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Solitaire
20th September 2006, 05:01 PM
The whole thread on rectification of room temperature heat into electric power brought back memories of my days reading a newsgroup on free energy. Quite a few unsuccessful ideas popped up. But the one that caught my interest, the dry ice laser, almost looked like it would work.

The laser consisted of a transparent chamber, with a half silvered mirror on the front and fully silvered mirror on the back, into which blackbody radiation from the surrounding room entered and interacted with carbon dioxide molecules from a piece of slowly warming dry ice. Eventually, the molecules become saturated with the radiation and start producing a laser beam. After a while everything warms up to room temperature and the process of producing a laser beam stops. Place a sharp ten micrometer bandpass filter around the chamber of the laser and, in theory, the filter will block thermal radiation slowing the warming process and releasing tremendous quantities of free energy.

Of course I had my doubts. Don't real laser require electrical power, not heat, in order to operate? And if energy can easily flow into the chamber, then surely that same energy can just as easily flow back out of the chamber again. Then again, I have heard reports of a mysterious Mars laser that adsorbs heat from the sun and produces a beam. So who knows, it might actually work.

:D

AK-Dave
20th September 2006, 05:09 PM
You need to factor in the energy required to produce the dry ice before it's added to the laser.

Zombified
20th September 2006, 05:17 PM
Do you actually get a population inversion from thermal IR in a piece of dry ice?

Dark Jaguar
20th September 2006, 05:27 PM
I was thinking this was going to be some sort of "ice beam" like in comic books or something. Speaking of, what possible form of energy beam could ever make something colder?

Solitaire
20th September 2006, 07:27 PM
Hm.

I guess you cannot get out more energy than went into the dry ice.

The population inversion probably works, but it'll be a really weak beam.

An negative energy beam can make things colder.
But negative energy is hard to obtain.

Just thinking
21st September 2006, 05:27 AM
But negative energy is hard to obtain.

They found this giant single-celled organism out in space on Star Trek that had negative energy --- but I guess that too would be hard to obtain. Oh, wait, they destroyed it. Darn! But wait --- that's in the future, so it must still be around. Good hunting.

;)

ZirconBlue
21st September 2006, 06:23 AM
You're not thinking of the laser from Real Genius,are you?

Zombified
21st September 2006, 09:58 AM
The population inversion probably works, but it'll be a really weak beam.
What makes you say that? It's not obvious to me...

GodMark2
21st September 2006, 03:32 PM
Speaking of, what possible form of energy beam could ever make something colder?

Simple photons can do that, you just need to be careful about the tuning and arangement. Laser_Cooling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_cooling)

Soapy Sam
21st September 2006, 04:05 PM
You could use a positive energy beam aimed away from the target.

Or a bucket of ice.

Solitaire
21st September 2006, 10:07 PM
What makes you say that? It's not obvious to me...

Oops.

I meant from carbon dioxide gas, not the dry ice itself, functioning as the laser material.

P.S. Here's a paper on negative energy. Negative Energy, Wormholes, And Warp Drives by Lawrence H. Ford and Thomas A. Roman (http://www.physics.hku.hk/~tboyce/sf/topics/wormhole/wormhole.html) :)