9/11 Memorial - 2006

[realitybites]

I guess I'll kick off the first "report from the field"....

It's all kind of a bit blurry for me as being down there from 8am to 6pm didn't really leave much time to reflect/mourn/etc. All those feelings really didn't hit until the commute home, so forgive me if this comes across a bit distracted.

I'll hand it to the truthers... they had a solid contingent of black t-shirted... people. More than I thought would show, but I'm sure not as many as DylanCo hoped. All the regulars from the Saturday faction, plus a lot of new faces that were there to "educate" (most of whom had to have been skipping class to be there), each with a handful of a certain DVD. Being that there were so many new faces who didn't recognize our little group, we decided to have a contest on which one of us could collect the most copies by the end of the day. (A final tally has yet to be done, but I think I had a pretty good showing.)

A couple scuffles broke out during the memorial. Signs reading "USA Did 9/11", "The Bush Regime Engineered 9/11" both temporarily fell victim to people who didn't take kindly to the message they stated. Some shouting, yelling, swearing, etc. from both sides popped up a couple times.* Unfortunately, this all went down while family members were reading the names of their loved ones.

* I should state that the four of us kept our cool. Those shouting who were on our side were namely members or former members of the Armed Services. And while I wish these confrontations would've happened after the memorial, I can't really hold it against these guys for speaking their mind to these... people.

Then the cameras showed up. And with them, Alex Jones. Gravy got a brief one-on-one with him, but I'll let the master tell that tale.

For me, the low point of the day was when Jones got on his bullhorn, stood at the foot of the graveyard at St. Pauls chapel, and started preaching to the choir. As soon as he started to speak, the black shirts immediately dropped what they were doing, and flocked to the curbs to see their "father" in action. In hindsight, it boggles my mind that they have the audacity to refer to us as "sheeple". He then led his disciples in a repetitive chorus of "9/11 was an inside job."

.... At Ground Zero.

........ On 9/11.

The last time I saw such a sickening display of humanity was exactly 5 years ago.

The highlight of the day for me (personally anyway), was going up to an active Army member, shaking his hand, and sharing a brief hug. I thanked him. He thanked me. And that was it. I immediately thought of my sister and brother-in-law who currently are over in Afghanistan and couldn't help but tear up a bit. Regardless of your stance on the war going on, these men and women are risking their lives. One has to appreciate that.

All in all, I felt the response from John Q Public in regards to the truthers was one of either casual dismissal or downright anger. They definitely drew a crowd wherever they went, but for the most part, they were preaching to their own.

More stories if/when I think of them. I gotta' go email my sis.

Never forget.

[Dog Town]

Thank You !

[Bell]

That's a good action, RealityBites! Cheers to you and the fellow 'sheep'.

To sad the troofers used 9/11/06 to scream out their BS while the people who died there on that day, five years ago, where remembered.

Did you film all of this?

[realitybites]

That's a good action, RealityBites! Cheers to you and the fellow 'sheep'.

To sad the troofers used 9/11/06 to scream out their BS while the people who died there on that day, five years ago, where remembered.

Did you film all of this?
We didn't have a camera, but there was a guy who followed Gravy around quite a bit and was going to send him a copy, so.... Hopefully we can get that uploaded somehow.

I'm sure pictures will be forthcoming.

[Bell]

I hope the NYPD set up a large perimeter? That the troofers didn't gbet close to GZ at all?

By the way, LOL at all their expectancies about getting a lot of airtime on the mainstream media. CNN didn't mention the CTs at all. How about the other channels? (Oh, I know, they are all controlled by the Zioniost)

Anyway, my hat off to all of you who confront the deniers. Even if I lived in NY, I'm not sure I would be that educated to confront those morons. I really appreciate your effort.

[WildCat]

I did not see any coverage of the idiots today, thank you msm!

[defaultdotxbe]

I did not see any coverage of the idiots today, thank you msm!

problem is its not evidence of how small and insignificant their movement is, its evidence that the MSM is trying to keep them down, so they MUST be on to something!

cant wait to see what the LC forums make of this :)

[MarkyX]

Fox News gave a 2 minute review, although they also added in a guy who investigated the debris of the WTC an ass whoppin'

[Graham2001]

Wonderful account, the bit with the troofers all chanting in unison is scary.

