Classified details never released.

[5stargeneral]

Well, where the f**k do I start???? I'd say I feel a bit sheepish after all that, but that'd just give you an excuse to have another crack. I have been told off by Darat who appears to be the big boss? in no uncertain terms and have passed on my real name, address, blood type and passport number and I'm sending the tissue sample by TNT Couriers. My mum's sending a copy of my birth certificate and that should just about cover it. You blokes don't mess around do ya? Honesty above all. Oh well, I asked for it, I copped it and now I have a sore arse, so I hope that takes care of my punishment. I'd like to repeat that I wasn't trying to piss you off, I just like to suss people out my own way. I didn't realise you blokes have the KGB running this place, so now I promise to behave at all times! JESUS! What a good start, Ray. That's my actual name as no doubt the KGB can confirm.

I see that some of you are indeed pissed right off about my style.

I'M SORRY

I won't be a frequent poster here 'coz I only usually have mornings and breaks to do this kind of stuff but I cross my heart and promise that I won't try and pull your tits again. It's at times like this I wish I was in New York so I could and smack around some of those CT jerks at Ground Zero to show which side I'm on. And I ain't kidding about whacking those types. I punched some bloke straight in the mouth for telling me I was sucking up to Bush a couple of weeks ago. I wish I had a picture of the bloke - he was pissing out blood like a garden hose. He called the cops and when I explained what had happened they would have been quite happy for me to hook the b****** again!! Looking back I wish I had. LOL

A question on that. Have you ever tried to just smash the protestors? I've always found that smart little s***s like them can change minds real quick when they see a knuckle sandwich headed their way. I read some of Gravy's stuff last night and I know that I couldn't do it, just stand there and debate them. I'd be all over them like a dose of crabs. Mate, you have my utmost respect for being able to do that. I will go and post in there as well. I see there are a few fellow Aussies in here. If you're ever headed over to Balmain, give me a buzz and I'll shout you one at The Comm!

[5stargeneral]

No, we stopped insisting on a correct DOB some time ago. As long as you are over 13, for the COPPA laws.Sorry, love, but that theory's been blown out of the water. Your mate Darat told me that stump up with the truth or we'll suspend you until you do. Hope the tissue sample keeps ok.

[5stargeneral]

I find threats involving castration usually work pretty well. :DTypical bloody Victorian, always thinking about men's privates. LOL

[5stargeneral]

Maybe you should just leave and call it a day.Hey, if that opinion reigns, count me in to piss off and never be heard of again. Right now I'd better get off to work or my boss will make Darat look like that pussy in his pic. I'll pop back later and see if my apologies are accepted or not.

[kookbreaker]

You're not very good at this, are you?

[Lisa Simpson]

Sorry, love, but that theory's been blown out of the water. Your mate Darat told me that stump up with the truth or we'll suspend you until you do. Hope the tissue sample keeps ok.

Could you please, please, please stop lying? Darat did not ask you about your DOB.

[cloudshipsrule]

So, 5star, how old are you? I'm guessing 26.

[stateofgrace]

Let me help you out 5star.

http://www.edirectory.co.uk/pf/images/products/955/images/spade.jpg

Keep digging.

Only messing with you, your apology seems honest enough. If you wish to continue here, then I look forward to seeing you engaging in real and honest debate in future.

Please bear in mind this is not LC, the people here have grown beyond puberty.

Whether you stay or go is entirely up to you. But please bear in mind that many people here take this debate outside this forum and are well used to the tactics of the ct crowd.

If you decide to stay then be honest even if you disagree with official story. The worst thing anybody can do is to try and hide behind the mask of a friend only to be exposed as a Judas.

Welcome to jref.

[5stargeneral]

Could you please, please, please stop lying? Darat did not ask you about your DOB.Sorry to rain on your parade, love. I know you're the deputy chief and all and no doubt the one who told your boss that I'd lied about my age. This is the exact message I recieved from Darat and you can confirm it as you obviously have a copy:
JREF Forum Admin: Profile information missing and/or incorrect
Hi

It's been brought to our attention that the information in your profile does not meet the requirements for an active Membership.

Please supply the following information:

First name
Last Name
Country (and State if in the USA).

If this information is not supplied then your account may be suspended until such time it is supplied. (If there is some reason why you do not wish to supply the information to be stored in the Forum database you may contact jeff@randi.org or PM Jeff Wagg with your request.)

Regards

Darat
JREF Forum Admin
__________________

The bold upsizing is a change made by me, 5sg.

Now, since you went and told Darat, you'd know what you said, but if you go check your own post #171 in this thread, at that stage, the only thing I had said was incorrect was the age. Darat clearly was talking in the first sentence about THAT subject only as you have no way of checking who the hell anyone actually is on this forum, so while his e mail doesn't mention age specifically, that's what started it. Even the heading notes "incorrect" information. If I read that wrong, that would be your boss's mistake in not being specific - don't be calling me a liar about it.

