Steven Jones doesn't have a PHD?

[Brainster]

Color me stunned. According to this new blog (http://www.debunk911myths.org/?p=12), Implosion World has corrected their recent article (http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC9-6-06.pdf) as follows:

Steven E. Jones does not have a doctorate degree, so Implosion World changed the text to refer to him as “Professor Jones”

Scholars for 9-11 Truth appears to have made the change already:

Steven Jones (FM)

Professor of Physics, Brigham Young University, co-chair of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and the creator of its home page and its forum

Oddly, however, Jones continues to be referred to as "Dr Jones" in BYU press releases to the Deseret Morning News (http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,645199800,00.html):

"BYU has repeatedly said that it does not endorse assertions made by individual faculty," the statement said. "We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones.":eek:

[Dog Town]

They still call him Phd., in all the listings of his paper( read: insane rant)!
It is the twilightzone over there. Can anyone confirm it used to say Phd., under the member BS?
http://st911.org/

How the F'en 8rule did we miss this?

[defaultdotxbe]

i never liked calling him doctor jones anyway, theres only one doctor jones

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1b/Indiana_Jones_2.jpg

[Dog Town]

BYU says prof., no Dr or Phd , Jones, S.E. ?
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/papers.aspx

[elgarak]

He DID get a PhD in physics from Vanderbilt University in 1978, and the library of Vanderbilt lists his PhD thesis (http://acorn.library.vanderbilt.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/JoWXwziySJ/CENTRAL/189320108/8/180804/Jones,+Steven+Earl,+1949-) to be in stock.

Unless his PhD has been disapproved, he can still carry the title.

[Dog Town]

The Plot Thickens!
Why does this make me feel the Cter rush?

[tkingdoll]

Is 'Dr' a protected title in the US? It's not in the UK, anyone can use it.

Dr T King.

[Pardalis]

The Plot Thickens!


The word "thick" being the operative word here of course. :D

[Brainster]

He DID get a PhD in physics from Vanderbilt University in 1978, and the library of Vanderbilt lists his PhD thesis (http://acorn.library.vanderbilt.edu/uhtbin/cgisirsi/JoWXwziySJ/CENTRAL/189320108/8/180804/Jones,+Steven+Earl,+1949-) to be in stock.

Unless his PhD has been disapproved, he can still carry the title.

I'll definitely be on the phone with Vandy tomorrow.

[LashL]

Is 'Dr' a protected title in the US? It's not in the UK, anyone can use it.

Dr T King.

Dear Dr. T. King,

All is well.

Regards,

Dr. Lash




~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ see how easy it is?

But, no, seriously, it is protected in the sense that one cannot claim to be a doctor or claim to have a doctorate without actually having said credentials.

If it is true that Steven Jones does not actually possess the PhD credentials that he has purported to have, yes, that would be a big deal as that is the only thing that entitles him to the "doctor" title (which, for the record, I have always thought is weird)

That said, it's hard to imagine that he doesn't actually hold a PhD given that his history isn't exactly a secret.

Is there a popcorn icon here that I can utilize about now?

[Brainster]

Is 'Dr' a protected title in the US? It's not in the UK, anyone can use it.

Dr T King.

Well, he presents himself as a Ph.D. at the Journal of Nine-Eleven Studies (http://www.journalof911studies.com/), which is certainly considered a credential that has to be earned among scholars. If he does have the degree he's going to have a heck of a case against Implosion World.

[tkingdoll]

Well, he presents himself as a Ph.D. at the Journal of Nine-Eleven Studies (http://www.journalof911studies.com/), which is certainly considered a credential that has to be earned among scholars. If he does have the degree he's going to have a heck of a case against Implosion World.

Yes, that's a different case altogether. Of course, one uses either the title (Dr) or the credential, not both together, so it seems unlikely that IF Dr is not a protected title in the US, AND he doesn't have a PhD, he'd use the credential rather than the safer title.

So, my money is on him having a PhD.

[tkingdoll]

Dear Dr. T. King,

All is well.

Regards,

Dr. Lash




~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ see how easy it is?

But mine is less of a lie because I didn't use the full stops :p

[Dog Town]

I can't find any peer review for the C fusion stuff. They would surely list his qual's !

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Well, he presents himself as a Ph.D. at the Journal of Nine-Eleven Studies (http://www.journalof911studies.com/), which is certainly considered a credential that has to be earned among scholars. If he does have the degree he's going to have a heck of a case against Implosion World.

I'm sure implosionworld would be willing to offer an apology and retraction.

If it's corrected by monday, I don't see him having much of a case at all.

[LashL]

But mine is less of a lie because I didn't use the full stops :p

Hmmm, interesting but there are no full stops in PhD either :)


Best regards,
Dr Lash

(better?)

[Dog Town]

I'm sure implosionworld would be willing to offer an apology and retraction.

If it's corrected by monday, I don't see him having much of a case at all.
I guess our first stop should be them. What do they know to retract it?

[tkingdoll]

Hmmm, interesting but there are no full stops in PhD either :)


Best regards,
Dr Lash

(better?)

Yes.

