Vive le Resistance!!

[Jon_in_london]

The Iraqi resistance thats is.

Brave men and women who risk their lives to force out the forgein occupying power from their homeland.

Even when the US gestapo was raiding innocent villagers homes, trashing them and detaining people without ryhme or reason...presumably they will soon be deported to the US death camp at guantanamo bay. Brave resistance fighters shot down an imperialist war machine that was used by the oppressor to rain death and destruction on the population below.

Vive le Iraq! Vive le Iraq Libre!

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london

Even when the US gestapo was raiding innocent villagers homes,

Sorry to interrupt this inspired speech but didn't you forget something here?

[Tony]

Leave it too the bedwetting left to cheer for tyranny and fanaticism.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Tony
Leave it too the bedwetting left to cheer for tyranny and fanaticism.

But the left DOESNT support Bush!!
:confused: what you on about?

[Tony]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


But the left DOESNT support Bush!!
:confused: what you on about?

Keep talking; with each post you reveal your ignorance.

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Tony
Leave it too the bedwetting left to cheer for tyranny and fanaticism.

You and JK tie the left to everything negative.

"Tyranny and fanaticism" are traits of the right. Religious freaks and neo-nazis dont vote for democrats.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Tmy


You and JK tie the left to everything negative.



I said the bedwetting left. Do you have trouble making logical distinctions?

"Tyranny and fanaticism" are traits of the right.

I dont think the left or right has a monopoly of said traits.


Religious freaks and neo-nazis dont vote for democrats


They don’t vote for republicans either, in fact, neo-nazis are more aligned with the left due to their shared hatred of Israel.

[BillyTK]

SO what are the logical inferences between bed-wetting and tyranny and fanaticism, exactly?

[crackmonkey]

These 'brave resistance fighters' are the same scum that used to systematically rape and torture women and children. These criminals you cheer on were the same ones who oppressed an entire nation with fear, torture, and death.
You have interesting allies... at the least, it gives some background on why you are so enthralled with the Palestinian resistance.

[Dancing David]

This is really sad,
it's sad that the war isn't over,
it's sad that more Iraqis will die,
it's sad that more Americans will die,
it's sad that someone think that it's okay to ambush troop (were the Iraqis wearing uniforms),
it's sad that another someone has to start trashing the left,


geez folks ain't you got no respect for life?

It's sad that our country invaded Iraq (right or wrong),
it's sad that some Iraqis are contnuing to fight for revenge.
It's sad that some people have such strong political agendas that all they can do is promote those agenda.


peace

[headscratcher4]

I was/am not a supporter of the war and believe that the US is in for a long, costly haul in Iraq.

However, it is interesting that Jon would use the word "gestapo" considering the mass graves and evident murder and torture of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) that occured under Saddam.

I fear for the US because it is a terrible thing to be an occupier in an essentially hostile land. However, what Jon puts forth as "proof" of US "gestapo" tactics would have been laughed at by both Saddam and the real "gestopo" -- an organization that wouldn't have bothered with a messy search that "trashed" innocent peoples homes, they would have (like Saddam) just taken the whole village out and shot them.

My point is -- the US will make mistakes. It will violate human rights and the rights it claims to have gone to Iraq to protect. However, US actions are, to date, so far and away different than "gestapo" tactics as to be a ridiculous analogy.

Hitler, the sponsor of the the real "gestapo" was a great believer in the big lie...comparing US actions (bad and disturbing as they may be) with the gestapo is to indulge in the most slimy of "big lie" tactics.

And, more importantly, to make this comparison with the "proof" offered, minimizes not only the real evil of the "gestapo" but also of Saddam.

Jon, you do the real victems of true murder, torture and oppression a real disservice with such hyperbolic dribble...

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by headscratcher4

..................................
Jon, you do the real victems of true murder, torture and oppression a real disservice with such hyperbolic dribble...

Well said...

It is obvious that Jon feels the solution to the problem, that he forgot to bring any sausages to the cook-out, is for him to piss on the fire...