They'll do anything to get media attention and all without one-thought to the consequences.

[Lisa Simpson]

The black shirters with their chanting is a rather frightening image. I'm glad you guys were there to represent reason.

[defaultdotxbe]

The black shirters with their chanting is a rather frightening image.

i bet it looked alot like this

http://xbehome.com/screwloosechange/pictures/architect_c_piepenburg_185.jpg

[Graham2001]

I did not see any coverage of the idiots today, thank you msm!

The closest I can find was this item (http://tinyurl.com/kwfjh) in the New Zealand Herald. The rest of the worlds media seems to be giving the CTS the flick.:D

Which rather sadly will only provide more 'grist' for the CTs mill.:mad:

[Axiom_Blade]

Then the cameras showed up. And with them, Alex Jones.

Ah, yes. Now, there's a guy I'd like to see eat some undercooked chicken.

[Pardalis]

Never forget.

Never forget.

[Bell]

i bet it looked alot like this

http://xbehome.com/screwloosechange/pictures/architect_c_piepenburg_185.jpg

Now now, I'm sure you didn't mean to compare them to a group of facist Nazi followers, now do you?

Look at what intelligent debate the Troofers are able to:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7618

[Abbyas]

It was beautiful. Just getting a chance to shake the hands of so many firefighters, police officers and men in service was the highlight of my day.

A close second is being briefly harrassed by a gentleman that I am 99.999% sure is JohnDoeX. I was watching some of the more idiotic truthers get into a loud shouting match with a woman (not a heck of a lot of the silent reverence on their part promised by Avery), when I hear, "Are you enjoying this Abby Scott?" He later came up and asked me some questions about my suppressing people and Sibel Edmonds without letting me answer. When he told me he wasn't into this controlled demolition stuff, I said, "You are JDX, aren't you!" When he was finished not listening to me, one of the other truthers said, "He wasn't very nice."

Not all of the truthers were nutsos. Some listened when we spoke, some shook their heads and looked away from Gravy's photo evidence and quotes, some talked about how you can fold a 20 dollar bill into the Twin Towers.

I want to commend Debunking911Myths, a recent addition to this forum. She was incredibly brave, extremely knowledgable, patient and reverant.

Mark Roberts had to be seen to be believed. He was articulate, patient (as well as he could be) while not letting anyone that he could see get away with making false statements to the press.

In fact, by the end of the day, it had incredibly clear to many folks that this was the man who knew what he was talking about. I was speaking with a few conspiracists, volunteer fireman, the girlfriend of another fireman and a bunch of onlookers when I was asked for proof of the quotes from firemen re: WTC7. I asked where was Mark's binder when I saw Gravy wave. Immediately, the crowd parted for him and many cheered. And where Alex Jones would have rushed in and started feeding off the conflict and hoots and hollers, Mark modestly said, no, no, this wasn't a time for cheering.

I cannot say how glad I am that these black shirts didn't get the media attention they had counted on. This day was not for them.

[Bell]

I cannot say how glad I am that these black shirts didn't get the media attention they had counted on. This day was not for them.

Here here!!

I'm really glad people like you are going to GZ to challenge the stupid claimes made by these deniers.

Allthough I still believe you are part of the plot ;)

[Regnad Kcin]

Thank you to all who were present. Your spirit and demeanor (and information) should speak volumes.

[apathoid]

Many thanks Realitybites, Abby, Gravy, and Kate(debunking911myths). You guys rock.

[David Wong]

So... when they were all standing together, in black, chanting slogans... none of them looked around and said, "wait as second! I think we're the bad guys!"

[LashL]

Terrific accounts, realitybites and Abby. Thank you.

[gumboot]

In fact, by the end of the day, it had incredibly clear to many folks that this was the man who knew what he was talking about. I was speaking with a few conspiracists, volunteer fireman, the girlfriend of another fireman and a bunch of onlookers when I was asked for proof of the quotes from firemen re: WTC7. I asked where was Mark's binder when I saw Gravy wave. Immediately, the crowd parted for him and many cheered. And where Alex Jones would have rushed in and started feeding off the conflict and hoots and hollers, Mark modestly said, no, no, this wasn't a time for cheering.

