Monday's 9/11 Rally Point

[realitybites]

Anyone have any ideas on where would be a good place to meet up for anniversary? There's a bunch of construction going on down there and I really have no idea where the authorities are going to be putting the conspiracy crowd.

I don't think there's going to be that many of us, so I was thinking some Starbucks or something in the area to just get organized before we head over.

And yeah, I know it's a Monday, but if any JREFer here in the city can go in late to work or take an early lunch (or call in sick like me), your presence would be greatly appreciated.

[gumboot]

I don't think there's going to be that many of us, so I was thinking some Starbucks or something in the area to just get organized before we head over.


Perfect spot. Everyone knows Starbucks is part of teh ebil gubmint NWO illuminati empire. You've seen Austin Powers, right?

-Andrew

[Brainache]

Aren't people in New York supposed to meet at the Empire State Building or something?
Meeting in Starbucks sounds like meeting in Parramatta. Not exotic at all.

[Kryptos]

some Starbucks or something in the area.

Seems like there are zillion starbucks, one on almost every block.

It might be better to pick something with fewer or just one location in the area, to avoid any possible confusion.

On Broadway, across from City Hall Park, is "Oliva Gourmet" which is a good casual place to get coffee and a bite to eat (if anyone's hungry), with seating available in the back.

This may be outside the security perimeter. (might be okay anyway?)

Other suggestions?

-debunk911myths

[WildCat]

I really, really wish I could be there...

[Loss Leader]

Yes. By all means, meet at the Empire State Building's Central Park entrance just on the other side of City Hall. Maybe you can meet at the Statue of Liberty up by 42nd Street. Then take the Brooklyn Bridge right over to Yankee Stadium.

[realitybites]

I was also kinda thinking Liberty Park, maybe near those tall orange beams that pass as "art". Maybe the red cube at 140 B'way.

[Brainache]

At the Guggenheim! Then stop at Rays Famous Pizza then a ride through Central Park in one of those carriages...

[Abbyas]

I was also kinda thinking Liberty Park, maybe near those tall orange beams that pass as "art". Maybe the red cube at 140 B'way.

I like that idea.

Yes. By all means, meet at the Empire State Building's Central Park entrance just on the other side of City Hall. Maybe you can meet at the Statue of Liberty up by 42nd Street. Then take the Brooklyn Bridge right over to Yankee Stadium.

Killed me.

[EvilBiker]

I would *love* to be there, especially after viewing those cute little CT ragamuffin's comments regarding Abby's video.

I'm sure I could wangle a "diplomatic immunity" plea after melding some of the more obnoxious Troothers with the sidewalk.

Unfortunately, my Sturgis club chapter won't be able to make it. That would have been way cool. Everybody knows that you don't p*ss off a biker gang.

[Gravy]

I was also kinda thinking Liberty Park, maybe near those tall orange beams that pass as "art". Maybe the red cube at 140 B'way.
Excellent. That was my thought also.

Meet under this sculpture in Liberty Park at 8 a.m. on 9/11, where instructions from Planet X will be beamed to you.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/87904501a83896d77.jpg

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/87904501a83866442.jpg

Light-colored clothing is preferred. The deniers will be in black. Bonus points if you're riding a white horse, especially if it's from Michael Brown's stable.

By subway: Many lines have stops near the WTC.
1 to Rector St.
2,3 to Park Place
E to WTC
A, C to Chambers St.
R, W to Rector St. (Cortlandt Street station is closed)
4,5,6 to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall

Subway map: http://www.nycsubway.org/maps/route/

Here's the schedule of denier events. http://www.ny911truth.org/events/5th_anniversary.htm

[realitybites]

Meet under this sculpture in Liberty Park at 8 a.m. on 9/11, where instructions from Planet X will be beamed to you.

It's been awhile since I've had instructions beamed to me.... Is there special headgear that's required in order to make sure they're received properly?

[Hellbound]

Light-colored clothing is preferred. The deniers will be in black. Bonus points if you're riding a white horse, especially if it's from Michael Brown's stable.

Extra bonus points if it can be trained to defecate whenever nearby troothers begin speaking.

:D

[Ramooone]

Excellent. That was my thought also.

Meet under this sculpture in Liberty Park at 8 a.m. on 9/11, where instructions from Planet X will be beamed to you.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/87904501a83896d77.jpg

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/87904501a83866442.jpg

Light-colored clothing is preferred. The deniers will be in black. Bonus points if you're riding a white horse, especially if it's from Michael Brown's stable.

