming through...watch out for the tail....


I just have a question. The article says:

Another investigator called the case "one of the most disturbing jobs I've ever seen. That kid is lying on a slab in a morgue still screaming in pain."

How can that be? How can he scream if he isn't breathing? How can he be 'in pain' if he's dead? If he's in pain & breathing, why is he in the morgue?

I'm not a doctor or medical person, but that statement doesn't make any sense to me, and I'd really like someone to explain it to me. The possibility they sent a living person to the morgue makes me just as sick as this crime does.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Judge calls slaying 'out of the Dark Ages' (http://www.sunspot.net/news/nationworld/bal-te.teenager20jun20,0,7507040.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines)

quote--According to police, a girl - whom his mother described as Sweeney's first girlfriend - lured him to a vacant gravel path by the Delaware River where three teen-age boys were waiting. They attacked Sweeney with a hammer and hatchet until his heart stopped, authorities said.

The four teen-agers - after a group hug - then robbed the victim, dividing up the $500 that Sweeney had earned at his construction job and went on a drug binge, police said.

"We took Sweeney's wallet and split up the money, and we partied beyond redemption," Dominic Coia, 18, told detectives, according to a transcript of his June 3 police interview.

Jedi was right yet again!

JK
Be careful Jedi, My old Grandmother used to say if you lie you get pimples on your tongue..... Lets do a review... Firstly you manufactured a "Fact", that the girl confessed to murder. You were called on this lie, one of a long long list of your recent lies. Now, in order to rescue your lie you quote someone other than the girl saying they took someones wallet? What the hell has this got to do with your manufactured murder confession of this girl???? Someone else confessing to taking a wallet is the same as the girl confessing to murder?? pathetic attempt at covering up a lie. Does GWB get advice from you about covering his WMD lies...Lol....pathetic.

Once again, let me stress...this girl may very well be guilty, she may very well confess in the future. Does this give you a licence to make a joke out of yourself by constant compulsive lying? Tell us again how Tony Blair announced the discovery of WMD in Iraq.....Lol...why do you do it, do you have no desire to have any credability on this forum??

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

Be careful Jedi, My old Grandmother used to say if you lie you get pimples on your tongue..... Lets do a review... Firstly you manufactured a "Fact", that the girl confessed to murder. You were called on this lie, one of a long long list of your recent lies. Now, in order to rescue your lie you quote someone other than the girl saying they took someones wallet? What the hell has this got to do with your manufactured murder confession of this girl???? Someone else confessing to taking a wallet is the same as the girl confessing to murder?? pathetic attempt at covering up a lie. Does GWB get advice from you about covering his WMD lies...Lol....pathetic.

Once again, let me stress...this girl may very well be guilty, she may very well confess in the future. Does this give you a licence to make a joke out of yourself by constant compulsive lying? Tell us again how Tony Blair announced the discovery of WMD in Iraq.....Lol...why do you do it, do you have no desire to have any credability on this forum??

The only thing I want to hear from you is: "Jedi, you were right!"

JK

[subgenius]

Not calling for the death of any of the boys involved. Paging Dr. Freud.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The only thing I want to hear from you is: "Jedi, you were right!"

JK
How can this ever happen? You said the girl confessed, when asked where you got this from you failed to support it....It was just another fabrication. You believe that if you simply think it is likely or should be true....you can claim it is a fact. Its called Lying. Like your statement that Tony Blair has announced WMD have been found in Iraq....Its a lie. Its an obvious and stupid lie, you know that it will be called. Why do you do it? Just to troll the forum?

[subgenius]

Originally posted by The Fool

How can this ever happen? You said the girl confessed, when asked where you got this from you failed to support it....It was just another fabrication. You believe that if you simply think it is likely or should be true....you can claim it is a fact. Its called Lying. Like your statement that Tony Blair has announced WMD have been found in Iraq....Its a lie. Its an obvious and stupid lie, you know that it will be called. Why do you do it? Just to troll the forum?
Because he found the only place that would tolerate his lies, despite his expressed contempt for everyone here, and despite promising to leave, and leaving two times now. (Yes we know millions of anonymous supporters begged him to come back.)

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The only thing I want to hear from you is: "Jedi, you were right!"

JK
Listen to him when he says this, it is the truth. That is the ONLY thing he wants to hear. That is the only thing he hears. Never been wrong about anything. Ever.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius

Listen to him when he says this, it is the truth. That is the ONLY thing he wants to hear. That is the only thing he hears. Never been wrong about anything. Ever.

I was right sub-man. You and fool are just whiners.

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I was right sub-man. You and fool are just whiners.

JK
I ask a serious question, why do you lie so much? Do you believe it is a legitimate debate technique?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

How can this ever happen? You said the girl confessed, when asked where you got this from you failed to support it....It was just another fabrication. You believe that if you simply think it is likely or should be true....you can claim it is a fact. Its called Lying. Like your statement that Tony Blair has announced WMD have been found in Iraq....Its a lie. Its an obvious and stupid lie, you know that it will be called. Why do you do it? Just to troll the forum?

They confessed. You didn't read the article. :rolleyes:

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool
I ask a serious question, why do you lie so much? Do you believe it is a legitimate debate technique?

lol, coming from a troll who never contributes anything to forum himself.

Sure Fool, like you are credible to even think about the threads I make, let alone judge them. :rolleyes:

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius

Because he found the only place that would tolerate his lies, despite his expressed contempt for everyone here, and despite promising to leave, and leaving two times now. (Yes we know millions of anonymous supporters begged him to come back.)

You are the only one that has contempt for me on the forum sub-man. To think too, you are too cheap to donate to it like I did. :rolleyes:

You're a slug.

JK

[The Fool]

Lol..... what a farce. Please quote me the part of the article you sited at the start of this thread that says anybody confessed to anything. Whenever you are caught red handed your response is always the same....Bluster, fog, mirrors, attempts to change the topic....anything but honesty. Give it up JK, you are not even a clever liar.

Why do you do it? Do you believe that Donating money gives you a license to lie?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool
Lol..... what a farce. Please quote me the part of the article you sited at the start of this thread that says anybody confessed to anything. Whenever you are caught red handed your response is always the same....Bluster, fog, mirrors, attempts to change the topic....anything but honesty. Give it up JK, you are not even a clever liar.

Why do you do it? Do you believe that Donating money gives you a license to lie?

You are trolling in the worst way and you are intellectually dishonest too but that is in your nature. You must like coming into my threads and getting bounced around like a wiffle ball.

All four of them are in jail. They confessed. Read the article and then come back and tell me: "Jedi, you are my hero."

JK

[Jedi Knight]

I was right. All of you collectively just need to admit it. Break from your leftist denial and simply admit it. Jedi was right.

Because I am always right. Because I am.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

http://www.philly.com/images/philly/dailynews/6029/36351571137.jpg

"She [Morley] said she was happy (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/6111092.htm) she had a lot of money... she said it was a rush," Staab testified.

JK

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


You are the only one that has contempt for me on the forum sub-man. To think too, you are too cheap to donate to it like I did. :rolleyes:

You're a slug.

JK
As I've told you before it is your actions that I have contempt for not you as a person. The fact that you only call for the death of the female is very telling.
As far as your second statement you would have to walk a mile in my moccosins.
Did you donate just to get special status here, and to use it against people?

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by subgenius

As I've told you before it is your actions that I have contempt for not you as a person. The fact that you only call for the death of the female is very telling.
As far as your second statement you would have to walk a mile in my moccosins.
Did you donate just to get special status here, and to use it against people?

I haven't donated either. I plan on it, but that's when I've gotten current on my bills, and can see my way clear to drop a few bills on The Amazing One to keep this site open. It's necessary, far more than people realize.

I don't think there's any value in demanding the death of one, when all of them were involved, PROVIDED they are all tried fairly, honestly, truthfully, and convicted, and it can be proven that this is the only punishment that is appropriate for the crime. However, if I recall, this crime took place in England. No death penalty.

Sorry, JK, your misogyny is showing. That eliminates you as a hero.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius

As I've told you before it is your actions that I have contempt for not you as a person. The fact that you only call for the death of the female is very telling.
As far as your second statement you would have to walk a mile in my moccosins.
Did you donate just to get special status here, and to use it against people?

I am not calling for her 'death', sub-man. I am calling for her execution by the state.

So there is your answer, king-troll of the century.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
However, if I recall, this crime took place in England. No death penalty.

The crime occured in America, moron.

JK

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I am not calling for her 'death', sub-man. I am calling for her execution by the state.

So there is your answer, king-troll of the century.

JK
I apologize. I was under the impression that after one was executed they were dead. Thank you for pointing out that distinction without a difference.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius

I apologize. I was under the impression that after one was executed they were dead. Thank you for pointing out that distinction without a difference.

You just don't get it. That is your problem, sub-man, you aren't smart enough to understand the things I talk about. They are light-years above your intellect.

The sovereign can be called upon to execute individuals for heinous crimes where the sovereign has the death penalty statute enacted. Citizens are encouraged to support that law on behalf of the victims of heinous crimes.

JK

[kerfer]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


American public schools and single parent households (female) are producing these monsters.


Maybe it's just me, but I doubt that this child attends public school. Nice try.

And Justina Morley, an attractive, 15-year-old student at Holy Name of Jesus School whom Jason liked, was the bait.




There are no easy solutions to either. Hard decisions, actually.


Yup.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


You just don't get it. That is your problem, sub-man, you aren't smart enough to understand the things I talk about. They are light-years above your intellect.

The sovereign can be called upon to execute individuals for heinous crimes where the sovereign has the death penalty statute enacted. Citizens are encouraged to support that law on behalf of the victims of heinous crimes.

JK
You're right. My head hurts just trying to understand the things you talk about.
That's why I'm just a sub-genius. ("Act like a dumbsh*t and they will treat you as an equal.")
We all tremble in the presence of your superior intellect.
You are correct because you're smarter than us.
It should be called "the execution penalty" because apparently it doesn't cause death.
But it should only be applied to the girl in this case.
When is the world going to recognize and reward your amazing super-powers?

[Roadtoad]

(1.) JK, it's been a few days since I originally read the story. I forgot where it took place. This does not make me a Moron, it makes me forgetful. (Ah, yes, I remember now why you're on "ignore...")

