Typical "Truth"

[eeyore1954]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15373

In this thread it is mentioned first that in the movie in plane site the witness says

It was like a cruise missle with wings

Later in the movie Loose Change the same witness says he saw

An American airlines jet


i would think the obvious answer is it was a typical example of the Truth movement not telling the truth. The man probably said in his complete statement it was an american airlines jet and also used the analogy that it was like a cruise missile with wings. By only showing the first part viewers of the in plane site video are led to believe the man saw a cruise missile when in fact he was using colorful language like me saying my brother was a strong as an ox (even though I know full well he would have lost a tug of war against one)

But to the people in the Loose change site this discrepancy was due to

Nice catch. Just go's to show that eyewitness' tend to be unreliable.

or

i wonder if he was told to change his mind about what he saw after the plans site interview

While I suspect most of us do cherry picking of facts whether on purpose or not but some in the Truth movement are the champions at taking a portion of a statement and twisting it to whatever Truth they want to advance.

I really miss being able to post a response to such nonsense on the Loose Change board.

[DarkMagician]

Classic CT Logic:Nice catch. Just go's to show that eyewitness' tend to be unreliable....except when what they say agrees with our hypothesis.

[Brainster]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15373

While I suspect most of us do cherry picking of facts whether on purpose or not but some in the Truth movement are the champions at taking a portion of a statement and twisting it to whatever Truth they want to advance.

I really miss being able to post a response to such nonsense on the Loose Change board.

Not much use pointing it out over there. You'd only be banned and your post removed. Still, good point.

[defaultdotxbe]

Posted: Sep 29 2006, 12:52 AM

Both clips are from the same interview. Look at the background and his shirt color. Only difference is in Loose Change the video is cropped. All he's doing is describing what he saw, well supposedly saw.



Posted: Sep 29 2006, 01:14 AM

i wonder if he was told to change his mind about what he saw after the plans site interview??? Total speculation here i know :)
but how can someone get mixed up between a cruise missle with wings and an american airlines 757? Just how BIG did they make cruise missiles in 2001 !!??!?!

he obviously didnt even read the post directly above his own (which was posted 20 minutes before, so we know it was visible) typical truther research

[JamesB]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15373

In this thread it is mentioned first that in the movie in plane site the witness says



Later in the movie Loose Change the same witness says he saw




i would think the obvious answer is it was a typical example of the Truth movement not telling the truth. The man probably said in his complete statement it was an american airlines jet and also used the analogy that it was like a cruise missile with wings. By only showing the first part viewers of the in plane site video are led to believe the man saw a cruise missile when in fact he was using colorful language like me saying my brother was a strong as an ox (even though I know full well he would have lost a tug of war against one)

But to the people in the Loose change site this discrepancy was due to

.

or



While I suspect most of us do cherry picking of facts whether on purpose or not but some in the Truth movement are the champions at taking a portion of a statement and twisting it to whatever Truth they want to advance.

I really miss being able to post a response to such nonsense on the Loose Change board.


Yeah, this is the worst example of their quote mining. It also shows they fail to grasp the concept of the "simile" which I learned in 5th grade.

"I was sitting in the northbound on 27 and the traffic was, you know, typical rush-hour -- it had ground to a standstill. I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up, it's really low.'

"And I saw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/trends/09/11/witnesses/index.html

[chipmunk stew]

It also shows they fail to grasp the concept of the "simile" which I learned in 5th grade.

They were confused and thought it was a lesson about the "smilie"

[KingMerv00]

Nitpick: Don't cruise missles HAVE wings?

[Hagrok]

Nitpick: Don't cruise missles HAVE wings?
Yep, small ones. At least, the tomahawk does.

[Hellbound]

Nitpick: Don't cruise missles HAVE wings?

Yes, but they're little, so I could see the confusion one might have.

[Hagrok]

Yes, but they're little, so I could see the confusion one might have.
And, they're not extended on launch (just looked at a bazillion cruise missile picutres on google).

[Hellbound]

And, they're not extended on launch (just looked at a bazillion cruise missle picutres on google).

Right, the missile gains altitude via the rocket engine, then drops the rocket, extends wings, and converts to jet engine for the long haul.

To make clear, I mean that I could see using the phrase "cruise missile with wings", and the wings on an actual CM are almost unnoticable, and such a phrase emphasizes that this one had wings.

[Mince]

Nitpick: Don't cruise missles HAVE wings?


Technically, they're called "fins." It is my belief that the witness in discussion made the comparison because the aircraft acted like a missile; to wit: it traveled and descended very rapidly, hit a building and exploded. That's what missiles do.

[T.A.M.]

This is a perfect example of why I think the CTers have HIJACKED the word "truth" for their movement. We need to take it back, because their cherry picking, out of context quoting asses do the word injustice. I want the "truth" back!!!

Now who is with me!!!!!

TAM

[Hellbound]

T.A.M.:

I'm with you!!!

And I've got a chainsaw and pneumatic drill we can use to do the extraction.

[T.A.M.]

Well I've got some Ketamine and Rocuronium, to anesthetize them...wait, screw that...just hand me the drill...

TAM:D

[LashL]

I'm with you, too.

<looks around>

Well, let's see. I can add a Halligan, a pry axe, a Kelly tool, a window punch, a rake hook, and assorted rescue knives to the arsenal.

Just whistle :)

[defaultdotxbe]

ill beat 'em with my keyboard and strangle 'em with my mouse cord!

lol

[Bell]

You bunch of wussies! I only need a boxcutter.
And then may become the subject of them making fun of me and laughing in my face. :(

[Babylon Sister]

You bunch of wussies! I only need a boxcutter.
And then may become the subject of them making fun of me and laughing in my face. :(

Oh, come on! You know box cutters are harmless. Just hit 'em with your luggage.

[mamapajamas]

I'm with you, too.

<looks around>

Well, let's see. I can add a Halligan, a pry axe, a Kelly tool, a window punch, a rake hook, and assorted rescue knives to the arsenal.

Just whistle :)

As an artist, I can add in a Dremel tool, a canvas stretcher (kind of like a big, wide-tipped pair of pliers), and some colorful paint. Man... I could get Amnesty International after me BIG TIME! :D

[Brainache]

I have an army of cockroaches living in my kitchen that I'm prepared to unleash.
Also a lot of washing up that could be flung in a dangerous manner.

[Gravy]

Hmm. Three-foot auger bit, veterinary scalpels, Sawz-All, emergency dental repair kit, tortilla press, blowtorch, and lots of heavy-duty tie down straps.

[Dog Town]

Hmm. Three-foot auger bit, veterinary scalpels, Sawz-All, emergency dental repair kit, tortilla press, blowtorch, and lots of heavy-duty tie down straps.

Throw in a waffle iron, parachute, K. Hepburn, and you have discovered a deep secret fantasy. Damn you Gravy, Mark, Shill... bastard!