By subway: Many lines have stops near the WTC.
1 to Rector St.
2,3 to Park Place
E to WTC
A, C to Chambers St.
R, W to Cortlandt St.
4,5,6 to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall

Subway map: http://www.nycsubway.org/maps/route/

Here's the schedule of denier events. http://www.ny911truth.org/events/5th_anniversary.htm

just a note, the R,W cortland street station is closed till 2007. if you take the R or W get off at rector street.

[T.A.M.]

If I was 10 years younger, I'd say F&*k it, and i'd be there. Now, at age 35, and living 2000 miles from NYC, I really can't do it. My thoughts are with all that do go, however...

TAM

[Gravy]

It's been awhile since I've had instructions beamed to me.... Is there special headgear that's required in order to make sure they're received properly?
I'll have my tin-foil tuning meter, and extra knobs.

[realitybites]

Extra bonus points if it can be trained to defecate whenever nearby troothers begin speaking.

:D
Ala Frau Blücher... :)

[Gravy]

just a note, the R,W cortland street station is closed till 2007. if you take the R or W get off at rector street.
Oops, thanks. I only take that line, uh, several times a week. I'll edit the post.

[Abbyas]

Light-colored clothing is preferred. The deniers will be in black. Bonus points if you're riding a white horse, especially if it's from Michael Brown's stable.

Excellent.

After reading what some of the truthers would like to do to us, I will be wearing this:

http://z.about.com/d/gonewengland/1/0/G/I/armor2.jpg

[Kryptos]

Liberty Park at 8 a.m.

Sounds good. Will definitely be there.

Please let me know if you need help preparing any literature or anything, make extra copies of your materials, or whatever.

-Kate (debunk911myths)

[Kryptos]

I'll probably be at Oliva at around 7am to get my morning cup of joe.

-Kate

[realitybites]

Awesome!

Sounds good. Will definitely be there.

Please let me know if you need help preparing any literature or anything, make extra copies of your materials, or whatever.

-Kate (debunk911myths)

[Abbyas]

Sounds good. Will definitely be there.

Please let me know if you need help preparing any literature or anything, make extra copies of your materials, or whatever.

-Kate (debunk911myths)

Do we have materials?

[Ramooone]

im going to try my darndest to make it!

[realitybites]

Do we have materials?
I just have those gubmint checks....

[Gravy]

Do we have materials?
We will. I've been busy doing media stuff, trying to work on the LC guide, and teaching the cat how to fill balloons with gravy without popping them. I wasn't going to do anything fancy for literature, just a variation on my Saturday flyer. Feel free to make your own if you want. Variety is good.

[realitybites]

im going to try my darndest to make it!
Try not.

Do. Or do not.

.... There is no try.

[Loss Leader]

I'm only 30 miles away but I don't think I'm educated enough to debunk the myths. Unless "No, you're stupid" is an adequate response.

[realitybites]

I'm only 30 miles away but I don't think I'm educated enough to debunk the myths. Unless "No, you're stupid" is an adequate response.
Don't think that this event will end up becoming a televised debate. As far as I know, the plan is to quietly handout flyers that debunk what the nutters are saying.

So even though I think you're probably selling yourself short, all you'll really need on Monday is one hand to hold the stuff and another to pass it out.

[jhunter1163]

I live in CT, so 8 am isn't practical for me, but I plan to be there as soon as possible. I'll look for you and wear something light-colored.

[azazal]

Unfortunately I cannot be there physically, but I'll be there spiritually*


*Secret NWO/Gub'ment ESP mind projecting*

[Abbyas]

Feel free to make your own if you want. Variety is good.

I'll bring the flyers that I whipped up using the research of so many others that have gone before me.

*Secret NWO/Gub'ment ESP mind projecting*

Ouch! Don't project so hard.

[Ramooone]

theres a gathering tomorrow at 11:30am in union square according to the 9/11 deniers sites. anyone wanna go? we can make fun of truthers and stupid nyu kids at the same time! Kill two birds with one truth!

[Abbyas]

theres a gathering tomorrow at 11:30am in union square according to the 9/11 deniers sites. anyone wanna go? we can make fun of truthers and stupid nyu kids at the same time! Kill two birds with one truth!

Although I do love mocking the college students, I know a couple of us will tackle the GZ portion of the nutters that day. They're gonna meet up in Union Square and then disperse to different areas including Ground Zero. Personally I like annoying them there versus anywhere else.

Should be plenty of out of towners down there... Maybe even some big guns.

[realitybites]

theres a gathering tomorrow at 11:30am in union square according to the 9/11 deniers sites. anyone wanna go? we can make fun of truthers and stupid nyu kids at the same time! Kill two birds with one truth!
I may peek out at Union Square on my way down to Ground Zero just to see what's going on, and to get a taste of what Monday may be like.