(2.) Verbal abuse of ANYONE on a board tells me there's little reason to read the abuser.

(3.) You're still misogynistic. Hasta la vista...

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius
But it should only be applied to the girl in this case.


If you say so. I think all the conspirators should get the death penalty but you are free to hold your opinion that only the girl should get it.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
(1.) JK, it's been a few days since I originally read the story. I forgot where it took place. This does not make me a Moron, it makes me forgetful. (Ah, yes, I remember now why you're on "ignore...")

(2.) Verbal abuse of ANYONE on a board tells me there's little reason to read the abuser.

(3.) You're still misogynistic. Hasta la vista...

You didn't even read the article or know the details of the crime they committed so why are you bothering to post about it?

The rest of the garbage you spewed is just leftist ad-hom.

JK

[Roadtoad]

Registered Republican, since 1978. Family tradition, since my earliest ancestors tended to be Federalists, Whigs, and members of the GOP since its founding. (Turning Libertarian this year, since the GOP seems to have forgotten what it claimed to stand for.) Have opposed the left since before then, even before I could vote.

Sorry, Sub and Fool are right. And yes, I read the article, I simply have had other things to do. (I started a new job this week, and I'm trying to help out some family friends.) I have a life beyond this board, I'm happy to say.

So, let's go through this one more time:

(1.) I've read it, but I've forgotten most of it. Other things going on, JK. Maybe if you had a life of your own, you would understand this.

(2.) There was a time when I might have stood up for you. Not now, not when you're the one making the ad hominem attacks against Fool, Kook, Sub, and so many others. They pointed out errors you made, and you attacked them. Sorry, that does not fly. It's rude, and pointless. If you're shown to have made a mistake, the wise thing to do is simply admit you made a mistake, and move on. Otherwise, you look like an idiot, which, given what Zilla said about you, seems out of character.

Had you chosen to not be rude, I might have asked why you were behaving in a manner which was out of character. Since you are rude, however, it seems pointless.

(3.) You're still a misogynist. Enjoy your bachelorhood. Hasta la vista.

[kerfer]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


If you say so. I think all the conspirators should get the death penalty but you are free to hold your opinion that only the girl should get it.

JK

Hmm...technically, I suspect that she is only an accessory to murder, while the other little darling children committed pre-meditated murder.

I agree that the little monsters that bashed in this kids head should all be executed (I'm assuming that they'll be convicted). They're 16 and 17, fercryinoutloud.

But did she actually commit a capital crime?

And no, nothing in this post is to indicate that I am defending her in any way.

[DialecticMaterialist]

Well I likewise believe in the death penalty and that the lady should die by firing squad.

But to me JK seems to be turning this issue into something it isn't. An issue iver murder and the death penalty maybe, an issue over all of Western culture, no.

I mean using this issue to condemn secular schools, divorce, single-family homes etc. is just ridiculous. I mean the girl herself came from a religious school, so even given that we made the issue as broad as JK wants, he'd still be wrong.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
Registered Republican, since 1978. Family tradition, since my earliest ancestors tended to be Federalists, Whigs, and members of the GOP since its founding. (Turning Libertarian this year, since the GOP seems to have forgotten what it claimed to stand for.) Have opposed the left since before then, even before I could vote.

Sorry, Sub and Fool are right. And yes, I read the article, I simply have had other things to do. (I started a new job this week, and I'm trying to help out some family friends.) I have a life beyond this board, I'm happy to say.

So, let's go through this one more time:

(1.) I've read it, but I've forgotten most of it. Other things going on, JK. Maybe if you had a life of your own, you would understand this.

(2.) There was a time when I might have stood up for you. Not now, not when you're the one making the ad hominem attacks against Fool, Kook, Sub, and so many others. They pointed out errors you made, and you attacked them. Sorry, that does not fly. It's rude, and pointless. If you're shown to have made a mistake, the wise thing to do is simply admit you made a mistake, and move on. Otherwise, you look like an idiot, which, given what Zilla said about you, seems out of character.

Had you chosen to not be rude, I might have asked why you were behaving in a manner which was out of character. Since you are rude, however, it seems pointless.

(3.) You're still a misogynist. Enjoy your bachelorhood. Hasta la vista.

You are just trolling the thread, You haven't contributed jack to it. You laughably said: "the crime was in England...I think", while at the same trying trying to say I was wrong. You are a moron.

Hasta la vista yourself, loser.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by kerfer


Hmm...technically, I suspect that she is only an accessory to murder, while the other little darling children committed pre-meditated murder.

I agree that the little monsters that bashed in this kids head should all be executed (I'm assuming that they'll be convicted). They're 16 and 17, fercryinoutloud.

But did she actually commit a capital crime?

And no, nothing in this post is to indicate that I am defending her in any way.

Two of the witnesses said she specifically planned it. That is capital murder.

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The rest of the garbage you spewed is just leftist ad-hom.

JK

Ah, yes. The old "leftist ad-hom" line. You always drag that one out when you have run out of Ideas on how to avoid admitting you are a compulsive liar....

Ok, I'm done...you can go back to dancing for our amusement.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool


Ah, yes. The old "leftist ad-hom" line. You always drag that one out when you have run out of Ideas on how to avoid admitting you are a compulsive liar....

Ok, I'm done...you can go back to dancing for our amusement.

What, is the troll-asylum letting its inhabitants out for the weekend or what? If you have nothing to contribute to the topic, go away.

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


What, is the troll-asylum letting its inhabitants out for the weekend or what? If you have nothing to contribute to the topic, go away.

JK
How is trying to keep you honest not contributing? I feel pointing out each of your lies is a valuable contribution to your threads. You average 2 or 3 lies per thread so its nearly a full time job pointing them out.....

Here's a suggestion to save you some time...Its a Jedi Thread template.



<insert link to redneck news site>
Blame commies
<insert additional fabricated facts and lies>
Whine when people point out obvious lies.
Claim I am a Genius.
Repeat earlier fabrications and lies.



You obviously enjoy the roll of the Jester Don't let me hold you up.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

How is trying to keep you honest not contributing? I feel pointing out each of your lies is a valuable contribution to your threads. You average 2 or 3 lies per thread so its nearly a full time job pointing them out.....

Here's a suggestion to save you some time...Its a Jedi Thread template.



<insert link to redneck news site>
Blame commies
<insert additional fabricated facts and lies>
Whine when people point out obvious lies.
Claim I am a Genius.
Repeat earlier fabrications and lies.



You obviously enjoy the roll of the Jester Don't let me hold you up.

Having a bad hair day? Here you are:

http://familydoctor.org/healthfacts/036/cover.jpg

That is a nice pic of ya. lol.

JK

[The Fool]

Please don't let me pointing out your lies discourage you. Carry on lying as much as you feel you need to. I really should moderate my behaviour, pushing your buttons is just so damn easy it is hard to stop myself.

ok, back to your conspiracy theories, promise I will let you lie as much as you need to from now on.

[Roadtoad]

So there's no further confusion, here's the article...

THEY CROUCHED in the woods with a brick, a hammer and a hatchet.

Waiting for their friend.

It was Friday evening. Jason Sweeney, 16, had just cashed his paycheck from the construction job he worked with his father.

And Justina Morley, an attractive, 15-year-old student at Holy Name of Jesus School whom Jason liked, was the bait.

[Note: Supposedly, this kid had some moral grounding.]

Her job, according to police sources, was to promise Sweeney sex - and lead him into a death trap.

It was a plan, detectives said, that Morley had hatched the week before with Sweeney's other Fishtown pals: Nicholas Coia, 16, his brother Dominic, 17, and Edward Batzig Jr., 16, Sweeney's best friend since the fourth grade.

Sources said the boys prepared for the ambush at another home by listening to the Beatles song made famous by killer Charles Manson, "Helter Skelter."

[Note: Now, we'll see the Judas Priest type accusations: listening to this song caused the problems...]

Morley, meanwhile, met Sweeney and started walking him to "the trails" - an overgrown and desolate industrial wasteland off Beach Street - a popular spot for local teens to hang out and party.

For some unknown reason, sources said the couple failed to rendezvous with the killers, prompting an angry call from the boys to Morley's cell phone.

Morley, according to law enforcement sources, shot right back at her co-conspirators.

"What did you do, bitch out?" she allegedly asked.

The parties agreed to return to the trails. This time, police said, Morley delivered her suitor to the slaughter.

They walked down a black gravel road toward a junction of trees. Morley began to undress. Then Sweeney took off his shoes. That's as far as he got.

A blow came from a small-handled hatchet. It struck Sweeney on the head and knocked him to the ground.

Sources said it was followed by blows from a hammer and more blows from the hatchet as he tried to get up.

Another assailant used a brick. Later, one of the boys used what one detective described as a "boulder" type of rock to crush Sweeney's head.

Nearly all of the blows struck Sweeney on the head and face, according to a source familiar with the injuries.

As the grisly slaying unfolded, Morley stood off to the side and did not take part, according to sources.

[Note: If this part is true, then she's an accessory. Sorry, JK...]

When it was over, though, she allegedly shared in the blood money - $500 - divided four ways.

A total of $125 apiece, for murder.

"The motive was robbery," said Sgt. Kathleen McGowan of the homicide division. "They planned to rob him and use the money to get high."

Sweeney's head and face were so badly beaten that his body was nearly unidentifiable.

"He's going to have a closed casket for what they did to my son," the boy's distraught father, Paul Sweeney, said yesterday.

Even veteran homicide investigators, who deal with death on a daily basis, said they've rarely encountered a slaying of such callousness and brutality.

"It's as bad as you could ever imagine," said one detective.

The detective said the alleged perpetrators, the three who were arrested and charged with murder on Tuesday, appeared to express little remorse during their interrogation at police headquarters, asking indifferently, "When are we going home?"

Another investigator called the case "one of the most disturbing jobs I've ever seen. That kid is lying on a slab in a morgue still screaming in pain."

[Note: Hyperbolae. Sells papers.]

By last night, Jason Sweeney's body was in a closed casket at the McElvarr Funeral home on Susquehanna near Belgrade, a block from the house where he lived.

