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Loss Leader
1st October 2006, 09:04 PM
My thesis is that Skeptic4Sure is an alias of Truthseeker1234. I was not the first poster who suggested this. I believe this for several reasons.

I believe Truthseeker1234 suffers from a narcissistic personality disorder (http://www.n-courage.net/). He demonstrates: an obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges as when he created several threads about his own personal challenge; a lack of psychological awareness and difficulty with empathy as when he compared the known facts of 9/11 with Holocaust denial; haughty language as his posting style attests; a propensity to use other people without considering the cost of that for them as when he offered $1,000.00 to write a book for him; pretending to be more important than he is as when he "revealed" details about his identity; brags and exaggerates his achievements as when he mentioned being on the ScholarsForTruth homepage; and he cannot view the world from the perspective of another person.


Skeptic4Sure first posted at 4:30 p.m. on September 30. This is several hours after Truthseeker1234 was suspended for one week. Skeptic4Sure has assiduously avoided any threads that Truthseeker1234 posted in. He even went so far as to claim for a short time to be a "skeptic." Even so, I believe that Truthseeker's underlying psychological condition cannot be hidden no matter how carefully he chooses his words.

And he has not chosen his words carefully. His first post was a confrontational one accusing board members of stalking and called those on the board "You guys." His oppositional behavior from the first post shows an unsympathetic focus on himself. It also mirrors the language of Truthseeker1234. Examples:

guys, the propogation times of sound through different media is interesting, but not relevant.

you anti-science guys are tossing out data

Cmon, you guys

You guys know what I want, your'e being silly.

Skeptic4Sure and Truthseeker1234 also seem to share debate styles. Both frequently declare that whatever has been shown to them is insufficient and demand more evidence.

Skepic4Sure wrote:

, but you being skeptics and all should know you need more proof than that.

Again Wildcat, I'm waiting for an answer.

That is only your own theorizing and interpretation, with no proof.

Where is the actual proof?

Vague references to board politics on someone else's board is not proof of anything.

You are making big claims, I am asking you to prove it.

I am asking for proof of claims.

I am just asking for proof, not opinions on whether someon is gullible or not. That is your opinion.

You would think with so much evidence to prove your case, this would be simple.

I am asking for proof that he is NOT a pilot. I already know you have no satisfactory proof that he is "stupid". That is your opinion and interpretation.

Ok no links, no proof, just opinion and innuendo. I need more.

This was in 44 posts in three hours. Compare Truthseeker1234's posts.

I'm looking for actual evidence,

Still waiting for anyone to offer even an attempted answer to

I'm still waiting for any evidence that windows broke from heat.

You are ignoring evidence that contradicts your hypothesis, a violation of scientific method.

you anti-science guys are tossing out data simply because it conflicts with your hypothesis.

Skeptic4Sure also made this statement: "anonymity is a prized possession on the internet."

It is similar to these statements by Truthseeker1234:

I originally intended just to remain anonymous.

My real identity will be revealed soon enough. I have given clues.

There seems to be great curiosity out there about just who I might happen to turn out to be in real life. I will tell all to Kate, and Kate will have herself a great story.

I seek input from other members.

Oliver
1st October 2006, 09:16 PM
Tried to PM him - "Skeptic4Sure - no such member"...?

Usual Suspect
1st October 2006, 09:32 PM
This is my first post here but I've been reading the forums for about 2 weeks so I decided to start my first post with a little fun. I'll do you one better Loss Leader. Skeptic4Sure who probably is TruthSeeker1234, is also Christophera. Posting styles are the same. Just something to chew on LOL!! OH and hello everybody!!!

CurtC
1st October 2006, 10:14 PM
Usual Suspect, I have to disagree about Christophera being the same. Christophera is completely delusional. TS (and S4S) is apparently functional, but severely lacking in the critical thinking skills department. That's a pretty big difference. Christophera started posting here long before TS, and I don't think he is capable of sounding relatively sane.