Gotta say, the variety of responses here is entertaining and I feel pretty justified in doing things the way I did. Some of you are able to laugh it off, some of you are upset and some of you have got your panties in a right old twist. I'm beginning to wonder whether there's a huge imbalance in ambitions and capabilities of people here. What have you got? 2200 active members? Out of a population with computers of a billion people plus, that's a pretty small group. Even raging munters like Stormfront.org have ten times as many members and they're just racist filth. I've been in there plenty of times and rarked them up no end. Never asked my age, name or address, though. For a "thinking" forum, I haven't seen a great deal of thinking yet. I'll just keep watching and waiting. Unless I get banned for slagging off the management. Harden up, girlie.

[5stargeneral]

Please bear in mind this is not LC, the people here have grown beyond puberty.
Welcome to jref.
Thanks for the welcome, as you'll see from what I just posted, I need just a little more evidence about the post-puberty bit just yet.

[Ducky]

I don't see anywhere in that pm you quoted that Darat asked about your DOB. In fact, you witless fop, it specifies First, Last name and Country (and state if in USA) of origin. So yeah, stop lying.

[Lisa Simpson]

The bold upsizing is a change made by me, 5sg.

Now, since you went and told Darat, you'd know what you said, but if you go check your own post #171 in this thread, at that stage, the only thing I had said was incorrect was the age. Darat clearly was talking in the first sentence about THAT subject only as you have no way of checking who the hell anyone actually is on this forum, so while his e mail doesn't mention age specifically, that's what started it. Even the heading notes "incorrect" information. If I read that wrong, that would be your boss's mistake in not being specific - don't be calling me a liar about it.

Gotta say, the variety of responses here is entertaining and I feel pretty justified in doing things the way I did. Some of you are able to laugh it off, some of you are upset and some of you have got your panties in a right old twist. I'm beginning to wonder whether there's a huge imbalance in ambitions and capabilities of people here. What have you got? 2200 active members? Out of a population with computers of a billion people plus, that's a pretty small group. Even raging munters like Stormfront.org have ten times as many members and they're just racist filth. I've been in there plenty of times and rarked them up no end. Never asked my age, name or address, though. For a "thinking" forum, I haven't seen a great deal of thinking yet. I'll just keep watching and waiting. Unless I get banned for slagging off the management. Harden up, girlie.

Here was my PM to Darat:

I also see that there has been speculation as to my age and that the information replying to a question I completed incorrectly (deliberately so) when I registered for this forum has already been accessed. I am actually in my late 40s, this being as much as I will admit to right now. This is precisely why I did not use genuine information. If I wished to be identified, I would have already told you who and what I am/was. I also apologize for not writing purely in military format, but I presumed that most of the posters here were non-military and may not understand what I meant. I see that is not the case. I intended no mis-understandings.

This guy has just admitted he gave false info.

Nowhere did I mention you giving false info about your age. I don't care about your age as long as you are over 13. Darat never asked you for your age.

You want to get along here? First you lie, then you lie again, then you insult me. Nice.

[Zep]

Careful, mate. While the membership here may be smaller than other forums, the actual clout we carry far outweighs our numbers. It's not how many of us, it's who we are. And who we know. Stormfront is not a worthy comparison - they're just a bunch of nonentities, each and every one.

Incidentally, the "membership agreement" stuff is purely for Florida's legal requirements (where this forum is based). I agree it's rather pointlessly silly for us non-Yanks to have to comply with this stuff (and I don't think it provides the legal protection they seek anyway), but it's their party so we have to play by their rules. Argue it elsewhere (we already have!).

[Dazed]

"It seems he was trying to figure out if were we skeptical or if we were just another stupid CT site. He found out pretty quickly we're not gullible."

He's a ct who is trying to take us for a ride, when he realized his little game was gonna end early because he slipped up and made it obvious that he gave false information on registration, he implemented this contingency to increase troll time.

[5stargeneral]

Here was my PM to Darat:



Nowhere did I mention you giving false info about your age. I don't care about your age as long as you are over 13. Darat never asked you for your age.

You want to get along here? First you lie, then you lie again, then you insult me. Nice.Like I said, age was the only comment made before I got that e mail, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I repeat, I am NOT lying. How am I supposed to know what you tell the boss when you run crying to him? But ok I'll cop that one too, I suppose.

And I "insulted" you? Where?

[Dog Town]

Like I said, age was the only comment made before I got that e mail, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I repeat, I am NOT lying. How am I supposed to know what you tell the boss when you run crying to him? But ok I'll cop that one too, I suppose.

And I "insulted" you? Where?

Are you serious?

[Lisa Simpson]

Harden up, girlie.

Like I said, age was the only comment made before I got that e mail, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I repeat, I am NOT lying. How am I supposed to know what you tell the boss when you run crying to him? But ok I'll cop that one too, I suppose.