Tracy King PhD (Skep)

[apathoid]

Well, he presents himself as a Ph.D. at the Journal of Nine-Eleven Studies (http://www.journalof911studies.com/), which is certainly considered a credential that has to be earned among scholars. If he does have the degree he's going to have a heck of a case against Implosion World.

Why, for the love of God, would they print a correction if they weren't 100% sure it was correct? There has gotta be some kind of odd twist to this story, I just dont see them making a mistake like that. In any case, it should get interesting ...

:popcorn1

[Brainster]

Hmmm, interesting but there are no full stops in PhD either :)


Best regards,
Dr Lash

(better?)

All I know is that it stands for Piled Higher and Deeper!

[LashL]

I'm sure implosionworld would be willing to offer an apology and retraction.

If it's corrected by monday, I don't see him having much of a case at all.

Implosionworld is entitled to be wrong without being malicious, though.

Questions:

a) are they wrong?
b) when was it published (looks like August 24 as far as I can tell - why on earth didn't any of us - me included - notice it sooner?)
c) what are the deadlines for complaining about errors in publication for purposes of libel in the U.S. and what are the corresponding deadlines for publishing a correction in order to negate or head off a libel action?
d) has Jones suffered any damages as a result of the publication?
e) is there any connection between all of this and BYU sending Jones out to pasture, at least temporarily?
f) does Jones actually have a PhD?
g) proof of f?
h) where's the popcorn?

This could get interesting.

[Lisa Simpson]

All I know is that it stands for Piled Higher and Deeper!

Pfft. There's no 'a' in PhD. It stands for Piled Hip Deep.

[Brainache]

Pfft. There's no 'a' in PhD. It stands for Piled Hip Deep.

Pretends he's Deep?
Pushes hopeless Delusions?

[Brainster]

Implosionworld is entitled to be wrong without being malicious, though.

Questions:

a) are they wrong?
b) when was it published (looks like August 24 as far as I can tell - why on earth didn't any of us - me included - notice it sooner?)
c) what are the deadlines for complaining about errors in publication for purposes of libel in the U.S. and what are the corresponding deadlines for publishing a correction in order to negate or head off a libel action?
d) has Jones suffered any damages as a result of the publication?
e) is there any connection between all of this and BYU sending Jones out to pasture, at least temporarily?
f) does Jones actually have a PhD?
g) proof of f?
h) where's the popcorn?

This could get interesting.

a) I suspect not. Jones's Wikipedia entry notes his PhD from Vandy, so they've got no real excuse for getting it wrong. In addition, it could also explain the suspension today.
b) I think we all missed it because we read it before the amendment was made. I was floored when I saw the blog post. We linked the article way back on August 9.

I think they've got him dead to rights; sure wish I'd seen this during the day when I could have called up; now it will probably have to wait until Monday.

[Dog Town]

Please let this be true. Jeeeziss! If not, no biggie, But....!!!!!

[Orphia Nay]

I've never heard of Vanderbilt University. It sounds like somewhere where you'd buy PhDs. :)

Looking forward to hearing more. Cheers Brainster.
:popcorn1

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I've never heard of Vanderbilt University. It sounds like somewhere where you'd buy PhDs. :)

Yeah... for the going rate of 100k in tuition and 10ish years of your adult life.

Looks legit to me. (http://www.vanderbilt.edu/about.html) I don't know of any 300 acre mail order diploma mills.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Uh ooohhh...

I don't like the looks of this.

If Jones has been engaged in academic fraud over his credentials wich he ostensibly obtained legitimately from Vanderbilt, would it have something to do with the Chancellor of Vanderbilt? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Gee)

"Gee was born and grew up in Vernal, Utah, 171 miles (275 km) southeast of Salt Lake City, to an oil company employee and a school teacher, both Mormon."

[chran]

Search for exotic meson production in the baryon exchange reaction

Whoa! That's an impressive title! :eek:

[R.Mackey]

Vanderbilt is a legitimate university, in Nashville Tennessee.

Unless someone has made a foolish mistake, the only explanation I can think of is that Jones expected to receive a Ph. D., but never did due to some technicality that nobody ever bothered to check.

I'm willing to give Jones the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. My criticisms of him have nothing to do with his credentials.

[brodski]

I'm willing to give Jones the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. My criticisms of him have nothing to do with his credentials.
exactly, weather Jones had 100 PhD's or no PhD, he's still wrong, and a crackpot, and a jerk.

[Peephole]

Anyone thought about emailing implosionworld?

[Dog Town]

Anyone thought about emailing implosionworld?

I did to this ,Mail@Implosionworld.com. Waiting for an answer.

[Gravy]

Anyone thought about emailing implosionworld?
They're aware of it.
Comment by Debunk911 — September 9, 2006 at 3:23 pm (http://www.debunk911myths.org/?p=12#comment-3)
In the ImplosionWorld correction, Brent qualifies Jones not having a doctorate degree with the word “apparently”. I think maybe futher sources are needed to clarify more definitively one way or the other, as Jones’ C.V. states he earned a Ph.D. from Vanderbilt in 1978. I’ll keep looking for more sources and see if I can clarify this more.
http://www.debunk911myths.org/?p=12

[T.A.M.]

