the chemtrails conpiracy

[Oliver]

Let´s relax and laugh a littlebit.

What type of brainwashing NWO chemicals do some Tinhats think of by looking at the sky above? (the chemtrail-paranoia)

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15849

Is this the current most stupid theory of the month and i missed it?

[Redtail]

Let´s relax and laugh a littlebit.

What type of brainwashing NWO chemicals do some Tinhats think of by looking at the sky above? (the chemtrail-paranoia)

Is this the current most stupid theory of the month and i missed it?

Sweet Enola GAY! How.... How do.....

[JamesB]

Let´s relax and laugh a littlebit.

What type of brainwashing NWO chemicals do some Tinhats think of by looking at the sky above? (the chemtrail-paranoia)

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=15849

Is this the current most stupid theory of the month and i missed it?

ROTFLMAO

Sending pics to local paper as well. Just tell us what they are please!

I am sure they will get their top reporter on the story! Where is Bob Woodward?

[CurtC]

A few weeks ago at the LC Forum, I got suspended for trying to clear up their misconceptions about chemtrails. Seems Johnny Doughboy considered it "debating."

[Redtail]

From the above link:

We continually witness bizarre meteorological occurrences as powerful electromagnetic devices manipulate both the jet stream and individual storm fronts to create artificial weather and climatic conditions. Black operations projects embedded within these aerosol missions are documented to sicken and disorient select populations with biological test agents and psychotronic mind/mood control technologies.

For God’s sake, this is what we should be teaching our kids in schools, because these are the most profound threats to our survival. But about fluoride, depleted uranium, and chemtrails, we hear not a peep in the mainstream media or in our college curricula. Other than the American political psychosis now casting its dark shadow around the world, these are the most important topics everyone in the world should be discussing constantly.

I believe that it was Carlos Mencia who said: Dee dee Dee!

[WildCat]

Sweet Enola GAY! How.... How do.....
That was my exact reaction when I first heard of the contrail chemtrail nutters. Complete disbelief that people could be so stupid as to believe in such things. UFO and Bigfoot hunters are infinitely more grounded in reality than the chemtrail crowd!

[jsiv]

Why don't they get JohnDoe to rent an airplane and go up there to take some samples?

Has this ever been done?

[joobz]

Rishta, then explain to me why I never saw jet trails like these when I was a kid 40 years ago. Tell me why I never saw them like this at all until last year.

to answer this you could go with the rational:
maybe because there was more prop-planes or there was just less air traffic.

or you could go with the more fun answer:
You don't remember the chemtrails, because the chemtrails from last year wiped your memory of them. These chemtrails are now planting conspricy theories into your head to distract you from the real issue:
The league of reverse vampires and saucer people!

[Redtail]

to answer this you could go with the rational:
maybe because there was more prop-planes or there was just less air traffic.

or you could go with the more fun answer:
You don't remember the chemtrails, because the chemtrails from last year wiped your memory of them. These chemtrails are now planting conspricy theories into your head to distract you from the real issue:
The league of reverse vampires and saucer people!

Or an overdose of conspricy radiation has made him forget.

[jsiv]

I almost never see any contrails or chemtrails around here. Plenty of planes, very few trails. I guess I live in the town the NWO forgot.

:wackyno:

[Oliver]

I almost never see any contrails or chemtrails around here. Plenty of planes, very few trails. I guess I live in the town the NWO forgot.

Well i gave it a try, looked out of the window and guess what i see right now? Some crazy chemtrail pilot wrote something in the air...hard to read...wu...wuua........wake up, schmuck! :D

[WildCat]

Why don't they get JohnDoe to rent an airplane and go up there to take some samples?

Has this ever been done?
On another board I've suggested they do this. I get nothing but links to wackjob sites where they claim to have done this (but reading the sites shows it wasn't done) or silly excuses how they can't because the labs are all in on the conspiracy.

[jsiv]

On another board I've suggested they do this. I get nothing but links to wackjob sites where they claim to have done this (but reading the sites shows it wasn't done) or silly excuses how they can't because the labs are all in on the conspiracy.
I remember reading several years ago that one of them had an air filter in their house analyzed and claimed the results were proof of chemtrails. I guess that's as close as they've gotten.