And I "insulted" you? Where?

I didn't run crying to him. I was letting my fellow admin know we had someone who felt LYING is acceptable.

Harden up girlie?
Run crying?

Oh yeah. You are very insulting.

[TheGrunion]

For a "thinking" forum, I haven't seen a great deal of thinking yet.

This actually doesn't surprise me. Your posts on this board indicate a clear lack of the ability to think critically, logically or to anticipate other's reactions to your actions.

So no, I would not expect you to identify the critical and logical thinking being performed by others on this board.

[T.A.M.]

I think this forum is alot like real life in some ways. Here they prefer respect, and politeness. I mean we all get pissed occasionally, and I am sure very few of us here can say we have never gotten angry at some poster who posted shaite.
The point I am making 5SG, is that the group in here tends to be pretty suspicious, so we smoked you out. The fact that you used/abused the forum system for sign up to do this, has annoyed some here, perhaps some of the admins. It is there job to keep people in line. Then, and I am assuming it is just your way, who you are, you started to get crass, snippy, calling the admin "girlie" and a few other things. Now that way, is not really indearing, and perhaps you particularly don't care to indear yourself to anyone here...fine, but don't expect civility in return.

I for one, for the most part, am just watching the convo, to see if you actually want to join the debates/discussions of this forum, or not.

TAM

[alexg]

Bad form, all the way round, INMO.

[Brainache]

Looks like we've got ourselves a 5star bogan. Total yob. Some kind of dill who thinks a punch in the face will change someone's mind.

So were you down at Cronulla last December bashing Lebs?
Sounds like your idea of a good time.

[bob_kark]

While I'm certainly no expert, it appears to me that 5sg is still having a go at you all. He's just a troll, he'll never be anything but a troll. A rather sickening one at that.

Someone put up the Debunk signal. I'm sure he'd have fun with this one.

[5stargeneral]

Looks like we've got ourselves a 5star bogan. Total yob. Some kind of dill who thinks a punch in the face will change someone's mind.

So were you down at Cronulla last December bashing Lebs?
Sounds like your idea of a good time.Steady on mate I said I wasn't a racist. I don't go round punching anyone who doesn't ask for it and I've never punched a Lebbo. Few Dagos but! LOL Just kidding. Honest to God the last bloke I punched was a CT P.O.S and I hooked him good and proper and nobody but him cried about it. Good call though, haven't been called a bogan in ages, bit old these days for that stuff. Where the hell are you? Double Bay? Come over to the Comm and have a beer, promise I won't hit ya.

[5stargeneral]

I didn't run crying to him. I was letting my fellow admin know we had someone who felt LYING is acceptable.

Harden up girlie?
Run crying?

Oh yeah. You are very insulting.So now "girlie" is an insult? As I see your tag, it says DEPUTY ADMIN. Ok?

Now this is a free forum with 2000 active membersand I thought it probably doesn't pay its administrators all that well, so you'd be not long out of school. Now I've taken the trouble to look at your profile I see you're a primary school teacher. I'd think a 40 year-old sheila would be happy to be called "girlie". After all this jumping up and down over it I'm forming a picture of a spinster schoolmistress who spends all day in here 'coz she doesn't have a life. If I'm wrong there, let me know. And I take it everybody tells the truth all the time in here going by your final comment. I obviously pulled your chain in just the wrong direction. Like I said, interesting stuff all round.

[5stargeneral]

While I'm certainly no expert, it appears to me that 5sg is still having a go at you all. He's just a troll, he'll never be anything but a troll. A rather sickening one at that.

Someone put up the Debunk signal. I'm sure he'd have fun with this one.Rather sickening? I apologised a couple of times I did as asked by that Darat bloke and I'm still getting called a liar by Lisa Simpson. At least I am when she's not accusing me of insulting her by calling her "girlie". Looks to me like hardening up all round is the go in here.

[Darth Rotor]

Hallo forum members.

I have been scouting you all out for the past month or two. I am a former senior ranking officer in NORAD. I can not give further details at this stage. I think I am correct in bringing my evidence here, because if I can convince skpetics about the truth behind the real 9/11 conspiracy, it may become disseminated to people who can actually get some truth in amongst the lies being perpetrated by 9/11 conspiracy theorists. What I have to say bears no relation to any "theory" but is cold, hard fact.

At the time of the 9/11 hijackings, I was off-duty but had been called back in to deal with another matter entirely and was not at my usual station. I will certainly breech my own standards by talking about this, but five years later, the pain has been too much to ignore and I must. I have the following questions, to which I have not been given satisfactory answers and it is as a result of the pressure to drop the questions which has led me to resign from my commission and a twenty-seven year career in service of my country. The only reason I am prepared to do this is because I am sure that the current adminstation has committed a vastly worse crime than this shall ever be.

