9/11 video by responding medic

[Bell]

In the week of 9/11/01 CNN broadcast a video made by a medic or doctor who responded to the tragedy. He had a videocamera strapped to his arm and filmed the whole thing, while attending to victims, and seeking shelter from the dustclouds of the collapsing towers.

Anyone remember this film? And knows if this film is on the net somewhere?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

In here maybe? http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cocoon/minerva/html/sept11/sept11-about.html

[Mancman]

I reckon this is the one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebCiecqbdws

[Bell]

I reckon this is the one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebCiecqbdws

Thanks, that's it indeed!

[Gravy]

I've never seen that before. Dr. Heath is one cool customer.

[Bell]

IIRC he later was a studio guest at CNN, I think (not sure) they then showed more of the film.

[MRC_Hans]

So much for TS123½'s (and others') "pyroclastic flow" :nope:. In fact is there any record of anybody being killed by the dust-cloud, scary as it was? Of course, people may have been struck by falling debris, but I seriously doubt that the dust itself would pose any immidiate danger to a healthy person.

Hans

[Gravy]

So much for TS123½'s (and others') "pyroclastic flow" :nope:. In fact is there any record of anybody being killed by the dust-cloud, scary as it was? Of course, people may have been struck by falling debris, but I seriously doubt that the dust itself would pose any immidiate danger to a healthy person.

Hans
I suppose only an autopsy report could say for sure. Many people had serious respiratory problems from the dust that required hospitalization. Keep in mind that the clip is edited. It was pitch black in the dust cloud for about 10 minutes.

[Josh Redstone]

It did pose a long term health risk though, if I'm not mistaken. In fact, I saw a program on TV about how some of the firefighters were fighting the government for more compensation money for their health care costs.

....still isn't the same as a pyroclastic flow though =)

[G-K-4]

Here is a CNN transcript of eithe rthat showing of this video or another. Probably another since this transcript has a Heath scene cut from the YouTube video:

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.53.html

Note that this is from 4:20pm on September 11, 2001.

Also note the brief interview at the beginning, with structural engineer Jim Destefano.

The vertical elements are columns, and those are the elements that are holding the whole building up, and those are the critical, vulnerable elements that clearly failed in a buckling mode from the high temperatures and the damage from the impact.

If the conspiracy buffs like instant reporting and instant reactions, why don't they use this quote? :rolleyes:

By the way, which tower does Heath record collapsing?

[Big Les]

Yes, I think the clue there should be in the "pyro" part of the word. Didn't the "troofers" DO high-school geography/natural sciences/whatever you call it there?

[kevin]

I seriously doubt that the dust itself would pose any immidiate danger to a healthy person.


The fireproofing on the lower floors of WTC was mainly asbestos. Concerns about it's health issues were just coming up so they switched to the spray-on fireproofing higher up and encapsulated the asbestos on the lower floors. Among other things ,there was a lot of asbestos in the air that day.

[MRC_Hans]

That was the reason I used the term "immidiate" danger. Long-term effects remain to be seen.

Hans

[CurtC]

From the talking head at the beginning of that video:We now have some pictures that were taken by an amateur photographer who was on the scene near the explosion...
We need to notify the LC Forum so they can add this to their too-long list of witnesses who use the word "explosion," which they copy and paste the whole of anytime anyone questions whether there were bombs.

[CurtC]

That was the reason I used the term "immidiate" danger. Long-term effects remain to be seen.
I for one noticed your use of that word. As for the long-term effects, it's never a good idea to expose people to airborne asbestos fibers, but the disabling effects observed as a result of asbestos were from people who mined the stuff, working for decades in asbestos mines. Out of all the things to be worried about if you were in the vicinity of the collapsing towers, I think asbestos has to be pretty far down the list, behind breathing the concrete dust even.

[jujigatami]

This whole "Pyroclastic Flow" is so ludicrous its painful.

The dust/ash cloud was huge. It was awful, and I do wonder what the heck I was breathing in that day. It was also hot ash, not burning hot by any measure, but hot nonetheless. Certainly no hotter than a hot bathtub.

When we was pulling people out of the dust and in to our building, we would open the door and get a blasting of dust. It hurt if it got in your eyes, but had no effect on your exposed skin.

In fact, crazy as it sounds, a guy I worked with actually went out in the dust (not when it was pitch black, but still really really thick) to the deli next door to get a sandwich.

No problem.

If it was a pyroclastic flow, he (and I) would have been incinerated.

Pyroclastic flow... Bah.

[Bell]

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By the way, which tower does Heath record collapsing?

That's WTC1.

[firecoins]

Does a collapsing building make a noise other than explosion if explosives aren't used?

[Bell]

Does a collapsing building make a noise other than explosion if explosives aren't used?

Yes, it makes a sound like a train (http://loosetrains911.blogspot.com/).

[Hamradioguy]

I remember that video well, and it sends a chill down my spine whenever I see it: The chirping noises you hear are PASS devices, that every firefighter wears, going off. They only sound when a firefighter doesn't move for 30 seconds- meaning he's either unconscious or dead. It's a sound no one in the fire service wants to hear

[Bell]

Hamradioguy, do these PASS devices only sound alarm when a firefighters stays immobile, or do they continue after the firefighters starts moving again?

