Would you believe it in trinary?

[Ericka]

You can compress information using trinary computers. The RGB channels on your monitor hold 1 byte for each channel in every pixel. So you can view the following image without having to even open up a text file. The only question is do you believe it?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_120174526c1ed00aaa.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=1805)

Go ahead and try to guess what you are reading.

[Apathia]

Matthew?

[scotth]

I do believe in trinary. I even know what trinary is (which doesn't seem to be the case with you). The soviets used to build trinary logic devices back in the day.

Whatever you are trying to demonstrate has nothing to do with trinary.


Moving on....
So, you've funneled text into a image file (then jpg compressed it so that the original text will never be recoverable) and want us to declare if we believe without being able to read it.

All I have to go on is who posted it.... let me see, this is a tough one.

Nope, I don't believe it.

[RSLancastr]

Go ahead and try to guess what you are reading.Looks like english to me.

[logical muse]

So you can view the following image without having to even open up a text file. The only question is do you believe it?

Hi Ericka,

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Opening a text file is not a usual requirement for viewing images on the internet.

I don't know what it is you're asking me to believe, but my general principle on belief is that I don't.

[Zygar]

This makes me think of those ridiculous CSI image enhancements. You take 1 pixel and run some sort of filter on it, and suddenly you have a crystal clear license plate from that one pixel. Please...

[skeptic2]

I never heard of trinary until this thread, but here is my understanding...

A 'trit' can be value 0, 1 or 2.

The first (in fact last) position represents 1, the next 1x3=3, the next 3x3=9.

So 222 represents (2x9) + (2x3) + (2x1) = 26. So we can represent any letter of the alphabet with only three trits.

I assume the RGB channels are supposed to represent the three trits. But this means we should find that each channel is in one of three distinct states. The problem is, when I read the RGB values of the pixels, there are no three distinct states:

84
77
84
97
91
95
100
94
96
102
97
94
104
99
95
97
92
86
96
91
85
94
89
83
85

The image does appear to be compressed to JPEG quality 75. Maybe this has messed it up, or am I missing something?

[Zygar]

The image does appear to be compressed to JPEG quality 75. Maybe this has messed it up, or am I missing something?

No. Ericka is trying to make some point or another, but as usual has utterly failed.

[skeptic2]

I got the uncompressed image by clicking on the one above (doh - its a thumbnail generated by VBulletin). Will take a look at that.

[scotth]

Welcome aboard skeptic2.

Yup, that is exactly what trinary is. Nope, it has nothing to do with Ericka's post.

[skeptic2]

The RGB values of the image proper are:

107 (R)
30 (G)
112 (B)
57 ...
52
58
111
111
111
33
110
102
99
10
16
95
31
107
104
117
29
115
32
102
116
114
99
110
111
31
116
111
105
10
13
46
116
33
43
115
117
67
74
31
120
101
114
96
104
101
110
52

How to massage three distinct states out of these numbers?

[Ericka]

If you are having trouble with compression you can view the image at:
http://www.ckoogle.com/matthew.bmp

[Ericka]

That image was compressed with WinZip. If you want to read the plain text image, just view http://www.ckoogle.com/matthew2.bmp.

Sorry about the confusion.

[Zep]

I had toast with strawberry jam for breakfast.






Well, that makes as much sense as what's happening here...

[skeptic2]

The image content is

The Gospel According to Saint Matthew


1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the
son of Abraham.

1:2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas
and his brethren; 1:3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and
Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 1:4 And Aram begat Aminadab;
and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 1:5 And Salmon
begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat
Jesse; 1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat
Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; 1:7 And Solomon begat
Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; 1:8 And Asa begat
Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; 1:9 And
Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
1:10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon
begat Josias; 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about
the time they were carried away to Babylon: 1:12 And after they were
brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat
Zorobabel; 1:13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim;
and Eliakim begat Azor; 1:14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat
Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; 1:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and
Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 1:16 And Jacob begat
Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called
Christ.

...


28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

But I'm not sure how this relates to trinary?

[Zygar]

That image was compressed with WinZip. If you want to read the plain text image, just view http://www.ckoogle.com/matthew2.bmp.

Sorry about the confusion.


Nice. So basically by adding a bmp header to the Gospel of Matthew and changing the extension you have successfully given us a brown noise image straight out of the bible.

:eye-poppi

I know that this was pure genius, but I just can't comprehend Ericka's greatness. That's the only explanation that doesn't make my head hurt.