Really though, it probably wouldn't take much more than half an hour to get it done and solve the mystery once and for all! I guess talking about it on a message board is more important than actually doing it. Seems to be a recurring theme with these people.

[T.A.M.]

1. I doubt any aircraft company is going to let JDX take anything up in the sky. I suspect he has been ordered not to, and hence the reason he is able to spend so much time and energy into the TWOOF.

2. Chemtrails are the silliest CT I have ever heard. Here is my beef. There is good evidence that the amount of EM radiation one recieves from spending time infront of the computer is more than anyone would get from highwires, etc..., yet the CTists go bonkers over "cancer" caused by living under powerlines. If you ask me, the computer geek CT nuts should get off their asses and protest the Monitor companies, or Bill Gates for creating such a machine that would consume most of our lives, and expose us to EMR for many hours of the day.

TAM:D

[T.A.M.]

I remember reading several years ago that one of them had an air filter in their house analyzed and claimed the results were proof of chemtrails. I guess that's as close as they've gotten.

Really though, it probably wouldn't take much more than half an hour to get it done and solve the mystery once and for all! I guess talking about it on a message board is more important than actually doing it. Seems to be a recurring theme with these people.

ah yes, but you see there in lies the problem. If they were to perform such tests, their theories would be destroyed. That is exactly what the CTers wont do, but will complain that it isnt being done by others.

TAM

[joobz]

I remember reading several years ago that one of them had an air filter in their house analyzed and claimed the results were proof of chemtrails. I guess that's as close as they've gotten.

Really though, it probably wouldn't take much more than half an hour to get it done and solve the mystery once and for all! I guess talking about it on a message board is more important than actually doing it. Seems to be a recurring theme with these people.
No, man, cause if you conduct those experiments. They'll know who you are...
You gotta stay off their radar, but keep your eyes open:eye-poppi

[Foster Zygote]

I remember reading several years ago that one of them had an air filter in their house analyzed and claimed the results were proof of chemtrails. I guess that's as close as they've gotten.

Really though, it probably wouldn't take much more than half an hour to get it done and solve the mystery once and for all! I guess talking about it on a message board is more important than actually doing it. Seems to be a recurring theme with these people.

Why do I think the analysis was conducted by someone with a collection of alien urine in mason jars on the shelves in his garage. Someone named Rusty Shackleford...

Steven

[steve s]

Is this the current most stupid theory of the month and i missed it?

It never ceases to amaze me that these nuts can't figure out that long-lasting contrails almost always occur when there are also high altitude cirrus clouds (as his pics show). The same atmospheric conditions that cause the cirrus clouds also allow the contrails to linger for hours.
When there are no clouds in the sky, the contrails tend to be very short-lived. CTists apparantly can't add 2+2.

Just this evening about 90% of the sky was free of clouds, and the contrails from the jets in that area were very short. But off in the distance to the west there was a line of cirrus clouds, and the contrails in that area were very long. Just goes to show how the conditions can change in a fairly short distance.

Steve S.

[Bell]

I first heard about this CT a couple of months ago, when a friend of mine, who is a pilot, told about it. I couldn't believe people being that stupid. Offcourse I was wrong.

btw, 2+2 = 100

[steve s]

maybe because there was more prop-planes or there was just less air traffic.



Even prop-planes can create contrails...
http://www.goodsky.homestead.com/files/B17trails.jpg

Steve S.

[ktesibios]

Rishta, then explain to me why I never saw jet trails like these when I was a kid 40 years ago. Tell me why I never saw them like this at all until last year.

I did see an instance of persistent, spreading contrails when I was a kid nearly forty years ago. To be exact, it was in the early fall of 1968, when I was starting sixth grade. The incident stuck in my memory because one of my classmates was a meteorology buff (when I visited the old home town a few years ago his homemade anemometer was still spinning proudly above his old house) and when I remarked on the way the trails had morphed into a skim of cirrus clouds he gave me quite an earful about how clouds form and dissipate.

I once related that memory, along with some evidence that persistent contrails have been observed since WWII, in a "chemtrails" thread on the Portland Indymedia site.