1 What was in directive 163/AK/404, issued to flight controllers and security personnel at Dulles? The directive was issued secretly and only a very few people knew of its existence. I found out about it by chance when a long-serving friend from MI died recently. The directive was issued at 0600 on 9/11/01.

2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all. I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?

3 Where is the missing Tomahawk missile? Upon audit on 8/3/01, a BGM-109 TLAM-C was found to be missing from inventory in ESG5. Why were auditors taken away that same afternoon to a "conference" from which they returned, never to mention the subject again? And there IS one unaccounted for. Why were the final figures changed to coincide with the new total held?

4 Why was Pentagon DSMAC information downloaded onto a hard-drive on 8/26/01?

Those are some of the facts I have in my possession about matters pertaining to 9/11/01. Opinion? First off, let me tell you what I believe. I believe that people in our Government knew about the plot to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings. I will not buy into theories which suggest that the Bush Administration organised the attacks, but I am convinced that they allowed the attacks. Let us start from here and see where it ends up.

Warmest Regards

5stargeneral
Hi, zoomie wannabe

Your ignorance of the effects of a Tomahawk missile leap from the page. Funny, you may be an Air Defense guy, but you don't know jack about strike.

25 years Navy, joint qualified, and you are full of more than the usual zoomie BS.
And this is rich: I confess that my keyboard skills are a little weak - I have never been required to type a great deal in my career.
For the past 10 years (you who claim to be a high ranking officer) you lack the simple skills of the standard staff college powerpoint commando, and of a staff officer who has to produce staff work?

BS, bilge, exhaust, and nonsense.

EDIT: Just read the last two pages.

Ferflocksakes, man, you have just redefined the term "wanker" and "poser" in one thread. Show your own manhood more respect.

DR

[Darth Rotor]

Welcome, 5star

In my experience, it is unusual for someone to alternate between British and American spellings. Most people consistently use one or the other.

Yet, in your posts, you have used the British spelling for "organised" and the American spelling for "utilize" and "apologize".

Curious, that.
It is not uncommon for Americans who worked on a NATO staff, where official NATO English remains the Queen's English, not the American English. OED, not Webster.

I confess, it was an honouor to learn under the light hand of a master, and to learn how to take the piss out of someone.

DR

[5stargeneral]

I think this forum is alot like real life in some ways. Here they prefer respect, and politeness. I mean we all get pissed occasionally, and I am sure very few of us here can say we have never gotten angry at some poster who posted shaite.
The point I am making 5SG, is that the group in here tends to be pretty suspicious, so we smoked you out. The fact that you used/abused the forum system for sign up to do this, has annoyed some here, perhaps some of the admins. It is there job to keep people in line. Then, and I am assuming it is just your way, who you are, you started to get crass, snippy, calling the admin "girlie" and a few other things. Now that way, is not really indearing, and perhaps you particularly don't care to indear yourself to anyone here...fine, but don't expect civility in return.

I for one, for the most part, am just watching the convo, to see if you actually want to join the debates/discussions of this forum, or not.

TAMMate, that's all pretty fair comment and as I just pointed out, I've apologised a couple of times for pulling a fast one at the start. If I ever manage to clear this mess up I might get the time to scout around some of the other threads. I was hoping to lend a bit of muscle to the anti-CT brigade and wanted to suss you lot out first. I have to say it looks as though I was completely mistaken by the type of people in here as I expected people to be a little harder than's been the case so far. As to calling Lisa a girlie you're right it's not an endearing comment but nor is calling me a liar over and over once I've apologised for it.

[5stargeneral]

BS, bilge, exhaust, and nonsense.

DRSorry boss but you've missed most of this. You're absolutely right, it was BS from the start and I've explained it. Good spot though.

[JamesB]

2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all. I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?



You don't hyphenate ranks in the US military. You would think after 27 years in you would have noticed that...

[Darth Rotor]

Sorry boss but you've missed most of this. You're absolutely right, it was BS from the start and I've explained it. Good spot though.
I wasn't going to wade through 6 pages of what I suspected would be pure charlatanry (is that even a word?) before I raised the BS flag. I should have given the skeptics of the board more credit for sniffing the kangaroo fewments and wrinkling a brow here and there. I sorta jumped the gun, I admit.

Verdict: you got caught, you buy the next round.

I'll have a Guinness.

DR

[delphi_ote]

Gotta say, the variety of responses here is entertaining and I feel pretty justified in doing things the way I did.
So your apologies actually mean nothing.

[Ducky]

So your apologies actually mean nothing.

I took them to mean he's a troll who (as someone else put it on this thread) "redefined the term "wanker" and "poser" in one thread."


...and that he has nothing better to do with his time than troll the internet and s***-stir. I wonder if the scat-porn just got too boring...

