Behaving badly...AGAIN

[justsaygnosis]

I just had to post his before Yahzi

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-06-15-keating-catholics_x.htm

Some people just can't take criticism, even when it's warranted.

[Monketey Ghost]

Former Catholic here.

It is just stunning, stunning , that this correct "La Cosa Nostra" comparison would ruffle feathers. Feathers that NEED to be ruffled. If those idiots don't wake up,

Huh. I was about to say they would lose all credibility.

[justsaygnosis]

Originally posted by No Answers
Former Catholic here.



Huh. I was about to say they would lose all credibility.

Intiguing indeed.
A investigative panel member can be reprimanded for speaking his mind yet even to this point charges against the hierarchy that engaged in the cover-up are being withheld.
Without protection the priests who engaged in sexual predation could never have run up the track record they did.

[Yahzi]

Originally posted by justsaygnosis
I just had to post his before Yahzi

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-06-15-keating-catholics_x.htm

Some people just can't take criticism, even when it's warranted.
hehe...

Comparing them to the Mafia was pretty strong; but if you read his comment, he wasn't talking about criminal behaviour but merely about silence.

More of the PC method: "you said a bad word now we get to ignore everything you say." Ad hominen indeed.

[Man of jade]

every system is currupt at some level i suppose

[ebola]

I hope that nobody needs any further proof that the Catholic Church is not interested in solving this problem. If the guilty are protected rather than removed, Catholics can longer assume their priests are innocent. Don't let your sons be altar boys.

Eric

[Barkhorn1x]

Are there any Federal or State prosecutors even interested in this issue??

The mind boggles at the amount of latitude given to religious groups.

Barkhorn.

[ceo_esq]

This is probably going to be a setback for the review board’s efforts, but I think there’s good reason to believe it needn’t be a major one. The remaining review board members appointed by the bishops – which include lawyers, judges, CEOs, a doctor, a former White House chief of staff and a psychologist who was abused by a priest, as well as an investigative staff headed by a former FBI official – seem pretty determined to do the job they’ve been given, with or without Keating. Most of the ones who have gone on the record indicate that they don’t think Keating’s departure will have an overly negative effect.

As for Keating himself, he’s always had a reputation as a straight shooter but a bit of a loose cannon, and his penchant for heated remarks was supposedly well known when he was governor as well as when he was at DOJ and other federal posts under Reagan and Bush. His “Cosa Nostra” comment was injudicious and heavy-handed – it probably went over especially badly with Italian-American Catholics – although I think it was largely misunderstood. As Yahzi pointed out, he was referring not to violent criminality but to a predilection for secrecy, and he was targeting only a few unnamed bishops rather than the U.S. Church generally. (Of course, Yahzi has in the past implausibly compared Catholicism to Nazism, so the odiousness of Keating’s comparison is relative.)

Some of the board members expressed fears that Keating’s weakness for inflammatory language (which he had repeatedly been asked by his fellow panelists to rein in), and his vigorous personality conflicts with one or two bishops, risked overshadowing the panel’s work. I sense that Keating probably came to the same conclusion. If that’s true, then perhaps Keating’s departure was ultimately the most productive outcome despite the obvious cost of losing his service.

The bishops’ strategy of appointing the blue-ribbon review board to oversee the implementation of new policies would still seem to be the best hope for addressing the problem in a comprehensive way.
Originally posted by Barkhorn1x
Are there any Federal or State prosecutors even interested in this issue??

The mind boggles at the amount of latitude given to religious groups.

Barkhorn, you'd better believe there are a goodly number of capable prosecutors - including some I know professionally - interested in this matter nationwide. Grand juries have been convened in several jurisdictions, and overall I don't see very much latitude being given to the dioceses.

If you're wondering why there's a dearth of indictments at the diocesan (bishop) level, though, it's primarily because of a general lack of evidence of any criminal wrongdoing.

[Yahzi]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
(Of course, Yahzi has in the past implausibly compared Catholicism to Nazism, so the odiousness of Keating’s comparison is relative.)

(From memory)

"We're not fascists! Fascists wear black and tell you how to live... oh feck! BEER!"

- Father Ted

[renata]

Keating's resignation letter
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030616/ap_on_re_us/church_abuse_texts_2

Dear Bishop Gregory:

As I have shared with you over the last two months, I intended to relinquish my chairmanship of the National Catholic Review Board on the first year anniversary of the creation of the Board. That time is this week.

During the last year, we accomplished much. Under your leadership and with the bishops' own mandate, we have begun the causes and context, scope and audit processes. The audit is the most significant. Never again will any bishop be able to hide or avoid the scandal of sex abuse in his diocese. As a former FBI (news - web sites) agent and U.S. attorney, I am convinced that pouring law enforcement and audit resources annually into each diocese will reclaim Catholic lay confidence. All of us can be assured of zero tolerance, transparency and criminal referral because outsiders will make sure that that is the case. We also created the Office of Child and Youth Protection, headed by a law enforcement professional. Our message was clear. Sex abuse is not just a moral lapse. It is a crime that should be fully prosecuted.

As I have recently said, and have repeated on several occasions, our church is a faith institution. A home to Christ's people. It is not a criminal enterprise (news - web sites). It does not condone and cover up criminal activity. It does not follow a code of silence. My remarks, which some bishops found offensive, were deadly accurate. I make no apology. To resist grand jury subpoenas, to suppress the names of offending clerics, to deny, to obfuscate, to explain away; that is the model of a criminal organization, not my church.

The humiliation, the horrors of the sex scandal must be a poisonous aberration, a black page in our history that cannot ever recur. It has been disastrous to the church in America.

Most of America's bishops are fully supportive of the board's efforts. They have led and led well and have stood up for virtue. Your own leadership has been extraordinary and courageous. You are a model of the Good Shepherd.

Thank you for the opportunity to serve our faith. Frequently, it was an agony, but with humility and a devotion to the simple truths of the New Testament, good will always prevail.

Sincerely,


Frank Keating




This guy pulls no punches.

[justsaygnosis]

Originally posted by renata
Keating's resignation letter
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030616/ap_on_re_us/church_abuse_texts_2



This guy pulls no punches.

Nor should he. Those who have deemed themselves worthy of evaluating the moral fiber of their following and society at large shold never be immune from what they espuse.
In absolute following of new testament principle it was given,
"as ye judge so shall ye be judged."