Classified details never released.

[5stargeneral]

Hallo forum members.

I have been scouting you all out for the past month or two. I am a former senior ranking officer in NORAD. I can not give further details at this stage. I think I am correct in bringing my evidence here, because if I can convince skpetics about the truth behind the real 9/11 conspiracy, it may become disseminated to people who can actually get some truth in amongst the lies being perpetrated by 9/11 conspiracy theorists. What I have to say bears no relation to any "theory" but is cold, hard fact.

At the time of the 9/11 hijackings, I was off-duty but had been called back in to deal with another matter entirely and was not at my usual station. I will certainly breech my own standards by talking about this, but five years later, the pain has been too much to ignore and I must. I have the following questions, to which I have not been given satisfactory answers and it is as a result of the pressure to drop the questions which has led me to resign from my commission and a twenty-seven year career in service of my country. The only reason I am prepared to do this is because I am sure that the current adminstation has committed a vastly worse crime than this shall ever be.

1 What was in directive 163/AK/404, issued to flight controllers and security personnel at Dulles? The directive was issued secretly and only a very few people knew of its existence. I found out about it by chance when a long-serving friend from MI died recently. The directive was issued at 0600 on 9/11/01.

2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all. I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?

3 Where is the missing Tomahawk missile? Upon audit on 8/3/01, a BGM-109 TLAM-C was found to be missing from inventory in ESG5. Why were auditors taken away that same afternoon to a "conference" from which they returned, never to mention the subject again? And there IS one unaccounted for. Why were the final figures changed to coincide with the new total held?

4 Why was Pentagon DSMAC information downloaded onto a hard-drive on 8/26/01?

Those are some of the facts I have in my possession about matters pertaining to 9/11/01. Opinion? First off, let me tell you what I believe. I believe that people in our Government knew about the plot to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings. I will not buy into theories which suggest that the Bush Administration organised the attacks, but I am convinced that they allowed the attacks. Let us start from here and see where it ends up.

Warmest Regards

5stargeneral

[tkingdoll]

Have you spoken to the press or a lawyer about this or is a skeptics' forum your first port of call?

As this is a skeptics' forum, you will be expected to provide evidence to verify your claims, you realise that I hope?

[Dog Town]

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[Dazed]

Sounds like a kid from the LC forums trying to be a wiseguy.

[tkingdoll]

Sounds like a kid from the LC forums trying to be a wiseguy.

It sure does sound like that, but you can't make that assumption without allowing our new forum member a chance to prove his/her claims.

[Dog Town]

It sure does sound like that, but you can't make that assumption without allowing our new forum member a chance to prove his/her claims.

Bravo!
Next round,*ding ding*!

ETA: Why 5Star??

[Anti-sophist]

Those are some pretty strong claims. I eagerly await the evidence you have to support this.

[qarnos]

Welcome to the forums, "General". We have been expecting you.

Sounds like a kid from the LC forums trying to be a wiseguy.

Yeah. For a NORAD official his spelling sure sucks.

[defaultdotxbe]

it seems unusual to me that a military office would choose a username depicting a rank higher than his own

[twinstead]

Those are some of the facts I have in my possession about matters pertaining to 9/11/01.

Exactly what in your post constitutes facts? I'm a pretty good writer, I could probability come up with some pretty cool sounding stuff too, none of it of course would be true.

And the one question I was left with is what on Earth would a missing cruise missile have to do with anything if the administration simply let the even happen instead of orchestrating it? Was it some sort of payment?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all. I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?


NEADS advised of hijacking: 08:37:52 source (http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01)
Also stated on pg 20 http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/sec1.pdf

That aside. You fail to mention the timezone for the above times. Being in the military I would expect you to be using UTC, however, the east coast of the US is GMT-4 during EDT, which would make your times 0525 and 0457. Please clarify on this.

I will address other items once we have resolved this more basic errors.

[Dog Town]

it seems unusual to me that a military office would choose a username depicting a rank higher than his own

The self worth issue! All CTers have it.

[stateofgrace]

Hi 5star and welcome to the forum.

I am curious, I suppose like the other guys why here? I mean where on earth did you hear about this forum? I just find it slightly strange you have this hard evidence that has been playing on your mind to the point where you actually resign over it.
You do this and present your evidence here?
Why no press conference, no television interview?

I note you feel the US allowed this to happen but have evidence a missile is missing, are these two incidents related? Do you believe a missile was used on 911?

Hey anyway, whatever your reasons for being here, welcome and I look forward to seeing your evidence.

[Pyrrho]

I remember what happened to the last general we had around here.

[Dazed]

Looks like the CIA already traced his IP and picked him off with a sniper.

*sigh*

[Anti-sophist]

Also, an internet forum is a very bad place to break this type of information. It will be highly tracable and your identity will be uncovered in short order. Let me reccommend collecting it all in a "hard" form, and getting in contact with a major news outlet. I'll provide one for you:

New York Times
Times Operator: (212) 556-7116
Times General Office: (212) 556-1234
229 W. 43rd Street
New York, NY 10036

If you have a good reason why this is the best possible place, I would love to hear it, though, but I can't help but think that no benefit, at all, could come from choose this venue for this type of revelation.

[5stargeneral]

Have you spoken to the press or a lawyer about this or is a skeptics' forum your first port of call?

As this is a skeptics' forum, you will be expected to provide evidence to verify your claims, you realise that I hope?Thank you ma'am, I am well aware of that. I have been watching various forums for some time as well as taking legal advise, but only in a very general (no pun intended) way as I do not wish to give identifiable details at this stage.

[5stargeneral]

Bravo!
Next round,*ding ding*!

ETA: Why 5Star??I am an admirer of General Dwight Eisenhower and was intending to utilize a photo of him as my avatar, but I cannot.

[Peephole]

2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all.
Uhm?

08:37:52 BOSTON CENTER: Hi. Boston Center T.M.U. [Traffic Management Unit], we have a problem here. We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York, and we need you guys to, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out.POWELL: Is this real-world or exercise?BOSTON CENTER: No, this is not an exercise, not a test.

09:03:17 ROUNTREE: They have a second possible hijack!

09:21:37 DOOLEY: Another hijack! It's headed towards Washington!NASYPANY: ****! Give me a location.UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Okay. Third aircraft—hijacked—heading toward Washington.

09:21:50 NASYPANY: O.K. American Airlines is still airborne—11, the first guy. He's heading towards Washington. O.K., I think we need to scramble Langley right now. And I'm—I'm gonna take the fighters from Otis and try to chase this guy down if I can find him.

[Anti-sophist]

So when are you going to release the actual evidence? You do have evidence you plan on releasing to back up these claims, right?

[5stargeneral]

Welcome to the forums, "General". We have been expecting you.

Yeah. For a NORAD official his spelling sure sucks.Thank you for the welcome also.

I apologize for my "spelling". I should like to think of it as typing errors as my spelling is usually fine. I confess that my keyboard skills are a little weak - I have never been required to type a great deal in my career. I should also apologize in advance that I may not be able to come in on a daily basis to answer questions, but I shall return as I am able. I find it difficult to comprehend that so many people have posted so quickly, but I shall try to keep up with the flow. I did start this off to discuss the questions and I just ask for a little forebearance if my keyboard skills and available time do not keep up with the replies.

[Peephole]

1 What was in directive 163/AK/404, issued to flight controllers and security personnel at Dulles? The directive was issued secretly and only a very few people knew of its existence. I found out about it by chance when a long-serving friend from MI died recently. The directive was issued at 0600 on 9/11/01.
If you yourself don't even know what is in it, how can you call it evidence for government complicity?

2 I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon? A man getting a call and losing his phone. Now, how is that evidence of government complicity?

3 Where is the missing Tomahawk missile? Upon audit on 8/3/01, a BGM-109 TLAM-C was found to be missing from inventory in ESG5. Why were auditors taken away that same afternoon to a "conference" from which they returned, never to mention the subject again? And there IS one unaccounted for. Why were the final figures changed to coincide with the new total held?
If the auditors never mentioned it, how do you know about it? And what is the relevance of a missing tomahawk to 9/11?

4 Why was Pentagon DSMAC information downloaded onto a hard-drive on 8/26/01?
I don't know, but what is the relevance to 9/11?

[twinstead]

Thank you for the welcome also.