[RSLancastr]

Nice. So basically by adding a bmp header to the Gospel of Matthew and changing the extension you have successfully given us a brown noise image straight out of the bible.I first read that as "brown nose image". :)

[Foolmewunz]

So? Translate the Gospel of St. Whootsit into Swahili and then Plutonian and it's still the Gospel of St. Whootsit. Is this just too clever for words(pun intended)!

What's the point, Ericka? We have to play Where's Waldo before get to the question or non-question?

Pesky kids! Get off my lawn, galdarnit!

[Earthborn]

But I'm not sure how this relates to trinary?I think it is some play on the Holy Trinity (Holy Trinary? ;) ) : the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The question was after all: "... do you believe it?"

So basically we get a section of the Bible and are asked whether we believe in the Bible. For me, the answer is: yes, I believe in the Bible. Heck, I have seen one (with me own two eyes) !

[geni]

You can compress information using trinary computers.

Due to the way our current data storage and processing methods work trinary computers suck.

[c4ts]

01100111011011110110010001100100011010010110010001 10100101110100

[Zygar]

01100111011011110110010001100100011010010110010001 10100101110100


11011110110001001110110011010010110111101110101011 1001101101100
1111001

[c4ts]

11011110110001001110110011010010110111101110101011 1001101101100
1111001

01101100011011110110110000100000011101110111010101 11010000111111

[Zygar]

01101100011011110110110000100000011101110111010101 11010000111111

11010010010000001100100011101010110111001101110011 0111100100000

11001010111001001101001011000110110101101100001001 1101001010011

[.13.]

01101100011011110110110000100000011101110111010101 11010000111111

01101110011001010111001001100100001000010010000000 11101000101001

[Brainache]

One one was a race horse
one two was one too
one one won one race
one two won one too.





sorry, but that's as close as I get to trit talk.

[Zygar]

01101110011001010111001001100100001000010010000000 11101000101001

11100110110100001101000011010000110100001101000011 0100001101000

[brodski]

01000100 01101111 01101110 00100111 01110100 00100000 01110011 01110100 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01100001 01110010 01101111 01110101 01101110 01100100 00100000 01101010 01100001 01100010 01100010 01100101 01110010 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100111 01110010 01100101 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01110100 01100001 01101100 00100000 01100100 01100001 01101110 01100111 01100101 01110010

10 points for the refernce.

[Rasmus]

01000100 01101111 01101110 00100111 01110100 00100000 01110011 01110100 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01100001 01110010 01101111 01110101 01101110 01100100 00100000 01101010 01100001 01100010 01100010 01100101 01110010 01101001 01101110 01100111 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100111 01110010 01100101 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01110100 01100001 01101100 00100000 01100100 01100001 01101110 01100111 01100101 01110010

10 points for the refernce.

Does looking it up count?

Red Dwarf, an old android saying, original in binary, translating to "Don't stand around jabbering when you're in mortal danger."

[brodski]

Does looking it up count?

Red Dwarf, an old android saying, original in binary, translating to "Don't stand around jabbering when you're in mortal danger."

well done sir, take 10 points.

[.13.]

11100110110100001101000011010000110100001101000011 0100001101000

01101100011010010110111001101011 (http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp)

[Zygar]

01010011011011110111001001110010011110010010000100 10000000100000
01001001001000000111011101100001011100110010000001 10000101100011
01100011011010010110010001100101011011100111010001 10000101101100
01101100011110010010000001100100011100100110111101 11000001110000
01101001011011100110011100100000011101000110100001 10010100100000
01110000011100100110010101100011011001010110010001 10100101101110
01100111001000000111101001100101011100100110111101 11001100100000
01101111011011100010000001100001011011000110110000 10000001101111
01100110001000000111010001101000011011110111001101 10010100101110
00100000001000000101011101101000011011110110110001 10010100100000
01100011011011110110111001110110011001010111001001 11001101100001
01110100011010010110111101101110001000000111001101 10100001101111
01110101011011000110010000100000011010000110000101 11011001100101
001000000110001001100101011001010110111000101110

01100111011011110110010001100100011010010110010001 10100101110100

01101111011000100111011001101001011011110111010101 11001101101100
01111001

01101100011011110110110000100000011101110111010101 11010000111111

01101001001000000110010001110101011011100110111001 10111100100000

01100101011100100110100101100011011010110110000100 11101001010011

01101110011001010111001001100100001000010010000000 11101000101001

01110011011010000110100001101000011010000110100001 10100001101000

01101100011010010110111001101011 (http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp)

