The Matrix Re-censored

[Gem]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030611/en_afp/egypt_us_cinema_matrix_030611170319

The director of artistic censorship, Madkur Thabet, said that "despite its excellent technical level, the film was banned because it deals with subjects like human existence and creation.

"The Mullah has you...":D

Gem

[Frostbite]

Haha. Retards. They don't know what they're missing.

[corplinx]

What's worse? That or French style censorship where they don't allow the movie to be shown in order to "protect" the market for their own films.

[Jedi Knight]

lol, yep, and to think American political correctness diversity police say it is cool and fashionable to respect hostile regimes like that.

I hope those regimes are torn asunder and rendered to the ground in ash. That is my form of political correctness.

JK

[ZeeGerman]

Originally posted by corplinx
What's worse? That or French style censorship where they don't allow the movie to be shown in order to "protect" the market for their own films.

???
you have evidence for that?

Zee

[corplinx]

Originally posted by ZeeGerman


???
you have evidence for that?

Zee

http://www.american.edu/TED/FRENCHTV.HTM

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by ZeeGerman


???
you have evidence for that?

Zee

That is a well-known problem in France by the entertainment industry.

JK

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I hope those regimes are torn asunder and rendered to the ground in ash. That is my form of political correctness.

JK

haha. well said.

[ZeeGerman]

Originally posted by corplinx


http://www.american.edu/TED/FRENCHTV.HTM

While I agree that this form of cultural protectionism is nonsense, where does it say that the Matrix part 2 is banned from french cinemas?

It's not about censoring particular movies, it's about the theatres being supposed to show at least some percentage of european movies.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by ZeeGerman


While I agree that this form of cultural protectionism is nonsense, where does it say that the Matrix part 2 is banned from french cinemas?

It's not about censoring particular movies, it's about the theatres being supposed to show at least some percentage of european movies.

Oh no! I didn't mean to imply that Matrix 2 is censored in France. I merely wished to show that film censorship does exist in the West and for reasons no better than Islamic mores.

[ZeeGerman]

Originally posted by corplinx


Oh no! I didn't mean to imply that Matrix 2 is censored in France. I merely wished to show that film censorship does exist in the West and for reasons no better than Islamic mores.

Just checking.

One could, of course take the US as an example as well, but US bashing is not en vogue right now is it?

Zee

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by ZeeGerman


Just checking.

One could, of course take the US as an example as well, but US bashing is not en vogue right now is it?

Zee



actually...........it must be en vogue right now, because its EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME.

it's absurd there is so much of it and then you hear statements like yours that makes a citizen want to vacate their spleen.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by corplinx


Oh no! I didn't mean to imply that Matrix 2 is censored in France. I merely wished to show that film censorship does exist in the West and for reasons no better than Islamic mores.

What gets me is France's cultural policy. They place restrictions on foreign films to 'protect their culture', yet they import more radical Islamists than any other country in the world.

France is, in actuality, the defacto-Islamic center of mass in the world. It is really an Islamic country now.

JK

[Khalid01]

Originally posted by Frostbite
Haha. Retards. They don't know what they're missing.

You have demonstrated that you have the capability to debate and insult others that is comparable to average teenagers. Boy howdy, am I impressed! :rolleyes:

Now before the lot of you start hounding me as a leftist or the like, please let it be known that I don't agree with the Egyptians' censorship either. Frostbite's reply, however, did not demonstrate any sort of eloquence or maturity, and I acutely abhor the label of "retard".

Now onto France, do you think that they actually could be protecting their (or the EU's) economy as much as they are purportedly protecting their culture? How are their actions any different from a tariff on imports? Is it really so wrong, or must we force American culture down their throats? If the French want American culture they can lobby for it, they don't have to drown themselves in it. Besides, how widespread are foreign films here in America? Is the percentage of foreign films available and released in America different from that in France?

By the way, I did not and wont see Matrix 2 any time soon. :D
Not unless they change the title to "Rebooted", what kind of name is "Reloaded" for a movie about AI's? :D

[DialecticMaterialist]

Now before the lot of you start hounding me as a leftist or the like, please let it be known that I don't agree with the Egyptians' censorship either. Frostbite's reply, however, did not demonstrate any sort of eloquence or maturity, and I acutely abhor the label of "retard".

