Big Ups to Gravy and Loose Change agrees to debate!

[Abbyas]

Didn't want to hijack any other threads with this, but knew that you people would appreciate it.

"What is your real name!"

Ask Gravy about his run in with Alex Jones today. Some of the celeb truthers were downtown today with cameras for about 40 minutes to an hour tops.

Good lord, the regular tin-hat truthers are easier to understand than that Jones nutball.

While Gravy was chatting with Mr. Jones, Realitybites and I got a chance to talk with Jason Bermas. Which started when Jason shouts "What is your real name!"

Now, I don't know nearly as much as some on this board, but I was able to help him out with this one.

"His real name's Mark Roberts."
"No it isn't. It's Mark Ferguson." :confused:
"No, it is Mark Roberts."
"What's his job?"
"He's a tourguide."
"Where's he from?"
"Uh, westchester?"
"Did he tell you that?"

Long story a bit less long: Jason told me that he would debate me anytime leaving me open to suggest Gravy instead. "Sure! Fine! Not now though. October."


I also got the chance to speak with Dylan Avery while he was standing off to the side about those overly aggressive gentlemen on his messsage board. Who is much smaller and much shyer than I expected him to be.

A: Hello, Dylan.
D: Hello, Abby.
A: Did you delete that thread about people wanting to beat me up?
D: I don't advocate violence.
A: So, hey! Jason said you were going to debate Mark Roberts!
D: Well, Korey said that...
A: No, no! Jason just now said that you guys would!
D: Well, we're really busy right now with all of this stuff.
A: No, in October! (using all the while my Wow, Isn't this Great For Everyone! voice)
D: If he wants to do that then, he can go ahead.
A: Great!
D: We have to get back to our hotel now and we have to get to [something, something]
A: Okay, good luck, Dylan.

Realitybites has decided that on 9/11, I am to throw panties at him and shout "DYLAN!! WOOO! WE LOVE YOU!"

[Dog Town]

That f'ing rocks. Abby please vid that!
Go Gravy!

[Pardalis]

That f'ing rocks. Abby please vid that!

Yeah, that'll be great.

May I risk a small request? Could the cameraman be a little more careful with the exposure next time (the "iris")? Maybe you could put it on "automatic". The video was great last time but it was way too overexposed.

Sorry for this minor criticism but it would help have a better picture of these nuts... litterally :D

[T.A.M.]

Gravy vs Bermas - and the winner by knock out at 1 second in the first round is....GRAVY...(crowd goes wild!!)

TAM

[Gravy]

Gravy vs Bermas - and the winner by knock out at 1 second in the first round is....GRAVY...(crowd goes wild!!)

TAM
I didn't get to talk to him, but he apparently told Abby that he had one stipulation: he wants to be able to use his computer during the debate. I think it's a grand idea. Look what Google has done for him so far!

[gumboot]

I didn't get to talk to him, but he apparently told Abby that he had one stipulation: he wants to be able to use his computer during the debate. I think it's a grand idea. Look what Google has done for him so far!


It's in case someone asks him what the "other" country Hitler invaded was.

-Andrew

[Pardalis]

With all his "extensive research", one would think he'd know all his facts by heart by now...

[Gravy]

With all his "extensive research", one would think he'd know all his facts by heart by now...
He'd need a heart first.

[Pardalis]

He'd need a heart first.

Touché

[MarkyX]

Did Alex Jones ask Gravy what is his real name?!

[Peephole]

Ask Gravy about his run in with Alex Jones today.
Well???

[defaultdotxbe]

mark ferguson now? that one heck of a name

mark ferguson-roberts-iradian-brainster

[Gravy]

mark ferguson now? that one heck of a name

mark ferguson-roberts-iradian-brainster
I think my name is now Mark Ferguson Iradian Curley Bennett Ferran Fillintheblank Roberts. The Loosers will remind me if I missed anyone.

[Gravy]

Did Alex Jones ask Gravy what is his real name?!
I said, "Iradian. And when you hear a click on the phone, say 'Hi, MarkyX,' because that's me listening in." :D

I'll post about the actual encounter shortly.