:cheerleader4

Aww you guys rock.

:grouphug5

-Andrew

[Mercutio]

Mark Roberts had to be seen to be believed. He was articulate, patient (as well as he could be) while not letting anyone that he could see get away with making false statements to the press.

In fact, by the end of the day, it had incredibly clear to many folks that this was the man who knew what he was talking about. I was speaking with a few conspiracists, volunteer fireman, the girlfriend of another fireman and a bunch of onlookers when I was asked for proof of the quotes from firemen re: WTC7. I asked where was Mark's binder when I saw Gravy wave. Immediately, the crowd parted for him and many cheered. And where Alex Jones would have rushed in and started feeding off the conflict and hoots and hollers, Mark modestly said, no, no, this wasn't a time for cheering.

Perhaps something for another thread (this one is for sincere and heartfelt congratulations and thanks!!!!!!!!), but I would love to purchase (y'all have earned profit on this) a copy of said binder; as I have written elsewhere, we have a member of "scholars for 9/11 truth" on our faculty, and if anyone ever wants a debate, I can't think of a better resource to have on hand.

[T.S. Gordon]

I too wish to say thanks for your report on today's activities at GZ. It was a somber day for America as well. You have described a familiar song-and-dance, all too reminiscent of the Nixon years.

Evidently, few, (if any,) of your respondents have ever had the chance to actually work in the trade towers, or live near them as I have done. My best friend from high-school owns a loft building on Hudson St where I stayed off and on for about 2 years. "Doc" was pronounced with a terminal illness shortly after 9/11, and we've yet to see what may become of his health as a result of breathing what he and his wife described as:" 1" of dust throughout the apartment, and 3" or 4" on each window sill."

Only through 'complete pulverization' could such an event occurr this far from the site. I have seen two such demo-operations 'live,' and seen about 12 early documentary films from the work of Controlled Demolition, Inc. This info was circulated widely, (some on VCR tape) right up until the time Controlled Demo. took center-stage in the NYC Metro area. Their first job-site was in New Jersey, just East of the big racetrack. (Dogs, horses, I forgot which?)

Being an 'Arkie,' (and therefore, anti-Texan from birth,) I noticed their sign right away, and when I asked my friends at Turner Construction about their presence in this market, they were unable to comment beyond the usual things the trade-journals had to say. They were just 'clearing land' for some major public-works type project, and my bet is that there is broad physical evidence of CDI's work there today.

Elsewhere on this site, I notice some of your readers have made note of my final descriptive narative about the "take-over" of the Twin Towers. My story is certainly difficult to read, and I apologize foir my arcane use of language. It took me all of 3 years to carefully explain these events with this degree of clarity. Unlike the live witnesses,or those who were tied to the properties through their careers, I was, however incidental, an actual 'participant' in the act of murder. This makes me especially vulnerable in the face of Dr. David Ray Griffin's complaint; that there is a MORAL imperative beneath the '9/11' issue for all of us.

The 'theory' behind the [sic] "War on Terrorism" is that one should be "safe, not sorry."

Where then is it manifest that we should not all take the same outlook, when it comes to addressing the clear and present dangers built into our now dysfunctional 'two-party' Corporate Government?

Today, my Doctor and I stood in the rain for 3 hours with a huge sign that read: "9/11Truth!" He too believes this is THE sentinal issue of our time, and he's running for the Arkansas Legislature, just to make this point loud and clear.

[alfaniner]

I think I'm glad to say that the first time I heard of "black shirts" was in this thread.

[WildCat]

Evidently, few, (if any,) of your respondents have ever had the chance to actually work in the trade towers, or live near them as I have done. My best friend from high-school owns a loft building on Hudson St where I stayed off and on for about 2 years. "Doc" was pronounced with a terminal illness shortly after 9/11, and we've yet to see what may become of his health as a result of breathing what he and his wife described as:" 1" of dust throughout the apartment, and 3" or 4" on each window sill."