I apologize for my "spelling". I should like to think of it as typing errors as my spelling is usually fine. I confess that my keyboard skills are a little weak - I have never been required to type a great deal in my career. I should also apologize in advance that I may not be able to come in on a daily basis to answer questions, but I shall return as I am able. I find it difficult to comprehend that so many people have posted so quickly, but I shall try to keep up with the flow. I did start this off to discuss the questions and I just ask for a little forebearance if my keyboard skills and available time do not keep up with the replies.

Sir, with all due respect, the time you used up in this post would have been much better spent beginning to provide some evidence of your most extraordinary claims.

[Dazed]

How about... just tell us everything. Now.

[Dog Town]

How about... just tell us everything. Now.


Author...author...

[stateofgrace]

See this is the problem 5star and I hope you can see the reason behind the level of sceptism.

You come here with what you claim to be hard evidence and start tantalising people with it. You know the carrot and stick type stuff.

So why don't you just show us your evidence.

[qarnos]

I am an admirer of General Dwight Eisenhower and was intending to utilize a photo of him as my avatar, but I cannot.

I'm impressed by the fact that you even knew what an "avatar" was given your limited experience with computers and, I assume by extension, the internet.

You must pick these things up quickly.

[Dog Town]

So why don't you just show us your evidence?


Oooh...oohh ...oohh...Meeee! *hand waves in a frantic movement*

[Class]

In your first post on the JREF (here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1977379&postcount=108)) you said you had been checking us out for 6 months. Why did you change it to 1-2 months in your original post of this thread?

Howdy.

I was not a Five Star General, or indeed even a general. I am a former senior officer at NORAD and have decided to post on this forum after having spent the past 6 months or so checking you all out.



Hallo forum members.

I have been scouting you all out for the past month or two. I am a former senior ranking officer in NORAD.

[Dazed]

"EXTRA! EXTRA! NAMELESS INTERNET GUY SEZ 'BUSH DID IT'"

Hoo hoo, the presses are gonna be working overtime tonight.

[5stargeneral]

This is to Arkan Wolfshade - I have been unable to use the reply button as I cannot repeat your urls.

You are quite correct about use of Zulu. Most civilian papers I have seen have used local time, so I did that. I am happy to change to Z if you like.

Also, another error - Point 3 relates solely to Flight 77 and no other. I accept your points regarding other flights.

[qarnos]

"EXTRA! EXTRA! NAMELESS INTERNET GUY SEZ 'BUSH DID IT'"

Hoo hoo, the presses are gonna be working overtime tonight.

Perhaps his name is Lauro Chavez?

[Dog Town]

You are quite correct about use of Zulu.

Come on... I saw that Lucky Louie!

[Brainache]

Hey Come on guys, this is a senior military officer you are talking to. Surely we should all just take him at his word. After all senior military men always hang out at this forum and play guessing games about secret info, don't they?

So I guess with the new book and all, Bob Woodward was too busy to take the calls huh 5star?

And as for the missing tomahawk.... well we all know what I think happened to that.

[Dazed]

Lauro Chavez already came out of the 9/11 closet on Alex Jones' show, so, I think not.

[Anti-sophist]

Can you at least clarify if there is going to be actual hard evidence coming, at some point? Or whether or not your "admissions", above, are supposed to be the extent of the information coming?

[LashL]

Welcome, 5star

In my experience, it is unusual for someone to alternate between British and American spellings. Most people consistently use one or the other.

Yet, in your posts, you have used the British spelling for "organised" and the American spelling for "utilize" and "apologize".

Curious, that.

[TheGrunion]

Sounds like a kid from the LC forums trying to be a wiseguy.

Sounds more like someone who just got done watching Donald Sutherland's riveting portrayal of "Mr. X" in the movie JFK.

I guess we'll just have to wait for something a bit more tangible from Mr. 5star.

[geggy]

Wait a minute now.

You're suspecting that a tomahawk missile was stolen because it was to be used for the attacks, yet you don't think the bush administration was the responsible party? Bit of a contradictory statement there, buddy. Unless you think members of al-qaeda broke into the top secret military facility and stole the missile which, I think, is highly unlikely.

But I did read several reports about the mossad/israeli organized crime unit's alter ego "art students" being arrested after the FBI caught them snooping around the top secret military facility.

[qarnos]

Welcome, 5star

In my experience, it is unusual for someone to alternate between British and American spellings. Most people consistently use one or the other.

Yet, in your posts, you have used the British spelling for "organised" and the American spelling for "utilize" and "apologize".

Curious, that.

To be fair, I do this quite a bit, too.

I tend to spell the "ise/ize" words the American way and words like color/colour the British/Australian way.

[LashL]

In your first post on the JREF (here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1977379&postcount=108)) you said you had been checking us out for 6 months. Why did you change it to 1-2 months in your original post of this thread?

Time compression? Poor memory? Or an example of the difficulty that liars have keeping their lies straight?

Just asking questions.

[defaultdotxbe]

To be fair, I do this quite a bit, too.

I tend to spell the "ise/ize" words the American way and words like color/colour the British/Australian way.
well i think his point was use of -ize and -ise interchangable

for example, you use -ize, the american spelling, but do you occasionally use -ise? or just -our the british way?

although 5star has already stated he is not a good speller, i think this could adequately explain the lack of consistancy

[LashL]

To be fair, I do this quite a bit, too.

I tend to spell the "ise/ize" words the American way and words like color/colour the British/Australian way.

Oh, I agree with that. Canadians tend to use the American version for "ize" words and the British version for "ou" words, too. But most people are consistent within their use, and do not alternate between "ise" and "ize" (or between "color" and "honour", for instance), which is what I found curious.

[LashL]

well i think his point was use of -ize and -ise interchangable

Yes, that's what I was referring to.

although 5star has already stated he is not a good speller, i think this could adequately explain the lack of consistancy

Actually, he said that he is a good speller, or I wouldn't have pointed out the inconsistency.

(But, admittedly, I'm a bit of pedant so I notice stuff like that)

[qarnos]

well i think his point was use of -ize and -ise interchangable

for example, you use -ize, the american spelling, but do you occasionally use -ise? or just -our the british way?

although 5star has already stated he is not a good speller, i think this could adequately explain the lack of consistancy

Every now and then I use "-ise", but it usually on purpose when I know I am writing to an exclusively Australian audience. On international forums I usually stick to -ize.

I really hate the way you guys spell "Aluminium", by the way. :D

[politas]

In my experience, it is unusual for someone to alternate between British and American spellings. Most people consistently use one or the other.

Yet, in your posts, you have used the British spelling for "organised" and the American spelling for "utilize" and "apologize".

Curious, that.

Actually, in my experience, that sort of thing is extremely common in anyone who isn't American. American media (and spell-checkers) do have a tendency to be quite pervasive around the English speaking world.

Also, it isn't as simple as "ise" for British and "ize" for American. There are many words which the Brits spell "ize", too. Australian English actually uses less "ize" endings than UK English.

[qarnos]

Actually, in my experience, that sort of thing is extremely common in anyone who isn't American. American media (and spell-checkers) do have a tendency to be quite pervasive around the English speaking world.

This is what I suspected.

Do NORAD officials have to be from the U.S.A? :D

Elaborating on my previous post, although I flip-flop between spellings, I will usually stick to one spelling in any given document.

[5stargeneral]

I will have to apologize again for the slowness here, but I had a nice lengthy reply to Alan Alda and it was again rejected thanks to a url which didn't even appear on my screen!

Can I deal with the little issues first. Timing - this was the question from the Alan Alda guy, sorry I cannot be more specific but once I switch to reply mode the pictures(1) disappear. I have been looking at a variety of forums since earlier this year and this one exclusively since around the fifth anniversary.

(1) The term "avatar". I inadvertently pointed my cursor (see, I know that word) at someone's picture and it said "John Doe's avatar". Is the word correct? Please let me know if not because the only time I've ever heard the word used is by a self-improvement group called "Avatar".

Why here and not NYT or Bob Woodward? Why not? is my answer to that. I am not sure that they would be interested and I have no special regard for newspapermen. I have had the fortune to meet Mr. Randi several times in the past and have known of this forum for some years. It was the combined knowledge of the two which led me to look into forums to start with and helped sway my decision to this one.

As to the 'S' and 'Z', on my keyboard, the 'S' is immediately next up from the 'Z'. Sometimes I miss. I have switched 'O' and 'I' on occasions as well.

[Cylinder]

Welcome, 5star

In my experience, it is unusual for someone to alternate between British and American spellings. Most people consistently use one or the other.

