Patriot Act I-Anthrax Attacks connection?

[geggy]

The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001 (a week after the September 11, 2001 attacks). Letters containing anthrax bacteria were mailed to several news media offices and two U.S. Senators, killing five people and sickening seventeen others. The crime remains unsolved.

"9-11-2001
You can not stop us
You have the anthrax
You die now
Are you afraid?
Death to America
Death to Israel
Allah is great" (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/1a.jpg)

"9-11-2001
This is next
Take penacilin now
Death to America
Death to Israel
Allah is great" (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/2b.jpg)

Anthrax letters sent to following senators and members of the congress:
Senator Daschle (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/1b.jpg)
Senator Leahy (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/4a.jpg)

Patriot Act I was signed and passed on October 26, 2001.

Army Working on Weapons-Grade Anthrax

Utah Facility Quietly Developed Formulation; Spores Sent Back and Forth to Md.

By Rick Weiss and Joby Warrick

Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, December 13, 2001; Page A16

An Army biological and chemical warfare facility in Utah has been quietly developing a virulent, weapons-grade formulation of anthrax spores since at least 1992, and samples of the bacteria were shipped back and forth between that facility and Fort Detrick, Md., on several occasions in the past several years, according to government officials and shipping records.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A34707-2001Dec12&notFound=true

Anthrax Investigation A 'Cold Case?' (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/18/eveningnews/main2019769.shtml)

5 Years, 53,000 Leads, 5,000 Subpoenas Later, FBI Is Empty-Handed

WASHINGTON, Sept. 18, 2006

(CBS)Three years ago, FBI agents slogged through the woods to a fishing pond in suburban Maryland, where they hoped to find the hidden lab equipment used in the 2001 anthrax attacks. But, as CBS News correspondent Jim Stewart reports, they pumped the pond dry and even sifted through the mud at the bottom ... and found nothing

Five years, 53,000 leads, and 6,000 subpoenas after those attacks, they still have no arrests.
.......
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff hints no one may ever be indicted.

"There are times that we may know a lot about a crime or an event that occurred, but we may not have the admissible evidence that we need to prove it in court," Chertoff says.

[quixotecoyote]

Are you implying that the US Gov sent the anthrax? If so where is your evidence. You aren't even asking questions, you're just playing wink wink, nudge nudge.

Despite this being several orders of magnatude more believable than the tower collapse CT, you'll have to do better.

[Gravy]

Yeah, because those measly attacks on the 11th didn't have the desired effect of scaring the crap out of the American people.

Geggy, you've now made 245 consecutive dumb posts.

[Pardalis]

OK, so now it's the antrax thing... Boy, you really want there to be a conspiracy don't you?

Keep trying.

[Brainster]

Daschle was a pretty good windsock, so the notion that he was going to lead the fight against the Patriot Act and then backed down in the face of the anthrax attacks lacks the initial condition. As it worked out, only one Senator (Russ Feingold) voted against the Patriot Act, so you'd have to argue that not only did Daschle and Leahy drop their opposition, but that something like 47 other Democratic Senators did the same thing. It's a weird world you posit; would Republicans have to worry about prosecution in a Democratic administration, or just arsenic in their tea?

[Pardalis]

Which makes me think... If the anthrax scare was a inside conspiracy, why didn't they just link the anthrax to Saddam Hussein? Wouldn't that have been a more simpler conspiracy to cook up than the entire 9/11 day?

[jhunter1163]

And, frankly, anthrax just isn't that big a deal. It's easily treated with antibiotics. Yes, I know five people died, but as I recall some of them were very old, with weakened immune systems, and so on. Now, I'm not saying that I want to catch it, but there are far worse diseases that could be used as WMD's.

[geggy]

I've often wondered if these anthrax attacks toward the media moguls were meant to incite fear in attempt silence anyone from questioning 9/11.