Only through 'complete pulverization' could such an event occurr this far from the site.
I'm sorry about your friend, but this is where you get off track. A controlled demolition relies on gravity to pulverize the buildings, not explosives. Pulverization is evidence of the release of stored energy due to gravity, not evidence of explosives.

[Kopji]

CNN spent considerable time debunking 911 CT today.

[Abbyas]

Perhaps something for another thread (this one is for sincere and heartfelt congratulations and thanks!!!!!!!!), but I would love to purchase (y'all have earned profit on this) a copy of said binder; as I have written elsewhere, we have a member of "scholars for 9/11 truth" on our faculty, and if anyone ever wants a debate, I can't think of a better resource to have on hand.

I really don't think it's anything you can't put together yourself. It's just a comprehensive collection of photo evidence and quotes that shuts down some of their bigger arguements. Although the "Sensible Person" stickers that came in El Binder del Gravy today were really quite special.

[defaultdotxbe]

I'm sorry about your friend, but this is where you get off track. A controlled demolition relies on gravity to pulverize the buildings, not explosives. Pulverization is evidence of the release of stored energy due to gravity, not evidence of explosives.

furthermore, "complete pulverization" is counterproductive as far as CD is concerned, mountains of dust are much more difficult to clean than large chunks, and as you can see it can cause severe health problems

as wildcat says, its a result of the release of gravitaional potential energy


the towers weighed about 900,000,000kg, at an average height of 200m

900,000,000x200x9.8 = 1,764,000,000,000, thats 1.7 terajoules of potential energy PER TOWER, thats the equivilent of about 600 tons of TNT

[dubfan]

Many thanks Realitybites, Abby, Gravy, and Kate(debunking911myths). You guys rock.

+eleventy-billion.

Haven't had a chance to be here much lately (new day job), but I wanted to post briefly to thank Team JREF Ninja Wave (NYC Brigade, aka, the 101st Fighting Fetzers).

[qarnos]

I have only been in this forum a short while but it has been immensily obvious to me how much Gravy knows his stuff and, perhaps more importantly, how good he is at getting it across.

I would have loved to see him in action, but I already have a mental picture which would be pretty hard to top! He could debate that the Earth is a cube and win.

Thanks to all of you for flying the flag of rationality. I am so glad the black-shirts weren't able to get much camera time.

But how did you guys manage to keep your cool? I would have lost it, for sure.

[orphia nay]

Many thanks Realitybites, Abby, Gravy, and Kate(debunking911myths). You guys rock.

I really just want to say exactly the same thing.

Although I think I'll add in my own words that I have the utmost admiration for you guys for the fact that while the deniers/revisionists make obnoxious fools and [rule8]s of themselves, you show dignity and honour, and respect for the bereaved.

Realitybites, that was a well-written, heartfelt summary. Again, thanks very much.

[jhunter1163]

I was there yesterday, couldn't find Gravy and the gang amid the crowds, not for lack of looking though. I got there late, after all the ceremonies (around 10:30) and spent a good long time wandering the site. Some highlights for me:

1. Two Marines, in uniform, arguing with two Troofers, with two of NY's Finest standing and watching. I think the Marines would've gone after the Troofers if the cops hadn't been there. I also think the cops wouldn't have stopped them if they had.

2. Walking up behind a reporter talking to a Troofer on camera, saying "You realize this guy's full of (rule8)", and walking away.

3. Ringing the bell.

4. Hearing the names being read.... really brought it home for me.

I'd say there were maybe a hundred Troofers there, all in their black shirts. I couldn't help but think of the Italian fascist Blackshirts.

[Mercutio]

I really don't think it's anything you can't put together yourself. [snip]
Oh, I agree, of course... I ask for 2 reasons: incredible laziness on my part, and the chance to give Gravy (and the rest of you) a chance to recoup some of the substantial time, effort, and money you have already put out on this thing.