[T.A.M.]

seems like the computer would be a good idea, provided both of you have access to one, and provided no instant messaging is aloud.

[Gravy]

seems like the computer would be a good idea, provided both of you have access to one, and provided no instant messaging is aloud.
I meant that the computer was a good idea for Bermas. I don't require one. BTW, instant messages are rarely aloud. :D




[English major mode](Allowed)[/English major mode]

[Lisa Simpson]

Instant messanging can be aloud. For example, I just shouted to my husband to bring me more of The TEA.

[Abbyas]

I think my name is now Mark Ferguson Iradian Curley Bennett Ferran Fillintheblank Roberts. The Loosers will remind me if I missed anyone.

I should have told Bermas, "It's Gravy. Kind of like Madonna or Cher."

[David Wong]

I'm pretty sure if you give me a computer and access to Google, I can debate any subject in the world.


Actually, let me revise that. Give me a computer and access to Google and I can appear to intelligently debate any subject in the world.

That is, I could do a good enough job to fool a random bystander, but of course a real expert would recognize me for what I was right away.

[Gravy]

I should have told Bermas, "It's Gravy. Kind of like Madonna or Cher."
I prefer to think of myself as the Yanni of 9/11 myth debunkers.

[Dog Town]

I meant that the computer was a good idea for Bermas. I don't require one.

Kinda like bringing a knife to a gunfight! For Bermas that is. Atleast you let him arm himself ! That will be the perfect insult! Kick his A**!

[T.A.M.]

:flamed:
got me...damn it.

ALLOWED!!

:)
TAM

[Dog Town]

* In the voice of Howie C *
"Down goes Bermas..., Down goes Bermas" !

[Gravy]

* In the voice of Howie C *
"Down goes Bermas..., Down goes Bermas" !
My favorite Cosell fight quote: "Oh! Oh! Spinks is befuddled!"

[Kochanski]

Damn, wish I got down there today. I was around Astor Place in the afternoon, but had a few errands to run. Would have loved to have seen the fun.

[Dog Town]

"Oh! Oh! Spinks is befuddled!"
Same deal, "Bermas Befuddled" has a familiar ring to it. Hello!
I call it in the 3rd!

[Brainache]

Yeah, that'll be great.

May I risk a small request? Could the cameraman be a little more careful with the exposure next time (the "iris")? Maybe you could put it on "automatic". The video was great last time but it was way too overexposed.

Sorry for this minor criticism but it would help have a better picture of these nuts... litterally :D


I agree. I loved the content, I just wish the camera work was a bit more steady and the exposure levels a bit less blown out.
God I would love to shoot some footage with you guys, but seeing as how I'm about ten thousand miles away, the bloody zoom lens on my old analogue home video camera can't cope.
But either way I can't wait for the next episode of "Abby Does Avery".:)

[Abbyas]

I agree. I loved the content, I just wish the camera work was a bit more steady and the exposure levels a bit less blown out.

I plead google video on some of this. It looked better on the computer.

But, yes, my co-producer and the only one of the two of us that knows anything about camera stuff didn't think to use the day filter.

[Gravy]

Dave Von Kliest, who started the whole 9/11 conspiracy video craze with In Plane Sight, and whose shirt reads "What is this flash?" Answer: the very last of your functioning brain synapses short-circuiting, Dave.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045037f6479f12.jpg
The other deniers left him alone.


I had a long talk with Willie Rodriguez. It was fascinating. Very nice guy, very sincere. It looks like we're arguing, but we're not. It was a very pleasant conversation. The first thing I did was to thank him for risking his life to save others on 9/11. I'll give a thorough report on our conversation in my LC guide update. Yesterday he received from the Port Authority the recordings of him on the radio at the WTC on 9/11. It was the first time he had heard them. He said he cried all night.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045037f6498b2b.jpg
Photo by Abby


Jim Fetzer made an appearance.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/879045037c0c4961a.jpg
That's Abby on the left. RealityBites is disguised as a biker chick at right.