Loss Leader
1st October 2006, 10:18 PM
Usual Suspect, I have to disagree about Christophera being the same. Christophera is completely delusional. TS (and S4S) is apparently functional, but severely lacking in the critical thinking skills department. That's a pretty big difference. Christophera started posting here long before TS, and I don't think he is capable of sounding relatively sane.

Christophera and Truthseeker1234 also debated each other briefly on Chris' thread. They had very different views about ... something. Whether Truthseeker1234 is smart enough to do this or not, he wouldn't because he craves the reactions of others. To him, that would seem like a complete waste of time.

Usual Suspect
1st October 2006, 10:23 PM
AH OK. I just threw it out there based on the little I've seen of all 3.

Gravy
1st October 2006, 10:31 PM
Similar posting style, similar inattention to detail, similar desire for others to do the work for him, similar grammar and misuse of words. I don't suppose the subject of pyroclastic flows will come up in the JDX thread, but hope springs eternal.

apathoid
1st October 2006, 10:47 PM
Didnt somebody say that BS1+2=4 got suspended? If so, well.... I dont want to be a coincedence theorist, so I'll have to agree that they are one and the same.

Loss Leader
1st October 2006, 10:54 PM
Didnt somebody say that BS1+2=4 got suspended?

As a narcissist, Truthseeker1234 would crave the constant attention that he gets here. Taking that away from him would cause him depression and shame. Coming back under another name to side-step being banned is consistent with my beliefs about Truthseeker1234's state of mind.

R.Mackey
1st October 2006, 11:16 PM
I understand people's curiosity, but I'm not sure the motivation for this thread is in good form.

For starters, I don't believe the two are the same for a simple mechanical reason. If TruthSeeker1234 was for some reason motivated to reanimate as a function of his suspension, then the new persona wouldn't have begun until after he learned of his suspension. And the time interval is shorter than the usual JREF registration process. (ETA: The new join date is 27 September, or before the suspension in question!) Not to mention, given his history here, re-registering as someone else might even be a positive sign, a gesture of moving beyond past mistakes.

Be that as it may, I'm much more interested in what someone has to say than what his or her background is. If there's an ulterior motive at work here, it will reveal itself soon enough. No need to hunt for it, no need for speculation.

Let's not lose sight of why we discuss things here. We are above petty adversarial positions. All are welcome to participate in a free, honest, and open debate.

With that I thank you, and relinquish the floor.

Loss Leader
2nd October 2006, 06:17 AM
We are above petty adversarial positions. All are welcome to participate in a free, honest, and open debate.

Mackey, I agree with you and it did take some struggle to decide to open this thread. What tipped the scales for me was an examination of Skeptic4Sure's 44 posts in three hours. They are the apotheosis of petty and adversarial. If S4S does not come here honestly, I do not think we should welcome his participation.

CptColumbo
2nd October 2006, 10:17 AM
As a narcissist, Truthseeker1234 would crave the constant attention that he gets here. Taking that away from him would cause him depression and shame. Coming back under another name to side-step being banned is consistent with my beliefs about Truthseeker1234's state of mind.

But the suspension may make him/her the darling of the CT crowd. Just look for someone bragging about being suspended or lying about being "banned" (like Christophera did).

Bell
2nd October 2006, 10:23 AM
Re: Is Skeptic4Sure actually Truthseeker1234

Posted by Bell (whoever that is) in the peanut gallery:

I was thinking the exact same thing.

1234 is seeking as much for the truth, as 4Sure is being skeptic.

Mancman
2nd October 2006, 10:37 AM
Skeptic4Sure first posted at 4:30 p.m. on September 30. This is several hours after Truthseeker1234 was suspended for one week.

Very suspicious. Can't an admin do a quick IP check?

Arkan_Wolfshade
2nd October 2006, 10:44 AM
If you feel that Skeptic4Sure is a sock of another poster I would suggest reporting it to a forum mod. Speculation beyond that is not productive.

Bell
2nd October 2006, 11:13 AM
I allready did last night.