[Kryptos]

This was my first time joining the gang at GZ. While I live in DC, I'll be back from time to time on Saturdays. Their antics at GZ (spewing nothing but lies especially on 9/11, with some such as Alex Jones disparaging the FDNY) annoy me, and they can't be the only voice out there talking to tourists and reporters. Granted (fortunately), the only reporters talking to them were from minor media outlets and didn't have press passes to get into see the actual ceremonies for the families. Major outlets such as NBC, and we ran into a group of reporters from Australia that said explicitly that they were here for the families and wanted nothing to do with the truthers. We ran into Dylan (snapped a picture), and Alex several times (his behavior was especially outrageous). I was hoping maybe to get a picture of him being arrested, but fortunately the scuffles never got that nasty. I'm staying across the street from the WTC site, so went back down there and walked around late at night when the place was devoid of truthers. There were several firefighters there with a firetruck equipped with televisions showing footage of that day. For quite a while, the firefighters were telling stories to a small group of us.

-Kate

[Kryptos]

A highlight (don't know if I'd call it that) was a scuffle between an ironworker who worked here in the recovery efforts, and the truthers. My camera can take some short video clips. Will post, and provide link when I get up to 15 posts here.

[Kryptos]

Will also provide link to my pics, which are on Flickr right now.

[Bell]

Yoy can post the links anyway. Just don't type the http:// thingy.

[Kryptos]

I just want to add, I'm very impressed with Mark and his binder. He was very well spoken in explaining everything, and a treasuretrove of facts and information. Many of the truthers turned their heads away from the binder when Mark pulls it out. They can't face the facts.

[realitybites]

This was my first time joining the gang at GZ. While I live in DC, I'll be back from time to time on Saturdays. Their antics at GZ (especially on 9/11) annoy me, and they can't be the only voice out there talking to tourists and reporters. Granted (fortunately), the only reporters talking to them were from minor media outlets and didn't have press passes to get into see the actual ceremonies for the families. Major outlets such as NBC, and we ran into a group of reporters from Australia that said explicitly that they were here for the families and wanted nothing to do with the truthers. We ran into Dylan (snapped a picture), and Alex several times (his behavior was especially outrageous). I was hoping maybe to get a picture of him being arrested, but fortunately the scuffles never got that nasty. I'm staying across the street from the WTC site, so went back down there and walked around late at night when the place was devoid of truthers. There were several firefighters there with a firetruck equipped with televisions showing footage of that day. For quite a while, the firefighters were telling stories to a small group of us.

-Kate
Thanks again Kate for coming up. And let us know when you'll be visiting again.

[Kryptos]

Ah, I'm almost up to 15. It's easier if people can just click the links.

[realitybites]

I just want to add, I'm very impressed with Mark and his binder. He was very well spoken in explaining everything, and a treasuretrove of facts and information. Many of the truthers turned their heads away from the binder when Mark pulls it out. They can't face the facts.
It's a wonder to behold him just fire off facts right off the top of his head. Doesn't matter how trivial. Mark knows it. The floors that were burning in WTC7? There were 12. They weren't consecutive. But Mark knows them. I honestly probably spent more time just watching him in action than anything else.

[Kryptos]

Probably will be Oct 7. Will keep you posted, and in the mean time I will keep pouring through all the reports, firefighter testimonies, etc. and find things to refute the CTs. I'll see what more I can find out about the 84 videos taken by the FBI. I'm quite sure the FBI testified under oath (this means nothing to CTs), at the Moussaoui trial that the Sheraton never had any video - nothing for the FBI to take. There is another hotel, the Doubletree, that they did take video from. But it is located over in Crystal City and has a view (from across the highway) of a different side of the Pentagon.

[60hzxtl]

:mad: I was supposed to cover this for a major network. I got my call time and place. When the assignments were handed out, I got to be "standby" which meant the cameraman and I sat in the truck uptown and waited for anything else that might happen that day. (Network newsworthy, ships sinking, octuplets being born, pictures of James Randi appearing spontaneously in oatmeal. . . )

We sat in the truck. Nothing happened. I went home. :mad:

I got paid for the day. But I was no where near gz for the first time in 5 years. Thanks for your work guys.

[Kryptos]

BTW, on Saturday, the Pentagon was open to the public for tours. Not widely advertised, so the lines were very short, and I happened to be by there. So took advantage of that opportunity. Unfortunately, no photography is allowed on Pentagon grounds. Nonetheless, it was interesting to say the least. They have a nice memorial inside, and a small interfaith chapel.