[Zep]

Don't worry, folks. I know where he lives. So does Brainache. All in hand.

Balmian boys don't cry. ;)

[5stargeneral]

I wasn't going to wade through 6 pages of what I suspected would be pure charlatanry (is that even a word?) before I raised the BS flag. I should have given the skeptics of the board more credit for sniffing the kangaroo fewments and wrinkling a brow here and there. I sorta jumped the gun, I admit.

Verdict: you got caught, you buy the next round.

I'll have a Guinness.

DRGuiness? What kind of ponce drinks Guiness? I'll buy you Tooheys a Fosters or a XXXX, don't think the Comm goes for Guiness but I'll see what I can do.

[5stargeneral]

So your apologies actually mean nothing.Now don't go twisting it round. I said sorry and I meant it. What I mean by that remark is that it's quite revealing what people have said after that. Hey, I admitted to upsetting people but I think they could get over it now aye? Nobody died.

[qarnos]

Guiness? What kind of ponce drinks Guiness? I'll buy you Tooheys a Fosters or a XXXX, don't think the Comm goes for Guiness but I'll see what I can do.

Fosters?!?!?!!?

Are you sure you're an Aussie? ;)

[Flo]

Now don't go twisting it round. I said sorry and I meant it. What I mean by that remark is that it's quite revealing what people have said after that. Hey, I admitted to upsetting people but I think they could get over it now aye? Nobody died.


Giving us some feedback about where else you played the same trick and how it was received would go a long way towards establishing your credibility, instead of spending all your time here complaining, or playing big guy, or offering drinks ...

In other words "arrête de déconner" (= cut the crap) as we say in France and go for something really useful ...

[Brainache]

Guiness? What kind of ponce drinks Guiness? I'll buy you Tooheys a Fosters or a XXXX, don't think the Comm goes for Guiness but I'll see what I can do.

I can't imagine any pub in Balmain not serving Guinness. And what's with the Fosters crap? XXXX noone in Sydney drinks XXXX(unless they support the maroons) I'm with qarnos here. This bloke doesn't sound like a real Aussie to me.

That little piece about punching a CT sounds weird too. Since when have there been any kind of Troothers in Sydney?

Hey 5star been to the Willy Wally lately?

[The Painter]

Wow, you guys are still going on about this ruse. I don’t know anything about 5star, except for one thing; he sure knows how to push your buttons.

What's a Willy Wally?

[Brainache]

What's a Willy Wally?

I'll let 5stargeneral explain that. He will know if he lives in Balmain.

[Zep]

Like I said, folks, it's all in hand! :D

[NobbyNobbs]

Fosters?!?!?!!?

Are you sure you're an Aussie? ;)


I've been wondering about that too. I suspect he isn't really from Down Under. Do Aussies really talk the way he does? He's used every stereotypical word and phrase I can think of. He sounds like Crocodile Dundee, for Ed's sake.

I've never been to Australia, so I'll ask those who have....even if you *do* speak this way, do you type this way as well?

[Brainache]

Too right cobber.

[Darat]

As admin: I have decided to ban 5stargeneral whilst he did respond to my PM requesting correct information, the information he then supplied was incorrect.

[TK0001]

As admin: I have decided to ban 5stargeneral whilst he did respond to my PM requesting correct information, the information he then supplied was incorrect.

Too bad.

I really think the lot of you (not specifically addressing Darat) need to freshen up your senses of humor. Yes, it's a serious subject, but come on now, let's not completely lose our abilities to laugh at ourselves here. If 5star was being serious, I really think you were being too hard on him. It was poor judgment to try to pull a fast one here, to be sure, but it was certainly not a damnable offense. Step back, take a breath, and realize the true enemies are those out there who actually are adamant about (10 points for alliteration) exonerating the terrorists.

If his alternative story was still a ruse, big deal. It was still pretty funny and nothing to get this bent out of shape about.

We continue going down this road and pretty soon we're no better than the infighing LCers.

Relax.

[bob_kark]

Yeah, let's take it easy on the guy that found a way to entertain himself by trivializing the deaths of 189 people. Let's take it easy on the guy that feels it is important to mislead people about the events surrounding their deaths. To lay the blame of their deaths on innocent men and women. Let's take it easy on the guy that went out of his way to offend Lisa several times. Let's take it easy on the guy that continued to lie even after he'd been caught. I'm sure he's a good guy deep down.

Thank you for making the right decision Darat.

[TK0001]

Yeah, let's take it easy on the guy that found a way to entertain himself by trivializing the deaths of 189 people. Let's take it easy on the guy that feels it is important to mislead people about the events surrounding their deaths. To lay the blame of their deaths on innocent men and women. Let's take it easy on the guy that went out of his way to offend Lisa several times. Let's take it easy on the guy that continued to lie even after he'd been caught. I'm sure he's a good guy deep down.

Do you honestly think his intent was to trivialize the deaths of 189 people?

