on-line.scientology.org

[Peskanov]

Whodini posted this link

http://on-line.scientology.org/

in the scientology thread. After taking a large peek, I have concluded the site has interest for most people here, including those who are not interested in scientology.
If you pay some attention you will see the place is really sinister; make you own opinion, though.

[aggle_rithm]

I picked a site at random and looked at the owner's favorite L. Ron Hubbard quote:

Understanding is the universal solvent.

Great quote! He must have been stoned and looking at a can of WD-40 when he came up with that. :rolleyes:

More teasing, but no real skepticism.

-Who

[Peskanov]

I am very, very skeptical about the existence of anything genuine on this page.

[Ladewig]

More teasing, but no real skepticism.


Oh, what the hey. I'll play.

I am skeptical of Scientology's claim that aliens were banished to the earth before the rise of mankind.

I am skeptical of Scientology's claim that fetuses can hear and understand things that happen to its mother.

I am skeptical of Scientology's claim that things that happened to us in past lives influence or control our current emotional states.

I am skeptical of Scientology's claim that the Electropsychometer has any use at all much less its being capable of measuring "the reactive mind’s hidden nature."

I am skeptical of Scientology's claim that Lisa McPherson died of natural causes.

I am skeptical of Scientology's claim that psychiatry is dangerous.


I hope my skepticism was real enough for you, Whodini. I like to think I am a true skeptic because I am willing to reconsider all these claims if any useful evidence for them is provided.

Ladewig,

We can see that you are being skeptical, that is good. Your list fo things to be skeptical about is certainly valid. I wish others would make similar lists.

Others aren't being skeptical, and are just poking fun. That is bad.

-Who

[HarryKeogh]

Originally posted by Whodini
Ladewig,

We can see that you are being skeptical, that is good. Your list fo things to be skeptical about is certainly valid. I wish others would make similar lists.

i am skeptical that a heart attack could be psychosomatic
i am skeptical that sitting in a sauna for 8 hours will detoxify my system of drugs
i am skeptical that there are actually millions of scientologists
i am skeptical of L.Ron Hubbard's military achievements
i am skeptical that a "billion year" employement contract could hold up in a court of law

Now we're talkin! Now we have seen some real skepticism from two people already!

Here is my list:

I'm skeptical that auditing does not involve hypnotism or psychiatry techniques
I'm skeptical also about the claims of their being millions and millions of Scientologists
I'm skeptical that someone can really truly remember everything about an event, and they aren't just 'filling in' things like the mind does
I'm skeptical that it is a good idea to eliminate the 'Reactive' mind

-Who

[reprise]

This is a really interesting thread for me to read, so I'd like to add a couple which those who've never been members of an org mightn't think of :

I'm skeptical of any claims by the Church of Scientology that the "fair game" policy is no longer in operation.

I'm skeptical of any claims by the Church of Scientology that the Guardians Office no longer exists.

[Checkmite]

I'm skeptical of Scientology's claim that reading their course materials out of order will cause death by pneumonia.

I'm skeptical of Scientology's claim that Hubbard was blinded during military service.

I'm skeptical of Scientology's claim that Hubbard's alleged blindness was cured through application of Scientology techniques.

I'm skeptical of Hubbard's claim that most, if not all, pregnant mothers-to-be try to abort their fetuses with darning needles and coat hangers.

I'm skeptical of Hubbard's claim that the fetus survives the alleged trauma, heals, and remembers this abuse.

I'm skeptical of Hubbard's claim that he was the youngest Boy Scout ever to gain the rank of Eagle.

I'm skeptical of Scientology's claim that psychological and physiological problems are caused by the souls of dead aliens clinging to your body.

[reprise]

I'm skeptical of Hubbard's claim that he was the one true Messiah and that Christianity was a plot designed to keep him from assuming his rightful place in the universe.

[Peter Soderqvist]

About Myself
My Success in Scientology
My Favorite L. Ron Hubbard Quote
Groups I Support
Favorite Links

Soderqvist1: They are made in a similar mode, just as the Borgs are in the Star Trek movie, and any particular scientologist doesn't answer your questions, but the leaders do, thus a scientologist have no individuality, because they have something called KSW Policy (Keep Scientology working). Which prevent them from "verbal tech". They are literal believers in the inerrant word of Hubbard! This is something for you, if you feel attracted to the Borgs way of living!

[Peskanov]

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quote:
and any particular scientologist doesn't answer your questions, but the leaders do
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I was suspecting that; it looks sooo manipulated...
Has anybody tried to contact the people there?

[Peter Soderqvist]

This is a Scientology community, only pro-Scientology utterance are granted, all critical utterances are deleted, and removed without sorrow, your Freedom of Speech have no merit there! http://groups.msn.com/scientology/

[Man of jade]

It goes to show how good site design can really make up for poor content.

[aggle_rithm]

Originally posted by Whodini
More teasing, but no real skepticism.

-Who

There has been so much skepticism voiced about Scientology that it seems pointless to keep beating this dead horse. Martin Gardner debunked these wacko beliefs over fifty years ago. The one thing he was wrong about -- he predicted back then that Dianetics seemed to be on its way out. This was before it was reborn as Scientology. Who would have thought this nonsense would still be going on fifty years later?

How depressing. :(

[reprise]

Who would have thought this nonsense would still be going on fifty years later?

The success of Scientology illustrates perfectly the danger in simply debunking something or assuming that its absurdity is self-evident.

While everybody was busy trying to discredit Dianetics or ridiculing the concept of body thetans, no-one was paying much attention to the wealth and power the church was accumulating or the manner in which it was using that wealth and power - which was and is to totally destroy its critics and its enemies.

The law is still one of Scientology's most lethal weapons, and it's one which the church uses with utter ruthlessness.

[Ladewig]

I'm skeptical that auditing does not involve hypnotism or psychiatry techniques

I may be way off on this one, but my understanding of auditing does not include any hypnotism or psychiatry. You are asked to list all past event that cause you embarrassment or negative emotions; things like crimes, sexual indiscretions, drug use, lying to loved ones, cheating in school, and so forth. The list is then typed up and kept in your folder. If you sue the Church, then they can come to you and say, "if this lawsuit proceeds much further, we may have to enter your auditing file into evidence to show that you are a criminal and a documented liar; and of course, while it is not our intention that all these things become known to your spouse, parents, and children, it may be an unfortunate by-product of your pursuing the lawsuit."

I'm skeptical of any claims by the Church of Scientology that the "fair game" policy is no longer in operation.


I thought about this one, but didn't say anything, because I am not skeptical of the litigious nature of the Church.

[reprise]

I may be way off on this one, but my understanding of auditing does not include any hypnotism or psychiatry.

As LRH was so fond of saying, "A=A=A".

It would be reasonable to say that Scientology does not use recognised methods of hypnotic induction during the auditing process. Nonetheless, I'm not certain that any auditor would be able to point out the difference between the state of "reverie" achieved during auditing and a light hypnotic trance induced by conventional methods.

Auditing might not include conventional psychiatric practises, but many of its elements can be found in conventional, mainstream psychotherapy (which sometimes makes me wonder whether the church has achieved its objective of placing Scientologists in powerful positions in the mental health field).