[Hamradioguy]

Hamradioguy, do these PASS devices only sound alarm when a firefighters stays immobile, or do they continue after the firefighters starts moving again?

Once you move they generally stop. Sometimes you have to shake them or give them a good wack with your hand to get them to stop however. They're super loud (After all, the idea is to guide your buddies to you if your down and or burried in rubble.) so if you stop moving for some benign reason (taking a break for example) they will go off after half a minute and you either get moving or give the device a thump. (You can hear some of 'em sounding in the Naudet video where the firefighters in the lobby of WTC 2 are donning their air paks.)

[Beerina]

In fact, crazy as it sounds, a guy I worked with actually went out in the dust (not when it was pitch black, but still really really thick) to the deli next door to get a sandwich.

That's pretty odd. Did you guys not realize the building had collapsed? Why would he think "business as usual" was going on at that moment? That is a good question, now that I think about it. What did you think was going on at that moment?

[Beerina]

I remember that video well, and it sends a chill down my spine whenever I see it: The chirping noises you hear are PASS devices, that every firefighter wears, going off. They only sound when a firefighter doesn't move for 30 seconds- meaning he's either unconscious or dead. It's a sound no one in the fire service wants to hear

Yeah I remember that video, too (at work, not gonna tag youtube to watch it.) All these whistles going off everywhere, everywhere.

Was this the closest video (that, perhaps, didn't need "recovery")?

[Bell]

Once you move they generally stop. Sometimes you have to shake them or give them a good wack with your hand to get them to stop however. They're super loud (After all, the idea is to guide your buddies to you if your down and or burried in rubble.) so if you stop moving for some benign reason (taking a break for example) they will go off after half a minute and you either get moving or give the device a thump. (You can hear some of 'em sounding in the Naudet video where the firefighters in the lobby of WTC 2 are donning their air paks.)

That makes it more grimm. I thought they made the sound even after moving. Because the sound is also so loud in the video, it is like dr. Mark Heath is walking past the standing firemen who have these PASS devices going off.

[Xenomorph911]

I've posted a longer version up on Youtube If any one wants to have a look see. It's about 5 and a half minutes. With no narrations. And nothing censored either, like CNN did during their Pipeline broadcast. You can see the video in it's entirety as it aired on 9/11 and on CNN.com for some time. Reports of explosions and all. I apologize for the quality, it's a very old Divx file that obviously Youtube had a hard time recoding. Since I can't provide a link, go check out the other file link here again, I've posted a video response to it. The link is there. -Xenomorph911

[Bell]

I've posted a longer version up on Youtube If any one wants to have a look see. It's about 5 and a half minutes. With no narrations. And nothing censored either, like CNN did during their Pipeline broadcast. You can see the video in it's entirety as it aired on 9/11 and on CNN.com for some time. Reports of explosions and all. I apologize for the quality, it's a very old Divx file that obviously Youtube had a hard time recoding. Since I can't provide a link, go check out the other file link here again, I've posted a video response to it. The link is there. -Xenomorph911

Thanks Xeno.

Here's a clicky to that video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B7JW0XT4I

[Xenomorph911]

Since the quality of that very old video I uploaded to Youtube previously was so bad on Youtube, I've recoded it at a very high bitrate. So That you can actually see it now. I'll post a response to my own video again. This time it will be much better quality. The recoding turned out to be 95 MB from what was a 25 MB file originally. That'd be great if someone could post a second link. Just trying to help out really. I have some frighteniing videos and I've only just started. Mainly, right now, I'm trying to draw everyones attention to the collapse of the core of World Trade Center 2 South. Often much overlooked. But you can see it in many videos. Keep an eye on my releases. Take care everyone. Best wishes! -Xenomorph911

[Xenomorph911]

Back again. I had to put it up on Google. Here is a decent version of the video. Once again sorry. You can actually see what's going on this time, lol. Sorry anyway maybe I should move over to google.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5396204523118393835

-Xenomorph911

[Shrinker]

Back again. I had to put it up on Google. Here is a decent version of the video. Once again sorry. You can actually see what's going on this time, lol. Sorry anyway maybe I should move over to google.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5396204523118393835

-Xenomorph911

Jeez, how horrific does a video have to be before you deniers wake up to what it is you're playing with? Doesn't this one deserve to be presented respectfully without all your 'demolition' bullsh*t plastered all over it? This is not the loading screen to some online adventure game. Grow up.

The firefighters in that video, are according you our ilk, 'in on it'. They're taking money to keep quiet about the so-called explosions. Do you 'study' that video repeatedly, thinking they all deverve to be choking on that dust? They deserve to have hundreds of their brothers lying dead around them? Do you even have the capacity to think through your claims to their logical conclusions, or are you just playing hunt-the-pixel for high-fives with your idiot friends?

Welcome to the forum, I hope you learn something here.