[realitybites]

:mad: I was supposed to cover this for a major network. I got my call time and place. When the assignments were handed out, I got to be "standby" which meant the cameraman and I sat in the truck uptown and waited for anything else that might happen that day. (Network newsworthy, ships sinking, octuplets being born, pictures of James Randi appearing spontaneously in oatmeal. . . )

We sat in the truck. Nothing happened. I went home. :mad:

I got paid for the day. But I was no where near gz for the first time in 5 years. Thanks for your work guys.
Ugh. That's poop dude. Make up for it by coming down on Saturday. :)

[Kryptos]

Here's the link to my pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmf164/sets/72157594278772438/

My pics start out on Saturday night, when I happened to be passing by the Pentagon and noticed (unexpectedly) a special tribute light display that they had on. Stopped at the Citgo, went over the small hill, and down closer towards the Pentagon to get pictures.

Sunday, I was in NYC (confronted some truthers), later spent two hours behind a security barricade across the street from St. Paul's Chapel where President Bush was attend a memorial service and events. Despite the inconvenience, did get a glimpse of the President and saw Senator Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Governor Pataki, Mayor Giuliani, and other notables.

And, yesterday I spent the better part of the day with Mark & co. Late at night, went back down to GZ and walked around (in peace w/o the truthers).

[Brainache]

:mad: I was supposed to cover this for a major network. I got my call time and place. When the assignments were handed out, I got to be "standby" which meant the cameraman and I sat in the truck uptown and waited for anything else that might happen that day. (Network newsworthy, ships sinking, octuplets being born, pictures of James Randi appearing spontaneously in oatmeal. . . )

We sat in the truck. Nothing happened. I went home. :mad:

I got paid for the day. But I was no where near gz for the first time in 5 years. Thanks for your work guys.

I've had many days like that as a soundo. At least it gets you out of the office.

[gumboot]

Here's the link to my pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmf164/sets/72157594278772438/


Thank you so much for sharing your photographs. Some of them are stunning. The Pentagon looked truely beautiful in your pics! (I've always thought it looked rather ugly!).

And thank you for your work on the day, representing for the truth!

-Andrew

[realitybites]

Here's the link to my pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmf164/sets/72157594278772438/

My pics start out on Saturday night, when I happened to be passing by the Pentagon and noticed (unexpectedly) a special tribute light display that they had on. Stopped at the Citgo, went over the small hill, and down closer towards the Pentagon to get pictures.

Sunday, I was in NYC (confronted some truthers), later spent two hours behind a security barricade across the street from St. Paul's Chapel where President Bush was attend a memorial service and events. Despite the inconvenience, did get a glimpse of the President and saw Senator Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Governor Pataki, Mayor Giuliani, and other notables.

And, yesterday I spent the better part of the day with Mark & co. Late at night, went back down to GZ and walked around (in peace w/o the truthers).
Awesome photos Kate. Really moving. Thanks so much for sharing them.

[Hutch]

Well done all.

Very well done.

[Brainster]

Mark Roberts had to be seen to be believed. He was articulate, patient (as well as he could be) while not letting anyone that he could see get away with making false statements to the press.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

We are fortunate indeed to have him on our side!

[Mancman]

For me, the low point of the day was when Jones got on his bullhorn, stood at the foot of the graveyard at St. Pauls chapel, and started preaching to the choir. As soon as he started to speak, the black shirts immediately dropped what they were doing, and flocked to the curbs to see their "father" in action. In hindsight, it boggles my mind that they have the audacity to refer to us as "sheeple". He then led his disciples in a repetitive chorus of "9/11 was an inside job."


Oh lord, that thought of that makes me squirm.

Thanks for your accounts guys.

[gumboot]

Oh lord, that thought of that makes me squirm.

Thanks for your accounts guys.



Hearing the name "Alex Jones" makes me squirm. Any time I hear his name I picture him in "TerrorStorm" ranting "Do you think men in a cave, do you think men in a cave were able to make NORAD stand down?"

Ugh.