He was trying to be funny, and it was in poor taste, and he seemed to genuinely be apologetic for it. Recognize it for what it is and move on.

[bob_kark]

Do you honestly think his intent was to trivialize the deaths of 189 people?

He was trying to be funny, and it was in poor taste, and he seemed to genuinely be apologetic for it. Recognize it for what it is and move on.
Do I care about his intent? That's exactly what he did for his own kicks! Did anyone else really find it funny?

I never saw a genuine apology, in fact he continued to berate Lisa as well as the forum as a whole. Not to mention the fact he was still lying up until the moment he was banned from the forum. I certainly recognize him for what he is, do you?

[rwguinn]

Do you honestly think his intent was to trivialize the deaths of 189 people?

He was trying to be funny, and it was in poor taste, and he seemed to genuinely be apologetic for it. Recognize it for what it is and move on.
Perhaps not--having failed my mind-reading preliminary self-test by a wide margin, I don't claim to know what he was thinking.
I did see him "talk down" several times to Lisa Simpson, with the apparent thrust that he could because she is just a girl--far from his intellectual equal because of her gene make-up.
I don't suffer that kind of fool gracefully, either.

[CptColumbo]

I think it was a very pathetic attempt at humor.

[TK0001]

Do I care about his intent? That's exactly what he did for his own kicks! Did anyone else really find it funny?

I never saw a genuine apology, in fact he continued to berate Lisa as well as the forum as a whole. Not to mention the fact he was still lying up until the moment he was banned from the forum. I certainly recognize him for what he is, do you?

I didn't find his original post to be funny, but I thought his confessional post was humorous.

I read his apologies as genuine, and was willing to let it go, but a lot of people here wanted to continuously berate him, public apology or not. I guess I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. I was willing to accept the fact that he screwed up, admitted it, and was trying to make amends.

I like to think that people would be willing to forgive me if I ever screwed up, so I try to extend that same courtesy to others.

[TK0001]

Perhaps not--having failed my mind-reading preliminary self-test by a wide margin, I don't claim to know what he was thinking.
I did see him "talk down" several times to Lisa Simpson, with the apparent thrust that he could because she is just a girl--far from his intellectual equal because of her gene make-up.
I don't suffer that kind of fool gracefully, either.

I thought that was unfortunate, and certainly don't condone it (nor would I ever feel comfortable going toe-to-toe with Lisa Simpson, her gender aside), but I think that that all stemmed from his use of the word "girlie", which probably isn't as offensive in Australia as it is here in the States, so he might not've known how offensive he was actually being.

[Brainache]

I have to admit I would've been interested to see just how far he was prepared to go in his deceit. I'm always curious about why people do this kind of stuff.

There have been worse trolls in my experience.

I wanted to hear all about the Willy Wally. It's a while since I've been there.

Since he's been banned, I'd like to ask David Wong if 5star pretending to be an Aussie pretending to be a NORAD officer was typical troll number 37, or what?

[Brainache]

I thought that was unfortunate, and certainly don't condone it (nor would I ever feel comfortable going toe-to-toe with Lisa Simpson, her gender aside), but I think that that all stemmed from his use of the word "girlie", which probably isn't as offensive in Australia as it is here in the States, so he might not've known how offensive he was actually being.

If he was Australian he knew exactly how offensive he was being, if not, I can't imagine him being unaware.

[TK0001]

If he was Australian he knew exactly how offensive he was being, if not, I can't imagine him being unaware.

If he was faking his Australian ethnicity, I apologize. I wasn't aware that he was doing that.

[bob_kark]

I didn't find his original post to be funny, but I thought his confessional post was humorous.

I read his apologies as genuine, and was willing to let it go, but a lot of people here wanted to continuously berate him, public apology or not.
Which he completely diserved IMHO. The simple act of claiming "I'm sorry," doesn't absolve someone from their actions.
I guess I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. I was willing to accept the fact that he screwed up, admitted it, and was trying to make amends.

I like to think that people would be willing to forgive me if I ever screwed up, so I try to extend that same courtesy to others.
To begin with, I think you have a bit more sense than to start a thread like this. In addition, we likely would extend that courtesy to you simply because you've shown that you're not *%&$@ like this guy was. See, you've earned a reputation with us. Unfortunately, the reputation he earned with us isn't nearly as favorable.

[TK0001]

To begin with, I think you have a bit more sense than to start a thread like this. In addition, we likely would extend that courtesy to you simply because you've shown that you're not *%&$@ like this guy was. See, you've earned a reputation with us. Unfortunately, the reputation he earned with us isn't nearly as favorable.

You like me. You really like me... :blush:

See my previous post, it'll probably clear this matter up.

What's strange is I was actually contemplating introducing myself in roughly the same manner, before I made my first post here. I was going to claim myself as psychic, tell people to ask me questions, and completely screw up my readings, saying things like "You've just eaten a Snickers bar and need to re-tie the shoelace on your left shoe."

