Never before seen 30 minute video of WTC attacks

[kevin]

Just saw this on Digg, downloading now.

http://www.revver.com/view.php?id=59686

Video taken from a apt 500 yards away from WTC. They weren't going to release it because of the personal nature and the potential for mis-use (big surprise).

[Pardalis]

From a CT debunking point of view, this new angle shows a little bit more how WTC7 was affected by the last collapse, we even can see debris falling onto the penthouse.

[WildCat]

Direct url for the movie (133 MB):

http://media.revver.com/broadcast/59686/video.mov

[T.A.M.]

Seems they missed both impacts. Watch the CTers have a field day with her comment "It was a military plane"...jeezus they eat that **** up.

[kevin]

Seems they missed both impacts. Watch the CTers have a field day with her comment "It was a military plane"...jeezus they eat that **** up.

yeah, i was just thinking the same thing. They also say that the plane went into the same building.

[Katana]

That was a very interesting view of the attacks. It was raw, uncut (for the most part), and without the babble of news anchors. My husband and I have watched very little footage from that day. We still have a difficult time with what we did see. However, we did watch this video. I appreciate the fact that this person filmed as much as she did and chose to show it to the public.

[T.A.M.]

You know something they show that goes against the 9/11 eyewitness story, is the bottom of the north tower just prior to collapse. Ever since the 9/11 eyewitness video was released, CTers have claimed that the clouds of smoke seen coming out near the base of the buildings was proof of explosives going off there...yet on this video, I seem no plume of smoke coming out of the base just prior to collapse.

[WildCat]

You know something they show that goes against the 9/11 eyewitness story, is the bottom of the north tower just prior to collapse. Ever since the 9/11 eyewitness video was released, CTers have claimed that the clouds of smoke seen coming out near the base of the buildings was proof of explosives going off there...yet on this video, I seem no plume of smoke coming out of the base just prior to collapse.
Well of course not, they've had 5 years to CGI it out of the video...

[WildCat]

Finally watched it, wow what a video. Gives a much different perspective than the news channels filmed from.

[Bell]

You know something they show that goes against the 9/11 eyewitness story, is the bottom of the north tower just prior to collapse. Ever since the 9/11 eyewitness video was released, CTers have claimed that the clouds of smoke seen coming out near the base of the buildings was proof of explosives going off there...yet on this video, I seem no plume of smoke coming out of the base just prior to collapse.

Actually, there was a NYPD picture (I think it was used in the Moussaoui trial) which showed smoke coming from the ground floor of WTC 1. I'll see if I can find it again.

About the video. Shocking! I have only one thing to say. The same thing I said 5 years ago, and will keep on saying... MOTHERF#CKERS!!

[gumboot]

A harrowing video. It's amazing how, after so long, the same emotions can be brought to the surface by a fresh video.

One thing that struck me was the enormous number of emergency vehicles outside. I found it just staggering. It gives you a good idea of just how badly this event hit the NY first responders.

-Andrew

[kevin]

One thing that struck me was the enormous number of emergency vehicles outside. I found it just staggering. It gives you a good idea of just how badly this event hit the NY first responders.

-Andrew

Yeah. The siren noise when they opened the windows was phenomenal. The other things that struck me were the weirdness of "This Old Man" baby song playing in the background at first, and how they start to go back to their day when she starts talking on the phone. Then snaps back when the 2nd plane goes in.

This is probably the best video (actually sound) of how people really reacted more than anything else.

[gumboot]

Yeah. The siren noise when they opened the windows was phenomenal. The other things that struck me were the weirdness of "This Old Man" baby song playing in the background at first, and how they start to go back to their day when she starts talking on the phone. Then snaps back when the 2nd plane goes in.

This is probably the best video (actually sound) of how people really reacted more than anything else.


I agree. And after the collapses, when someone is talking about needing to get somewhere? You see the tiny ripples spreading out from these events, affecting the normal lives of millions upon millions of people in small ways. I remember, even over here in Auckland (over 8,000 miles away) we just sat there all through the 12th in a classroom at film school staring at a TV. One of our tutors came in to heard us into a lecture, and ended up sitting down to watch with us.

-Andrew

[Loss Leader]

Thanks for posting the link. I expected today to be just a retread of things we already knew but this brought a fresh perspective. It really helped focus my thoughts today.