-Andrew

[chipmunk stew]

This is for the NY squad:
:yahoo :wave1 :yahoo
:grouphug5

[Regnad Kcin]

I too wish to say thanks for your report on today's activities at GZ. It was a somber day for America as well...Welcome to the forum.

If you'd like to discuss your opinions on any of the relevent issues, please start or join another thread.

Thank you.

[DavidJames]

A close second is being briefly harrassed by a gentleman that I am 99.999% sure is JohnDoeX. I was watching some of the more idiotic truthers get into a loud shouting match with a woman (not a heck of a lot of the silent reverence on their part promised by Avery), when I hear, "Are you enjoying this Abby Scott?" He later came up and asked me some questions about my suppressing people and Sibel Edmonds without letting me answer. When he told me he wasn't into this controlled demolition stuff, I said, "You are JDX, aren't you!" When he was finished not listening to me, one of the other truthers said, "He wasn't very nice."I just saw this. Interesting, it's hard to believe he would pull himself away from his computer long enough to go down there. In addition to being 26 and been flying for 20 years and being in middle school when Iran Contra was publicized, recently he's also declared himself a cancer survivor and that he speaks 3 languages.

Any of this come through to you when you saw him?

[Shrinker]

I just saw this. Interesting, it's hard to believe he would pull himself away from his computer long enough to go down there. In addition to being 26 and been flying for 20 years and being in middle school when Iran Contra was publicized, recently he's also declared himself a cancer survivor and that he speaks 3 languages.

Any of this come through to you when you saw him?

Was he wearing a rented pilot uniform?

[realitybites]

I just saw this. Interesting, it's hard to believe he would pull himself away from his computer long enough to go down there. In addition to being 26 and been flying for 20 years and being in middle school when Iran Contra was publicized, recently he's also declared himself a cancer survivor and that he speaks 3 languages.

Any of this come through to you when you saw him?

Abby had most of the contact with him, so I'll let her speak on that. I did see him in action with his camcorder and cigarette, filming things. Cancer survivor never once crossed my mind.

A couple other adjectives did however.

[Abbyas]

Cancer survivor never once crossed my mind.

Well, maybe it wasn't him. Just another angry, inarticulate man with poor social skills. Used all the JDX talking points, though.

Also, I would also like to give thanks to our RealityBites for his tenacity and passion. He is totally my new BFF.

[realitybites]

He is totally my new BFF.
Abby, we have to be BFF. It's in our CIA clause.

... Re-read your contract.

[Dog Town]

Was he wearing a rented pilot uniform?

Every time I hear about this kook now, I think of your R. Quaid av, and LMAO!

[gumboot]

Since the two of you are here, you both rock. Awesome work guys.

Reality, those music peices were beautiful (though I kept waiting for some drums to start up!)

-Andrew

[kookbreaker]

. Used all the JDX talking points, though.


How did he do that? Did he keep trying to push an imaginary 'Ban' button next to Abby?

[DavidJames]

How did he do that? Did he keep trying to push an imaginary 'Ban' button next to Abby?:D Now I have this image in my head of that scene in "Being There" when Chauncy tries to use his remote to "turn off" the kids hassling him.

[realitybites]

Reality, those music peices were beautiful (though I kept waiting for some drums to start up!)
I agree. Although it's kinda hard to beat a 1500+ member brass chorale.

[Axiom_Blade]

The 'theory' behind the [sic] "War on Terrorism" is that one should be "safe, not sorry."

Where then is it manifest that we should not all take the same outlook, when it comes to addressing the clear and present dangers built into our now dysfunctional 'two-party' Corporate Government?

This doesn't have anything to do with 9-11 denial. These are separate topics.


Today, my Doctor and I stood in the rain for 3 hours with a huge sign that read: "9/11Truth!" He too believes this is THE sentinal issue of our time, and he's running for the Arkansas Legislature, just to make this point loud and clear.

9-11 is past, 5 years now. There are important issues that need to be tackled: health care, education, and, of course, this war. The Denial Movement is a dead-end street in the worst way. They're not going to change anything; at least, not for the better.

At best, they're suckers trying to convert other suckers into their sucker cult.
At worst, they'll end up as some alarming story on the evening news.