01010100011010000110000101110100001000000110110001 10100101101110
01101011001000000111011101101111011101010110110001 10010000100000
01101000011000010111011001100101001000000110001101 10111101101101
01100101001000000110100101101110001000000110100001 10000101101110
01100100011110010010111000100000001000000100100100 10000001110111
01100001011100110010000001100100011011110110100101 10111001100111
00100000011010010111010000100000011000010110110001 10110000100000
01110111011010010111010001101000001000000100001101 10000101101100
01100011011101010110110001100001011101000110111101 11001000101110

010011000100111101001100

[c4ts]

01101100011010010110111001101011 (http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp)

01001111011010000010000001110111011011110111011100 10110000100000011100110111010001110010011000010110 10010110011101101000011101000010000001110100011011 11001000000100000101010011010000110100100101001001 00101110001000000101011101101001011101000110100000 10000001110000011101010110111001100011011101000111 01010110000101110100011010010110111101101110001000 01001000000100100100100000011101110110000101110011 00100000011101110110111101101110011001000110010101 11001001101001011011100110011100100000011101110110 10000110000101110100001000000111010001101000011011 11011100110110010100100000011100100110010101100001 01101100011011000111100100100000011011000110111101 10111001100111001000000110110101100101011100110111 00110110000101100111011001010111001100100000011101 11011001010111001001100101001000000110000101101100 01101100001000000110000101100010011011110111010101 11010000101110

[Zygar]

01001110011011110111011100100000011010010110011000
10000001110111011001010010000001100011011000010110
11100010000001101010011101010111001101110100001000
00011001100110100101101110011001000010000001100001
01101110001000000110000101110101011101000110111101
10110101100001011101000110100101100011001000000110
00010111001101100011011010010110100100100000011101
00011011110010000001110100011100100110100101101110
01100001011100100111100100100000011000110110111101
10111001110110011001010111001001110100011001010111
001000101110

[Big Les]

01010111011010000110000101110100001000000110000100 10000001101100011011110110000101100100001000000110 11110110011000100000011001100111010101100011011010 11011010010110111001100111001000000110001001101111 011011000110110001101111011000110110101101110011

[zooloo]

01010100011101010111001001101110001000000110
11110110011001100110001000000111100101101111
01110101011100100010000001100011011011110110
11010111000001110101011101000110010101110010
00101110001000000100011101101111001000000110
11110111010101110100011100110110100101100100
01100101001000000110000101101110011001000010
00000110110101100101011001010111010000100000
01110000011001010110111101110000011011000110
01010010111000100000010101000110000101101100
01101011001000000111010001101111001000000111
01000110100001100101011011010010000001100010
01110101011101000010000001101110011011110111
01000010000001110100011011110110111100100000
01110001011101010110100101100011011010110110
11000111100100101110

[RSLancastr]

I think I took the blue pill...

[Buckaroo]

You can compress information using trinary computers. The RGB channels on your monitor hold 1 byte for each channel in every pixel. So you can view the following image without having to even open up a text file. The only question is do you believe it?

Go ahead and try to guess what you are reading.


01000111011001010111010000100000011011110111010101 11010001100001001000000110100001100101011100100110 01010010110000100000011010110110100101100100001011 00001000000111100101100001001000000110001001101111 01110100011010000110010101110010001000000110110101 10010100101110

[Zygar]

01010100011101010111001001101110001000000110
11110110011001100110001000000111100101101111
01110101011100100010000001100011011011110110
11010111000001110101011101000110010101110010
00101110001000000100011101101111001000000110
11110111010101110100011100110110100101100100
01100101001000000110000101101110011001000010
00000110110101100101011001010111010000100000
01110000011001010110111101110000011011000110
01010010111000100000010101000110000101101100
01101011001000000111010001101111001000000111
01000110100001100101011011010010000001100010
01110101011101000010000001101110011011110111
01000010000001110100011011110110111100100000
01110001011101010110100101100011011010110110
11000111100100101110