Well then your focus and sense of proportion if off. What the Egyptians did was far worse then calling someone a retard. And the statement was more then warranted.

Ridiculous actions should be treated in a ridiculous manner, not with respect.

The problem is you seem to focus too much on the comment alone and ignore the context of what he's commenting on: religious censorship for rather petty reasons.

If the US government censored what you worked years on, I imagine you'd do a lot worse then go "haha, retards".

Of course opression only deserves mockery when the US government commits it though. :rolleyes:

[Khalid01]

Pardon me, if I was appearing lenient on the Egyptians, I was not equating their censorship and Frostbite's insult. I was merely stating that arbitrarily labeling someone a "retard" doesn't make one appear more intelligent than the next person. I have seen this insult utilized frequently at school, by adolescents. If we are to be the morally and philosophically enlightened individuals, how can we maintain that by throwing mud like teenagers? I am not advocating respect or consonance of the aforementioned censorship, but as we agree on this forum, ad hominems will not make any sort of progress.

[Goshawk]

I thought this was amusing, from the Yahoo story.In addition, he said, "the film has too many scenes of violence at a time when we are trying to fight this phenomenon." Yes, all the violence in the world today is Hollywood's fault. If the Wachowski brothers would only get real jobs as accountants or something, we could solve the Mideast crisis...

FYI, other movies and cinematic projects banned by the Egyptian director of artistic censorship, Madkur Thabet.

A French filmmaker's script about female circumcision.
http://www.metimes.com/2K3/issue2003-9/women/movie_on_arab.htm
The censorship committee decided the movie would "harm Egypt and Islam and incite depravation," she said.

The director of artistic censorship, Madkour Thabet, confirmed that the "censors who read the script unanimously rejected it, because it harms traditions and seeks to show that there is no hope for reform in Egypt."The Bible story of David and Goliath.
http://users.actcom.co.il/jeronline/nart.htm
An Egyptian censor has vetoed a children's song about David and Goliath - because the biblical story shows Israel in too favorable a light. The song about the Israelite shepherd who felled the giant Goliath with a slingshot is inappropriate during the 10-week-old Mideast crisis, and cassettes of it should not be distributed, said Madkour Thabet, head of the Audiovisual Censorship Authority.

The cassette was to be the first of a series to teach Egyptian Christian children various virtues by drawing on Biblical characters.

[Questioninggeller]

Originally posted by Frostbite
Haha. Retards. They don't know what they're missing.

LOL

[Khalid01]

Allow me to be more specific in my semantic argument. I find that labeling someone a retard, who by medical methodology is not defined as such actually devalues and insults mentally disabled individuals. "Retards" are usually in an inalterable mental state. They can not "convert" from autism or Downs Syndrome like a theist can convert from their religion. Some retards can not even argue for themselves, they don't have that capacity. A theist on the otherhand certainly can understand and process evidence for themselves and leave their religion for more rational or less rational alternatives. There is such a ridiculous difference between the mentally disabled and theists that anyone relating them to each other only display their ignorance and simplistic outlook on both of them. I find it so disgusting and vile when anyone calls someone else a retard, I think it is akin to using a racial slur. Even if the person did not load so much emotion into their use of "retard" it is still a sloppy usage of word and nonetheless insults the mentally disabled. Now, perhaps you may ask to yourself why I am so passionate or emotional about this. I don't want to be a bleeding heart, but my own sister is autistic. And until you live with a mentally disabled individual, you don't have a single recollection of the meaning of "retard", or have any understanding of the personification of the noun. If my argument is illogical, please do tell me, I am assume I may be wrong somewhere since my emotions may have clouded my reasoning a bit.

[Frostbite]

Originally posted by Khalid01


You have demonstrated that you have the capability to debate and insult others that is comparable to average teenagers. Boy howdy, am I impressed! :rolleyes:

Now before the lot of you start hounding me as a leftist or the like, please let it be known that I don't agree with the Egyptians' censorship either. Frostbite's reply, however, did not demonstrate any sort of eloquence or maturity, and I acutely abhor the label of "retard".