Yet, in your posts, you have used the British spelling for "organised" and the American spelling for "utilize" and "apologize".

Curious, that.

Too much time in USAFE.

[LashL]

Do NORAD officials have to be from the U.S.A?


No, but there is a strict "no-Aussie" rule :D

[Lisa Simpson]

Do NORAD officials have to be from the U.S.A? :D



No, they are also Canadians.

[Dazed]

If you're here "Just asking questions" I think you've mislead us all a little bit.

[qarnos]

No, they are also Canadians.

This is begging for a Canada joke...

But, I'll be good!

[Cylinder]

The [NORAD] directive was issued secretly and only a very few people knew of its existence.

What a maroon.

[5stargeneral]

If you're here "Just asking questions" I think you've mislead us all a little bit.I think that would be "misled" if we are going to use correct spelling. (I see someone mentioned spell-checkers, but I don't see one here?)

This will need to be my last post for around 24 hours and I shall try to answer any further questions tomorrow. Briefly, yes I am asking questions, but I believe I have some of the answers as well. I hold a signed affidavit from my friend who is now dead, along with a photographic copy of directive 163/AK/404, an illicitly-obtained and -held copy of the audit report showing the discrepancy and a printout showing details downloaded into a hard-drive. I'm quite sure all of the evidence can be dismissed as fakes because no originals are held and the originals are officially denied to exist.

All I can hope is that my unquestioned patriotism and an unblemished twenty-seven year record will add credence to my statements.

Until tomorrow,

Warmest Regards

[Peephole]

I will have to apologize again for the slowness here, but I had a nice lengthy reply to Alan Alda and it was again rejected thanks to a url which didn't even appear on my screen!

Can I deal with the little issues first. Timing - this was the question from the Alan Alda guy, sorry I cannot be more specific but once I switch to reply mode the pictures(1) disappear. I have been looking at a variety of forums since earlier this year and this one exclusively since around the fifth anniversary.

(1) The term "avatar". I inadvertently pointed my cursor (see, I know that word) at someone's picture and it said "John Doe's avatar". Is the word correct? Please let me know if not because the only time I've ever heard the word used is by a self-improvement group called "Avatar".

Why here and not NYT or Bob Woodward? Why not? is my answer to that. I am not sure that they would be interested and I have no special regard for newspapermen. I have had the fortune to meet Mr. Randi several times in the past and have known of this forum for some years. It was the combined knowledge of the two which led me to look into forums to start with and helped sway my decision to this one.

As to the 'S' and 'Z', on my keyboard, the 'S' is immediately next up from the 'Z'. Sometimes I miss. I have switched 'O' and 'I' on occasions as well.
So are you gonna give us the classified details or not?

[LashL]

I hold a signed affidavit from my friend who is now dead, along with a photographic copy of directive 163/AK/404, an illicitly-obtained and -held copy of the audit report showing the discrepancy and a printout showing details downloaded into a hard-drive.

Excellent. Why don't you post them here before you go?

[Lisa Simpson]

Yes, upload them to imageshack (http://imageshack.us/) and then when you post them in a message, replace the 't' in 'http' with x's. I can edit the post to make the link work.

[Hutch]

OK, lets look at some of the information provided by 5star General and see where we can go from there.

Major General Larry Arnold--There is an AF General by that name who retired 1 October 2002. His bio information indicate...

Major General Larry K. Arnold is commander, 1st Air Force, Air Combat Command, and commander, Continental U.S. North American Aerospace Defense Command Region, Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla. The 1st Air Force is responsible for organizing, equipping and operating air defense forces for the commander in chief of binational NORAD. He is responsible for more than 10,000 people at 19 fighter alert sites and 50 radar sites to provide tactical warning, threat assessment and counterdrug forces for the North American continent.

and

19. December 1997 - present, commander, 1st Air Force, Air Combat Command, and commander, Continental U.S. North American Aerospace Defense Command Region, Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla.

So we can deduce that 5star General was either assigned to Tyndall or his/her knowledge of the events come from a contact at Tyndall.

BGM-109 is the Correct terminology for the Tomahawk Cruise Missile, which is easily Googled . The only ESG5 I could Goggle was Expeditionary Strike Force 5, a SU Naval unit comprising, among other unit, Guided Missile cruisers, destroyers, and frigates, so it is possible that they would employ cruise missiles. However, the way 5star General wrote it, and I quote:

Upon audit on 8/3/01, a BGM-109 TLAM-C was found to be missing from inventory in ESG5.
..which seems to indicate a land-based site. I have some modest assets for storage locations for the US Military, I'll see what I can find out tomorrow.

DSMAC translates to Digital Scene Matching Area Correlation, the digital mapping needed for targeting a site for a Cruise Missile attack.

Nothing hit on 163/AK/404, which makes me suspicious as I do not recognize this type of message header, but then I work with the US Army and each service has it's own way of doing things. Still, the thought of a US Military base sending any type of directive to a Non-Military site is something that would be out of the ordinary, and the US Army at least does not often issue Secret documents to a separate non-military Government institution. Not impossible, but I will admit I am skeptical.

So you have most of the checkable things right, but it does leave a couple of questions...

1. If you were serving with the US Air Force, as your comments about General Arnold indicates, how did you come to know about a missing US Navy missile? Or does ESG5 mean something else?

2. How does the purported missing missile and the downloaded data get married up? And from where was the DSMAC data on the Pentagon downloaded from?

Nothing you have presented to date could not have been Goggled except for the message to ATC at Dulles on 9/11 and there is nothing you have said to confirm that.

I think we'll need more solid information if we are going to move much farther with this. But if you have been watching this site for the last several months, you know that.

Awaiting your next missive...

[defaultdotxbe]

Every now and then I use "-ise", but it usually on purpose when I know I am writing to an exclusively Australian audience. On international forums I usually stick to -ize.

I really hate the way you guys spell "Aluminium", by the way. :D
thats ok, i hate the way you pronounce almuminum :P

[Dazed]

I hold a signed affidavit from my friend who is now dead, along with a photographic copy of directive 163/AK/404, an illicitly-obtained and -held copy of the audit report showing the discrepancy and a printout showing details downloaded into a hard-drive.


Imageshack.

But oh,


This will need to be my last post for around 24 hours


Care to explain why? We wouldn't want you to lose 20 minutes of sleep, wasted, posting the most important document of all time, ever.

[Dazed]

Also, let's go back to your first post for a second.


What was in directive 163/AK/404, issued to flight controllers and security personnel at Dulles?


Okay right, now lets look at your last post,


I hold [...] a photographic copy of directive 163/AK/404,


KK. Do we all know what that smell is? That's right.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Where's Huntsman?

[Cylinder]

By the way, what organization is MI? You're not using that as the USAF acronym for military intelligence - are you? What acronym would you use for the commander of your intelligence squadron?

[tkingdoll]

OK, I feel mean, but this sentence reads funny:

I hold a signed affidavit from my friend who is now dead

Remind me not to sign any affidavits for 5stargeneral :eye-poppi :faint:

[Cylinder]

Nothing you have presented to date could not have been Goggled except for the message to ATC at Dulles on 9/11 and there is nothing you have said to confirm that.

I think that the NORAD issued secret orders Kool-Aid pretty much says all.

[Cylinder]

By the way, what your rank when you resigned, 5stargeneral?

[defaultdotxbe]

By the way, what your rank when you resigned, 5stargeneral?
he says he wasnt a five-star general (obviously) and he chose the name because he is an admirer of general eisenhower

i already called him out (sorta) on that one, lol, although i would also liek to know what rank held when he was at NORAD

[hellaeon]

uh - I will try and extend my greetings politely.

Welcome to the forum.
Instead of talking to us, please approach the biggest new station in your immediate area. You claim to have information that will rewrite history. Why bother with us? Please refrain from games on the net. Goto your local TV newstation. Your information is vital to the world.

[T.A.M.]

yes, or go to one of the conspiracy sites, as they will not only believe every word you say, but they will get you on talk radio, and get you internet news articles.

Apart from that, for as long as you decide to stay, welcome to the forum.

TAM

[David Wong]

Re: the general's 24 hour absence:

Imageshack.
Care to explain why? We wouldn't want you to lose 20 minutes of sleep, wasted, posting the most important document of all time, ever.

The skipping a day thing assures that the thread will remain alive and popular for the entire day. As anticipation of his next post grows, he gets more and more attention. It's a classic forum troll technique.