The 1st draft of the anti-terrorism laws were introduced to the congress in just a week after the 9/11 attack. Members, mostly democrats, of congress were reluctant in signing the bill due to it's flaws and outrageousnesses. They were willing to sign it as long some modifications were made. It only slowed down the process of passing the anti-terrorism bill and john ashcroft grew impatient. Coincidently, traces of anthrax started to appear all over the capitol hill, forcing to shut down offices. A week after the reopiening of the capitol hill, congress were more than willing to compromise and put the patriot act into effect immediately. So was the anthrax used as a tactic to 'force' them into signing the bill? It only seem logical that those from inside the government was involved because...it fits? I'm not saying that it's definite but there is that strong possibility.

Paradalis, Ashcroft have pushed for the Iraq/anthrax attacks connection but the fbi, who weren't 'in on it', have found no evidence for that. And it's the other way around, you don't seem to want the us government to have possibly been involved in the conspiracy.

[Foolmewunz]

Geggy, you've now made 245 consecutive dumb posts.

246, and counting.........:D

[geggy]

No really, I'm interested in hearing gravy's rebuttal other than "raarrr consective dumb posts arrr rrarr!!"

If the arabs were so successful in pulling off the 9/11 attacks, what motivation do they have in mailing anthrax laced letters to the media and the congress? I agree with gravy that the 9/11 attacks should be enough to brew fear in the minds of the americans. But what exactly was the purpose of the anthrax attacks?

[fuelair]

No really, I'm interested in hearing gravy's rebuttal other than "raarrr consective dumb posts arrr rrarr!!"

If the arabs were so successful in pulling off the 9/11 attacks, what motivation do they have in mailing anthrax laced letters to the media and the congress? I agree with gravy that the 9/11 attacks should be enough to brew fear in the minds of the americans. But what exactly was the purpose of the anthrax attacks?

Short version - the evidence suggests strongly that it was one or more non-Arabic US citizens who did this. The specific strain of anthrax was US based. Weaponised is designed to spread more efficiently and kill more quickly (always better that it not kill immediately - but have enough time that it can spread). Problem is the major candidate either did not do it or is great at hiding stuff. I suspect that the major problem they had was the same one that occurred at Los Alamos with the missing computer drive - trying to show off by making a fast case instead of a good one. i.e. it's stupidity/incompetance, not conspiracy.

[CurtC]

The specific strain of anthrax was US based.

This just in: US attacks used 'common anthrax' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5377744.stm)
Officials quoted by the paper say the type of anthrax sent in the post bore none of the hallmarks associated with the "weaponised" form of the disease spores, used by the military.

The powder used in the attacks was reportedly of a common strain and had not been processed to make it more easily dispersible - and therefore, more lethal.

The paper quotes a report by an FBI scientist, Douglas J Beecher, who dismisses as a "widely-circulated misconception" the view that the anthrax spores were produced "using additives and sophisticated engineering supposedly akin to military weapons production".

According to another scientist interviewed by the Washington Post, although the anthrax used in the attacks was not military-grade, it was of a very high quality.

"Whoever did it was proud of their biology. They grew the spores, spun them down, cleaned up the debris. But there were no additives," the scientist is quoted as saying.

[Peephole]

No really, I'm interested in hearing gravy's rebuttal other than "raarrr consective dumb posts arrr rrarr!!"

If the arabs were so successful in pulling off the 9/11 attacks, what motivation do they have in mailing anthrax laced letters to the media and the congress? I agree with gravy that the 9/11 attacks should be enough to brew fear in the minds of the americans. But what exactly was the purpose of the anthrax attacks?

Who said anything about Arabs?

[geggy]

Hey it took them only 5 years to figure that it wasn't a military grade anthrax.

Who said anything about Arabs?

Read the note I posted above again. Seems to me someone is trying to frame the Arabs. Hint: "Allah is great."

actual anthrax laced letter (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/1a.jpg)

[Peephole]

Seems to me someone is trying to frame the Arabs.
Bravo.