Pain was now etched on the faces of scores of anguished friends and family members who lined up to pay respects.

At the scene of the crime, a makeshift memorial sprang up in the wasteland featuring an American flag on a cross, a teddy bear, and a poem titled "Beautiful Dreamer."

Sweeney's funeral will be held this morning in Fishtown. But the investigation into his murder is far from over.

On the surface, police officials are saying Sweeney was a victim of murder for money, perhaps to fuel drug habits of some of his friends. At it's core, perhaps, are more complex breakdowns of friendship that opened a path to violence, contributing to what two investigators say may also have the elements of a "thrill" killing.

"If they just wanted to rob him, they could have gotten the money after the first blow," said another investigator, who is not completely satisfied with robbery as a full explanation for the crime.

"It appeared as though some anger was involved," acknowledged McGowan.

The teens all lived blocks from each other in the cramped section of Fishtown, a crosshatch of narrow streets lined with rowhouses where most families have lived for years.

Jason Sweeney and Ed Batzig Jr. had been friends for a long time. Both boys had even vacationed with each other's families.

"I just can't believe that my son would be party to this," Batzig's mother, Jeanette, told WCAU-TV (Channel 10) outside her Hewson Street home yesterday morning. "He knew Jason so well."

But recently Batzig became friends with the Coia brothers.

Many in the neighborhood said Dominic and Nicholas Coia, who had moved into the area only a couple of years ago, were known as bad news.

According to Keith Hunter, 29, "They robbed cars, broke windows."

Batzig had only started hanging out with the Coia brothers a couple of months ago, some friends said. They were all pretty quiet. Most of the time they just sat around on the stoop in front of the Coias' house on Columbia Avenue near Memphis Street.

Sweeney, on the other hand, had dropped out of high school, but began working for his father, who owns a small construction company.

"He was working, the other kids were not," said one law enforcement source familiar with the case. "They hung out during the day. They wanted to be in a band. They spent their nights partying and getting high."

[Note: One kid had direction, the others didn't. No word from the Coias' family. I'm wondering why...]

By contrast, friends of Morley - a pretty, dark-haired girl who liked punk music - said they were shocked to hear of her alleged involvement in the crime.

Sources said detectives were investigating whether Morley had been romantically involved with one or more of her alleged co-conspirators.

Before her arrest Wednesday on murder charges, she had been scheduled to graduate the eighth grade at Holy Name of Jesus School. Yesterday, the school officially expelled her.

Her graduation date was next Wednesday. Now it is the date of her preliminary hearing in the murder of Jason Sweeney, along with Nicholas and Dominic Coia, and Ed Batzig Jr.

"He'll get what he deserves," Batzig's father said the other day.

Morley's lawyer, William J. Brennan, said his client "seemed like a good kid, a nice kid, who comes from a good family."

He said he has yet to see any documents offered by the commonwealth to demonstrate that Morley "played any role in this - as a lure or as a part" of the alleged planning of Sweeney's murder.

"At this point I haven't seen or been told or heard anything to substantiate that my client was in any way involved in this terrible crime," he said.

Prosecutors and police are expected to present their evidence, including statements taken from two of the alleged killers at the preliminary hearing.

Jason Sweeney gets buried today. His circle of friends is in jail, charged with killing him.

"You have four families ruined," said one investigator.

[Note: we're reading ALLEGATIONS. There is no evidence presented here. This is a news story. There is no word here that anyone confessed. That is an inference. They may have confessed, or maybe someone else has claimed they bragged about this, or any number of things. We know nothing.]

[E.J.Armstrong]

Are newspapers now the definitive word on guilt or innocence or are we all still innocent until proven guilty? If you try people on the say so of newspares whose whole raison d'etre is to sensaionalise and then murder people through a judicial process how do you bring them back to life when you subsequently discover they were innocent? Answer - you can't. You can't even compensate them.

How's about those who cannot even comprehend what is about to happen to them? See http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/deathpenalty/

Since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976, at least thirty-five people with mental retardation have been executed in the United States. The exact number of people with this disability who are on death row awaiting execution is not known; experts believe there may be two or three hundred. Because of their mental retardation, these men and women cannot understand fully what they did wrong and many cannot even comprehend the punishment that awaits them. While they have the bodies of adults, in crucial ways their mental function is more like that of children. Twenty-five states, nevertheless, permit capital punishment for offenders with mental retardation.

Or what about murdering juveniles? See Gary Graham was executed in Texas on June 22. Graham's case turned into a major media event. It was an obvious test of George W. Bush's declaration earlier this year that none of the more than 135 prisoners whose executions he has approved was innocent. Graham, who on death row was known as Shaka Sankofa, was convicted solely on the testimony of just one eyewitness whose identification of Graham was manipulated by police. Observers said that no other execution under modern law has taken place with such weak evidence. Alibi witnesses for Graham were never heard in court. His attorney, Ronald Mock, was renowned for incompetence. He assumed Graham's guilt, failed to interview witnesses, mounted almost no defense, and after several state-bar disciplinary proceedings, no longer defends capital cases. No physical evidence linked Graham to the shooting, and the gun he was arrested with was ruled out as the murder weapon. Graham, a robber and rapist, was 17 at the time of the crime, and thus the execution also violates international law banning execution of juveniles. Of the half-dozen countries to have executed juveniles in the past decade, two--Pakistan and Yemen--have now banned the practice, while the US has killed the majority. As usual, the state pardons board, whose independence of the governor is purely theoretical, ruled against the condemned. . . .
Florida Governor Jeb Bush, George W.'s brother, refused to halt the execution of Thomas Provensano on June 21. . . . Provenzano was so completely insane that he believed he was to be executed because he was Jesus. Last December, a state judge ruled that Provenzano met Florida's dismal standard of execution competence. Under any other standard, Provenzano could not have been put to death.

--from Washington Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty, Summer Newsletter 2000, <www.scn.org/activism/wcadp>
. No humane society should kill innocent people or the mentally retarded like this.

For the sake of justice I hope the veracity of Jedi Knight has never been tested in a murder trial (or any other legal process) as it is clear he suffers from congenital mendacity.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
[Note: we're reading ALLEGATIONS. There is no evidence presented here. This is a news story. There is no word here that anyone confessed. That is an inference. They may have confessed, or maybe someone else has claimed they bragged about this, or any number of things. We know nothing.]

So there's no further confusion on your part, read the follow-up articles I linked. The story you cut and pasted is the first article when the story first broke.

Read the articles after that one which state that the monsters confessed to the crime.

You're still behind the 8-ball--or you were deliberately being underhanded by posting the first article and then claiming it is all the media knew about the case. :rolleyes:

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong
Are newspapers now the definitive word on guilt or innocence or are we all still innocent until proven guilty? If you try people on the say so of newspares whose whole raison d'etre is to sensaionalise and then murder people through a judicial process how do you bring them back to life when you subsequently discover they were innocent? Answer - you can't. You can't even compensate them.

How's about those who cannot even comprehend what is about to happen to them? See http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/deathpenalty/



Or what about murdering juveniles? See No humane society should kill innocent people or the mentally retarded like this.

For the sake of justice I hope the veracity of Jedi Knight has never been tested in a murder trial (or any other legal process) as it is clear he suffers from congenital mendacity.

It is the job of media to report heinous crimes. If the criminals involved in the heinous crimes get caught and confess, the media will report it.

That is what happened here. Four monsters killed a 16 year old boy for his paycheck because they were drug-induced maniacs and dangerous predators and the media reported it.

They also confessed to the crime.

Now people reading the newspaper can support their execution via the state, or cower as other people do and have sympathy for the criminal predators and try to make up excuses for their actions: "Gosh, she is mentally retarded so we shouldn't execute her. She is so cute and harmless. So what if she planned the murder and took the victim to the ambush point, a capital offense. She shouldn't be executed."

That is basically what you are saying EJ. It is a good things cowards like you aren't involved in the dispensing of justice here in America. But then you suffer from a congenital intellect deficiency so why bother debating it with you.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool
Please don't let me pointing out your lies discourage you. Carry on lying as much as you feel you need to. I really should moderate my behaviour, pushing your buttons is just so damn easy it is hard to stop myself.

ok, back to your conspiracy theories, promise I will let you lie as much as you need to from now on.

Sure Fool. What this all really means is I will continue to be your target for abusive acusations because of your personal hatred of life.

JK

[Roadtoad]

Here's another of JK's links...

He was happy, his mother remembered. Sixteen-year-old Jason Sweeney couldn't wait to introduce his mother to his girlfriend of two weeks - his first - 15-year-old Justina Morley.

"He thought she was a nice girl," Dawn Sweeney said. "He wanted me to meet her."

But Morley, according to police, had something else in mind.

Sometime late Friday or early Saturday, police said, she lured Sweeney with the promise of sex to a field behind some industrial buildings near his house in Fishtown.

As she undressed, three teenage boys sneaked behind Sweeney and struck him in the head with a hatchet, a hammer and a brick, police said. The blows would kill him.

It was all planned between the girl and three boys, part of a scheme hatched a week before to rob Sweeney of $500 in cash to buy drugs, Sgt. Kathleen McGowan said.

Morley and the three boys - Edward Batzig Jr., 16; Nicholas Coia, 16; and his brother Dominic Coia, 17, are facing charges as adults of murder and related offenses.

"She lured him to his death," said Dawn Sweeney, 38.

The case has shocked Fishtown, a mostly blue-collar rowhouse neighborhood south of Kensington along the Delaware River that has been favored in the last two years by trendy urbanites looking for real estate bargains beyond Northern Liberties.

The four defendants and the victim lived within blocks of one another. One of the boys in custody, Batzig, was once Sweeney's best friend.

"These kids all grew up together," Dawn Sweeney said. "They literally grew up with him."

Yesterday morning, awash in grief and anger, she sat on the front step of her gray stucco rowhouse in the 1500 block of East Susquehanna Avenue, smoking Marlboro Lights and recalling a trip to Florida that Batzig took with her son and other family members.

"I paid for that murderer to go on vacation with my son," she said.

She said her son "was the sweetest person you'd ever want to meet. When he was in third grade, his jacket disappeared. I said, 'Jason, where's your jacket?' He said a little boy was cold, so he gave him his jacket."