[Tamarillicent]

Is there another place to download this video? I tried, got about 10% and then it quit on me, now I can't seem to connect. :confused:

The bit that I saw looked interesting. Different from other clips I've seen.

Thanks!!

[WildCat]

Is there another place to download this video? I tried, got about 10% and then it quit on me, now I can't seem to connect. :confused:

The bit that I saw looked interesting. Different from other clips I've seen.

Thanks!!
Try the direct link I posted, right-click on it and select "save target as" and save it. Should d/l better that way, but you won't be able to view it until it's done.

[Bell]

Could anybody help finding this picture of WTC smoke from the groundfloor? It had a yellow "evidence" sticker on it, and it was taken somewhere southwest of the WTC, with the road and footbridge in it.

I tried the Moussaoui trial pages (www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/) but didn't finf the picture I was looking for.

[CurtC]

The www.revver.com site seems to be unavailable.

[chran]

Just watched it ... that's just gut wrenching. Never knew that the dust clouds were that big at ground level.

[qarnos]

Why, oh, why am I still stuck in the world of dial-up?

Oh, that's right... I'm tight :D

Only 22 hours to go...

In the meantime, it didn't take the LCers long to start up:

"It was a military plane"

I wonder why alot of it was edited out

What’s interesting about that statement is that the news was reporting that a passenger jet hit the tower, they were going on and on about it. Yet she still said it was a military plane that hit the second building. Why would she be so sure it was a military plane unless it really did look like one?

Yeah! Now that phrase was unexpected. I would definitely like to see the whole thing. Also curious is that it doesn't show the initiation of the collapses or the "military" plane hitting.

That also caught my attention.

And some sudden and strange cuts.

These are the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th replies to the thread at http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13254&st=0

But the 8th response is an absolute pearler:

She was at the perfect vantage point to capture any explosions at the bottom of the building but it seemed to have been edited out or missed.

That's right. They didn't see any explosions, so the only two options are they were edited out or missed.

Why are these people wasting their time in the Loose Change forums when their sleuthing skills could be put to better use??? Go, GO!! Your country needs you!

[The_Fire]

[snip] Your country needs you!

...as reactor shields or cannon fodder.....

[Bell]

That's all just to pathetic.

I guess if they did film the plane, they'd say five years was enough time to edit it in using CGI.

[WildCat]

I'm surprised the loosers didn't note the sign in the parking lot at the 18:50 mark, it says "pull up". Clearly the cue to pull the towers.

[Nucular]

Direct url for the movie (133 MB):

http://media.revver.com/broadcast/59686/video.mov

My computer:

13.7 MB of 91MB copied

It's been edited! Where's the missing 42 MB?? Clearly that segment must show the military plane, and the bombs, and the Zionists, and the gubment cackling.

[TobiasTheViking]

get tt from me
http://tobiasserver.ath.cx/hosting/30%20minutes%20of%20never%20before%20seen%20video% 20of%20WTC%20attacks.mov
should be fast enough unless there is a broken pipe somewhere.

That video is horrible..
Not 9/11 deniers horrible.. just 9/11 horrible. :(

But it is good to remember.

It is paramount to remember.

[Bell]

Could anybody help finding this picture of WTC smoke from the groundfloor? It had a yellow "evidence" sticker on it, and it was taken somewhere southwest of the WTC, with the road and footbridge in it.

I tried the Moussaoui trial pages (www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/) but didn't finf the picture I was looking for.

I guess this was the picture I was looking for:

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2005/11/22/7before1-2coll.jpg

[Nucular]

Woah, what a video. The first few minutes before she opens the window are really surreal, they sound so calm and the children's music playing in the background.

It felt like it did on the day, turning on the TV and just going 'blimey'.

"No more World Trade Centre..."

[Class]

In the meantime, it didn't take the LCers long to start up:









These are the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th replies to the thread at http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13254&st=0

But the 8th response is an absolute pearler:



That's right. They didn't see any explosions, so the only two options are they were edited out or missed.

Why are these people wasting their time in the Loose Change forums when their sleuthing skills could be put to better use??? Go, GO!! Your country needs you!

Oh lordy, JackHorner. I know that nutcase from another forum. He is a full-blown Alex Jones worshipper. Belives in the Illuminati, NWO, police state, inside job, etc. His responses do not surprise me in the least.

Now I know why that couple waited so long to release their video.

[T.A.M.]