This is specifically common with this type of forum character. Even on movie boards, when a big film is coming out there'll invariably be an "insider" who posts saying he has "shocking spoilers" or details from the production...

...And that he'll be back in two days to post them. "I've got a copy of the Spider-Man 3 script here, and I've got to tell you you're gonna be SHOCKED to find out which character dies in the first act. I'll be back tomorrow but I'm VERY nervous that the studio is going to find me out. More details later."

Then he sits back and watches how many replies pile up while he's gone. This guy will come back, post some more questions and vague accusations, maybe copy and paste some stuff from conspiracy sites and rephrase it as his own inside knowledge. Then leave for another day. If you post on enough boards (or own a forum, in my case) you see it again and again with people who come in playing a character like this.

It's just a classic trolling technique, to stretch out the life of the thread.

[jhunter1163]

Maybe it's Col. Donn de Grand Pre. If so, I'm sure the folks here will have a lot of questions for him.

[Blue Mountain]

Welcome to the forum, 5 Star!

Between now and the time you return, I'll mosey over to the Daily Kitten and grab another picture. I suspect I'll be needing to post it fairly soon.

[Gravy]

Opinion?
Since you asked, I think you're lying. I'll gladly change my opinion if you provide evidence to back your claims.

But you won't.

IMO.

[Dazed]

Re: the general's 24 hour absence:



The skipping a day thing assures that the thread will remain alive and popular for the entire day. As anticipation of his next post grows, he gets more and more attention. It's a classic forum troll technique.

This is specifically common with this type of forum character. Even on movie boards, when a big film is coming out there'll invariably be an "insider" who posts saying he has "shocking spoilers" or details from the production...

...And that he'll be back in two days to post them. "I've got a copy of the Spider-Man 3 script here, and I've got to tell you you're gonna be SHOCKED to find out which character dies in the first act. I'll be back tomorrow but I'm VERY nervous that the studio is going to find me out. More details later."

Then he sits back and watches how many replies pile up while he's gone. This guy will come back, post some more questions and vague accusations, maybe copy and paste some stuff from conspiracy sites and rephrase it as his own inside knowledge. Then leave for another day. If you post on enough boards (or own a forum, in my case) you see it again and again with people who come in playing a character like this.

It's just a classic trolling technique, to stretch out the life of the thread.

Why here though? He'd have way more fun at the Loose Change forums where people would actually buy it.

[Dazed]

Re: the general's 24 hour absence:



The skipping a day thing assures that the thread will remain alive and popular for the entire day. As anticipation of his next post grows, he gets more and more attention. It's a classic forum troll technique.

This is specifically common with this type of forum character. Even on movie boards, when a big film is coming out there'll invariably be an "insider" who posts saying he has "shocking spoilers" or details from the production...

...And that he'll be back in two days to post them. "I've got a copy of the Spider-Man 3 script here, and I've got to tell you you're gonna be SHOCKED to find out which character dies in the first act. I'll be back tomorrow but I'm VERY nervous that the studio is going to find me out. More details later."

Then he sits back and watches how many replies pile up while he's gone. This guy will come back, post some more questions and vague accusations, maybe copy and paste some stuff from conspiracy sites and rephrase it as his own inside knowledge. Then leave for another day. If you post on enough boards (or own a forum, in my case) you see it again and again with people who come in playing a character like this.

It's just a classic trolling technique, to stretch out the life of the thread.

Why here though? He'd have way more fun at the Loose Change forums where people would actually buy it.

I bet its truthseeker with a new gmail account and a proxy.

[Gravy]

I hold a signed affidavit from my friend who is now deadI hold a signed affidavit that says you're lying about the evidence you have. I signed it just a minute ago. I can post a copy for anyone who needs proof.

I'm quite sure all of the evidence can be dismissed as fakes because no originals are held and the originals are officially denied to exist. Is that all then? Thanks for stopping by.

All I can hope is that my unquestioned patriotism and an unblemished twenty-seven year record will add credence to my statements.They won't. This is a forum for skeptics.

[R.Mackey]

Hallo forum members.

[snip]

Those are some of the facts I have in my possession about matters pertaining to 9/11/01. Opinion? First off, let me tell you what I believe. I believe that people in our Government knew about the plot to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings. I will not buy into theories which suggest that the Bush Administration organised the attacks, but I am convinced that they allowed the attacks. Let us start from here and see where it ends up.

Warmest Regards

5stargeneral

Welcome 5stargeneral. Some of us, myself included, have been champing at the very bit waiting for someone -- anyone -- to come up with a credible challenge to the official story of September 11th. You will be the first, if you can do what you claim.

So far, though, I note you have only asked four questions, without substantiating them in any way. If you would, please explain:

1. What is your timeline of events for September 11th
2. How the four bits of evidence you suggest fit into the picture
3. Verification of these four bits of evidence
4. Conclusive demonstration that this evidence is inconsistent with the official version of events

You must understand, if you are who you claim, that it would be trivial for anyone, any teenager playing a sick prank, to write the same things that you have written. We are naturally interested in verifying that this is no prank, and keenly interested in your story if you can do so. Please proceed.

[Zep]

I'm officially calling troll on this guy.

I mean really... Is any patriotic upstanding US officer of any rank going to publish the expose that will rewrite history on a public skeptic forum where it will get the scrutiny it probably deserves? No, of course not! He will either report it to the internal affairs branch of his military arm like the good boy he says he is, or more likely resign his commission and hie himself to the nearest publisher of such trash, with dollar signs spinning over in his eyes like the slots in Las Vegas, there to get himself a squillion-dollar book deal cut.

So do we want to bat him about a bit? Or will we try to find out more about exactly who he is? I'm going to guess it's a Looser...on the loose.

[Shrinker]

Thank you ma'am, I am well aware of that. I have been watching various forums for some time as well as taking legal advise, but only in a very general (no pun intended) way as I do not wish to give identifiable details at this stage.

I'm just glad that after 27 years of military service you can still find the double meaning of 'general' amusing. You guys must have a riot!

General: We have a major problem here!
Major: Teeheehee
General: Sound a general alarm!
Major: Hahaha hohoho
General: Major, can I see you in private?
Major: Bwahahaha!

[cloudshipsrule]

I read the first sentence in this guy/girl's first post and immediately thought "Liar". His/her writing skills are indicative of someone MUCH younger than anyone who has ever retired from any branch of the US military.

I scrolled down to additional posts this same person made, and upon reading them, only reaffirmed my original assessment.

You, sir, are a liar!

Thanks for the entertaining fiction though!

I can elaborate on this if anyone wonders why I came to my conclusions.


James

[CptColumbo]

IMO it's somebody who watched one too many episodes of "JAG" (probably the only person). Ooh, he called it "zulu," he must be in the military.

I'm just going to hang around to find out how Spider-man 3 turns out.

I also hate the way the English say Al-u-min-i-um, and the way they say "zed" instead of "zee." Sorry, anytime I do a British dialect I have to remember all the extra syllables, and respell all the words with IPA in my head. I especially dislike "necessary" and "secretary." Nothing against the people, and I'm sure you dislike our pronunciation of certain words. The few English actors I've worked with find midwestern American dialects (like mine) hard, but southern easy(except Barry Morse who is a genius with dialects), like me they have to listen to american radio to warm up (I listen to the BBC on NPR).

[eeyore1954]

All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all. I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?

How convenient that he lost his phone that afternoon??? Did he think someone was going to take his phone away and look at his recent call activity? Did he think losing his phone would make it so no one would be able to trace his calls?
Assuming it is true he walked out of the room and made a phone call how do you know he made a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Wash DC? Were you looking over his shoulder. Did you have a remote control flying insect like in the movie Spy Kids that allowed you to view what he was dialing.



how serioulsly do you expect to be taken with "cold hard facts" such as these.

[T.A.M.]

Hallo....ok, the "a" key is close to the "e" key, but not adjacent.

And what self respecting military man writes hello as "Hallo". People have accents, but they rarely, if ever, write with them.

TAM

[Hellbound]

Where's Huntsman?

I'm here.

Weekeends are family time, rarely post here on Saturdays or Sundays :) Besides, my Official NWO Government Shill check doesn't include overtime for weekends.

Don't have much to add to this, though. Not very familiar with Air Force, NORAD, or cruise missiles beyond the basics.

However, I will say I've seen nothign so far that would lead me to believe this individual is genuine. Unless he can offer some sort of proof (of, for example, that 27 year unblemished record which I find doubtful) I call troll.