01011001011001010110000101101000001011000010
00000110011001101100011101010010000001100011
01100001011011100010000001101101011000010110
10110110010100100000011110010110111101110101
00100000011001000110010101101100011010010111
00100110100101101111011101010111001100100000
01100001011011100110010000100000011101000110
10000110100101101110011010110010000001100001
00100000011101000110100001110010011001010110
00010110010000100000011101110111001001101001
01110100011101000110010101101110001000000110
10010110111000100000011000100110100101101110
01100001011100100111100100100000011010010111
00110010000001100110011101010110111000101110

[Kell]

00110000001100010011000100110000001100010011000100 11000100110001001100000011000100110001001100000011 00010011000000110001001100010011000000110000001100 01001100000011000100110001001100000011000000110000 00110000001100010011000000110000001100000011000000 11000000110000001100010011000100110001001100000011 00010011000000110000001100000011000100110001001100 00001100010011000000110000001100000011000000110001 00110001001100000011000100110000001100000011000100 11000000110001001100010011000100110000001100000011 00010011000100110000001100000011000100110000001100 00001100000011000000110000001100000011000100110001 00110000001100010011000000110000001100010011000000 11000100110001001100010011000000110000001100010011 00010011000000110000001100010011000000110000001100 00001100000011000000110000001100010011000100110000 00110001001100000011000100110000001100000011000100 11000100110001001100000011000100110000001100010011 00000011000100110001001100010011000000110000001100 01001100010011000000110001001100010011000100110000 00110001001100000011000000110000001100000011000100 11000000110000001100000011000000110000001100000011 00010011000100110000001100000011000100110001001100 01001100000011000100110001001100000011000000110001 00110000001100010011000000110001001100010011000100 11000000110001001100000011000000110000001100010011 00010011000100110000001100010011000000110000001100 00001100010011000100110000001100010011000000110000 00110001001100000011000100110001001100000011000100 11000100110001001100000011000000110001001100010011 00000011000000110001001100010011000100110000001100 00001100010011000000110000001100000011000000110000 00110000001100010011000100110001001100000011000000 11000100110001001100000011000100110001001100000011 00010011000000110000001100010011000000110001001100 01001100000011000100110001001100000011000000110000 00110001001100010011000000110001001100010011000000 11000000110000001100010011000100110001001100010011 00000011000000110001

[Zygar]

:D

[scotth]

The only question is do you believe it?


1:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and
Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 1:16 And Jacob begat
Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called
Christ.


Yep, I believe..... I do believe that should have been one of the last bible chapters you would want to trot out (unless you want to demonstrate how ridiculous the bible is). The passage above traces Jesus's prophecy fulfilling lineage up through Joseph. Of course, Joseph never got to boink Mary, so his ancestry fulfills no prophecy at all. Less than useful. And then there is that thing about the other, contradictory, list of ancestors that appear elsewhere in gospels.



16:27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. 28I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom

And one of my favorite lines of the Bible, part 2.

A perfectly clear and incontrovertible false prophecy.

[H3LL]

01010111011010000110000101110100001000000110000100 10000001101100011011110110000101100100001000000110 11110110011000100000011001100111010101100011011010 11011010010110111001100111001000000110001001101111 011011000110110001101111011000110110101101110011

This either is or isn't a violation of rule 1000.


.

[gnome]

10010010111000000111000000111111111111101010100111 000110000110102

[I less than three logic]

10010010111000000111000000111111111111101010100111 000110000110102
Bender: What a horrible dream. 1's and 0's everywhere, and I thought I saw a 2!

Fry: It's ok Bender, it was just a dream. There's no such thing as 2.

[phildonnia]

I will not believe it in trinary.
I will not believe it in a box,
I will not believe it with a fox.
I will not believe it here or there,
I will not believe it anywhere.

[Soapy Sam]

01000111011001010111010000100000011011110111010101 11010001100001001000000110100001100101011100100110 01010010110000100000011010110110100101100100001011 00001000000111100101100001001000000110001001101111 01110100011010000110010101110010001000000110110101 10010100101110


Damme you sir! Take that back at once! It is deeply offensive to my religion!

[Tanstaafl]

Jeez, all these ones and zeroes!

It's supposed to be trinary, folks! Twos, ones and zeroes.

Get with the program!

[logical muse]

Trinary (or ternary) is an abomination.

The bible demands that all communication be done in binary.

Matthew 5:37:

But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

[fuelair]

Where is lifegrazer when you really grease him? And what's up with all this numerology crapola?