I'll write up my Alex Jones encounter when I get my act together. It was a scream. Literally.

Egad. I just noticed that my hands are still much paler than my forearms, from wearing cycling gloves on two long trips. I haven't worn cycling gloves since the last one, which was three years ago! People, whatever you do, don't ever go out in the sun.

[David Wong]

Jim Fetzer made an appearance.




If you look closely you'll see that's actually Flava Flav.

[kevin]

If you look closely you'll see that's actually Flava Flav.

Man, he didn't age well at all.

[Lisa Simpson]

He got a bit...whiter, too.

[David Wong]

Still knows what time it is, though.

[NickUK]

If you look closely you'll see that's actually Flava Flav.

Fear Of A Black Planet...

Track 3...

Can't be coincidental, surely?

[Kent1]

I wish I was there with you guys. I might be heading out to NY on business in mid October. No question if I'm there I will check out the WTC area.

[CptColumbo]

He got a bit...whiter, too.

Like Gravy said, "don't ever go out in the sun."

[Alareth]

Jim Fetzer made an appearance.If you look closely you'll see that's actually Flava Flav.
Make that Flava Fetz

[JamesB]

I didn't get to talk to him, but he apparently told Abby that he had one stipulation: he wants to be able to use his computer during the debate. I think it's a grand idea. Look what Google has done for him so far!


Good job guys, and gals. Make sure to video it for those of us on the other coast. If he uses a laptop, someone make sure to jam his wireless, just to watch him freak out when he suddenly has to start thinking for himself


They control the weather, man didn't land on the moon, Lynne Cheney is on the board of directors of Hallburton and helped Marvin Bush plant thermite in the World Tade Center, Ack!

[negativ]

I think my name is now Mark Ferguson Iradian Curley Bennett Ferran Fillintheblank Roberts. The Loosers will remind me if I missed anyone.

Change "Fillintheblank" to "Ghengis Adonis Osmosis". It rolls off the tongue a bit more gracefully.

ETA: What are the chances of getting him to "debate" Buzz Aldrin about the moon landings, too?

[TobiasTheViking]

YAY, go abby, go abby

[Donal]

Hmmmm, be careful. he can just throw out a bunch of accusations that you can't verify within a few minutes.

Thats the advantage they have: intitiative and time. You'd need significant time to make sense of whatever crap these rectal breaches can throw at you. And there is no real way to compensate for the shock vaslue of what they say.

[T.A.M.]

Donal:

I agree, that someone like the PM guys are at an unfair disadvantage for the quick pace of a TV Spot "Debate". In a traditional debate setting, however, they might have faired a bit better.

That said, Gravy, and many others here, have been dealing with all the garbage, every bit of it, that Dylan and Jason have been spueing, and they have delt with it here so many times they can reply to it with solid evidence within a second.

When Gravy sits across from them, it will be a completely different story. Plus it will be Bermas alone versus Gravy...no tag teaming.

[negativ]

I really hope this happens, however I sincerely doubt it will. Bermas will back down.

I wouldn't be able to do it. The first idiotic statement out of a LCer mouth would very likely prompt me to make a valiant attempt at strangling them with their own intestines.

I don't deny arrested development (my development was not so much "arrested" as "chained to a cactus in the desert and left for dead").

Gravy is more of a man than I am.

[hellaeon]

I saw the video from ground zero

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ! ! ! ! !

Abbyas, It is good to razz them as you figure and Mark, hats off for taking the time to really bring their arguements to the front, they seemed pretty stupid when having to think rather then sprout the correct cd track in their head.

Be sure to continue the same method as it seems that is what has them on the backfoot. Definately video tape it since a video of the loose change creators being completely debunked would be worth a lot to common sense.

Hats off to your team down there.

[smother]

That said, Gravy, and many others here, have been dealing with all the garbage, every bit of it, that Dylan and Jason have been spueing, and they have delt with it here so many times they can reply to it with solid evidence within a second.


I think Jason knows this. So it's a pretty safe bet that he will only show if he has new garbage to spew. If you look at the history of LC the conspiracy has been ever evolving, more and more elements have been included.