[Dazed]

The age in his profile is 38...

So he must have enlisted when he was 11. :)

[Pythra]

The age in his profile is 38...

So he must have enlisted when he was 11. :)

But the 4 key is right next to the 3 key...

[Dazed]

Or maybe he's just trying to throw off the illuminati. :boxedin:

[Foolmewunz]

I'm here.

Weekeends are family time, rarely post here on Saturdays or Sundays :) Besides, my Official NWO Government Shill check doesn't include overtime for weekends.

I call troll.

Jeez, you re-upped too early. Gravy and Abby get overtime! :D

While waiting for Commander Cody to get back from his movements (:p ), let's start a pool, I'll throw in five bucks to start. "Who loses their cool and goes all whup-ass on him, first?"

(No fair tilting the machine and bringing in DeBunk, okay?)

[Blue Mountain]

(Leading paragraph snipped)
While waiting for Commander Cody to get back from his movements (:p ), let's start a pool, I'll throw in five bucks to start. "Who loses their cool and goes all whup-ass on him, first?"

(No fair tilting the machine and bringing in DeBunk, okay?)
Can I ask CFLarsen to join the thread? :D

[Foolmewunz]

Can I ask CFLarsen to join the thread? :D

Sure! I think he was actually spotted today over near Killtown Korner, so CT must be luring him away from pooh-slinging with his usual droogies.:p

[NobbyNobbs]

As long as we're "just asking questions", I have a few of my own....

I can not give further details at this stage.

..... but five years later, the pain has been too much to ignore and I must.

It's been 5 years. The pain is too great. It's time to come out and say something...but not give details?

I think I am correct in bringing my evidence here, because if I can convince skpetics about the truth behind the real 9/11 conspiracy, it may become disseminated to people who can actually get some truth in amongst the lies being perpetrated by 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

The group of people you should be talking who fit this description are known as "New York Time reporters". Look into it.

What I have to say bears no relation to any "theory" but is cold, hard fact......

The only reason I am prepared to do this is because I am sure that the current adminstation has committed a vastly worse crime than this shall ever be.

Sounds to me like you have a "theory".

1 What was in directive 163/AK/404, issued to flight controllers and security personnel at Dulles? The directive was issued secretly and only a very few people knew of its existence. I found out about it by chance when a long-serving friend from MI died recently. The directive was issued at 0600 on 9/11/01.

You say you have a photocopy of the directive. You should know what's in it. How about telling us instead of asking us? And how does the death of a friend give you access to this directive?

2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all. I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?

The Major-General has never before been known to leave the room to take a call? Not a very popular guy...

And if he left the room, how do you know he made a call to an unlisted cellphone number in D.C.? Whatever technology was used to find that out will have beenused to trace it and mark it.

3 Where is the missing Tomahawk missile? Upon audit on 8/3/01, a BGM-109 TLAM-C was found to be missing from inventory in ESG5. Why were auditors taken away that same afternoon to a "conference" from which they returned, never to mention the subject again? And there IS one unaccounted for. Why were the final figures changed to coincide with the new total held?

Give us a couple names of the auditors and what company they worked for.

4 Why was Pentagon DSMAC information downloaded onto a hard-drive on 8/26/01?

And you know this, how? By having a copy of the disk? Well, just look at the info...you're a military guy, you should be able to figure out it's significance.

Oh, that's right. You're just asking questions.

First off, let me tell you what I believe. I believe that people in our Government knew about the plot to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings.

I thought you weren't advancing any theories? That's how you started the post.


I don't think it was Major-General Anderson. I have my own theory.

I think it was Colonel Mustard. In the Pentagon. With the Tomahawk.

[eeyore1954]

1 What was in directive 163/AK/404, issued to flight controllers and security personnel at Dulles? The directive was issued secretly and only a very few people knew of its existence. I found out about it by chance when a long-serving friend from MI died recently. The directive was issued at 0600 on 9/11/01.

2 All publicly-available records note NORAD not being advised of the hijack until after 0925, if at all. I can advise that Major-General Larry Arnold took a call on his private cellphone - from an outside line - at 0857 on 9/11/01. What was this call? Why did he immediately leave a pre-arranged meeting upon receiving the call? Why did he leave the room before picking up the call? Major-General Arnold has never been known to do this before. Why did he immediately make a call to an unlisted cellphone number in Washington DC? Why does he deny making or receiving either call. How convenient is it that Major-General Arnold "lost" his personal cellphone the same afternoon?

3 Where is the missing Tomahawk missile? Upon audit on 8/3/01, a BGM-109 TLAM-C was found to be missing from inventory in ESG5. Why were auditors taken away that same afternoon to a "conference" from which they returned, never to mention the subject again? And there IS one unaccounted for. Why were the final figures changed to coincide with the new total held?

4 Why was Pentagon DSMAC information downloaded onto a hard-drive on 8/26/01?

Those are some of the facts I have in my possession about matters pertaining to 9/11/01. Opinion? First off, let me tell you what I believe. I believe that people in our Government knew about the plot to hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings. I will not buy into theories which suggest that the Bush Administration organised the attacks, but I am convinced that they allowed the attacks. Let us start from here and see where it ends up.

Warmest Regards

5stargeneral


1) If the supposed nefarious directive was issued to flight controllers and security personnel am I to believe either they were involved in some plot and did not reveal the details of this directive or did they not realize it was important . I hope they also issued another similar directive to controllers and security personnel at Logan in order to make the plans goes smoothly.

3) Do others know it is missing or are you the only one?

4) How do you know it was downloaded?

[Nevermore]

... I have the following questions, to which I have not been given satisfactory answers and it is as a result of the pressure to drop the questions which has led me to resign from my commission and a twenty-seven year career in service of my country...

Hello and welcome to the forums.

One question: why did you choose to use the phrase "to resign from my commission?" As a former Army officer with a measly seven years of service, I believe the generally accepted phrase is "to resign my commission."

When I resigned my commission (at the rank of Captain) I had to submit a letter per regulation. If you would post an image of this letter with the sensitive information blacked out it may help strengthen your case. If you are still in the process of separating you may not have received your DD Form 214 but, if you have, that too would help prove your background.

Lastly, were all 27 years of your service as a commissioned officer?

Thanks.

[Loss Leader]

All I can hope is that my unquestioned patriotism and an unblemished twenty-seven year record will add credence to my statements.

You do undestand that just saying you have an unblemished twenty-seven year record doesn't add credibility to anything. Perhaps if you gave us some reason to believe you are who you claim to be, that might go some way towards adding a ring of truthfulness.

Otherwise, I suggest you contact any of the following people. They will listen to all of your evidence, investigate any unanswered questions you have, hold your information without disclosing it for so long as you like, communicate with you through methods untraceable by the government, and they will go to jail for years before disclosing your identity. They are much better able to make use of your information for the good of this country than any reader of this forum:

tony_karon@timemagazine.com
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/michael+abramowitz/
kstark@phillynews.com
http://www.csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/contactus.pl#staff

[Big Les]

I also hate the way the English say Al-u-min-i-um, and the way they say "zed" instead of "zee."

Damn your eyes, sir! Damn your breeches! Damn your duckpond! You can have your rancid "aluminum" *shudder*, but we invented "zed" and we're bally well keeping it! In fact, we're insidiously reintroducing it to you North Americans via the online zombie game Urban Dead (www.urbandead.com). (In which zombies are referred to as "zeds" and not "zees"). So that'll show (a few thousand of) you.

[T.A.M.]

Yes, remember Sir Knight. He to came in here making grand claims, but would give no details in public.

Didn't see much come from that scenario. Can't say I am expecting much more than troll in this case either.

TAM

[stateofgrace]

5star has said...........

Where is the missing Tomahawk missile?


Pentagon DSMAC information


"John Doe's avatar".


Point 3 relates solely to Flight 77

I look forward to the rest of your evidence. By the way do you know I am John Doe’s number one fan?

[Cuddles]

I also hate the way the English say Al-u-min-i-um, and the way they say "zed" instead of "zee." Sorry, anytime I do a British dialect I have to remember all the extra syllables, and respell all the words with IPA in my head. I especially dislike "necessary" and "secretary." Nothing against the people, and I'm sure you dislike our pronunciation of certain words. The few English actors I've worked with find midwestern American dialects (like mine) hard, but southern easy(except Barry Morse who is a genius with dialects), like me they have to listen to american radio to warm up (I listen to the BBC on NPR).