Bell:

The pic just above, if that is the one, than it is really of no value, as it is way to far away.

It really is irrelivent, unless it showed huge plumes of smoke, as this is what the 9/11 eyewitness video shows. I am now convinced these "plumes" were not from first floor or basement explosives, but likely a stirring up of the dust from the rush of air caused by the collapse. I can see no other cause.

TAM

[TK0001]

get tt from me
http://tobiasserver.ath.cx/hosting/30%20minutes%20of%20never%20before%20seen%20video% 20of%20WTC%20attacks.mov
should be fast enough unless there is a broken pipe somewhere.

Thanks. 4% downloaded so far, but it's only d/ling at 72 kb/sec...

Welp! Time for lunch!

[Mancman]

I guess this was the picture I was looking for:

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2005/11/22/7before1-2coll.jpg

I've seen a video of that cloud on youtube, the smoke is caused by cars set slight by flaming plane debris:

[TK0001]

"Oh my God Lilly's going to daycare there."


...jeebus.

[TK0001]

Did you see enormous smoke cloud coming from WTC7 right at the end of the video?

Amazing how CTists refuse to see that.

[G-K-4]

NIST recently published a FAQ, and among the answers was one about the durations of the collapses of the Twin Towers.

"From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely."
SOURCE: faqs_8_2006.htm (I can't post URL's yet.)

I think this video might add more evidence of a longer collapse time. Look at the 20:00 mark, after the window is closed. It looks like the core is still standing, obscured by dust. And then at 20:06 it looks like the mast is finally falling.

I'm not an expert, so my observations might not be that great. And the actual video would be more clear than the MOV file. But if I'm right doesn't this fit with NIST's recent report? And doesn't isn't this more evidence that the timing of the collapse contradicts the conspiracy theories?

Meanwhile, the conspiracists are considering suspicious the edit right at the beginning of the North Tower collapse. I am willing to bet that if someone asked "Bob and Bri" where the record/pause button was on that camera, they would day it's at the thumb when you hold the camera up. I have accidentally pressed that sort of button under less shocking circumstances, so it isn't a stretch to think that someone at that moment might do the same thing.

[Ceritus]

simply wow..... so very very sad.

[WildCat]

I think this video might add more evidence of a longer collapse time. Look at the 20:00 mark, after the window is closed. It looks like the core is still standing, obscured by dust. And then at 20:06 it looks like the mast is finally falling.
I saw that too, funny how it's the last thing standing since it was cut w/ superthermite...

[RenaissanceBiker]

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[TxLady]

I watched it this morning. I noticed what she said about the military plane too and immediately thought of the ct'ists. Grrrr.
The woman filming reacted the same way I did on that day. I cried and kept saying "All of those people." over and over.

[TobiasTheViking]

Thanks. 4% downloaded so far, but it's only d/ling at 72 kb/sec...

Welp! Time for lunch!

that slow.. how odd.. unless everyone is getting it.. i should be able to sustain 2mbyte/s

[LashL]

I don't blame them for not publicizing that video earlier. As set out in the introduction, it is very personal.

I am glad to see that the makers were wise enough to use a gmail account and not to put their last names online as I have no doubt that the troofers will be bombarding them with hate mail and accusing them of editing out all the "proof" of bombs going off, etc.

[Bell]

Bell:

The pic just above, if that is the one, than it is really of no value, as it is way to far away.

It really is irrelivent, unless it showed huge plumes of smoke, as this is what the 9/11 eyewitness video shows. I am now convinced these "plumes" were not from first floor or basement explosives, but likely a stirring up of the dust from the rush of air caused by the collapse. I can see no other cause.

TAM

TAM, I'm not making any assumptions about the origins of the cloud of smoke (if that is what you thought, that is). It was just to show there was smoke from the ground floor. It is not dust from the collapse, as the south tower still stands. Found another one btw, I think it's a still from the video by that Canadian couple. I believe in both pictures the smoke is from fires.

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/jpg/size600/P200316-1.jpg

ETA: However, it could also be a smudge on the window this picture was taken through?

[Class]

TAM, I'm not making any assumptions about the origins of the cloud of smoke (if that is what you thought, that is). It was just to show there was smoke from the ground floor. It is not dust from the collapse, as the south tower still stands. Found another one btw, I think it's a still from the video by that Canadian couple. I believe in both pictures the smoke is from fires.