But I'll probably save the head-to-head stuff for downtown.

[Ramooone]

qalright, i'll try and come to GZ. I'm thinking of making signs saying that aliens were behind the attacks and print out screen shots from independence day that show the alien ray-top to bottom- demolition. im sure i'll get one nutter to believe me!

[azazal]

Ouch! Don't project so hard.

Well I'd make a joke out of that, but it's just too damn easy

Good luck to all on Monday

[Gravy]

I can't make it to GZ tomorrow. :( Abby, I wonder if any of the Ground Zeros have seen your video? Tee-hee!

[Gravy]

Unfortunately I cannot be there physically, but I'll be there spiritually*


*Secret NWO/Gub'ment ESP mind projecting*
If we testify that you were there spiritually, will you split the million-dolllar paranormal prize with us?

[Abbyas]

I can't make it to GZ tomorrow.

But I'll bet one of the loose change boys will be there...

[realitybites]

I can't make it to GZ tomorrow. :(
What kinda BS is that....

[Abbyas]

graaaaaaavyyyyy, loooooossse chaaaaaange booooooys at grooooooound zeeeeeroooo...

[Hutch]

Sorry to say I am heading the other way (Phoenix, AZ) on business or I would be sorely tempted, airline ticket pices be d---med.

Would be nice if some of the extra-large JREF'ers (myself at 6'2", Randfan at 6'3", RSLancaster is 6'7" and elsceptre is a good 6'8" could be there, in coat and tie and sunglasses, not smiling and with notebooks to take down everything the truthers say to you...(and the real truth is, we are three of the mildest tempers you'll ever meet--but with those idiots, I might be sorely tempted)...

Be safe, have fun, and keep your cool. I'll look forward to reading of your adventures after my return from the far West...

[realitybites]

graaaaaaavyyyyy, loooooossse chaaaaaange booooooys at grooooooound zeeeeeroooo...
That was beautiful.

[Gravy]

I'm only 30 miles away but I don't think I'm educated enough to debunk the myths. Unless "No, you're stupid" is an adequate response.
realitybites is correct. I'm certainly not going there to debate. I don't plan on speaking to the deniers at all. I do plan on speaking to the media, and all they want is 4-second sound bites. They want opinions, not facts about thermate. So don't hesitate to come, if only to observe – or you can be official photographer. I'll give you my camera. It is absolutely fascinating to see these people in action. Wear an earpiece! Carry a satchel and point it at them while looking at the sky! Talk to your sunglasses! Ask to see their shoes!

[Gravy]

graaaaaaavyyyyy, loooooossse chaaaaaange booooooys at grooooooound zeeeeeroooo...
Okay, I lied. I could make it to GZ tomorrow, but then I wouldn't be ready for Monday and wouldn't finish the LC guide. I always forget how much longer it takes to write a thorough debunking than to curse at people in my head.

[realitybites]

Okay, I lied. I could make it to GZ tomorrow, but then I wouldn't be ready for Monday and wouldn't finish the LC guide. I always forget how much longer it takes to write a thorough debunking than to curse at people in my head.
The LC Guide doesn't need to be ready for Monday. All you need for Monday are bunches of your pretty flyers which are already done.

Your talents would be better served at Ground Zero.

We need you there.

[defaultdotxbe]

If we testify that you were there spiritually, will you split the million-dolllar paranormal prize with us?

ill be astral-projecting too, so dont give az the million if im the one who appears :)

anyway, too all who will be at GZ, good luck, godspeed, and may the schwartz be with you :D

[Abbyas]

The LC Guide doesn't need to be ready for Monday. All you need for Monday are bunches of your pretty flyers which are already done.

Your talents would be better served at Ground Zero.

We need you there.

I second that. Especially this Sat.

What else do you need to do? Take the cat to the vet? Done. Go grocery shopping? Gimme a list.

Hell, I'll finish the guide for you. Take a look:

Loose Change says that there was a bunch of gold in the basement of the world trade center. But that's stupid because we're not leprauchans.

See? Pithy and biting. Bah, this debunking stuff is a snap!

[gumboot]

According to Google Earth I live 8,811 miles from Ground Zero. It's a bit far. :(

Good luck guys! I'd be there in spirit, if I believed in them...;)

I will have to settle for my Gubmint satellite uplink instead.

-Andrew

[Graham2001]

Sadly I won't be able to make it either, distance aside, I'll be working that day.

But I will be there in spirit.