I'm confused. How do we say "necessary" and "secretary"? Or how do you say them? I take it IPA isn't supposed to be a kind of beer here? Hey, I'm just asking questions.:)

[T.A.M.]

just remember who spoke english first...lol

TAM

[CptColumbo]

I'm confused. How do we say "necessary" and "secretary"? Or how do you say them? I take it IPA isn't supposed to be a kind of beer here? Hey, I'm just asking questions.:)

IPA is the International Phonetic Alphabet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet

Phonetically, most people who speak with an English dialect skip over the a sound in secretary and necessary. It ends up sounding like (I don't know how to change the fonts to fit the IPA) Se-cre-tree, while mid-western Americans say Se-cre-tari.

just remember who spoke english first...lol

TAM
Minnesotan accents (like mine) are terrible, just watch Fargo. Of course, that is the extreme, but it took me years to not pepper my other dialects with it.

Oh, Yah. You Betcha.

[CptColumbo]

Damn your eyes, sir! Damn your breeches! Damn your duckpond! You can have your rancid "aluminum" *shudder*, but we invented "zed" and we're bally well keeping it! In fact, we're insidiously reintroducing it to you North Americans via the online zombie game Urban Dead (www.urbandead.com). (In which zombies are referred to as "zeds" and not "zees"). So that'll show (a few thousand of) you.In "World War Z" they call them "Zacks."

[Pardalis]

:slp:

[T.A.M.]

bonjour pardalis, je ne parlez pas le fracais.

TAM

[realitybites]

5Star, it's been said numerous times in this thread already, but please... For the love of all that is good and holy in this world, take your information to people who can do something with it.

Blow this thing wide open. Bring the real perps to justice. Let's get this trial started, shall we?

Honest to god. What are you people waiting for?!?!!? You got one-third of Americans on your side. This mountain of concrete, verifiable proof that backs up your story. And yet the only thing you people ever do is post on internet forums.

Prove us skeptics wrong! Do it publicly! Become the national hero you know you want to be! Blow the ****** whistle and END THIS!

Otherwise, you're just as culpable as the supposed real murderers.

[Pardalis]

I see ze genéral has notte come back. Coude some wone wake me up when he doz OK?

(boy, it is hard to write with an accent) :D

[Loss Leader]

Countdown to cats is T minus 10 hours.

[Hellbound]

KITTIES!!!

Oh, that reminds me. I'll have to post an audio file sometime. IT was requested at the JREF meet in Dallas.

My dog will imitate fire and police sirens when he howls. I promised to make an audio file of it some night.

[CptColumbo]

Countdown to cats is T minus 10 hours.Why can't it be puppies?

[Pardalis]

Or budgies?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_8886452a8307d5879.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=1836)

:D

[CptColumbo]

Or budgies?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_8886452a8289047c0.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=1835)

:D

Here, Here!
;)

[LashL]

Or bunnies?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_11103452a834c63e99.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=1837)

[T.A.M.]

Or why not....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Cepaea_nemoralis_pair_banded_shells.jpg/200px-Cepaea_nemoralis_pair_banded_shells.jpg

Oh wait, i forgot, they're just gubmint shells...I mean shills.

TAM:)

[CptColumbo]

Or why not....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Cepaea_nemoralis_pair_banded_shells.jpg/200px-Cepaea_nemoralis_pair_banded_shells.jpg

Oh wait, i forgot, they're just gubmint shells...I mean shills.

TAM:)

I don't see the stamp or seal.
:p

[Hellbound]

Why not:
http://www.whispersfrombeyond.com.au/Assets/porcupine.jpg

[T.A.M.]

its inside the shill, silly.

TAM

The porcupine is actually a great analogy for the entire CT movement. It is this beast that is just full of all these randomly directed "points" or "needles" none of which seem to have a purpose but to insult or "harm" those who oppose the beast as a whole.

TAM

[StoneWT]

I will not buy into theories which suggest that the Bush Administration organised the attacks, but I am convinced that they allowed the attacks. Let us start from here and see where it ends up. [bolding added-Stone]


This is the clincher. Along with the other mistakes in his posts, this one shows that he was just trying to stir the pot.

[Pardalis]

I think a crab would be a better analogy with the CTs... Walking sideways. :D

[jhunter1163]

[derail]

I recently had a skunk under my porch. I asked on an Internet forum what to do, and was advised to throw lutefisk under there as skunks are very sensitive to smelly things. So I did, and the skunk is gone, but now I have Norwegians under my porch. Any suggestions?

[\derail]

[Hellbound]

its inside the shill, silly.

TAM

The porcupine is actually a great analogy for the entire CT movement. It is this beast that is just full of all these randomly directed "points" or "needles" none of which seem to have a purpose but to insult or "harm" those who oppose the beast as a whole.

TAM

Whoa.

Duuuuuude.

Somebody actually got the (semi-)serious point inside my joke.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD, YOU GOVERNMENT MIND READER!!!!!one!!!11!!!!!!eleven!!!!!!!

:D

[Ratatoskr]

[derail]

I recently had a skunk under my porch. I asked on an Internet forum what to do, and was advised to throw lutefisk under there as skunks are very sensitive to smelly things. So I did, and the skunk is gone, but now I have Norwegians under my porch. Any suggestions?

[\derail]

You can charge them rent? Should take care of the problem quickly.

Btw, being norwegian, I've never tasted lutefisk. (But will try smalahove later this week)

[smother]

I know I'm a noob and know that my words have close to zero weight compared to the long time users of this forum.

But I for one think that we all should keep our minds open. At least stop the mocking and the name calling we have seen in this thread. Just give 5stargeneral and others like him a descent chance of presenting their evidence.

Maybe 5stargeneral is really onto something? If he really does, I doubt it would be the one and only smoking gun. Instead it might be circumstancial "evidence" that really means nothing and/or can be easily explained. Still I would like to know.

Bad treatment of newbies that challenge forum consensus is what we see at LCF. I think we should keep those manners contained to that place.

[Hellbound]

smother:

SOrry, but this guy is not military, not NORAD, and does not have evidence. Period.

I'll have an open mind, but present the evidecne. Not your blind assertions.

He has nothing. And I state that categorically. If proven wrong I will happily revela my full name and address, and post a vido of myself standing on the White House lawn, naked, wearing a sign saying "I was wrong!"

Yes, we should keep our minds open. But an open mind doesn't mean we blindly accept the most ridiculous of stories based on zero evidence, even when they contradict known facts.

[T.A.M.]

huntsman:


Whoa.

Duuuuuude.

Somebody actually got the (semi-)serious point inside my joke.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD, YOU GOVERNMENT MIND READER!!!!!one!!!11!!!!!!eleven!!!!!!!

I want you get your wallet. Empty the wallet into a nondescript bag. Leave it at the corner of first and main.

TAM - govt implant


Smother:


I know I'm a noob and know that my words have close to zero weight compared to the long time users of this forum.

But I for one think that we all should keep our minds open. At least stop the mocking and the name calling we have seen in this thread. Just give 5stargeneral and others like him a descent chance of presenting their evidence.

Maybe 5stargeneral is really onto something? If he really does, I doubt it would be the one and only smoking gun. Instead it might be circumstancial "evidence" that really means nothing and/or can be easily explained. Still I would like to know.

Bad treatment of newbies that challenge forum consensus is what we see at LCF. I think we should keep those manners contained to that place.

While there are certain people here who I would say carry more weight, in my mind only, in terms of knowledge of 9/11, it is my opinion. The forum itself does not play favorites wrt your opinion weighted against your time here.

Do not mistake extreme skepticism for mocking or name calling. Like over at LC we get alot of people claiming to be this or that. Unlike LC, we tend to dismiss it until solid proof is given to prove a claim's legitimacy.

A newbie who comes in here with no claims, just curiosity or questions, will likely be treated very well here, with no skepticism, or very little. 5SG however, is making claims that he has knowledge of a govt coverup, which here at this site, is an extremely grand claim, that MUST be backed up with SOLID EVIDENCE, which so far has not been.

Oh, and by the way, welcome to the forum, if I havent welcomed you already.

TAM

[gnome]

Tell me, what kind of treatment does someone deserve who has serious inconsistencies in his story that he doesn't address, and keeps dangling a promise of hard info that is easy to provide, but never appears? There's having an open mind, and there's being taken for a ride.