I think it would've worked, too, but I didn't have the guts.

[Hellbound]

You like me. You really like me... :blush:

See my previous post, it'll probably clear this matter up.

What's strange is I was actually contemplating introducing myself in roughly the same manner, before I made my first post here. I was going to claim myself as psychic, tell people to ask me questions, and completely screw up my readings, saying things like "You've just eaten a Snickers bar and need to re-tie the shoelace on your left shoe."

I think it would've worked, too, but I didn't have the guts.

Now that would've been funny.

"I see...brown...and...water...

You had burritos for lunch, yes?"

:D

[TK0001]

Now that would've been funny.

Dammit.

Opportunity, squandered. :mad:

[Hutch]

So our general is gone. FWIW, I think his apology was genuine, but he struck me as being slightly younger than "his 40's" and seemed to think that given our banter back and forth among ourselves, he could just come in and begin backslapping like he'd been here forever...and given that he acted like the group here was as juvenile as he was, he badly miscalculated. I am still not sure he was a complete bad guy, just one that wholly misunderstood us and tried to elbow his way into the conversation like he'd been here since the beginning and knew all the rules and appropriate behavior.

Maybe he'll come back as a slightly wiser poster...if not he'll be shuffled off the board relatively quickly.

IMHO

[CptColumbo]

It's a moot point now, since 5star was banned. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=65844

[Hellbound]

It's a moot point now, since 5star was banned. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=65844

NEVER!!!

This horse'll move yet!

:deadhorse

[bob_kark]

You like me. You really like me... :blush:

See my previous post, it'll probably clear this matter up.

What's strange is I was actually contemplating introducing myself in roughly the same manner, before I made my first post here. I was going to claim myself as psychic, tell people to ask me questions, and completely screw up my readings, saying things like "You've just eaten a Snickers bar and need to re-tie the shoelace on your left shoe."

I think it would've worked, too, but I didn't have the guts.
Apples and oranges. Your idea was light hearted, would have been fairly obvious as a joke, and wasn't based upon a national tragedy, not to mention the fact that you hadn't already intentionally mislead groups of people in the past to pin a mass murder on innocent men and women. It actually sounds like it would've been pretty funny.

ETA::deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse

[Darat]

As admin:

Just to make it clear the only reason I have banned him/her is that after being given a second chance to comply with the requirements of Membership here he/she again lied. I haven't even read this thread indeed the only post from him/her that I have read is the one forwarded to me by Lisa Simpson.

[Overman]

Being newer (less than a year) to internet Forums and having posted on a couple I found out that there are many different unwritten rules, customs, traditions, and initiations that are differnet to each but hold strongly.

He said he has been posting on the net he should have known this.

That said I still think the reaction was stronger than it needed to be....

[The Painter]

As admin: I have decided to ban 5stargeneral whilst he did respond to my PM requesting correct information, the information he then supplied was incorrect.

Man, now I'll never know what a Willy Wally is.

[Brainache]

Since he isn't comming back, I could perhaps reveal what the Willy Wally is.

Or...

Maybe I should keep it secret, to test future Australian Impersonators(WTF?).

[gnome]

It's too good not to use again :)

[The Painter]

Well, I looked up Willy and Wally in Australian slang. Willy means the same thing here. Wally is a person that keeps making mistakes.

Is it a whore house?

[delphi_ote]

I said sorry and I meant it.
I feel pretty justified in doing things the way I did.
How can you rectify these two statements? You can't feel sorry for something you felt justified in doing.

[tsig]

Damn your eyes, sir! Damn your breeches! Damn your duckpond! You can have your rancid "aluminum" *shudder*, but we invented "zed" and we're bally well keeping it! In fact, we're insidiously reintroducing it to you North Americans via the online zombie game Urban Dead (www.urbandead.com). (In which zombies are referred to as "zeds" and not "zees"). So that'll show (a few thousand of) you.

There is of course Pee Zed Myers who likes Zed, but to be consistent should we not say ped zed?

[tsig]

just remember who spoke english first...lol

TAM

Let me guess.

Nobody

[tsig]

I agree. But in my opinion a troll would be hesitant of supplying that amount of information that 5stargeneral actually posted in his first post. For instance the name of the directive and the name of the major-general. A classic troll would leave out the details IMHO.

How do you know that was information? More like organic fertelizer.

[tsig]

Gee. Color me suprised. Looks like no naked TV debut on the White House lawn for me.

:D

Rats! I was really looking forward to that.

It would have provided such great misdirection for operation BARECHEEK.

Well, back to the photoshop.

[tsig]

I read his apologies as genuine, and was willing to let it go,

So we should now defer to your mind reading capabilities?