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/jpg/size600/P200316-1.jpg

ETA: However, it could also be a smudge on the window this picture was taken through?

Just to point out to you all, see those holes in the tarp roof? Those are from jumpers. And those colored things on the stage? Their bodies. :(

[Arus808]

Just to point out to you all, see those holes in the tarp roof? Those are from jumpers. And those colored things on the stage? Their bodies. :(


wow...just wow.... still takes me back to the Naudet film....

[Bell]

Just to point out to you all, see those holes in the tarp roof? Those are from jumpers. And those colored things on the stage? Their bodies. :(

Yes. It's very sad. I still can't get to grabs with what must have gone through there minds when they fell down :(

ETA: Bolding mine. I much more prefer the term falling.

[gmanontario]

Incredible. This is the first video I've seen where you can actually see the outline of an airplane in the hole in the tower plain as day.

That was some gut-wrenching film to watch. Now let's watch the CT nutbars tell everyone it was a fake and the lady was an actor.

BTW very surreal with kids music playing in the background. Almost Hitchcockian I'd say. :(

[Pardalis]

I thought these screencaps might help show how the heavy debris from the second collapse hit the WTC 7 building
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/888645084950049a0.png
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8886450848c3b2c3d.png
and the fire than ensued.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8886450848c3f1036.png
Of course a moving image shows this better.

[Peephole]

The video destroys the theory that the side that kept standing for a while of the North tower went up in dust. You can clearly see it falling.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Seems they missed both impacts. Watch the CTers have a field day with her comment "It was a military plane"...jeezus they eat that **** up.

Call Mr. Randi, he has 1 million dollars for you.

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/09/amazing-new-911-video-released.html

WARNING: Extreme anti-semitic content on this site. Much worse than what we're normally used to from the CTers. User discretion advised when examing the rest of the site.

[realitybites]

Just to point out to you all, see those holes in the tarp roof? Those are from jumpers. And those colored things on the stage? Their bodies. :(
There's actually footage that was posted by Little Green Footballs that follows one of them down. While I can't say for certain, it looks as though they fell through the stage as well. There's another video that actually does show the plaza level glistening with blood and bodies. You know exactly what you're looking at.

The two videos can be found here (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22529_9-11-2006-_Bear_Witness&only).

WARNING: Graphic and extremely disturbing.

I hesitate posting the link, but for those who choose to do so, I feel it's important to watch, if nothing else than to realize the complete horror of that day.

[CptColumbo]

I really don't want to watch the video again (I started crying when they panned towards the top and I saw a guy hanging out the window and waving), but it looked to me like what I had always taken to be the exterior collumns was the antennae before it fell over.

[CptColumbo]

Sorry, I was pounding my keyboard and double posted.

[CptColumbo]

You may find this incredibly funny or pathetic.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13254&st=90

They think they found a UFO in the video!

And here's where they identify "squibs." The large picture is the one where I think they've identified a falling person. If you can afford a monitor take a look, felt like punching mine.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=13254&st=60

They seem to not know how to accept this video. Either way they accuse the person who shot it of being a part of it, since they kept it hidden so long and didn't get (edited out) the shots they wanted. And you wonder why they kept it hidden so long?

[Bell]

You know, I wish they hadn't released this video. Those Loosers are pathetic.

ETA: UFO probably is/are some papers
Skweeb is probably glass falling down (hence the reflection)

[MarkyX]

There's actually footage that was posted by Little Green Footballs that follows one of them down. While I can't say for certain, it looks as though they fell through the stage as well. There's another video that actually does show the plaza level glistening with blood and bodies. You know exactly what you're looking at.

The two videos can be found here (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22529_9-11-2006-_Bear_Witness&only).

WARNING: Graphic and extremely disturbing.

I hesitate posting the link, but for those who choose to do so, I feel it's important to watch, if nothing else than to realize the complete horror of that day.

Yeah I saw those weeks ago. I used a bit of in my video, mainly to show that when your option is jumping off a 110-story building, the fire is a wee bit hot.

[Bell]

Yeah I saw those weeks ago. I used a bit of in my video, mainly to show that when your option is jumping off a 110-story building, the fire is a wee bit hot.

It really pisses me off :mad: when the deniers start saying that the fire was not hot enough.