That's the way he was, his mother said, "and he stayed that way."

He sang in a band, though "he couldn't sing," she said, smiling through her tears.

He started working for his father, Paul, 42, in construction about six months ago. A month ago, she said, Jason Sweeney decided he wanted to sign up for the Navy when he turned 17. He had long wanted to become a Navy SEAL.

Nearby, at the Batzig house in the 1600 block of East Hewson Street, Jeanette Batzig, 46, sat at her kitchen table under a framed portrait of her son and cried in disbelief.

"How could anybody do it?" she asked. "How could my son do it?"

Her son has confessed to police and his parents.

Batzig said Sweeney was "the most decent kid that Eddie knew."

"The Sweeney family don't know how horrible I feel," she said. "[Jason] slept here. He ate here."

She said her son was a "straight-A honor student" but started having problems when he befriended the Coia brothers in the last year or two.

"I didn't like either one of them," she said. "I didn't want him hanging around them."

That sentiment was more than shared by Sweeney's mother, who called the brothers "evil."

Batzig's mother said her son and Nicholas Coia were arrested this year for breaking into a car. After that, Sweeney was not allowed to spend time with Batzig, both mothers said.

No one came to the door yesterday at the Coia house in the 1400 block of East Columbia Avenue. No one came to the door or answered the phone at the Morley house in the 1300 block of East Palmer Street.

Now that she has heard accounts of what happened over the weekend, Batzig's mother said, she is stunned by something Morley did on Saturday.

Jeanette Batzig said she was worried about the whereabouts of her son, who had not come home Friday night. Morley, she said, offered to help look for him and the other boys.

"She drove in my car with me to look for Eddie," she said.

She believes Morley knew all along where the boys were, but she cannot explain the charade.

Batzig's mother said her son told her that Morley had a relationship with all the boys and was not Sweeney's "girlfriend."

Sweeney's mother said she did not know what to think. All she could do yesterday was prepare for her son's viewing, held last night. "It has to be a closed casket because of what they did to him," she said.

Soon, she finished talking.

"This interview is over," she said. "I have to say 'bye to my son."

No word of a confession here, however...

[Roadtoad]

This is from an AP story.

PHILADELPHIA - Jason Sweeney had money in his pocket and plans to see his teen-age sweetheart when he headed out the door on the last Friday in May.
For a 16-year-old from a blue-collar section of Philadelphia, the end of the work week couldn't have seemed much brighter. But he never made it back home that night.

According to police, a girl - whom his mother described as Sweeney's first girlfriend - lured him to a vacant gravel path by the Delaware River where three teen-age boys were waiting. They attacked Sweeney with a hammer and hatchet until his heart stopped, authorities said.

The four teen-agers - after a group hug - then robbed the victim, dividing up the $500 that Sweeney had earned at his construction job and went on a drug binge, police said.

"We took Sweeney's wallet and split up the money, and we partied beyond redemption," Dominic Coia, 18, told detectives, according to a transcript of his June 3 police interview.

Coia, his younger brother, Nicholas, 16, and Sweeney's friend, Edward "Eddie" Batzig Jr., 16, are charged with first-degree murder and could face the death penalty if convicted. The girl, Justina Morley, 15, is also charged with murder but is too young to be executed.

The brutal nature of the crime stunned even the veteran city judge assigned to Tuesday's preliminary hearing.

"This is something out of the Dark Ages," Judge Seamus P. McCaffery said in upholding the murder charges against the four. "I'm not so sure we can call ourselves a civilized society when stuff like this happens."

In the hours before the slaying, the defendants met nearby in Batzig's basement.

"We must have listened to 'Helter Skelter' about 42 times," Dominic Coia told police, referring to the Beatles song that also fascinated serial killer Charles Manson.

Sweeney's mother, Dawn, works as a bank teller while her husband, Paul, who grew up in Fishtown, runs a small construction company. Their son had been working there after dropping out of 10th grade, with plans to join the Navy when he turned 17 next month.

"Jason came from a home that none of them had," Dawn Sweeney said Wednesday about her son's alleged assailants. "We love our kids and our kids love us. We enjoy spending time together."

All four defendants are charged as adults, but defense attorney William Brennan hopes to have Morley's case moved to juvenile court. She has a history of depression and had been on medication for about a year, Brennan said.

In his police statement, Batzig said he struck his friend in the head with the hatchet four or five times, as hard as he could. Philadelphia Medical Examiner Ian Hood testified that the attackers broke all but one of the bones in Sweeney's face.



So, yes, JK was right in saying the kids had confessed. HOWEVER, there's still questions about all this, including under what conditions they confessed, and can you trust Dominic Coia's testimony? Right now, from what I've seen, the papers are saying he's the only one confessing, and frankly, if I had to guess based on what we've seen from police in the past, this kid may be saying any damned thing just to save his own ass. He might have acted alone at this point, for all we know.

As to the rest of it, we'll see. But, sorry JK, I don't think you can lay this one out as being the result solely of kids in single parent households.

[Roadtoad]

Here's another story cited by JK:

"We just kept hitting and hitting him," 18-year-old Dominic Coia told detectives. "We took Sweeney's wallet and split up the money, and we partied beyond redemption."

Coia and 16-year-old Edward Batzig Jr. told investigators that Sweeney was beaten with a hammer, a hatchet and a rock. The four then divided the $500 take among them - $125 apiece - and purchased marijuana, heroin and the depressant Xanax.

Both confessions were videotaped, detectives testified yesterday. However, those tapes were not played in court.

More from the same story:

Eighteen-year-old friend Joshua Staab - who testified that he listened to much of their planning and later washed the boys' bloody clothes - said Morley was to seduce Sweeney and lead him to the vacant lot where the others attacked him.

"They were going to take him up there and kill him," Staab testified.

At first, the Coias and Batzig were not able to find Morley and returned to Staab's house to call her cellular phone. Then, the three left a second time.

When the four returned, the boys had bloody clothing.

"They're all shaking. They said they did it and they couldn't believe that they killed him," Staab testified.

"She [Morley] said she was happy she had a lot of money... she said it was a rush," Staab testified.


Still no sign of Morley's confession.

We have two confessions, from one of the Coia's and Batzig. We don't know how they were gained, we don't know if they'll hold up in court. We don't know if a plea bargain has been agreed to. We don't know what role this Staab kid played in this, or even if he can be trusted. At this point, we know next to nothing.

So, here's where we are: JK has made several assertions. One has been show to be correct, that there were two confessions. We have no evidence of anyone else confessing, and we've no information on the physical evidence, save the tiny bit reported in the paper. Sorry, JK. But the Fool and Subgenius remain solid, and you're still losing credibility. Plus, you choose to be an offensive troll while you're at it.

What's astonishing is that you have in the past shown yourself to be incredibly compassionate. Yes, you have a great deal of intelligence, and yes, you are capable of kindness. There has, at no point, ever been any need for you to name call, or insult others. But you chose to, anyway. And as the son of career soldier, and the father of another, I think that's sad.

(Edited to add: Hey, I finally had time to sit down and really read through EVERTHING on this thread... That's what happens when you have a REAL LIFE.)

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
Still no sign of Morley's confession.

We have two confessions, from one of the Coia's and Batzig. We don't know how they were gained, we don't know if they'll hold up in court. We don't know if a plea bargain has been agreed to. We don't know what role this Staab kid played in this, or even if he can be trusted. At this point, we know next to nothing.

So, here's where we are: JK has made several assertions. One has been show to be correct, that there were two confessions. We have no evidence of anyone else confessing, and we've no information on the physical evidence, save the tiny bit reported in the paper. Sorry, JK. But the Fool and Subgenius remain solid, and you're still losing credibility. Plus, you choose to be an offensive troll while you're at it.

What's astonishing is that you have in the past shown yourself to be incredibly compassionate. Yes, you have a great deal of intelligence, and yes, you are capable of kindness. There has, at no point, ever been any need for you to name call, or insult others. But you chose to, anyway. And as the son of career soldier, and the father of another, I think that's sad.

Well toad, the thread will be around when she gets convicted. Your personal inadequacy (feeling you have a responsibility to come defend others in the thread that are avoiding the case facts) doesn't add leverage to anything you say. Nothing.

When she is convicted and her and the other monsters are sent to prison for life and/or executed for their crimes, I will be here celebrating justice.

You and others seem to have a problem with victims getting justice. They confessed. Now it is time for them to be tried, convicted and executed for their capital muder offenses. Especially the monster who organized the murder according to eye-witness testimony.

As for your dad and sons serving in the military--good for them. Hopefully they are better men than you are, intellectually honest men.

JK

[Roadtoad]

They are better men than I am, JK. For different reasons, but yes, better men.

And frankly, I have little problem with there being justice. Believe me, having been on the other end of this, (and if you knew a damned thing about me, you'd know this), I have been willing to face justice, and face it head on. Yes, if the evidence is there, and these kids are convicted, INCLUDING YOUNG MR. STAAB, then I would say, yes, let them face the penalties they've earned.

You refuse to acknowledge your own hatred, you refuse to acknowledge your own misogyny. You've been caught in fabrication of facts, and you've been nailed time and again in any number of falsehoods. You read into things whatever you choose, and ignore what's really before your eyes. When I make a mistake, I admit to having made one. When you make one, you deny, deny, deny.

When I got nailed, I was thrown out of the military with a General Discharge. No jail time, which, quite frankly, I'm grateful for. I admitted my mistakes, and took the penalty like a man. When you get nailed on a mistake over a news story, you whine like a little kid. So who's the better man, JK?

I expected better from you.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
They are better men than I am, JK. For different reasons, but yes, better men.

And frankly, I have little problem with there being justice. Believe me, having been on the other end of this, (and if you knew a damned thing about me, you'd know this), I have been willing to face justice, and face it head on. Yes, if the evidence is there, and these kids are convicted, INCLUDING YOUNG MR. STAAB, then I would say, yes, let them face the penalties they've earned.

You refuse to acknowledge your own hatred, you refuse to acknowledge your own misogyny. You've been caught in fabrication of facts, and you've been nailed time and again in any number of falsehoods. You read into things whatever you choose, and ignore what's really before your eyes. When I make a mistake, I admit to having made one. When you make one, you deny, deny, deny.