However, the safer bet is that it's a no-show for Jason. He knows that he will get his a$$ handed to him.

[WildCat]

I'll write up my Alex Jones encounter when I get my act together. It was a scream. Literally.
Bumping for Gravy... sorry but I'm dying to hear this!

[money]

So, of the professors they have on their side, one is the goofball in the red shirt and clock, another was a tooth engineer/ keebler elf lady, and the third is has recently been put on leave by BYU and is has a history of cold fusion and trying to convince people that Jesus literally landed somewhere in the Americas.

... what a sad bunch.

[Gravy]

So, of the professors they have on their side, one is the goofball in the red shirt and clock, another was a tooth engineer/ keebler elf lady, and the third is has recently been put on leave by BYU and is has a history of cold fusion and trying to convince people that Jesus literally landed somewhere in the Americas.

... what a sad bunch.
The clock guy was a joke. His name is Joe, I think. He's often at Ground Zero.

[Dog Town]

When Gravy sits across from them, it will be a completely different story. Plus it will be Bermas alone versus Gravy...no tag teaming.

It gives me *goose bumps*! I will send cash to help! Contact C-Span, I bet they eat it up. Pay for prod. cost etc..! Just a thought.

[Axiom_Blade]

I didn't get to talk to him, but he apparently told Abby that he had one stipulation: he wants to be able to use his computer during the debate. I think it's a grand idea. Look what Google has done for him so far!

Jeeze, who does that remind me of??

Oh, yeah!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/zelifcam/kent_hovind.jpg

[G-K-4]

Regarding that computer, I expect it won't be Google they'll use against Gravy. They'll probably try to hit him from the side with unexpected claims and pre-written "debunking" of the debunking.

I have no proof of this, of course, but it's a suspicion. The Loosers are, after all, working on a rebuttal to the Screw Loose change movie. Here's the link to be prepared for counter-arguments:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12824

FYI.

[Stellafane]

I really hope this happens, however I sincerely doubt it will. Bermas will back down.

I wouldn't be able to do it. The first idiotic statement out of a LCer mouth would very likely prompt me to make a valiant attempt at strangling them with their own intestines.

I don't deny arrested development (my development was not so much "arrested" as "chained to a cactus in the desert and left for dead").

Gravy is more of a man than I am.

I definately couldn't do it either. Sooner or later I'd scream something that sounds like "YOU FARKING MORON!!" and that would be the end of that.

[Gravy]

Regarding that computer, I expect it won't be Google they'll use against Gravy. They'll probably try to hit him from the side with unexpected claims and pre-written "debunking" of the debunking.

I have no proof of this, of course, but it's a suspicion. The Loosers are, after all, working on a rebuttal to the Screw Loose change movie. Here's the link to be prepared for counter-arguments:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12824

FYI.
Thanks for pointing that out. "Sanders" is hilarious. Look where he goes on the very first topic:
SLC - No one was to die in this fake terror plot.

SDS - At least SLC calls it what it was, a fake terror plot. ... So ?? Part of the significance of the Northwoods information is that back in the 60�s the US military was already fooling with remote controlled aircraft (another important point lost on SLC). Furthermore, there is controversy about whether all of the passengers on the planes allegedly hijacked on 9/11 were in fact real people. Only a small percent of them have showed up on the Social Security Death index, and even a smaller percentage of families (of the passengers) ever applied for compensation from the government, which was both generous and offered to all the victims, albeit getting the money required the signing of a waiver that the family would not try to sue the airline. Additionally, an abnormally high percentage of passengers worked for or were related to people that worked for the government, particularly the DoD.
An absolute scream. I count 5 errors in that paragraph. Man, I hope he's got stamina.

[Alareth]

You know, I fail to see how essentially making fun of MarkyX and dodging the subject can be considered de-bunking.

The whole thread is laughable self righteous drivel.

[Bell]

Regarding that computer, I expect it won't be Google they'll use against Gravy. They'll probably try to hit him from the side with unexpected claims and pre-written "debunking" of the debunking.