Now onto France, do you think that they actually could be protecting their (or the EU's) economy as much as they are purportedly protecting their culture? How are their actions any different from a tariff on imports? Is it really so wrong, or must we force American culture down their throats? If the French want American culture they can lobby for it, they don't have to drown themselves in it. Besides, how widespread are foreign films here in America? Is the percentage of foreign films available and released in America different from that in France?

By the way, I did not and wont see Matrix 2 any time soon. :D
Not unless they change the title to "Rebooted", what kind of name is "Reloaded" for a movie about AI's? :D

Hey I have a super idea! How about you shut the hell up?

[Frostbite]

Oh and by the way, we have similar forms of bans here in Quebec, a french part of generally english Canada. There are laws to protect the french language and cultural heritage, so like 50% of all movies and radio programming must be in french. Not french stuff from France but locally-generated stuff. French from France is way too kitch.

[synaesthesia]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

actually...........it must be en vogue right now, because its EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME.

it's absurd there is so much of it and then you hear statements like yours that makes a citizen want to vacate their spleen.

No kidding. Isn't it amazing how people love to be out of style when they want to seem iconoclastic, love to be part of the crowd when they want to seem well-supported?

Here's a toast to all the problems the world unjustly blames on the United States, here's to all the problems caused by the United States unnoticed.

[Khalid01]

Originally posted by Frostbite


Hey I have a super idea! How about you shut the hell up?

Well, I am quite sorry if you took such offense to my statements. I was merely stating an observation and hoping we could quickly remove ourselves from hostility and ad hominems. If you enjoy your debates served with barbarism and hostile one-liners than I shall certainly leave you to them. I have the omnipotent ignore list to aid me as an infalliable sieve.

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by Khalid01

Now onto France, do you think that they actually could be protecting their (or the EU's) economy as much as they are purportedly protecting their culture? How are their actions any different from a tariff on imports? Is it really so wrong, or must we force American culture down their throats? If the French want American culture they can lobby for it, they don't have to drown themselves in it. Besides, how widespread are foreign films here in America? Is the percentage of foreign films available and released in America different from that in France?


It's because French movies don't sell very well in France.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal


It's because French movies don't sell very well in France.

Yeah right. Top ten films in French cinemas 2002:
1- ASTERIX ET OBELIX : MISSION CLEOPATRE
2- SPIDERMAN
3- STAR WARS : EPISODE 2
4- OCEAN'S ELEVEN
5- 8 FEMMES
6- MONSTRES & COMPAGNIE
7- LE BOULET
8- L'AGE DE GLACE
9- PARLE AVEC ELLE
10- L'AUBERGE ESPAGNOLE

Originally posted by corplinx
What's worse? That or French style censorship where they don't allow the movie to be shown in order to "protect" the market for their own films.
"a majority (51 percent) of entertainment broadcast transmission time for programs of European origin" = censorship? :eek: Well I'm all for it; might encourage the stations to be a little more creative than the wall to wall Jerry/Geraldo/Sally/Jenny/Judy scheduling we get these days.

Come to think of it, if someone censored 51% of Matrix:Reloaded, it might've been a half decent film...

[Mendor]

Originally posted by BillyTK
Yeah right. Top ten films in French cinemas 2002:
1- ASTERIX ET OBELIX : MISSION CLEOPATRE
2- SPIDERMAN
3- STAR WARS : EPISODE 2
4- OCEAN'S ELEVEN
5- 8 FEMMES
6- MONSTRES & COMPAGNIE
7- LE BOULET
8- L'AGE DE GLACE
9- PARLE AVEC ELLE
10- L'AUBERGE ESPAGNOLEThough the titles don't make it obvious, the majority of those are not French movies.

"Monstres & compagnie" = "Monsters, Inc."
"L'age de glace" = "Ice Age"
"Parle avec elle" = "Hable con ella"

[Monketey Ghost]

Lots of blanket statements and generalising in this thread, not to mention childish behavior.