When I got nailed, I was thrown out of the military with a General Discharge. No jail time, which, quite frankly, I'm grateful for. I admitted my mistakes, and took the penalty like a man. When you get nailed on a mistake over a news story, you whine like a little kid. So who's the better man, JK?

I expected better from you.

I am an Honorably Discharged, highly decorated war veteran, so yes, we are different regarding our service.

The only thing I said in this thread is that the monsters who confessed have to pay for their crimes. There is no way that she wasn't involved. She was instrumental for bringing the victim to the ambush and planned the whole thing, according to police information in the newspaper. If the young lady didn't confess and if there was no evidence linking her to the crime, I would be the first to call for her release.

However, since she arranged to have the victim meet her under promises of sex and lead the victim to his death, that is a capital murder offense. Then she took her 'cut' of the money, bought drugs and said the murder was a 'thrill'. She must hang.

If you have a problem with my opinion based on my observations of the facts, fine. But only a criminal apologist would carry on like you are and attack me for standing behind lady justice and the rights of the victims.

I am the better man.

One thing I do agree with you about is that Staab should hang too for not calling police about the crime he knew they were planning to carry out.

JK

[E.J.Armstrong]

originaly posted by Kedi Knight
It is the job of media to report heinous crimes. If the criminals involved in the heinous crimes get caught and confess, the media will report it.
It is the job of the media to sensationalise crime so as to frighten people like you who are clearly so easily frightened of the world outside your door. Like all those rampant women who don't want a date with you or scary foreigners who might say boo on a dark night.

So they confessed. Wow. And all confessions are obtained properly in the USA. Not even the tabloid press in the USA all believe that one.That is what happened here. Four monsters killed a 16 year old boy for his paycheck because they were drug-induced maniacs and dangerous predators and the media reported it. Monsters all eh? It appears that you have tried and convicted them without trial. So much for USA justice. Now I just know you are not like those who go out with a white sheet and a few matches to scare the uppity African Americans away from all those scary white women. Because that is totally criminal behaviour as you will be the first to agree. And they didn't even try those African Americans either.They also confessed to the crime. Funny - so did many African Americans and retarded people as well. See above.Now people reading the newspaper can support their execution via the state, or cower as other people do and have sympathy for the criminal predators and try to make up excuses for their actions: "Gosh, she is mentally retarded so we shouldn't execute her. She is so cute and harmless. So what if she planned the murder and took the victim to the ambush point, a capital offense. She shouldn't be executed." Now decent people reading a paper might actually wait for a properly constituted and concluded trial before drawing premature conclusions and demanding that possibly innocent people be put to death in lots of horrible and possiblt torturous ways. And there is that small problem with the death penalty. It always kills innocent people and in the USA juveniles and the mentally retarded - particularly when they are tried by newspaper reports. Don't you care about innocent lives being lost at all? That is basically what you are saying EJ. It is a good things cowards like you aren't involved in the dispensing of justice here in America. But then you suffer from a congenital intellect deficiency so why bother debating it with you. I see. Not wanting to kill innocent people is equal to being a coward in Jedi Knight's book. Well there we have another interestingly consistent brick in the wall of that personality which brings so much unintended humour to us all. On that basis I am immensely proud to be called a coward by the likes of you.

Oh and when you do decide to stand by your six months old claims and counting do let me know Herman. There's a sound of boots (military, for the use of) running away again for some reason. I wonder why?

I am so sorry. Those justified ad hominem attacks just slip of the keyboard for some reason.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Sure Fool. What this all really means is I will continue to be your target for abusive acusations because of your personal hatred of life.

JK
Acusing you of lying is like accusing the sky of being blue. Whats the point in pointing out the blindingly obvious? And as for Hatred...well, I don't hate life, I don't even hate liars like yourself. I just find it sad that you need to fabricate so much stuff to keep up in debates.

Shooting up your threads is about as challenging as ducks in a shooting gallery. You just cannot resist lying, this immediately reduces your threads to a joke.

I challange you to start a single thread where you don't fabricate facts......c'mon JK.....you can do it.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong

It is the job of the media to sensationalise crime so as to frighten people like you who are clearly so easily frightened of the world outside your door. Like all those rampant women who don't want a date with you or scary foreigners who might say boo on a dark night.

So they confessed. Wow. And all confessions are obtained properly in the USA. Not even the tabloid press in the USA all believe that one. Monsters all eh? It appears that you have tried and convicted them without trial. So much for USA justice. Now I just know you are not like those who go out with a white sheet and a few matches to scare the uppity African Americans away from all those scary white women. Because that is totally criminal behaviour as you will be the first to agree. And they didn't even try those African Americans either. Funny - so did many African Americans and retarded people as well. See above. Now decent people reading a paper might actually wait for a properly constituted and concluded trial before drawing premature conclusions and demanding that possibly innocent people be put to death in lots of horrible and possiblt torturous ways. And there is that small problem with the death penalty. It always kills innocent people and in the USA juveniles and the mentally retarded - particularly when they are tried by newspaper reports. Don't you care about innocent lives being lost at all? I see. Not wanting to kill innocent people is equal to being a coward in Jedi Knight's book. Well there we have another interestingly consistent brick in the wall of that personality which brings so much unintended humour to us all. On that basis I am immensely proud to be called a coward by the likes of you.

Oh and when you do decide to stand by your six months old claims and counting do let me know Herman. There's a sound of boots (military, for the use of) running away again for some reason. I wonder why?

I am so sorry. Those justified ad hominem attacks just slip of the keyboard for some reason.

That is the funniest brain-disorder post I have read in a long time. :D

JK

[Roadtoad]

As I said, I expected better from you, JK.

A decorated, honorably discharged vet? So you continue to make ad homs, and you continue to lie. You're smearing my father and my son with your actions. I resent that.

That does not make you a better man. It makes you petty, childish, and an embarassment to the uniform you once wore. You know nothing of my politics, and nothing of my beliefs.

Some time ago, I got into it with Franko. But a funny thing happened: Franko PM'd me, apologizing, and offering some insight into what he believed, and why. I didn't agree with what he had to say, but I did appreciate the fact that he was a better man for extending a friendly hand.

I realize that there are others who have gotten a raw deal from Franko, but I also am grateful that he was kind enough to show me respect I probably had not otherwise earned.

And by the way, JK: If you think my errors have seemingly had no effect on me, keep in mind that I still have not been able to bring myself to visit my father's gravesite at Golden Gate National Cemetary. I loved my father. I honored and respected him by not trying to go for a discharge upgrade everyone else told me I ought to get, because I did not earn it. In your eyes, that makes me less of a man. Coming from you, that's a compliment.

There are better people on this site. I have sought for years to find one place where I might find true and good friends. Maybe this is not the place, but I'll be damned if I'll sit back and allow you to assault good people who have done you no harm, and have, if anything, tried to do right by you. Maybe you don't recognize it as such, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE TRIED TO DO.

At this point, you're not much better than the thugs you rail against.

[E.J.Armstrong]

Do it JK.

I don't believe you can but there you go. Why not try to have a rational debate where - you know - you actually stand by your claims for once. If you are a dictator loving weapons provider for Saddam Hussein you won't of course.

Bummer. I just got a spirit message from Sylvia Browne. This cannot be happening. The next thing you know Jedi Knight will actually enter into a rational debate.

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Junk Kipper
That is the funniest brain-disorder post I have read in a long time.

Well I guess that proves he really can't. Pity - it would have been nice to see JK change his spots just for once.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
As I said, I expected better from you, JK.

A decorated, honorably discharged vet? So you continue to make ad homs, and you continue to lie. You're smearing my father and my son with your actions. I resent that.

That does not make you a better man. It makes you petty, childish, and an embarassment to the uniform you once wore. You know nothing of my politics, and nothing of my beliefs.

Some time ago, I got into it with Franko. But a funny thing happened: Franko PM'd me, apologizing, and offering some insight into what he believed, and why. I didn't agree with what he had to say, but I did appreciate the fact that he was a better man for extending a friendly hand.

I realize that there are others who have gotten a raw deal from Franko, but I also am grateful that he was kind enough to show me respect I probably had not otherwise earned.

And by the way, JK: If you think my errors have seemingly had no effect on me, keep in mind that I still have not been able to bring myself to visit my father's gravesite at Golden Gate National Cemetary. I loved my father. I honored and respected him by not trying to go for a discharge upgrade everyone else told me I ought to get, because I did not earn it. In your eyes, that makes me less of a man. Coming from you, that's a compliment.

There are better people on this site. I have sought for years to find one place where I might find true and good friends. Maybe this is not the place, but I'll be damned if I'll sit back and allow you to assault good people who have done you no harm, and have, if anything, tried to do right by you. Maybe you don't recognize it as such, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE TRIED TO DO.

At this point, you're not much better than the thugs you rail against.

You have issues--that's obvious. I could care less what you have or haven't done in the military. I do not care. I could care less what your kid has done. I could care less what your dad has done.

That has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with this thread. This thread is not about you, your dad, your kid, the morons who are attacking me in it, or you. This thread is about a heinous crime committed by a group of monsters that deserve to be executed for capital murder.

You came into this thread to troll. Admit it. You didn't even know the crime those kids did was in America.

Do us both a favor and get lost. :rolleyes:

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong


Well I guess that proves he really can't. Pity - it would have been nice to see JK change his spots just for once.

You have something to contribute to the thread topic or do you have a permanent case of having your head up your ass?

JK

[Roadtoad]

Nor is this thread about you. But it sure as hell reveals a lot about you.

I've admitted my mistakes. And mine were mistakes, no question. Yours were genuine lies. So, tell me, JK, who really ought to be leaving?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
Nor is this thread about you. But it sure as hell reveals a lot about you.

I've admitted my mistakes. And mine were mistakes, no question. Yours were genuine lies. So, tell me, JK, who really ought to be leaving?

Want some cheese with that whine you are dispensing? I started this thread. The topic is about crime.