[JLam]

01000011011000010110111000100000010010010010000001 10101001110101011100110111010000100000011101000110 00010110101101100101001000000111010001101000011010 01011100110010000001101111011100000111000001101111 01110010011101000111010101101110011010010111010001 11100100100000011101000110111100100000011100110110 00010111100100100000011101000110100001100001011101 00001000000100100100100111011001000010000001110010 01100101011000010110110001101100011110010010000001 10110001101001011010110110010100100000011101000110 11110010000001100110011101010110001101101011001000 00011101000110100001100101001000000110010101110110 01100101011100100010000001101100011010010111011001 10100101101110011001110010000001110011011010000110 10010111010000100000011011110111010101110100001000 00011011110110011000100000010100110110001101100001 01110010011011000110010101110100011101000010000001 00101001101111011010000110000101101110011100110110 0101011011100110111000111111

[Tanstaafl]

Well JLAM, since I don't see flags at the beginning and end, and you didn't seem to do proper 0 bit insertion, I'm afraid I'll have to NAK that undecoded.

[Zygar]

01000011011000010110111000100000010010010010000001 10101001110101011100110111010000100000011101000110 00010110101101100101001000000111010001101000011010 01011100110010000001101111011100000111000001101111 01110010011101000111010101101110011010010111010001 11100100100000011101000110111100100000011100110110 00010111100100100000011101000110100001100001011101 00001000000100100100100111011001000010000001110010 01100101011000010110110001101100011110010010000001 10110001101001011010110110010100100000011101000110 11110010000001100110011101010110001101101011001000 00011101000110100001100101001000000110010101110110 01100101011100100010000001101100011010010111011001 10100101101110011001110010000001110011011010000110 10010111010000100000011011110111010101110100001000 00011011110110011000100000010100110110001101100001 01110010011011000110010101110100011101000010000001 00101001101111011010000110000101101110011100110110 0101011011100110111000111111

Tsk tsk. Rule 8.

Although I agree whole-heartedly!

[Loss Leader]

Trinary (or ternary) is an abomination.

The bible demands that all communication be done in binary.

Matthew 5:37:

I think you mean Matthew 101:100111



ETA: Holy lord, that joke took me twenty minutes. And I'm still not sure I got it right.

[atari24]

I need some good recipes involving eggplant.

[Tanstaafl]

JLam!

Curse you for making me decode that! That was waaaaay too much like work.

And to find such an obvious result at the end!

I mean, of course! Wouldn't we all?

[Tanstaafl]

I think you mean Matthew 101:100101



ETA: Holy lord, that joke took me twenty minutes. And I'm still not sure I got it right.

32+4+1 = 37

[Loss Leader]

32+4+1 = 37

Yeah, I see what I did. I was so focussed on 4+2+1=7 that I forgot that I started with a 2 from the 32 to begin with. I just want to crawl in a hole.

[Tanstaafl]

Geez, you're in a forum with dozens of people spouting insane superstitious drivel, and you're embarrassed about a simple math error?

Ah, I see! You forgot the :D

[Marc L]

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[Zygar]

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[pipelineaudio]

On behalf of Phoenix, Arizona, I apologize for Ericka

[Genesius]

On behalf of Phoenix, Arizona, I apologize for Ericka

Don't you mean "Pheonix"?

:D

[rudar]

A perfectly clear and incontrovertible false prophecy.

Oh, come now. Surely there is no such thing as an incontrivertible false prophecy. For instance, you'll notice that ``tasting death'' is left undefined. Perhaps some of those standing there passed on in a manner that did not involve any particular taste. Also, the prophecy doesn't say ``before the coming of...'', but ``before *seeing* the coming of...'' (emphasis mine). So maybe someone there had a dream, delusion, or LSD trip before joining the choir invisible, which would also fulfill the prophecy, right?

[scotth]

Oh, come now. Surely there is no such thing as an incontrivertible false prophecy. For instance, you'll notice that ``tasting death'' is left undefined. Perhaps some of those standing there passed on in a manner that did not involve any particular taste. Also, the prophecy doesn't say ``before the coming of...'', but ``before *seeing* the coming of...'' (emphasis mine). So maybe someone there had a dream, delusion, or LSD trip before joining the choir invisible, which would also fulfill the prophecy, right?

Rudar,

What I find particularly funny is that your (obviously) tongue in cheek attempt to invalidate my statement is quite a bit better than most of the serious attempts.