The response was that I was lying, since a persistent contrail is by definition a chemtrail and the eevil gummint hadn't been spraying them in the 1960s.

At least the Troofers haven't called Rishta, who also remembers seeing them way back, a liar.

Yet.

[fuelair]

Let me be sure I am clear on this. They are outside, phtographing the "chemtrails". The mystery stuff in the "chemtrails" is dispersing. It affects memory, behavior, etc . So, what protective gear are they wearing - besides the aluminum hats and mommies underwear- that allows them to remember they took the photos and put them in for processing? I'm guessing the NWO needs stronger stuff in its' chemtrails fer sher.

[Bell]

Let me be sure I am clear on this. They are outside, phtographing the "chemtrails". The mystery stuff in the "chemtrails" is dispersing. It affects memory, behavior, etc . So, what protective gear are they wearing - besides the aluminum hats and mommies underwear- that allows them to remember they took the photos and put them in for processing? I'm guessing the NWO needs stronger stuff in its' chemtrails fer sher.

Fuelair, without your permisson, I forwared your post to my local NWO officer at the synagogue. No doubt he will pass it on to his superiours. If all goes well, you'll get an invite from the NWO HRM in the next couple of days. Just mention my name.

[Zygar]

I grew up less than a mile from an air force base and I remember staring at "ChemTrails" 20 years ago for hours at a time. Watching new ones form, and hang in the air until they dissipated. I never had any advers... Sorry, was I talking about something?

[NobbyNobbs]

My father-in-law is a firm believer in chemtrails, although I don't recall if he ever fully explained what he thought their purpose was.

[steve s]

They claim that these chemicals are supposed to make us docile and subserviant to the govt, but America is more polarized now than at any time since Vietnam. Apparantly the chemicals aren't working very well.

And is dispersing them into the upper atmosphere the best way of spreading them? Wouldn't it be better to use those trucks that spray for mosquitos?

Steve S.

[Redtail]

They claim that these chemicals are supposed to make us docile and subserviant to the govt, but America is more polarized now than at any time since Vietnam. Apparantly the chemicals aren't working very well.

And is dispersing them into the upper atmosphere the best way of spreading them? Wouldn't it be better to use those trucks that spray for mosquitos?

Steve S.

I guess they believe that only they are immune.

[MortFurd]

I first heard about this CT a couple of months ago, when a friend of mine, who is a pilot, told about it. I couldn't believe people being that stupid. Offcourse I was wrong.

btw, 2+2 = 100
No, man.
That's 585 feet+ 600 miles per hour=1185 feet. (ref. Killtown.)

[GlennB]

Th UK 9/11 CT mob were speculating that the chemtrails were
a) a secret contraceptive spray to lower population levels
or
b) a fungal infection that damaged the immune system and also killed off horse-chestnut trees

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4557

[qarnos]

Those evil NWO guys were even doing this in WWII!!!

http://www.goodsky.homestead.com/files/gallery.html

note: some images are broken.

[MRC_Hans]

This chemtrail CT is rather old hat. I even wrote an article : http://www.hans-egebo.dk/skeptic/contrails.htm

(shameless spam)

The fun thing is, they (persistent contrails) have been around as long as we have had high-flying planes. In WW2, the skies over Europe could be full of them from the bomber streams (not much to the liking of bomber pilots, since it made it easier to see them). These days they are all over the world. So, according to CTs ALL governments, and all military forces are in on this and in agreement. That alone should tell you all.

I also looked a bit into the logistics of the thing. To spray just the USA on a weekly basis, you'd need a fleet comparable to a medium-sized airline, complete with ground personnel, suppliers of thousands of tons of whatever it is they are supposed to be spraying, etc, etc.

Hans

[qarnos]

This chemtrail CT is rather old hat. I even wrote an article : http://www.hans-egebo.dk/skeptic/contrails.htm

(shameless spam)

The fun thing is, they (persistent contrails) have been around as long as we have had high-flying planes. In WW2, the skies over Europe could be full of them from the bomber streams (not much to the liking of bomber pilots, since it made it easier to see them).