[David Wong]

And really, if you want legislation passed, yeah, you can do it the old-fashioned way with back room arm-twisting and deal making under the table, you can even make speeches that intimidate your opponents into voting for it out of fear of looking weak on terror.

Or, you can mail a biological weapon to their office and risk being executed for treason later and going down in history as one of Earth's greatest monsters.

Really, either way would work equally well. I don't know why they don't do it the second way more often.

[Gravy]

No really, I'm interested in hearing gravy's rebuttal other than "raarrr consective dumb posts arrr rrarr!!"

If the arabs were so successful in pulling off the 9/11 attacks, what motivation do they have in mailing anthrax laced letters to the media and the congress? I agree with gravy that the 9/11 attacks should be enough to brew fear in the minds of the americans. But what exactly was the purpose of the anthrax attacks?
My rebuttal was in the first sentence of my post, which you agreed with. Arabs? Why do you jump to that conclusion? And why are you asking us to speculate on the reason for the anthrax mailings? And why am I wasting my time expecting answers from you? Goodbye.

[Bell]

I tend to think that the antrax scare was caried out by some kind of Una bomber copy cat wacko?

[Gravy]

Really, either way would work equally well. I don't know why they don't do it the second way more often.
To save on postage.

[Loss Leader]

It only slowed down the process of passing the anti-terrorism bill and john ashcroft grew impatient. Coincidently, traces of anthrax started to appear all over the capitol hill, forcing to shut down offices.

I know of a similar story. A man I know, John Murphy, recently graduated from the Fire Training Center. He became a full-fledged firefighter on August 17, 2006. He was just completely gung-ho to fight fires but all they did was train, train, train. He grew impatient. All of his firefighter gear was going unused. All of his strength was going to waste. Them at 2:00 a.m., just two miles from the firehouse, a fire began to burn out of control in a rooming house. There were many transients living there and people came and went unnoticed. John Murphy suddenly had a fire to fight.

True or false?
1. John obviously started the fire.
2. Hey, I'm just asking questions. We need an international investigation.
3. Geggy is an idiot.

[Brainster]

And, frankly, anthrax just isn't that big a deal. It's easily treated with antibiotics. Yes, I know five people died, but as I recall some of them were very old, with weakened immune systems, and so on. Now, I'm not saying that I want to catch it, but there are far worse diseases that could be used as WMD's.

I think only one was very old--the woman judge in Connecticut was 98. Eleven people got inhalation anthrax; five of those died. Now, in all probability it's not that that bad a disease provided it's recognized. IIRC one of the posters here was assigned a case # in the anthrax attacks (as a possible victim) and was on Cipro.

[geggy]

Interesting. Speaking of Cipro, I found this info in an article written in oct 2001..

White House Mail Machine Has Anthrax
By Sandra Sobieraj
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001; 8:11 p.m. EDT (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/aponline201158_000.htm)

At least some White House personnel were given Cipro six weeks ago. White House officials won't discuss who might be receiving the anthrax-treating antibiotic now.

On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was "a precaution," according to one person directly involved.

[Oliver]

Interesting. Speaking of Cipro, I found this info in an article written in oct 2001..

White House Mail Machine Has Anthrax
By Sandra Sobieraj
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001; 8:11 p.m. EDT (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20011023/aponline201158_000.htm)

At least some White House personnel were given Cipro six weeks ago. White House officials won't discuss who might be receiving the anthrax-treating antibiotic now.

On the night of the Sept. 11 attacks, the White House Medical Office dispensed Cipro to staff accompanying Vice President Dick Cheney as he was secreted off to the safety of Camp David, and told them it was "a precaution," according to one person directly involved.

I still don´t see any connection from Anthrax to Al Qaeda... I don´t see any conspiracy either... Do you?

[Donal]

Don't you get it? Cheney and Bush were obviously mailing the anthrax letters from their own friggin offices.