So are you finished or is your unstable tirade going to continue? :rolleyes:

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
the morons who are attacking me in it
[/B]
Do you consider yourself as having a license to lie? Why is pointing out these lies "attacking" you...... Lets get real here JK, you want to be able to lie any time you like and you also want other posters to ignore the fact that you are lying?

Should anyone be able to blatantly fabricate details as you do endlessly? Tony Blair announced WMD have been found in Iraq?????????? This girl has confessed???? The lemonade stand girl had guns pointed at her and was handcuffed???? In your imagination maybe....why must you constantly lie. You must realise this makes rational debate impossible, how about some standards of honesty and integrity from the guy who is always preaching about morality?? too much to ask?
have a good look at yourself......

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

Do you consider yourself as having a license to lie? Why is pointing out these lies "attacking" you...... Lets get real here JK, you want to be able to lie any time you like and you also want other posters to ignore the fact that you are lying?

Should anyone be able to blatantly fabricate details as you do endlessly? Tony Blair announced WMD have been found in Iraq?????????? This girl has confessed???? The lemonade stand girl had guns pointed at her and was handcuffed???? In your imagination maybe....why must you constantly lie. You must realise this makes rational debate impossible, how about some standards of honesty and integrity from the guy who is always preaching about morality?? too much to ask?
have a good look at yourself......

They confessed. How is that a lie? :eek:

JK

[De_Bunk]

At first i was unsure about agreeing with execution of someone that young..

And then i thought about if it happened to my son...

I would want execution...for the attackers..

And at least 30 years for the girl...

I would class that as "Justice Done"..

DB

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


They confessed. How is that a lie? :eek:

JK
:Groan:
ok, one more time for the slow readers.

You said the girl had confessed to murder.

You were asked where you got this from as it was not in the article you sited.

You said the girls confessed to murder.

you were again asked where you got this from.

You then said that she MUST have confessed, because the article contained so many "facts" about the case.

People attempted to explain to you that simply because you assume she MUST have confessed does not mean she did.

you again said the girl had confessed.

you were again asked where you got this from.

you again said the girl had confessed.....

worked out the trolling game sequence yet?????

I am done playing your game. If you feel that you have a license to lie and fabricate then you are making it pointless to attempt to participate in any form of discussion.....But that does not worry you because your conspiracy theories cannot survive discussion. Your simple aim is the use of Goebbels style techniques of telling a simple lie over and over and over and imagining that this gives it credability.

[Rat]

Originally posted by Pyrrho
Here's your answer to the question "Why?":

Illegal drugs, same as always. What else can you expect from the American drug culture?

Know where your children are, and what they are doing.

Gas chamber? I'm inclined to agree.
Hey, as a child (depending on your definition) I never really did drugs, but by my late teens, they were coming out of my ears, figuratively speaking. This is because it is big and clever. :cool:

But I paid with UB, then went and got a job so I could buy more. It would never have occurred to me to rob people for money, any more than I would to buy food.

No, I did crime purely for fun.:D

[justsaygnosis]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


When I was in 8th grade, I was collecting comic books, camping and playing baseball.

8th grade girls today arrange ambushes of 16 year old men for their paychecks from the boy's father to kill them and then go buy crack cocaine, ecstacy, heroin and crystal meth.

Then the 8th grade girls go have sex with dozens of partners after they enter their drug-induced state from the narcotic ingestion and then coerce other young men to assist them in killing/robbing other victims.

You think these monsters are bad now, just wait.

JK

This is the norm and not the exception?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

:Groan:
ok, one more time for the slow readers.

You said the girl had confessed to murder.

You were asked where you got this from as it was not in the article you sited.

You said the girls confessed to murder.

you were again asked where you got this from.

You then said that she MUST have confessed, because the article contained so many "facts" about the case.

People attempted to explain to you that simply because you assume she MUST have confessed does not mean she did.

you again said the girl had confessed.

you were again asked where you got this from.

you again said the girl had confessed.....

worked out the trolling game sequence yet?????

I am done playing your game. If you feel that you have a license to lie and fabricate then you are making it pointless to attempt to participate in any form of discussion.....But that does not worry you because your conspiracy theories cannot survive discussion. Your simple aim is the use of Goebbels style techniques of telling a simple lie over and over and over and imagining that this gives it credability.

They confessed. That is why they are sitting in jail; it is why the police are divulging the facts; it is why they are on trial for capital murder and why the prosecution is going to win.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by justsaygnosis


This is the norm and not the exception?

A bit of humor with an example of the exception, not the rule. :D

JK

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by De_Bunk
At first i was unsure about agreeing with execution of someone that young..

And then i thought about if it happened to my son...

I would want execution...for the attackers..

And at least 30 years for the girl...

I would class that as "Justice Done"..

DB

Something you and I would agree on, DB. But what scares the hell out of me is that I know too many kids whose parents simply don't give a rat's ass about their kids.

My wife worked in the Rio Linda School District with disturbed kids. One of them, a young girl, was a real mess. My wife tried for a very long time trying to help, trying to find a way through to this kid.

So one day, she's riding the bus home with the kids, and they stop at this child's home. (The girl was living with her grandmother.) No sooner was the kid off the bus, than she was met by her mom...

And her mom's pimp.

What happens to kids like that? Do they become part of this cycle, or do they suddenly become upstanding citizens? I look at this girl, look and see that she had some incredible advantages, (Catholic Schools are not cheap, and they require a certain amount of parental involvement), and it scares the hell out of me. What's next?

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Jedi Knight
You have something to contribute to the thread topic or do you have a permanent case of having your head up your ass?
There is a saying in Northern England, Yorkshire to be precise. It goes - Where there's muck there's brass. In your case how wrong could they be? As wrong a something that is very wrong indeed it seems.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong

There is a saying in Northern England, Yorkshire to be precise. It goes - Where there's muck there's brass. In your case how wrong could they be? As wrong a something that is very wrong indeed it seems.

Jesus EJ, you need Hooked on Phonics. :eek:

JK

[Supercharts]

"Defendant Ed Batzig's father refused to comment at his Fishtown home today. According to the arrest warrant the four showed up at the home of a 16-year old friend after the killing.

A witness states Dominic then came upstairs and stated to her that they had just killed Jason Sweeney and took his money. Later the 16 year old told police, "Eddie, Dominic, and Nick were telling this witness how the killed the complainant(Sweeney), Justina was saying the whole thing was a rush."


"The 4 were in the kitchen splitting up the money among themselves. Justina was saying how much she 'loved it' and how happy she was to have the money."
(Copyright 2003 by Action News. All Rights Reserved.)

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/061103_nw_sweeneymurdercase.html

[justsaygnosis]

Originally posted by Supercharts
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/061103_nw_sweeneymurdercase.html[/url]

An eye for an eye as the saying goes.
How about a brain for the one they smashed in.
I'd prefer they were all lobotomized and given menial labor until they stop breathing, preferably after many years.
The downside is the lobotomy may be sufficient to wipe out any sense of remorse they may yet to develop.
This is a serious argument for criminal insanity. There is no other way to explain how these kids could just execute a 'friend'.
This isn't even comparable to columbine where some ostracized kids wigged out and went on a rampage.

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Jedi Knight
Jesus EJ, you need Hooked on Phonics.

Come on JK - justify your claims just for once. Why do you find the truth so hard to live with? Isn't it better to be laughed with rather than laughed at? You might find it refreshing.

[Jedi Knight]

quote--Sweeney's last words, according to Coia, were, "I'm bleeding," and to Morley, "You set me up." (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/6112621.htm) --end quote.

The victim (Sweeny) looked up at the chick and told her: "You set me up" as an axe was stuck inside his skull.

"Sweeney was trying to get up and run, and [Nicholas Coia] hit him with a boulder," Coia told police about the May 30 murder. "Blood was spurting... We just kept hitting and hitting him."

Dominic Coia's last blow was so violent that the hammer stuck in Sweeney's skull, sources said.

Sweeney's last words, according to Coia, were, "I'm bleeding," and to Morley, "You set me up."

She set him up. There it is, in court, witnessed at the crime scene and out in the open.

She must hang for her crimes but a firing squad would be better. A cyanide gas chamber would also be OK, but a firing squad would be my first choice for her crime. Hanging would be OK too, come to think of it, if they leave the hood off so everyone can see her expression when her neck snaps as the rope constricts.

But no matter which way justice is dispensed with her, any form of execution by the state will be good enough.

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Sweeney's last words, according to Coia, were, "I'm bleeding," and to Morley, "You set me up."

She set him up. There it is, in court, witnessed at the crime scene and out in the open.

JK I've been doing other things, but stumbled back into this old thread today - Jedi, you never admit a lie, do you?

The question is not who's guilty, but your statement that the girl has confessed. You twist and shake and try desperately to find something confirming that she has, but in vain.

Look at your own quote from the article:

Sweeney said, according to Coia - nothing is mentioned about what the girl has said or not.

Further from the article you provided:

each bash to Sweeney's head was described in court - first by an assistant medical examiner, then through Coia's and Batzig's statements to police Where did you see Morley's confession here?

Finally and again - nobody is arguing about the guilt here, however let the jury decide in due time. But why stick to a lie in a case where all would agree about the crime anyhow? :(

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


8th grade girls today arrange ambushes of 16 year old men for their paychecks from the boy's father to kill them and then go buy crack cocaine, ecstacy, heroin and crystal meth.

Then the 8th grade girls go have sex with dozens of partners after they enter their drug-induced state from the narcotic ingestion and then coerce other young men to assist them in killing/robbing other victims.
JK

WOW!!!
That might be the funniest thing I have ever read in my life!!!
:D :D :D

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Mike B.


WOW!!!
That might be the funniest thing I have ever read in my life!!!
:D :D :D

I should be a CNN news anchor. ;)

JK

[E.J.Armstrong]

You seem to get a big thrill out of advocating death for girls and an enormous thrill out of describing the details of murder JK.

That is very, very sad.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong
You seem to get a big thrill out of advocating death for girls and an enormous thrill out of describing the details of murder JK.

That is very, very sad.

No, I advocate for the legal death penalty in capital murder cases. I am pro-criminal justice and anti-crime.

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


No, I advocate for the legal death penalty in capital murder cases. I am pro-criminal justice and anti-crime.