[CptColumbo]

Good luck to the JREF Ninjas: New York Chapter. Be safe.

[Brainster]

Just a suggestion:

Since President Bush is supposed to be at GZ that morning, have a backup location and time, maybe 1/2 hour later and farther away from the WTC. You never can tell where the Secret Service might set up a perimeter.

ETA: Welcome, Debunk911Myths! Are you that blogger I linked last night? Heck of a catch on Implosion World revealing that Jones is not a PhD!

[Hellbound]

I won't be there, but my GubmintTM issue nanobot surveillance cloud will be watching. They're programed to view the entire event and draw it as a heavy-ink dark comic on 50 grains of rice randomly picked from a bag in a market stall in New Delhi.

Good luck, JREF Ninja Wave (subsidiary of Bush Lacky Enterprises, Inc,; subsidiary of NWO LLC, subsidiary of Jolt Organization, Operations, and Supply (JOOS)).

[azazal]

If we testify that you were there spiritually, will you split the million-dolllar paranormal prize with us?

Yes, yes you can, I can see splitting
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/azazal/Misc/1Million.jpg

[60hzxtl]

Yes. By all means, meet at the Empire State Building's Central Park entrance just on the other side of City Hall. Maybe you can meet at the Statue of Liberty up by 42nd Street. Then take the Brooklyn Bridge right over to Yankee Stadium.

Is that near the corner of "Walk" and "Don't Walk"?

[valis]

I'm only 30 miles away but I don't think I'm educated enough to debunk the myths. Unless "No, you're stupid" is an adequate response.

You could always take a boxcutter and offer to slash at truthers while they demonstrate how laughably easy it is to disarm you. I've been wanting to do that for a while.

[orphia nay]

Good luck, everyone! I'm even further away than gumboot, but metaphorically you'll be close to me on Monday, as always.

My sincerest gratitude goes out to you, and in remembering that terrible day, its victims and its repercussions, I gain hope from your efforts to stifle the execrable, selfish, insane, deluded profiteering that has ensued from the deniers.



(Plus, my shill overlords have just implanted my chip for the mind link-up, so I'll be there in more than fabled spirit.)

[qarnos]

Aren't people in New York supposed to meet at the Empire State Building or something?
Meeting in Starbucks sounds like meeting in Parramatta. Not exotic at all.

Hey, I can be in Parramatta by tomorrow if you like!

There might not be many CTists around, though.

[qarnos]

Light-colored clothing is preferred. The deniers will be in black. Bonus points if you're riding a white horse, especially if it's from Michael Brown's stable.

Has anyone considered going dressed as a member of MIB? That would really freak the CTists out.

Then you can pull out a stick with a red L.E.D. on it... :D

Oh, I wish I could be there!

[homer simpson mode]
Stupid Australia... if only it were in the *northern* hemisphere.
[/homer simpson mode]

[qarnos]

My sincerest gratitude goes out to you, and in remembering that terrible day, its victims and its repercussions, I gain hope from your efforts to stifle the execrable, selfish, insane, deluded profiteering that has ensued from the deniers.

I read this post and my heart sank. It's easy to forget, whilst embroiled in this battle for rationality, that real people died on this very real day. Ordinary everyday people going about their ordinary everyday lives. People like you, me, and even Dylan Avery. I wonder what his take on this would be if one of his family or friends had perished is this horrible attack.

This makes me even more angry at the CTists. But they are irrelevant pieces of so-and-so.

May the victims of that horrible day rest in peace.

EDIT: *embroiled* NOT *embroided*. I am a schmuck.

[Gravy]

Bush to visit Ground Zero on Eve (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-09-10T071634Z_01_N08186074_RTRUKOC_0_US-SEPT11.xml&src=rss) of 9/11.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Bush to visit Ground Zero on Eve (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-09-10T071634Z_01_N08186074_RTRUKOC_0_US-SEPT11.xml&src=rss) of 9/11.

Good lord...

Could you imagine the s___storm that would erupt if the denier nitwits are overheard talking about thier dreamed of revolution by secret service agents?

[Graham2001]

Good lord...

Could you imagine the s___storm that would erupt if the denier nitwits are overheard talking about thier dreamed of revolution by secret service agents?

We can but hope...

[Donal]

Can I just make one small request? Don't turn it into a "I can shout louder" contest with the morons. Its not going to help anyone and the families of the victims don't need that.

Other than that, good luck. I'd be there too, but my commute is actually an hour and a half out of the City.

Sure hope I don't have to read about a brawl in the News on Tuesday.

[David Wong]

You could always take a boxcutter and offer to slash at truthers while they demonstrate how laughably easy it is to disarm you. I've been wanting to do that for a while.