DarkMagician
2nd October 2006, 05:19 PM
Please, please tell me this guy isn't the same one I've been arguing over Facebook.

Bell
2nd October 2006, 05:49 PM
Looks like he's done for now...

tsig
3rd October 2006, 06:28 AM
This is my first post here but I've been reading the forums for about 2 weeks so I decided to start my first post with a little fun. I'll do you one better Loss Leader. Skeptic4Sure who probably is TruthSeeker1234, is also Christophera. Posting styles are the same. Just something to chew on LOL!! OH and hello everybody!!!

I think they just use the same sources.

After a while they allsound the same.

Hi!

DarkMagician
4th October 2006, 12:52 PM
Oh great, he's back. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/NikeYoung/Emoticons/-_-.gif

TruthSeeker1234
8th October 2006, 10:55 AM
No, I am not Skeptic4sure or anyone else on this forum. I assume administrators can check IP addresses and I invite them to do so.

As to my alleged narcissisim, this is funny. My bringing up facts about myself was in response to other members who were speculating and showing interest about who I am and what I do. If you guys are interested in who I am and what I do, I will tell you. If you're not, that's fine, we can drop it.

I am here to learn and to argue. I have already been corrected on mistakes, such as my erroneous statement that Lisa Jefferson was a 911 operator, and my confounding of the air samples with the dust samples.

I do wish that this forum could be more evidence-and-logic-based, and less reliant upon ad hominems and insults, but, alas, it is what it is.

Regnad Kcin
8th October 2006, 11:23 AM
I do wish that this forum could be more evidence-and-logic-based, and less reliant upon ad hominems and insults, but, alas, it is what it is.Says the charmer who compares those who maintain the conventional notions re: 9/11 with Holocaust deniers.

Oliver
8th October 2006, 11:25 AM
...administrators can check IP addresses...

If you believe in IPīs then i donīt wonder why you believe in CT-Crap. :boggled:

Darat
8th October 2006, 11:41 AM
No, I am not Skeptic4sure or anyone else on this forum. I assume administrators can check IP addresses and I invite them to do so.

...snip...

As Admin:

On 1st October, shortly after you were suspended, you attempted to register a new account and as per the rules (i.e. only one account per person) we did not allow this.

Bell
8th October 2006, 12:27 PM
Ooops...

TruthSeeker1234
8th October 2006, 01:04 PM
On 1st October, shortly after you were suspended, you attempted to register a new account and as per the rules (i.e. only one account per person) we did not allow this.

I beg your pardon, I did no such thing.

Gravy
8th October 2006, 02:30 PM
I beg your pardon, I did no such thing.
It was his cousin, using his computer.

Lisa Simpson
8th October 2006, 02:30 PM
It was the NWO.

Mid
8th October 2006, 03:06 PM
I have super secret info. from an admin at this site, for confidentiality let's call her Lisa S, no that's too obvious, make that L. Simpson, that the NWO was responsible for this.

(Yes I know but I've wanted to do that Simpsons quote for so long now)

Lisa Simpson
8th October 2006, 03:07 PM
Isn't it great when a quote fits just right?

Mid
8th October 2006, 03:16 PM
Isn't it great when a quote fits just right?

:D

Foolmewunz
8th October 2006, 05:55 PM
Naming pattern same. Questions same. Insisting on no NIST documentation same.

http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6892

Have fun, guys! :D

Foolmewunz
8th October 2006, 06:00 PM
Here's my shot at the Randy million. I predict that the Skeptic Friends Network is about to get a few new members/visitors. (Instantaneous posting rights....)

Ergo123 is, within a 98.7% certainty (I got that from T'ai Chi :D ), TS1234.
Even the syntax and haughty attitude is the same.

Babylon Sister
8th October 2006, 06:07 PM
Naming pattern same. Questions same. Insisting on no NIST documentation same.

http://www.skepticfriends.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6892

Have fun, guys! :D

Glad I'm not the only one to think that. Just a little too heavy on the deja vu.

(I'm not registered at SFN but I lurk there frequently.)