JK And your critics on this thread are simply saying:

Let's see the jury convict them first. Give them justice, as you claim to be for.

Maybe the 'skeptical' title of this thread should have been "If she is guilty, she deserves the gas chamber". Maybe that's what you wanted to say? :p

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
And your critics on this thread are simply saying:

Let's see the jury convict them first. Give them justice, as you claim to be for.

Maybe the 'skeptical' title of this thread should have been "If she is guilty, she deserves the gas chamber". Maybe that's what you wanted to say? :p

The crime was so heinous, I hope they all get the death penalty.

JK

[Gem]

The crime was so heinous, I hope they all get the death penalty.

I'm not very familiar with the US justice system and its terms on Death Penalty, but I thought that minors, or very few of them, could get Death Penalty?

Gem

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Gem


I'm not very familiar with the US justice system and its terms on Death Penalty, but I thought that minors, or very few of them, could get Death Penalty?

Gem
The USA regularly hands the death penalty to children (under 18yo). The only other countries to do this are.

The Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria, and Saudi Arabia. The USA tops this list in terms of numbers of death sentences given to children.

Interesting list.....Nice company to keep eh?

[tim]

Calm it down, folks - name calling doesn't really add to the strength of an argument!
JK, I have re-examined the article in question, and as far as I can see no mention is made of whether the families are single or otherwise.
Now we know, don't we, that all press articles are ALWAYS correct on detail. The reporters move mountains to ensure accuracy.
All we have to go on is one such article. Would it not be better to wait and see the evidence before we jump to the conclusion these people are guilty? Isn't it the case theyr'e innocent until found guilt in a court of law? Indeed, as skeptics are we not failing if we do anything else?
As I understand it, the girl is fifteen, two of the boys sixteen and the third seventeen. Even when we had capital punishment in the UK condemned prisoners were only executed if they were over eighteen at the time of the crime. We viewed under eighteens as children and we didn't kill them.
What surprises me is the speculation I sometimes see in news reports about details of evidence. Here the press may not report such detail before the trial or make assumptions about the guilt or otherwise of the accused. The reasoning is that it may predjudice a fair trial.
Let's wait until we have enough information to make an informed judgement before we start tying the hangmans' noose.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by tim
Would it not be better to wait and see the evidence before we jump to the conclusion these people are guilty? Isn't it the case theyr'e innocent until found guilt in a court of law? Indeed, as skeptics are we not failing if we do anything else? Most posters, in fact most skeptics in general, agree with you. JK, however, has no time to wait for the court:

I hope they all get the death penalty. I tried to make him specify 'if she is guilty', but he refused.

Who needs a jury when one has a Jedi? :p

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Who needs a jury when one has a Jedi? :p

Jedi is about to undergo a transformation, thanks to Fool. Stay tuned. It is in his reponse to stalking me on the forum.

I hope you enjoy the new Jedi. :D

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by tim
Calm it down, folks - name calling doesn't really add to the strength of an argument!
JK, I have re-examined the article in question, and as far as I can see no mention is made of whether the families are single or otherwise.
Now we know, don't we, that all press articles are ALWAYS correct on detail. The reporters move mountains to ensure accuracy.
All we have to go on is one such article. Would it not be better to wait and see the evidence before we jump to the conclusion these people are guilty? Isn't it the case theyr'e innocent until found guilt in a court of law? Indeed, as skeptics are we not failing if we do anything else?
As I understand it, the girl is fifteen, two of the boys sixteen and the third seventeen. Even when we had capital punishment in the UK condemned prisoners were only executed if they were over eighteen at the time of the crime. We viewed under eighteens as children and we didn't kill them.
What surprises me is the speculation I sometimes see in news reports about details of evidence. Here the press may not report such detail before the trial or make assumptions about the guilt or otherwise of the accused. The reasoning is that it may predjudice a fair trial.
Let's wait until we have enough information to make an informed judgement before we start tying the hangmans' noose.

Tim, I asked about the status of those kids I think in the first few posts, or hinted to it. But people were so incensed with me just bringing up the fact I support the death penalty (all non-communists hate the death penalty because victims in the communist viewpoint have no rights) that they missed that critical piece of information which proves (yet again) that leftists just do not pay attention to anything.

So, my hat is off to you for bringing it up--you have done something the leftists here could never do. You used critical thinking.

Anyway, the two brothers that were led by the girl to kill the victim lived with their father. The mother ran out on the kids when they were toddlers.

Now, had the leftists bothered to read about that, they would have come into the thread and posted dozens of posts about it. Since they didn't, it just goes to show how really ignorant they are and how they are more concerned with stalking me on the forum and not discussing the forum topics.

But Jesus loves them so it is OK. :D

JK

[Pyrrho]

Originally posted by The Fool

The USA regularly hands the death penalty to children (under 18yo). The only other countries to do this are.

The Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria, and Saudi Arabia. The USA tops this list in terms of numbers of death sentences given to children.

Interesting list.....Nice company to keep eh?
The USA usually waits until the children have been on death row into adulthood before executing them, though. By that time, they are no longer children, even if they were minors when they committed murder. Sometimes, by the time the trials finish, they are no longer minors, and are sentenced when adults, even if the crimes were committed when they were minors.

Nothing is simple.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Pyrrho

The USA usually waits until the children have been on death row into adulthood before executing them, though. By that time, they are no longer children, even if they were minors when they committed murder. Sometimes, by the time the trials finish, they are no longer minors, and are sentenced when adults, even if the crimes were committed when they were minors.

Nothing is simple.
Absolutely correct...There is no law that says a child has to reach adulthood on deathrow before being executed. It just happens that the process takes so long. It was some time in the fifties (I think) when a child was killed.

My point was the ability and desire for US states to give the death penalty to children. Iaccept that the US allows them to grow to adulthood in prison before killing them.

[Huzington]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Luring a friend (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/6026179.htm) with promises of sex, this monster:

..led the victim into an ambush where he had his brains bashed in by axes, bricks, clubs and boulders.

The girl who led the victim to his death was supposed to graduate from the 8th grade next week. :eek:

I want to see her inside of a gas chamber. That is where she needs to be. The electric chair will be too merciful for her.

As quoted by the police: "That kid is lying on a slab in a morgue still screaming in pain."

JK

It is a good moral lesson: do not have underaged sex. :cool:

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Jedi is about to undergo a transformation, thanks to Fool. Stay tuned. It is in his reponse to stalking me on the forum.

I hope you enjoy the new Jedi. :D

JK
New Jedi? What form of new Jedi? a non lying variety? or is that too much to ask.

If you are going back to Atheist killer Jedi, I would remind you that you already used that angle before the first "I'm leaving for good" Then you returned as Commie killer Jedi, then there was the second "I'm leaving for good" So, whats the new angle, come up with a new method of trolling?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by The Fool

New Jedi? What form of new Jedi? a non lying variety? or is that too much to ask.

If you are going back to Atheist killer Jedi, I would remind you that you already used that angle before the first "I'm leaving for good" Then you returned as Commie killer Jedi, then there was the second "I'm leaving for good" So, whats the new angle, come up with a new method of trolling?

Jesus loves you, child.

JK

[Roadtoad]

Here's the tough question, kids:

Let's assume for the moment, that everyone in this sick little game is, indeed, guilty as charged. The trial has been held, the kids have been convicted, and now you're moving on to the Penalty Phase.

My personal conviction is that an execution would be a waste. These kids would be every bit as dead as their victim. Their suffering would be at an end. Even their dying would be nowhere near as painful as the torment they put their victim through.

I say, let them live. Never, ever, let them out of prison, but put them all in a maximum security facility. This precludes their ever being abused, and precludes their ever being a threat. You give them the minimum of food, water, clothing, shelter, but you do not allow them anything more. (A supermax would be ideal.)

Ultimately, they will be forced to confront the reality of what they did. When you have no television, books, newspapers, or anything else like that to distract you, you'll have plenty of time with your own thoughts. At some point, reality is going to set in.

Consider the questions they'll be asking: "Is XXX in college now? Have they started a family? Are they working? What would I be doing now?" With no word on family, with no contact with anyone, save a guard, it's going to change some people's attitudes in a hurry.

It's not as quick as an execution, but I'm willing to bet it's going to be a lot more effective, a form of living death.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
It's not as quick as an execution, but I'm willing to bet it's going to be a lot more effective, a form of living death. The discussion about death penalty is an interesting one (and we've had it before here on JREF). It has been claimed that it's even cheaper to keep them alive than to kill them, with the added bonus of being able to release people if they are proved innocent at a later stage.

However, deciding on death penalty long before the trial, long before the jury has been picked, like Jesus Knight seems to be selling, is just .... not so skeptical? :(

[Cain]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Tim, I asked about the status of those kids I think in the first few posts, or hinted to it. But people were so incensed with me just bringing up the fact I support the death penalty (all non-communists hate the death penalty because victims in the communist viewpoint have no rights) that they missed that critical piece of information which proves (yet again) that leftists just do not pay attention to anything.

So, my hat is off to you for bringing it up--you have done something the leftists here could never do. You used critical thinking.

Anyway, the two brothers that were led by the girl to kill the victim lived with their father. The mother ran out on the kids when they were toddlers.

Now, had the leftists bothered to read about that, they would have come into the thread and posted dozens of posts about it. Since they didn't, it just goes to show how really ignorant they are and how they are more concerned with stalking me on the forum and not discussing the forum topics.

But Jesus loves them so it is OK. :D

JK

http://www.raceworx.com/funnypics/darthvader.jpg

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
The discussion about death penalty is an interesting one (and we've had it before here on JREF). It has been claimed that it's even cheaper to keep them alive than to kill them, with the added bonus of being able to release people if they are proved innocent at a later stage.

However, deciding on death penalty long before the trial, long before the jury has been picked, like Jesus Knight seems to be selling, is just .... not so skeptical? :(

The death penalty is a legal option readily exercised by the community to deal with heinous crimes as punishment.

I think it is pretty funny that you think I am the only one who wants to see them hang for their crimes. I am convinced that the parents of the victim would also like the death penalty law to be implemented in this case.

That is what the law is for too. Justice for the victims of crimes by monsters. The death penalty is one of the best criminal justice laws we have ever enacted as a nation.