Hey! That's an awful thing to....





...okay, I need a cheap flight from St. Louis to New York and I need it tonight. Are there any hardware stores near Ground Zero?

[60hzxtl]

Hey! That's an awful thing to....





...okay, I need a cheap flight from St. Louis to New York and I need it tonight. Are there any hardware stores near Ground Zero?


Yup - Park Row - just across Broadway.

I will be there, but wearing the credentials of one of the big 3 alphabet networks. I'll be working, and wearing my ninja outfit, complete with a press pass, issued by the NYPD, so I guess that makes me a shill too!

[Gravy]

Yup - Park Row - just across Broadway.

I will be there, but wearing the credentials of one of the big 3 alphabet networks. I'll be working, and wearing my ninja outfit, complete with a press pass, issued by the NYPD, so I guess that makes me a shill too!
And of course you'll work your ninja-fu to get us an interview, right? Don't make me have to streak for attention.

[Kryptos]

Bush to visit Ground Zero on Eve of 9/11.

Here's the President's schedule as provided on Friday in the White House press briefing:

He will depart Sunday afternoon for New York. There will be a wreath-laying, commemorating the 5th anniversary of September 11, 2001, at Ground Zero on Sunday evening, and a service of prayer and remembrance at St. Paul's Chapel in New York. On Monday, breakfast with New York City first responders at a firehouse; also a moment of silence and a ceremony with New York City first responders in commemoration of September 11, 2001.

[60hzxtl]

And of course you'll work your ninja-fu to get us an interview, right? Don't make me have to streak for attention.

I'll try, but I goes where I'se told, I guess that makes me a sheeple too.

Yikes! Don't streak, I've seen the size of your shoes!

(Gravy won't blow over in a windstorm!)

[Gravy]

I'll try, but I goes where I'se told, I guess that makes me a sheeple too.

Yikes! Don't streak, I've seen the size of your shoes!

(Gravy won't blow over in a windstorm!)
The proper decorum will be observed at all times. I'll be wearing my formal tutu. (http://www.thestreaker.org.uk/main.htm)

[realitybites]

The proper decorum will be observed at all times. I'll be wearing my formal tutu. (http://www.thestreaker.org.uk/main.htm)
Wow....

Just....... wow.

[Pardalis]

Holly s* !

:eek:

[Abbyas]

Can I just make one small request? Don't turn it into a "I can shout louder" contest with the morons. Its not going to help anyone and the families of the victims don't need that.

Yes and yes.

I completely agree with you here. Our plan is not to engage them at all.

But to wear tutus apparantly. Dang, 'cause mine's at the cleaners.

[CptColumbo]

I need to scrape my eyes clean now.

[Kryptos]

FYI - The truthers are at GZ now. (1pm - Sunday) I'll go get some pics and scout it out.

[T.A.M.]

As much as I am sure we need the humor of seeing you in a tutu on ABC or CNN, I am not sure it will lend you much credibility. :)

Good luck though


TAM

[Gravy]

Holly s* !

:eek:
You've never seen that guy? He makes it on the news a lot. All the UK stadium security people know him, so he sometimes has to dress in elaborate disguises.

[Gravy]

FYI - The truthers are at GZ now. (1pm - Sunday) I'll go get some pics and scout it out.
Ah! Wish I could make it. Tell Alex Jones I send my love. Go get 'em!

[Pardalis]

You've never seen that guy? He makes it on the news a lot. All the UK stadium security people know him, so he sometimes has to dress in elaborate disguises.

That must be awful to have the same name as this guy... What a bummer (no pun intended :D ).

[Donal]

Well, if tutus are going to be the dress code, I just might show up. Can I bring my sombrero?

[Carnivore]

Good luck to all of you at GZ tomorrow.

[Dog Town]

Good luck guy's, and doll's! Beware of moonbat droppings! Let us know ASAP, how it went. Please. You will be in my thoughts, along with all the Heroes, and Victims!
Salute!
DT

[Brainache]

Yes, best wishes to all.
I think I'll just watch Abby's Video again to cheer me up.

[Kochanski]

I really wish that I could make it. I would take the day off from work but it is not possible this time :(

I do want to hear all about it and see the pics.

[G-K-4]

How often do conspiracy-debunkers visit Ground Zero? Does Ms. Scott still go there? I ask because I would like to interview some of you for a radio show. I may be visiting New York City this Saturday (the 16th), and would like to talk to folks in the street who challenge the conspiracists.

Will there be anyone there, or will the Eleventh tire everyone out?