I have no proof of this, of course, but it's a suspicion. The Loosers are, after all, working on a rebuttal to the Screw Loose change movie. Here's the link to be prepared for counter-arguments:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12824

FYI.

I read that some here and there. There 'debunking' goes along the lines of:

LC: mr. X said such and so, and on 9/11 did this or that
SLC: a lot of people did this or that
DSLC: but mr. X did say such and so, we have investigoogled it

CT's: http://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/Crylol.gif

[G-K-4]

It seems to me that part of the conspiracists' strategy in general is to just hurl a barrage of factoids. But it doesn't follow a line of argument, it's "what about this?, and this over here?, and this over there?" Are they hoping that one claim will slip through? Do they expect that the audience will be dazzled by a repetition of disconnected trivia? (The Trivial Pursuit/Google approach to knowledge coming home to roost.) Do they think that a Jackson Pollack painting of woo-spew will outdo a straight line of reasoning?

I'm just asking questions.

To steal from their pop-culture references, one would have to be Neo blocking every thrown punch. It's a lot to catch up with.

Maybe Gravy is The One to do it. ;)

And if this does happen, and if it isn't too far away for me, I would like to audio-record it for FM and internet.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

It seems to me that part of the conspiracists' strategy in general is to just hurl a barrage of factoids. But it doesn't follow a line of argument, it's "what about this?, and this over here?, and this over there?" Are they hoping that one claim will slip through? Do they expect that the audience will be dazzled by a repetition of disconnected trivia? (The Trivial Pursuit/Google approach to knowledge coming home to roost.) Do they think that a Jackson Pollack painting of woo-spew will outdo a straight line of reasoning?

I'm just asking questions.

To steal from their pop-culture references, one would have to be Neo blocking every thrown punch. It's a lot to catch up with.

Maybe Gravy is The One to do it. ;)

And if this does happen, and if it isn't too far away for me, I would like to audio-record it for FM and internet.

It's called poo-flinging. You fling a bunch of poo at a way and whatever sticks you run with. You get the same behavior from almost all of the CTists; they are complete thread gulls(1).




(1) Come in to a thread, crap all over it, and leave without every contributing anything

[chipmunk stew]

.....

Long story a bit less long: Jason told me that he would debate me anytime leaving me open to suggest Gravy instead. "Sure! Fine! Not now though. October."

I also got the chance to speak with Dylan Avery while he was standing off to the side about those overly aggressive gentlemen on his messsage board. Who is much smaller and much shyer than I expected him to be.

.....

A: So, hey! Jason said you were going to debate Mark Roberts!
D: Well, Korey said that...
A: No, no! Jason just now said that you guys would!
D: Well, we're really busy right now with all of this stuff.
A: No, in October! (using all the while my Wow, Isn't this Great For Everyone! voice)
D: If he wants to do that then, he can go ahead.
A: Great!

.....
What ever became of this? October's practically over.

[realitybites]

What ever became of this? October's practically over.
No time to debate the truth Chipmunk! Must go east and court Hollywood!!

::: douses self in Drakkar Noir :::

[Arus808]

No time to debate the truth Chipmunk! Must go east and court Hollywood!!

::: douses self in Drakkar Noir :::

i think you meant west.

[chipmunk stew]

i think you meant west.
SHHH!!! We're hoping they end up in Bollywood and don't notice the difference!

[realitybites]

SHHH!!! We're hoping they end up in Bollywood and don't notice the difference!
Thanks for the cover....

[Bell]

Sooo... Gravy, how did the debate go? Can't wait to see it on Google or YouTube.

[PerryLogan]

Just to put it in perspective: a CT is a person with a genuine mental disorder. So you can't ever "debate" one of them in the usual sense.

I believe CTs are virtually incapable of dialectical thought. They believe and they assert. The poor guys don't usually even understand the arguments that refute them!

So, after you've spoken (assuming they give you the chance), they will simply assert again--preferably with a bullhorn, so you can't interrupt. That's all a CT can do. Of course if things get tough, they will engage in personal attacks.