[tsig]

I thought that was unfortunate, and certainly don't condone it (nor would I ever feel comfortable going toe-to-toe with Lisa Simpson, her gender aside), but I think that that all stemmed from his use of the word "girlie", which probably isn't as offensive in Australia as it is here in the States, so he might not've known how offensive he was actually being.

I stemmed from his lying from his registration thru his first post to his last.

[Brainache]

Well, I looked up Willy and Wally in Australian slang. Willy means the same thing here. Wally is a person that keeps making mistakes.

Is it a whore house?

I can't help myself, and given that The Willy Wally is pretty much a Balmain thing I guess I should explain...







It's what the locals call the Sir William Wallace Hotel. A small pub.

[Zep]

I have to say that I think 5-star's ejection was both premature and unwarranted.

However I don't think he was all he said he was either. Brainache was on the money, I think.

And yes, I know what the Willy Wally is! I also know who Balmain's most famous pub-owner was!

[Zep]

And no, most of us Aussies do NOT talk like that or behave like that.

[Foolmewunz]

Well, he's certainly not whatever he was pretending to be.
I suspect an evil Kiwi pretending to be an Aussie. :D

Certainly not an Amurrican - I don't think anyone under 60 would use "girlie", it's just not part of the vernacular any longer. From the timing of his posts, I'd say he's definitely in the Eastern hemisphere, though.

I reckon we'll never know. Oh well,....

[Brainache]

Yep, It would be like me comming here and pretending I was from Texas by saying "Y'all" and "Yee Haw, git along li'l dawgie" a lot.

Oh yes Zep who could forget Dawnie?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

If I were a CTist I'd say Gumboot was having a go with us. But I'm not, so I won't.

[Foolmewunz]

Ya know.... when I typed Kiwi, it struck me that he'd maybe have the knowledge to dig out the kind of details.... But it doesn't seem like an Andrew kind of thing......

[TK0001]

So we should now defer to your mind reading capabilities?

Hell yes you should. I'm pretty good at it.

For instance, your favorite color is orange.

Behold, the great triple-ought.

[RenaissanceBiker]

I have to admit, There have been times that I've wanted to start my own conspiracy theory just to see how far it would go.:boxedin:

We must only use our powers for good.

[RenaissanceBiker]

It's at times like this I wish I was in New York so I could and smack around some of those CT jerks at Ground Zero to show which side I'm on. And I ain't kidding about whacking those types. I punched some bloke straight in the mouth for telling me I was sucking up to Bush a couple of weeks ago. I wish I had a picture of the bloke - he was pissing out blood like a garden hose. He called the cops and when I explained what had happened they would have been quite happy for me to hook the b****** again!! Looking back I wish I had. LOL

I'll bet his hand was down his pants when he made that one up.

[Brainache]

Ya know.... when I typed Kiwi, it struck me that he'd maybe have the knowledge to dig out the kind of details.... But it doesn't seem like an Andrew kind of thing......

I don't believe 5star was a Kiwi. A Kiwi would know that what 5star was portraying was a grossly distorted stereotype. Its the kind of thing I would expect from someone who has watched some Aussie TV and film and listened to some Monty Python sketches about philosophy and wine appreciation.

That BS about punching a CTer and the cops just laughing about it was when I twigged to this bloke. He obviously thinks Sydney is like some lawless wild-west type town where we all sit around in our blue singlets cracking tinnies and slapping sheilahs on the arse all day.

Everyone knows we only do that on christmas day.

[Obviousman]

Violence rarely solves anything.

On occasion though, it feels good to make them feel pain.

I'll repent later for that statement.....

[Obviousman]

BTW, I'm going on a couple of weeks leave and probably won't hook up to the net while I'm away.

See yaz when I get back. Keep the faith!

[Brainache]

You live in Nowra and you get holidays as well? You lucky bastard!

[Big Al]

Ah, c'mon guys! The exercise was a pathetic waste of time (would have been much more fun on a CT site, to see how much they bought it), but it's over now. However, we're into true troll territory now. 5Star's stopped posting, but everyone's still rapping about him.

That's a troll's dream. He's probably reading the latest posts with the avidity of a Mujahideen scanning the Koran, laughing as he watches us squabble about what else he's lied about.

For the sake of simplicity, I'd say he was a teenage troll, British or Antipodean, and he was bored.

I'd let him stay bored.

[Foolmewunz]

He obviously thinks Sydney is like some lawless wild-west type town where we all sit around in our blue singlets cracking tinnies and slapping sheilahs on the arse all day.

Everyone knows we only do that on christmas day.

:D :D :D Save that for someone who hasn't had to deal with the Aussie contingent at the Rugby 7's... :D :D :D

[Brainache]

:D :D :D Save that for someone who hasn't had to deal with the Aussie contingent at the Rugby 7's... :D :D :D

Oh well Rugby fans... I get your point. I was referring to humans. Sorry.:p