JK

[Gem]

That is what the law is for too. Justice for the victims of crimes by monsters. The death penalty is one of the best criminal justice laws we have ever enacted as a nation.

Just curious, could you show us statistics that more guilty persons were executed than innocent persons?

Gem

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The death penalty is a legal option readily exercised by the community to deal with heinous crimes as punishment.

I think it is pretty funny that you think I am the only one who wants to see them hang for their crimes. I am convinced that the parents of the victim would also like the death penalty law to be implemented in this case.

That is what the law is for too. Justice for the victims of crimes by monsters. The death penalty is one of the best criminal justice laws we have ever enacted as a nation.

JK Of course it is legal, and it is supported by a large majority. That was not my point at all.

You, however, really should take the time for the justice system to convict the defendants before you go 'kill, kill'.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Of course it is legal, and it is supported by a large majority. That was not my point at all.

You, however, really should take the time for the justice system to convict the defendants before you go 'kill, kill'.

The confessed. Also it is 'execute, execute.'

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The confessed. Also it is 'execute, execute.'

JK Not much point in repeating this, I guess, but what the Bidlack - read this slowly and repeatedly until understood:

You have been challenged to show where the girl confessed.

You have not done so.

You are being laughed at for not admitting that you made it up. :p

Even those who confess, have a right to a fair trial, but that's beyond you anyhow ....

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Not much point in repeating this, I guess, but what the Bidlack - read this slowly and repeatedly until understood:

You have been challenged to show where the girl confessed.

You have not done so.

You are being laughed at for not admitting that you made it up. :p

Even those who confess, have a right to a fair trial, but that's beyond you anyhow ....
This is all fairly irrelevant since the announcement of the presidential pardon for the girl.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by The Fool

This is all fairly irrelevant since the announcement of the presidential pardon for the girl. Yeah, I noticed that one and I must say I support it. There is a difference. :(

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Yeah, I noticed that one and I must say I support it. There is a difference. :(

They all confessed. Unless you are a fool and think that witnesses lied when they said she "loved" the "thrill" of the murder, that she planned the murder, that she helped dispose of the bloody murder clothes after the murder, that she led the victim to the murder ambush, etc etc etc etc etc. :p

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


They all confessed. Unless you are a fool and think that witnesses lied when they said she "loved" the "thrill" of the murder, that she planned the murder, that she helped dispose of the bloody murder clothes after the murder, that she led the victim to the murder ambush, etc etc etc etc etc. :p

JK Witnesses claiming something does not equal a confession from the person in question. Law, 101. Please read the whole page. :p

Besides, as Fool is pointing out, the presidential pardon for the girl makes this irrelevant. :(

Even those who confess have a right to a fair trial, but that's beyond you anyhow ....

[Roadtoad]

Okay, I obviously missed something. A frigging presidential pardon?

Joke. Right?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Witnesses claiming something does not equal a confession from the person in question. Law, 101. Please read the whole page. :p

Besides, as Fool is pointing out, the presidential pardon for the girl makes this irrelevant. :(

Even those who confess have a right to a fair trial, but that's beyond you anyhow ....

You think she is going to be found innocent of her crimes?

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


You think she is going to be found innocent of her crimes?

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA

JK I'm merely, again, pointing out that saying she confessed is a lie.

What a witness claims does not equal a confession from the defendant (law 101 - you did not read the whole page as I recommended).

If you had some honour, you would admit it - or, of course, show where she confessed.

The bigger your letters, the more visible your lies ... :p

Doing it again, Jedi? :(

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
I'm merely, again, pointing out that saying she confessed is a lie.

What a witness claims does not equal a confession from the defendant (law 101 - you did not read the whole page as I recommended).

If you had some honour, you would admit it - or, of course, show where she confessed.

The bigger your letters, the more visible your lies ... :p

Doing it again, Jedi? :(

She is too young to get the death penalty. That is too bad. You have to be 16 to get the death penalty. I guess life in prison without the possibility of parole will have to be good enough. :(

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


She is too young to get the death penalty. That is too bad. You have to be 16 to get the death penalty. I guess life in prison without the possibility of parole will have to be good enough. :(

JK She has not been tried.

She has not been convicted.

She has not confessed.

Maybe later, if she is/does, one can discuss the death penalty for girls under 16 years of age.

It's disgusting how you are so crazy about the girl's punishment compared to the boys', and how you are repeating the lies about her confession. No honour, Jedi? :(

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
She has not been tried.

She has not been convicted.

She has not confessed.

Maybe later, if she is/does, one can discuss the death penalty for girls under 16 years of age.

It's disgusting how you are so crazy about the girl's punishment compared to the boys', and how you are repeating the lies about her confession. No honour, Jedi? :(

Taking the piss again? I am all for the death penalty for all of them and have mentioned it several times in this very thread. :p

JK

[Bjorn]

...... and how you are repeating the lies about her confession. No honour, Jedi?

[The Fool]

When you take into account the fact that Tony Blair has announced he has evidence proving her innocence.That
evidence of her innocence has also been found in box trailers in Iraq and the fact that 95% of all women charged with murder are proven innocent. I would say she will get off.

Actually she's probably guilty as hell.....but watching Jedi get caught lying over and over is rather amusing don't you think?

[DavidJames]

"watching Jedi get caught lying over and over is rather amusing don't you think?"

I find it alternates between amusing and maddening, but ultimately I find JK to be a sad and pathetic figure.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by The Fool
When you take into account the fact that Tony Blair has announced he has evidence proving her innocence.That
evidence of her innocence has also been found in box trailers in Iraq and the fact that 95% of all women charged with murder are proven innocent. I would say she will get off.And the presidential pardon, not to forget. :(

[Gem]

but watching Jedi get caught lying over and over is rather amusing don't you think?

Depends on my mood. Get annoying sometimes, but it's funny as hell to know that such people exist.

Gem

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by The Fool
Actually she's probably guilty as hell.....but watching Jedi get caught lying over and over is rather amusing don't you think? Yep - and I second your opinion that he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. :p

I find he exaggerates in 86% of his posts. :(

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Gem


Depends on my mood. Get annoying sometimes, but it's funny as hell to know that such people exist.

Gem

lol leftist intolerance.

JK

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


lol leftist intolerance.

JK
I find it strange that you would expect to be tolerated on a skeptic board. Fabricated "facts", fake quotes, falsified statistics....These are things that skeptics are always looking out for. Why do you imagine that you should be given a ticket to lie?

[CWL]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


The death penalty is a legal option readily exercised by the community to deal with heinous crimes as punishment.

Typically totalitarian thinking. Execution is always the solution. Execute, execute, execute. Mr. Knight obviously strongly believes that the state should ultimately have the power and right to take the life of any individual - i.e. he is of the essential opinion that the collective matters more than the individual.

Jedi Knight is obviously a communist.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Yep - and I second your opinion that he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. :p

I find he exaggerates in 86% of his posts. :(
What do you mean? He has over ten thousand posts and he has exaggerated in at least 25,000 of them. That's 99%!

[CWL]

Originally posted by Tricky

What do you mean? He has over ten thousand posts and he has exaggerated in at least 25,000 of them. That's 99%!

Yet more proof of Jedi Knight's communist affiliation. Communists exaggerate all the time.

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Jedi Knight
lol leftist intolerance.

I found a new divtionary in the shops today. The JK dictionary. It explains a lot of things. Here a few typical entries.

Leftist - rational people

Intolerance - rational people pointing out facts

Accused - guilty

Women - guilty people

Get your JK dictionary now. You know it makes 'sense'.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by CWL


Yet more proof of Jedi Knight's communist affiliation. Communists exaggerate all the time.
Comrade Knight does appear to be attempting to lampoon right wing views.

[Reginald]

http://store1.yimg.com/I/janitorial-cleaning-supplies_1745_19598356

[CWL]

Originally posted by The Fool

Comrade Knight does appear to be attempting to lampoon right wing views.

True, true. Ridiculing us normal, honest and hard working capitalists by mimicing our ways (in a most mocking and quizzical manner) is also a vital part of his MO.

In short, the man's a true communist.

[Reginald]

Originally posted by CWL


True, true. Ridiculing us normal, honest and hard working capitalists by mimicing our ways (in a most mocking and quizzical manner) is also a vital part of his MO.

In short, the man's a true communist.

An ordinary one or a "Stalinist Red" one?

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong


I found a new divtionary in the shops today. The JK dictionary. It explains a lot of things. Here a few typical entries.

Leftist - rational people

Intolerance - rational people pointing out facts

Accused - guilty

Women - guilty people

Get your JK dictionary now. You know it makes 'sense'. Very interesting. Did you check for other entries, like

pregnant teenager - bloodthirsty abortionazi

the guy who Bidlacked her - innocent matriarchal victim

accused female - guilty, no need for a trial, feminazi

accused male - the victim was a whorenazi, let's not jump to conclusions

commie - to the left of Jedi, leftienazi

moderate - to the right of Jedi, person who is right

atheist - religious person in denial

arabs - religious fanatics from the middle east

jews - the opposite of arabs

terrorist - anyone who critisizes US

torture - fun way of interrogating terrorists

gravity - sorry, too complicated

bjorn - someone who should get a life

[CWL]

Originally posted by Reginald


An ordinary one or a "Stalinist Red" one?

As red as they come I suspect.

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Bjorn
terrorist - anyone who critisizes US

torture - fun way of interrogating terrorists


The JK dictionery is full of things that explain his world view. Here are another few entries

The death penalty = a legal option readily exercised by the community to deal with heinous crimes as punishment. (NB - normally applied before trial thereby saving the state money trying 'obviously guilty' people.)

Heinous crime = refusing a date with JK

Obviously guilty people = Anyone accused of a crime by a newspaper

Newspaper = Anything produced by or supporting the Bush administration

Fact = anything that apears in a newspaper as defined above

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by E.J.Armstrong
Obviously guilty people = Anyone accused of a crime by a newspaperYou must have misread this one. It really says:

Female accused of a crime by a newspaper. :cool:

[E.J.Armstrong]

Bjorn

Apologies. You are of course correct. I must have got a bootleg copy of the JK dictionary. Those feminazis again no doubt.