CT: Because if it was, that would mean Edna Cintron is SUPAWOOMAH!!!LOL!!1! http://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/Crylol.gif

[realitybites]

It really pisses me off :mad: when the deniers start saying that the fire was not hot enough.

CT: Because if it was, that would mean Edna Cintron is SUPAWOOMAH!!!LOL!!1! http://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/Crylol.gif
Not to defend the CT point of view, but I would think that it was more due to smoke and the need for fresh air (or the inability to get it) than the flames.

But when it comes to making that decision to jump, the "smoke or flames" argument is just semantics.

[Bell]

Not to defend the CT point of view, but I would think that it was more due to smoke and the need for fresh air (or the inability to get it) than the flames.

But when it comes to making that decision to jump, the "smoke or flames" argument is just semantics.

I don't know. I really don't. It still boggles me why those people fell out of the buildings (yes, I know why, but I can't come to peace with it) :(

[BPSCG]

Bump so I can find it later.

[ryanebelhar]

You can see the core standing in the 2nd tower for quite awhile after the collapse starts. Not really free fall is it?

[Bell]

*bump for TAM*

Found the actual picture I was refering to. Provided to you by our buddy Killtown on his website...

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-81/5-15_wtc2-smoke-bottom.jpg

[T.A.M.]

Bell.

Thanks for your vigilance.

That pic definitely, to me, shows smoke, but not a whole lot. Now the other issue, is how soon before the collapse was this, because the big CT claim is IMMEDIATELY before the collapse there were huge puffs of smoke coming up from the bases of the WTCs, which the 30 min video does not correlate.

Thanks once again.

TAM

[Z]

The two disturbing videos are, apparently, no longer available.

Fortunately, in a way.

[Bell]

Would be hard to tell when exactly this was shot. The video shows some smoke before the shot of the collapse, but there is gap inbetween. Could be anything from a few seconds to many minutes. But the smoke, I assume it is from a fire started in the lobby due to jetfuel falling down the elevator shafts, much like as with WTC 1.

[Bell]

The two disturbing videos are, apparently, no longer available.

Fortunately, in a way.

I've seen them earlier today at Google :(

[realitybites]

Bell.

Thanks for your vigilance.

That pic definitely, to me, shows smoke, but not a whole lot. Now the other issue, is how soon before the collapse was this, because the big CT claim is IMMEDIATELY before the collapse there were huge puffs of smoke coming up from the bases of the WTCs, which the 30 min video does not correlate.

Thanks once again.

TAM
I still don't understand the significance of explosions in the lower levels. A significant portion of both cores were still standing momentarily after each collapse. If these explosions were in fact bombs, they failed in their purpose.

[T.A.M.]

[devils advocate]
The Big Explosions just prior to collapse would contribute to the notion of a Controlled Demolition.
[/devils advocate]

I agree with you.

TAM:D

[Bell]

I still don't understand the significance of explosions in the lower levels. A significant portion of both cores were still standing momentarily after each collapse. If these explosions were in fact bombs, they failed in their purpose.

I think the bombs did not do the damage they were supposed to do, much like in '93. Therefor they had this contingency(sp) plan. They rigged all of the towers with thermite or whatnot, to bring them down, if the truckbombs failed. That sound about right? :boggled:

[TK0001]

The two disturbing videos are, apparently, no longer available.

Fortunately, in a way.

Quite. I've been highly tempted each time I scroll past to click. Only a Herculean effort of will has stopped me thus far.

[T.A.M.]

You forgot one thing Bell;

the 3rd contingency, the one they now believe was used.

See, if the bombs failed, and the Thermite didnt go off, they had the Termonuclear device, buried under the gold vault, that was to go off. This in now what they believe happened.

TAM:p

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I still don't understand the significance of explosions in the lower levels. A significant portion of both cores were still standing momentarily after each collapse. If these explosions were in fact bombs, they failed in their purpose.

How many times do we have repost the time delta between hearing the impacts of the planes through the structure, and hearing the impact through the air? I know I've done so at least twice and that the time differential is definitely enough for it to sound like two seperate booms.

[Z]

Quite. I've been highly tempted each time I scroll past to click. Only a Herculean effort of will has stopped me thus far.


WHY DO WE HAVE THIS URGE?

I've contemplated googling 'WTC remains' and suchlike before - but why? I don't really want to see if organic remains images are available.. but I do... but I don't... :confused:

[realitybites]

The two disturbing videos are, apparently, no longer available.