If real evidence started showing up, most of us would be watching with fascination even if it seemed incredible.

[gnome]

In fact, the very fact that this thread is alive at all is testimony that most of us hope futilely for something substantial to appear... how closed-minded is that?

[smother]

Tell me, what kind of treatment does someone deserve who has serious inconsistencies in his story that he doesn't address, and keeps dangling a promise of hard info that is easy to provide, but never appears? There's having an open mind, and there's being taken for a ride.


Let's wait and see. My verdict will be in if he fails to upload an image of directive 163/AK/404, which he claims to have in his possession.

[smother]

He has nothing. And I state that categorically. If proven wrong I will happily revela my full name and address, and post a vido of myself standing on the White House lawn, naked, wearing a sign saying "I was wrong!"

Yes, we should keep our minds open. But an open mind doesn't mean we blindly accept the most ridiculous of stories based on zero evidence, even when they contradict known facts.

I agree. But in my opinion a troll would be hesitant of supplying that amount of information that 5stargeneral actually posted in his first post. For instance the name of the directive and the name of the major-general. A classic troll would leave out the details IMHO.

[CptColumbo]

I agree. But in my opinion a troll would be hesitant of supplying that amount of information that 5stargeneral actually posted in his first post. For instance the name of the directive and the name of the major-general. A classic troll would leave out the details IMHO.

I find that some will pepper their lies with the truth, in an attempt to add credibility.

[ranson]

I think everyone has missed the best little joke 5sg left us.

What is the directive that he claims to have?

163/AK/404

And what do we all know a 404 stands for on this here interweb? "File not found". This "directive" does not exist and our troll has been kind enough to tell us this from the very beginning.

All hail kittens, recipies, and kitten recipies!

[Cylinder]

smother:

SOrry, but this guy is not military, not NORAD, and does not have evidence. Period.

For instance, he relies on the meme that "NORAD issued secret operational orders." Had 5star ever set boot on an ops floor. he'd soon realize that all OPORDS are "secret."

[Cylinder]

For instance the name of the directive and the name of the major-general.

He certainly supplied enough evidence to get himself killed. Check the distribution for retired then deceased officers, then look at his or her closest friend. Hell - kill them all since 3000 was not too high a toll in the first place.

[Lisa Simpson]

.All hail kittens, recipies, and kitten recipies!

Am I the only one amused by the SPAM recipes that appear on Gmail?

SPAM FAJITAS

Vegetable cooking spray
1 Green bell pepper, cut into julienne strips
1/2 Onion, cut into 1/4" slices
1 can SPAM Luncheon Meat, cut into julienne strips (12 oz)
3/4 c CHI-CHI's Salsa
8 Flour tortillas, warmed (8")
2c Shredded lettuce
1/2c Shredded hot pepper Monterey Jack or Cheddar cheese
1/2c Nonfat plain yogurt
Extra salsa, if desired

Spray large non-stick skillet with vegetable cooking spray. Heat
skillet over medium-high heat. Saute green pepper and onion 2
minutes. Add SPAM. Saute 2 minutes. Stir in salsa and heat
thoroughly. Spoon about 1/2 cup SPAM mixture into each flour
tortilla. Top each with 1/2 cup shredded lettuce, 1 tablespoon
shredded cheese, 1 tablespoon yogurt, and extra salsa, if desired.

[Dog Town]

SPAM FAJITAS
At Spamarama in Austin Texas, you can get a Spam rita to wash that down with!

[smother]

I think everyone has missed the best little joke 5sg left us.

What is the directive that he claims to have?

163/AK/404

And what do we all know a 404 stands for on this here interweb? "File not found". This "directive" does not exist and our troll has been kind enough to tell us this from the very beginning.

All hail kittens, recipies, and kitten recipies!

Could be. But wouldn't we be baffled if directive 163/AK/403 was succeeded by directive 163/AK/405? As I stated earlier, my verdict will be in if he fails to deliver the uploaded image of said directive.

[CptColumbo]

Last time I tried to upload an image here it had too many KB. Is there a way to make it more acceptable?

[Lisa Simpson]

I usually use imageshack (http://imageshack.us).

ETA: Most photo software programs have something called resize. You could try making it smaller.

[Bell]

I usually use imageshack (http://imageshack.us).

ETA: Most photo software programs have something called resize. You could try making it smaller.

I WILL DO NO SUCH THING, MA'AM!! :mad:

[Lisa Simpson]

Size isn't everything.*


*Yes it is, but we aren't supposed to say that.

[Dog Town]

Nice invisiscript(tm).

[T.A.M.]

Well he has 6 hours left. I think he has had plenty of time to sleep, get a bite, photoshop someones DD214, doctor it, and have it ready for us. What you say?

TAM

[Bell]

Nice invisiscript(tm).

3 pixels on 4 point centers, packed with C4?

[Lisa Simpson]

Yes, courtesy of the NWO.

[HighRiser]

Can anyone cite a source for the missing Tomahawk story? Google doesn't find anything useful with the terms 'missing tomahawk'.

Having been an Avaition Ordnanceman in the US Navy and having had some hands-on experience with the Tomahawk and other PRP-only* weapons, I can't imagine a scenario in which one could go missing. Weapons that have secret-classified componants are closely guarded and thier whereabouts are tracked constantly by a very reliable system of both human and technological checks.

*Personell Reliability Program. Related to security classification of military personell that handle sensitive materials.

[Hellbound]

Can anyone cite a source for the missing Tomahawk story? Google doesn't find anything useful with the terms 'missing tomahawk'.

Having been an Avaition Ordnanceman in the US Navy and having had some hands-on experience with the Tomahawk and other PRP-only* weapons, I can't imagine a scenario in which one could go missing. Weapons that have secret-classified componants are closely guarded and thier whereabouts are tracked constantly by a very reliable system of both human and technological checks.

*Personell Reliability Program. Related to security classification of military personell that handle sensitive materials.

S00p3r L33t Hax0rs!!!!!!!

:D

[HighRiser]

Did they Hax google or the Tomahawk? Or both?

[Hellbound]

Did they Hax google or the Tomahawk?

Both, man. Quantum commandos. VIbrational teleportation devices. Cloning.

The truth is out there (or maybe I'm out there....I don't rememeber which)

:wackyeek:

[Cylinder]

Personell Reliability Program. Related to security classification of military personell that handle sensitive materials.

I was PRP which sucked quite a bit being stationed in the UK.

[HighRiser]

Heheh, I bet. Try going on temporary duty to Turkey if you want a real treat...

[Cylinder]

Heheh, I bet. Try going on temporary duty to Turkey if you want a real treat...

Yea - that would suck though I suppose self-reporting contacts with "certain nationals" is thrown out in that case. I guess the language barrier makes things a bit easier though.

[CurtC]

Regular cats are too big for my tastes. I prefer Bonsai Kittens (http://www.bonsaikitten.com/).

[Zygar]

Regular cats are too big for my tastes. I prefer Bonsai Kittens (http://www.bonsaikitten.com/).

Hehehehe

I kid. I really do love cats.

[Brainache]

The porcupine is actually a great analogy for the entire CT movement. It is this beast that is just full of all these randomly directed "points" or "needles" none of which seem to have a purpose but to insult or "harm" those who oppose the beast as a whole.

TAM

Sorry, but I just saw this and I have to disagree. A porcupine has the pricks on the outside.

Boom tish.

[T.A.M.]

ROFLMAO

That is in contention for "comeback of the day".

Well gents and ladies, it is now darn near close to 24 hours since 5SG left, so He should be along any minute...

TAM

[gnome]

Unless, of course... they got him.

Too bad he didn't post his info right away, it would be all over the world before they could stop it. Now since he was being all coy they probably caught him telegraphing his intent and stopped him.

[5stargeneral]

Your posts contain a great deal of food for thought, I do apoligize for taking so long to come back, but I have a life to live and do not have all day to work on the internet, unlike some here, it would appear. Some of that food for thought is rather unpalatable, but I guess you are used to your ways and I am not.

Intense speculation and questions have been posted in the past 24 hours, some of it even makes sense. The part which makes the most sense is that anything I do post will immediately attract cries of "Photoshop" and going by some of the things I have seen come out of that site, if I knew how to manipulate photographic evidence, I could indeed change it to mean anything I wished.