[Ed]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


Even when the US gestapo

That is a vile metaphor. I think that an apology is in order, or a reasoned comparison between the Gestapo and US forces.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by crackmonkey
These 'brave resistance fighters' are the same scum that used to systematically rape and torture women and children. These criminals you cheer on were the same ones who oppressed an entire nation with fear, torture, and death.

How do you know that? Evidence? Proof?

The brave resistance fighters are exactly that. They are fighting the occupation of their homeland by a foreign imperialsit aggressor. That is a fact!

I will not apologise for calling the US imperialsit gestapo what they are.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


How do you know that? Evidence? Proof?

The brave resistance fighters are exactly that. They are fighting the occupation of their homeland by a foreign imperialsit aggressor. That is a fact!

I will not apologise for calling the US imperialsit gestapo what they are.


Keep talking; with each post you reveal your ignorance.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london

...presumably they will soon be deported to the US death camp at guantanamo bay. ....................

How do you know that? Evidence? Proof?

[ZeeGerman]

Originally posted by headscratcher4
However, what Jon puts forth as "proof" of US "gestapo" tactics would have been laughed at by both Saddam and the real "gestopo" -- an organization that wouldn't have bothered with a messy search that "trashed" innocent peoples homes, they would have (like Saddam) just taken the whole village out and shot them.



[NITPICKING]
the GESTAPO (GEheime STaatsPOlizei, secret state police) would have left such wiping out of whole villages etc. to the Waffen SS or , in fact, the regular army. The GESTAPO's specialities were information retrieval, i.e. torture and fabrication of facts and the pursuit and elimination of unwanted individuals, i.e. murder. As the name says, they mostly operated in secrecy, e.g. arrests were made at night (just loud enough to terrify the neighbors).

[\NITPICKING]


Zee

[c0rbin]

Jon in London,

I think you might be a little off. Take a little time to get yourself together, mate.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Diogenes


How do you know that? Evidence? Proof?

I said presumably. That means I am makes a presumption. That means I dont have the facts and evidence. Otherwise I wouldnt need to presume it now would I? I would know it.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by ZeeGerman


[NITPICKING]
the GESTAPO (GEheime STaatsPOlizei, secret state police) would have left such wiping out of whole villages etc. to the Waffen SS or , in fact, the regular army. The GESTAPO's specialities were information retrieval, i.e. torture and fabrication of facts and the pursuit and elimination of unwanted individuals, i.e. murder. As the name says, they mostly operated in secrecy, e.g. arrests were made at night (just loud enough to terrify the neighbors).

[\NITPICKING]


Zee

Which is just what the US gestapo-equivalent did in Iraq but without such teutonic subtleties.

[ZeeGerman]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


Which is just what the US gestapo-equivalent did in Iraq but without such teutonic subtleties.

You mean the US could improve on German work ethics?

Seriously, I think you're overdoing it when you use Nazi vocabulary to label actions of the US army in Iraq. You haven't even referred to a particular incident.


Zee

[Mike B.]

It is sad.

Jon who was once a thoughtful and learned poster has now moved into full-fledged troll status.

And you know what they say about feeding trolls...

[KelvinG]

Regardless of what the topic is, you have to be very careful when you start bringing Nazi analogies into the debate.
I've rarely seen such analogies work in a debating scenario.

How many times have you heard someone say "Well, that's how it started in Nazi Germany."

[demon]

"when you start bringing Nazi analogies into the debate"

Just like the warmongers did comparing Saddam to Hitler. That one got a damn good airng.

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


The brave resistance fighters are exactly that. They are fighting the occupation of their homeland by a foreign imperialsit aggressor. That is a fact!



Just out of curiosity, how many of the people fighting the "occupation" are actualy Iraqis? I remember, close to the end of the war, there were reports of large numbers of Syrians, Palestinians, etc. arriving in Iraq. (In fact, at times they provided more resistance than the Iraqis did.)