"Like signposts in the sky for the enemy to spot us".

These days they are all over the world. So, according to CTs ALL governments, and all military forces are in on this and in agreement. That alone should tell you all.

I also looked a bit into the logistics of the thing. To spray just the USA on a weekly basis, you'd need a fleet comparable to a medium-sized airline, complete with ground personnel, suppliers of thousands of tons of whatever it is they are supposed to be spraying, etc, etc.

Hans

Not to mention the volume of chemicals they must waste spraying them endlessly into the ocean on inter-continental flights. Idiots.

[MRC_Hans]

Yeah, I took a number of great pics of persistent contrails last summer. Over the baltic ocean.

Hans

[Alareth]

Chemtrails are just a distraction to keep people from thinking about flurodated water supplies

:boxedin:

[apathoid]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/99024504f61c3b197.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=1423) OMFG !!11! You guys are all sheeple..JUST LOOK AT THESE PICTOORZ!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0239080/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0569626/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0332946/L/

Any idiot can see that these trails are not normal, this is science!
What more proof do you need? :eek: :rolleyes: :eye-poppi :jaw-dropp :g1:

:whistling

[/ctmode]

[Stellafane]

The whole chemtrails thing makes me wonder if the USA is turning into a cargo cult -- you know, like those villagers on some island somewhere who worship airplanes because they think they're some kind of god or something. "Hey Jeb, wot's that long, fuzzy thang in thuh sky up thay-yuh?" "Doan' know, Mamma, but I'll tell yah this" (cocks shotgun ominously) "I shoah 'nuff doan like it!"

The human capacity to be willfully stupid knows no bounds.

[TjW]

I did see an instance of persistent, spreading contrails when I was a kid nearly forty years ago. To be exact, it was in the early fall of 1968, when I was starting sixth grade. The incident stuck in my memory because one of my classmates was a meteorology buff (when I visited the old home town a few years ago his homemade anemometer was still spinning proudly above his old house) and when I remarked on the way the trails had morphed into a skim of cirrus clouds he gave me quite an earful about how clouds form and dissipate.

I once related that memory, along with some evidence that persistent contrails have been observed since WWII, in a "chemtrails" thread on the Portland Indymedia site.

The response was that I was lying, since a persistent contrail is by definition a chemtrail and the eevil gummint hadn't been spraying them in the 1960s.

At least the Troofers haven't called Rishta, who also remembers seeing them way back, a liar.

Yet.
It's always fun to point out the section in Antoine St-Exupery's "Flight To Arras", where he mentions the contrails expanding and covering the sky until the evening. Then you have to wonder how many other famous authors are in on it.

[gfunkusarelius]

so i guess teh NWO has special antidotes for whatever these chemtrails are emitting?

i never understand these sorts of theories (NWO using mind control to quell masses) considering the level of dissent of the people is not dropping. in other words, if they are doing this to control the world, they are doing a crappy job, as evidenced byt the people who are hip to it...do these troothers wear special masks to keep it from affecting them???

[fuelair]

so i guess teh NWO has special antidotes for whatever these chemtrails are emitting?

i never understand these sorts of theories (NWO using mind control to quell masses) considering the level of dissent of the people is not dropping. in other words, if they are doing this to control the world, they are doing a crappy job, as evidenced byt the people who are hip to it...do these troothers wear special masks to keep it from affecting them???

Nope - aluminum foil hats and their mommies' underwear!

[Oliver]

Nope - aluminum foil hats and their mommies' underwear!

Both on their heads - plus praying in the conspiracy-nut bible. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745204d297d033.gif

[Alareth]

Nope - aluminum foil hats and their mommies' underwear!

Always make your own (http://zapatopi.net/afdb/)

[Oliver]

Always make your own (http://zapatopi.net/afdb/)

And i thought it couldn´t get much worse... :boggled:

http://zapatopi.net/psychalking

[Alareth]

And i thought it couldn´t get much worse... :boggled:

http://zapatopi.net/psychalking

zapatopi is my favorite parody CT/woo site. Their real claim to fame though is the conservation efforts of the rare Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus (http://www.zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/)

[LTC8K6]

Contrails have been persistent ever since airplanes got way up there.