Fortunately, in a way.
I would say it's fortunate. They're the kind of images that will never leave you.

[TK0001]

WHY DO WE HAVE THIS URGE?

I've contemplated googling 'WTC remains' and suchlike before - but why? I don't really want to see if organic remains images are available.. but I do... but I don't... :confused:

In high school I took a chaperoned (sp?) trip to France. We landed in England, spent a few days there, and crossed the English Channel on a ferry to get to France. Everyone on the trip got quite seasick. A group of students and I made the early decision to spend the night on the deck with our eyes on the horizon rather than risk hell inside our cabins. At about midnight, we remembered our chaperone was still in our cabin. Three of us decided to quickly go in and get him.

When we opened the door, we saw he was lying on his bed, forearm across his eyes. I always thought it was just a saying, but the man was green. When he noticed us standing there, he immediately told us not to look in the sink.

One by one, we looked in the sink. :(

I don't understand the urge, either.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Is there another place to download this video? I tried, got about 10% and then it quit on me, now I can't seem to connect. :confused:

The bit that I saw looked interesting. Different from other clips I've seen.

Thanks!!Same for me but I just hit refresh and it loaded. Also you can pause it til it loads, that helps sometimes.

[Skeptic Ginger]

There's actually footage that was posted by Little Green Footballs that follows one of them down. While I can't say for certain, it looks as though they fell through the stage as well. There's another video that actually does show the plaza level glistening with blood and bodies. You know exactly what you're looking at.

The two videos can be found here (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22529_9-11-2006-_Bear_Witness&only).

WARNING: Graphic and extremely disturbing.

I hesitate posting the link, but for those who choose to do so, I feel it's important to watch, if nothing else than to realize the complete horror of that day.They have been taken down...no longer available. Seems we aren't old enough to view actual horror, only the movie versions.

[T.A.M.]

I have looked at them (The fall victim pictures) from the Moussaoui Trial Exhibits. For me it was disturbing, and unpleasant, but my 2 years of work in the ER has numbed me to all forms of death/tissue destruction etc... I have had to pronounce dead, a man with his head blown, literally, in to two halves (think Terminator 2, but a real human being). The silliness was having to officially "Pronounce him dead" as that was so obvious from his...head being blown into two halves.

The reason I looked at them, was to prove a point to people who claim 9/11 was a scam, because there were few "limbs" and parts found. They are right, in that there were little "intact" body parts found...not surprising considering the amount of energy they were subjected to. And believe it or not, a CTer actually tried to counter this arguement...silly.

TAM

[Mancman]

*bump for TAM*

Found the actual picture I was refering to. Provided to you by our buddy Killtown on his website...

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-81/5-15_wtc2-smoke-bottom.jpg

There's a video on youtube that shows this in detail, the fire is at the bottom of the entrance to the footbridge, there were half a dozen cars on fire, creating the smoke.

[Bell]

Linky? Purrlease? :)

[Mancman]

Linky? Purrlease? :)

It was about a month ago that I saw it, and I didn't bookmark unfortunately. When it turns up I'll post it.

[Bell]

Well then, good luck diggin' for that link. Search '9/11' and all you get is that deniers crap. ;)

In the mean time, you migth enjoy this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5683397065827145077&q=7+days+in+september) movie. :)

[Skeptic Ginger]

Didn't think it would bother me but the video from the apartment has made me vaguely uncomfortable all day.

Can't say I 'enjoyed' the movie in your link, Bell, but it was very interesting and well done for capturing people's reactions and feelings. The one person jumping from the tower in it wasn't that big of a deal. I think the sad people with pictures of the missing were more upsetting than the person jumping.

[Bell]

Yeah, sorry, enjoyed was not the right word. I found it interesting because it went on beyond 9/11 itself, and showed how people came together after the attacks. That period seems to be forgotten by the mainstream.

[gumboot]

Yeah, sorry, enjoyed was not the right word. I found it interesting because it went on beyond 9/11 itself, and showed how people came together after the attacks. That period seems to be forgotten by the mainstream.


That's because, according to the media manifesto, emotion-laden inspirational human interest stories are only allowed to be presented from day 2 until day 3 of a tragedy.

After day 3 the manifesto states that the media must focus on finger pointing, prophecising doom and gloom, and criticism of authorities.

It Is Written.

-Andrew