Pretty much the worst I've seen on this forum.

[DialecticMaterialist]

I was merely stating an observation and hoping we could quickly remove ourselves from hostility and ad hominems. If you enjoy your debates served with barbarism and hostile one-liners than I shall certainly leave you to them.

Egypt showed a lot worse then this. ANd ad hominems? Was there an argument over fact here or merely value judgements?

Value judgements, which are ultimately boos or yays anyways.


I have the omnipotent ignore list to aid me as an infalliable sieve.

And we care why exactly?
:rolleyes:

[DialecticMaterialist]

Lots of blanket statements and generalising in this thread, not to mention childish behavior.

Pretty much the worst I've seen on this forum.


Then you are either utilizing hyperbole or haven't seen much. One glance at the million dollar challanges should show you worse.

Likewise I know if the US government did this you'd be saying a lot worse as would all the radical croneys who eat, sleep and breath anti-american extremism.

[voidx]

They do the same things with Canadian radio. A certain percentage must be Canadian content. Its a catch-22. How do you encourage and promote local artists and culture, without simultaneously giving air-time to less talented artists because they fill out your Canadian or cultural content.

As for myself I thought there was far more plot development than action in the second Matrix. I really enjoyed it. Check out this link, it might shed light on a few concepts you may have missed while watching the movie.

http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm

[Monketey Ghost]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist


Then you are either utilizing hyperbole or haven't seen much. One glance at the million dollar challanges should show you worse.

Likewise I know if the US government did this you'd be saying a lot worse as would all the radical croneys who eat, sleep and breath anti-american extremism.

Thank you for proving my observation.

[LCBOY]

Originally posted by Gem
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030611/en_afp/egypt_us_cinema_matrix_030611170319



"The Mullah has you...":D

Gem

I have feeling that black market copies of ths movie will be flowing in Egypt very soon...

[Khalid01]

Originally posted by DialecticMaterialist


Egypt showed a lot worse then this. ANd ad hominems? Was there an argument over fact here or merely value judgements?

Value judgements, which are ultimately boos or yays anyways.

And we care why exactly?
:rolleyes:

What exactly do Egypt's actions have to do with legitimizing childish name calling? I would like to know when the principles of the enlightenment taught people to belittle and demonize Democracy's opponents. What Frostbite has done is akin to Bush exclaiming about the Axis of Evil; and, dare I say, the left's labeling of Bush as a "fascist", it doesn't get anyone anywhere. Just because someone is worse than you principally or morally (both of which are relative, but I won't argue that) doesn't mean you should start labeling them dismissively, sloppily and harshly. You combat them logically, something I have seen little of. I suppose you are right about my identifying the mud slinging as ad hominems incorrect, I assumed "ad hominem" extended to petty insults.

Lastly, you don't have to care about my actions, I only thought it would be curteous to give an indication of my actions.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Mendor
Though the titles don't make it obvious, the majority of those are not French movies.

"Monstres & compagnie" = "Monsters, Inc."
"L'age de glace" = "Ice Age"
"Parle avec elle" = "Hable con ella"

The argument was that France have introduced a cultural quota because "French movies don't sell very well in France", yet there's four French movies in the top ten, including the number one film.

[aggle_rithm]

France would have no problem with American cinema if we would make more Jerry Lewis movies.

The man is a misunderstood genius!! ;)

[voidx]

The argument was that France have introduced a cultural quota because "French movies don't sell very well in France", yet there's four French movies in the top ten, including the number one film.

Mendor was just pointing out, correctly, that for those not taking the time to pay close attention to the titles that initially in french the majority of films in the top 10 seemed to be french. But when you translate them you find the majority to actually not be French films. Hence:

"Monstres & compagnie" = "Monsters, Inc."
"L'age de glace" = "Ice Age"
"Parle avec elle" = "Hable con ella"
Make the majority of top 10 films non-French by 6-4. Not to say that 4 movies in the top ten is insignificant by any means, just means as originally stated, the top 10 was a little misleading.