1940:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/images/22aug1.jpg

1958:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/094277/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/137564/M/

Good ww2 story and vid:
http://www.381st.org/stories_lloyd-contrails.html

WW2:
http://home.att.net/~ltc8k6/WW2skeins.jpg

WW2 contrails report:
http://naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk/reports/1942/naca-wr-l-474.pdf

From the book The Big Show by Peter Cloistermann:

"Hallo Dalmat Red one, Pandor calling, bandit approaching B for Baker, at angels Z for Zebra, climb flat on vector zero nine five. Out!

I fumbled inside my boot for my code card, which had got mixed up with my maps. I was so clumsy about it I had to ask Pandor to repeat.

O.K. a Jerry was approaching Scapa Flow at altitude Z - I looked it up on the card. Phew! Z meant 40,000 feet. I set my course, still climbing at full boost. Ian's Spit hovered a few yards away...the arctic sun pierced my eyeballs. I switched on the heating and set the pressure in my cabin...In five minutes we had got to 23,000 feet.

Forty-one thousand feet! The cold was really getting frightful and I turned the oxygen full on. Thanks to the pressurised ****pit the pain was bearable. From now on our exhaust gases left a heavy white trail which stretched out and widened behind us like the wake of a ship. We had the sun behind us.

Our special engines were pulling beautifully and our lenghthened wing supported us well in the rarified air. Ian was parallel to me about 900 yards away and we had gained another 2,000 feet, which brought us roughly 1,000 feet higher than our quarry, who was about 2 miles away and approaching rapidly. He must be as blind as a bat.

Tally ho, Ian, ready to attack?

O.K.

He had seen us, but too late. We converged on him. To our surprise it was a Messerschmitt 109G equipped with two fat auxiliary tanks under the wings. He shone like a newly minted penny and he was camouflaged pale-grey above and sky-blue underneath. He had no nationality marks.

First he turned left, but Ian was there, veering towards him. He reversed his turn, saw me, and, with a graceful continuous movement, banked more steeply, rolled gently over on his back, diving vertically in the hope of leaving us behind.

Without hesitation we followed him. He dived straight towards the grey sea which looked congealed, without a wrinkle. He was half a mile ahead of us, with his tanks still fixed to his wings. The speed increased dizzily. At these heights, you have to be careful because you soon reach the speed of sound and then, look out! There is strong risk of finding yourself hanging on a parachute, in your underpants, in less time than it takes to describe it.

_______________________________________________

From the Book Flight To Arras by Antoine de Saint Exupery 1942, about a mission in 1940:

"Are the anti-aircraft firing, Dutertre?"
"I believe they are firing, Captain."

Dutertre cannot tell. The bursts are too distant and the smoke is blended in with the ground. They cannot hope to bring us down by such vague firing. At thirty three thousand feet we are virtually invulnerable. They are firing in order to gauge our position, and probably also to guide the fighter groups towards us. A fighter group diluted in the sky like invisible dust.

The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance created by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.

The fighters are guided towards us by their radio, by the bursts on the ground, and by the ostentatious luxury of our white scarf. Nevertheless we swim in an emptiness almost interplanetary. Everything around us and within us is total immobility."

**********

Saint-Exupery and his buddy were flying high altitude photography runs in 1940. They were using oxygen, but no pressurization. He mentions that everything froze on the plane, including the controls, guns, throttle. He talks about having to keep squeezing his oxygen supply tube and mask to keep them open and working. Has to kick the rudder, etc. Asks his buddy to check the pressure in the oxygen bottles. Talks about how the altitude is probably damaging his health.

"Into the exhaust pipe of my mask I spat icicles fine as needles. From time to time I had to crush the the stopper of frost that continued to form inside the flexible rubber, lest it suffocate me. When I squeezed the tube, I felt it grate in my palm."

[CurtC]

Forty-one thousand feet! The cold was really getting frightful and I turned the oxygen full on. Thanks to the pressurised ****pit the pain was bearable.
Watch your language in the forum!

[LTC8K6]

Test

cockpit

It wasn't this board.