Speaking of his credentials, I noticed this on his revised paper (which he seems to have cleaned up to the point of representing a university report at least)...

By Dr. Steven E. Jones
Physicist and Archaeometrist

WTF is an Archaeometrist?

Oh, and you notice the 3rd set of peer reviews was organized by Kevin Ryan. So all of his supposed "peer reviews" are the sham reviews for the sham rag jo9/11s...

TAM

[tkingdoll]

Speaking of his credentials, I noticed this on his revised paper (which he seems to have cleaned up to the point of representing a university report at least)...

By Dr. Steven E. Jones
Physicist and Archaeometrist

WTF is an Archaeometrist?

TAM

Someone who looks at old people's teeth.

[Lisa Simpson]

the branch of archaeology that deals with the dating of archaeological specimens through specific techniques, as radiocarbon dating and amino-acid dating.

[T.A.M.]

well then, everyone here, I officially dub all of you as

CYBERSKEPTOLOGISTS

your honorary degrees are in the mail...lol

TAM

[Dog Town]

I believe you guys, but it ain't in a single dictionary I have found!

[Lisa Simpson]

It would look nice next to my Certificate of Ordination from the Universal Church Triumphant of the Apathetic Agnostic.

[Lisa Simpson]

I believe you guys, but it ain't in a single dictionary I have found!

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Archaeometrist

[Pardalis]

Someone who looks at old people's teeth.

Wouldn't that be the worst job in the world?

[Dog Town]

Thanks, my new dictionary page this will be.

[T.A.M.]

No, to me the worst job, is the guy who gets to take people's sputum samples and spread them on agar plates..

sorry.

TAM

[Kryptos]

I have e-mailed Brent about this, and he replied:

We've never actually seen him refer to himself as "Dr."

If we find something more definitive one way or the other, Brent is willing to issue another clarification.

Yesterday, I noticed the BYU statement which did refer to him as "Dr. Jones" and see that Vanderbilt (1978) is listed in Jones' c.v.

So, I'm beginning to think maybe the Ph.D. is real. I think it's rare for a university to hire a professor that doesn't have a Ph.D, but do know a few that don't have that official qualification and are profs.

-debunk911myths

[Pardalis]

No, to me the worst job, is the guy who gets to take people's sputum samples and spread them on agar plates..

sorry.

TAM


And what about proctologists?

:D

[apathoid]

It would look nice next to my Certificate of Ordination from the Universal Church Triumphant of the Apathetic Agnostic.

Hey, nice to see a fellow UCTAA parishioner :)

[T.A.M.]

I have done both...trust me, sticking a flexible tube up a persons behind is less nauseating (to me anyway) than spreading pus filled mucus across a plate all day.

TAM

[T.A.M.]

I have e-mailed Brent about this, and he replied:



If we find something more definitive one way or the other, Brent is willing to issue another clarification.

Yesterday, I noticed the BYU statement which did refer to him as "Dr. Jones" and see that Vanderbilt (1978) is listed in Jones' c.v.

So, I'm beginning to think maybe the Ph.D. is real. I think it's rare for a university to hire a professor that doesn't have a Ph.D, but do know a few that don't have that official qualification and are profs.

-debunk911myths


If that is the extent of their evidence, than they need to issue an apology in their paper, and delete the existing comment. Since the extent of their comment was within their paper, that may be enough.

TAM

[Pardalis]

I have done both...trust me, sticking a flexible tube up a persons behind is less nauseating (to me anyway) than spreading pus filled mucus across a plate all day.

TAM

I believe your expert opinion. Good thing I only have to deal with pencils and paper. :D

You people in healthcare have my outmost respect! :)

[Elizabeth I]

That said, it's hard to imagine that he doesn't actually hold a PhD given that his history isn't exactly a secret.

A (former) member of our library board of trustees said he had a Ph.D. in biochemistry from the University of Houston. Turned out he didn't - then he said, well, he had completed all the work but his dissertation defense, so he felt justified in using the title. THEN it turned out that he had never turned in a dissertation.

All you have to do is assert it with enough confidence, and people will assume you would never lie about something that could be so easily disproven.

[Belz...]

Steven Jones doesn't have a PHD?

Does he even have a CNS ?

[tsig]

It would look nice next to my Certificate of Ordination from the Universal Church Triumphant of the Apathetic Agnostic.

I see that and raise you one certiticate in the Church One Holy and Aposolic.

You really need to roll your own.

[Brainster]

I confirmed with Vanderbilt University that a PhD in Physics was awarded to Steven Earl Jones on 5/17/78.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I confirmed with Vanderbilt University that a PhD in Physics was awarded to Steven Earl Jones on 5/17/78.

Wich ultimately doesn't change a single thing. If fancy pants titles rendered one immune to criticism, President of the United States of America would trump all.

Anyhoo... I wonder what the good doctor is up to today? ;)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I confirmed with Vanderbilt University that a PhD in Physics was awarded to Steven Earl Jones on 5/17/78.
What? How dare you actually try to confirm, and then post evidence counter to, information that could help your side?

In all seriousness, thanks for the follow up, and the legwork to obtain it.