I also see that there has been speculation as to my age and that the information replying to a question I completed incorrectly (deliberately so) when I registered for this forum has already been accessed. I am actually in my late 40s, this being as much as I will admit to right now. This is precisely why I did not use genuine information. If I wished to be identified, I would have already told you who and what I am/was. I also apologize for not writing purely in military format, but I presumed that most of the posters here were non-military and may not understand what I meant. I see that is not the case. I intended no mis-understandings.

Some of the people who have addressed the issues have indeed got me to thinking about this whole matter. If you were wondering why it has taken me five years to do anything, be assured it is because I made a death-bed promise to a friend to do something. Since taking any further action would require me to reveal information about me in a public forum, I must refuse to do so at this stage. I have read all of the posts over the past hour or so and I notice that several people have recommended that I approach the mass-media to take up the case. That would have the benefit of one thing I did not take into account when I started this off, the ability to use original information where I cannot be accused of altering details, so I thank those who have made the suggestion.

I apologize further for not completing in here what I set out to do, but I shall assuredly follow up with one of the media outlets noted.

I shall not return to this subject, although I may choose to discuss other matters if I find something worth discussing on the JREF forum. As I stated previously, I am a fan of Mr. Randi and am willing to give this forum a try, even if not for the original purpose.

I thank you all for your forebearance and trust that you may be able to read further details if and when those details are released by whichever source picks it up.

Warmest Regards.

5stargeneral

p.s. My dictionary contains "Hallo" as an alternative spelling of "Hello" and it is a use I have always followed.

p.p.s I have no doubts that my attitude will cause everyone to shout, "Told you so". So be it. If I post, I am to be called as a cheater, if I do not I shall be called as a liar. I find a no-win situation here, so I shall do as I do in these situations and take the loss without blame.

[Lisa Simpson]

Right. You are back. Let's see those documents now, okay?

[Dog Town]

I apologize further for not completing in here what I set out to do, but I shall assuredly follow up with one of the media outlets noted.

Well I could call that short, but sweet. It was neither, however!
Thanks for playing...

[JLam]

:words:I had been wishy-washy before, but with this last post you've really solidified things for me. I'm convinced that the gummint was behind everything. You've proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that all one has to do is post a bunch of vague sounding questions to prove his case.

Bravo, sir! You are as intelligent as you are eloquent. You've proven us all wrong. Darat, I trust you'll shut down this section of the forum now.

[Foolmewunz]

Right. You are back. Let's see those documents now, okay?

Yeah, sure. Did I miss the CNN story on pigs flying this morning? :D

Oh my, all you skeptics iz so smart you've made me realize that I could be in danger, so I better not say any more. Shhhh! But I'll stay around so that the NWO death squads can find me through my IP.

WTF? I'm voting non-troll. (Or "troll on our side" to be more accurate.) I'm voting anti-CTer doing some sort of parody or satirical performance art via the web?

[Lisa Simpson]

I'm voting the troll ticket. No muss, no fuss, just a troll.

[David Wong]

162 posts.

[Bell]

I'm voting the troll ticket. No muss, no fuss, just a troll.

No no no no no. Rumsfeld had a 'talk' with 5stargeneral today.

[Lisa Simpson]

Yes, but with a spam recipe. How bad can an a thread be if it has a spam recipe included?

[HighRiser]

Aww, damnit... I really wanted to know about the missing tomahawk.

[Foolmewunz]

I'm voting the troll ticket. No muss, no fuss, just a troll.

Probably. It's just that so far it's like it's from the Trolling 201 course at Tinfoiler College...., which could well be someone thinking they can burst balloons. The next step, if he follows the pattern, will be to just pop up now and then in other threads with that top secret hush hush insider dope he has, and then start a new "I'm coming out" thread in about two weeks.

Popcorn! Popocorn! Get your pocorn, here!

[bob_kark]

I also see that there has been speculation as to my age and that the information replying to a question I completed incorrectly (deliberately so) when I registered for this forum has already been accessed. I am actually in my late 40s, this being as much as I will admit to right now. This is precisely why I did not use genuine information. If I wished to be identified, I would have already told you who and what I am/was. I also apologize for not writing purely in military format, but I presumed that most of the posters here were non-military and may not understand what I meant. I see that is not the case. I intended no mis-understandings.
So, you provided falsified information when you joined the forum? Did you also provide a false name?

[gnome]

Actually, didn't he also admit to being in technical violation of a rule that has been somewhat controversial here?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Your ... The part which makes the most sense is that anything I do post will immediately attract cries of "Photoshop" and going by some of the things I have seen come out of that site, if I knew how to manipulate photographic evidence, I could indeed change it to mean anything I wished.
...

If you are referring to the Lauro Chavez thread then I have to seriously question your choice of verbage. The accusations of digital manipulation that were discussed on that thread were clearly documented and the work provided as evidence and to be held up for scrutiny. Your suggestion that there were, or in your case would be, cries of "Photoshop" without substantiating evidence is tad offensive.

[stateofgrace]

p.p.s I have no doubts that my attitude will cause everyone to shout, "Told you so". So be it. If I post, I am to be called as a cheater, if I do not I shall be called as a liar. I find a no-win situation here, so I shall do as I do in these situations and take the loss without blame.

Now you can save this right away, as though you have been wronged.

Let it be made crystal clear. You came here, you said you had hard evidence and you were willing to publish it.

You have not produced anything close to credible evidence that throws doubt on the official story.

Before engaging in any forum debate, you should understand that there will be people that will challenge you and will question you credentials.

Don't blame a single person here for calling you out. You did not deliver the goodies and have not shown a single piece of evidence to back your claims.

[Lisa Simpson]

Actually, didn't he also admit to being in technical violation of a rule that has been somewhat controversial here?

Yes, he did and I have PMed Darat. However, Darat being in the UK, it won't be until tomorrow that I get a response.

[Zygar]

:popcorn2

[T.A.M.]

Well I will keep my eyes open, and my ears will be listening for this riveting story that is going to "bring down the government". Somehow I doubt we'll be seeing any such thing though.

Oh well. At least this one only took 5 pages to refute.

TAM

[LashL]

The part which makes the most sense is that anything I do post will immediately attract cries of "Photoshop"

That is both unfair and untrue.

Post your documents and let people take a look at them and you will find that nobody here will yell "Photoshop" unless and until there is actual evidence that they are falsified.

If they are genuine, you have nothing to worry about being accused of Photoshopping them here.

[TjW]

its inside the shill, silly.

TAM

The porcupine is actually a great analogy for the entire CT movement. It is this beast that is just full of all these randomly directed "points" or "needles" none of which seem to have a purpose but to insult or "harm" those who oppose the beast as a whole.

TAM
Au contraire. It's inverted. In the CT movement, all the pricks are on the inside.

[Loss Leader]

I have read all of the posts over the past hour or so and I notice that several people have recommended that I approach the mass-media to take up the case. That would have the benefit of one thing I did not take into account when I started this off, the ability to use original information where I cannot be accused of altering details, so I thank those who have made the suggestion.

I apologize further for not completing in here what I set out to do, but I shall assuredly follow up with one of the media outlets noted.

As one of the people who suggested he go to the media (and who provided actual email addresses for reporters at major news outlets) I would like to take full credit for providing this troll an honorable avenue of escape when he realized he was in way, way over his head.

[Lisa Simpson]

It is amazing how fast he took off once the demand for evidence was called.

[David Wong]

Now watch this thing hit the front page of the New York Times tomorrow.

Actual signed orders from Bush calling for the demolition, actual photos of
Bush pushing the button that launched the Tomohawk at the Pentagon...

[Dog Town]

It is amazing how fast he took off once the demand for evidence was called.

That must be why, he checked this place out first, for 2-6 months!

[WildCat]

It is amazing how fast he took off once the demand for evidence was called.
Or THEY got him...

[Lisa Simpson]

yes....THEY...

*Lisa hides her official NWO membership card.

[Anti-sophist]

Did you guys ever think it would be more fun to not run them off so fast.. all I'm asking for is to give them a little more rope... maybe enough to post a document or two for us to see.

[Dog Town]

Did you guys ever think it would be more fun to not run them off so fast.. all I'm asking for is to give them a little more rope... maybe enough to post a document or two for us to see.

There is no document, repeat there is no document. IMHO! Besides, if that was real, his skin would be thicker than that. 27 spotless years and all!

[Lisa Simpson]

What kind of person would have (real) information like that and not tell the appropriate people? Or a reporter at the very least? Certainly someone who doesn't give a rat's arse about the country.

[Zep]

I seem to recall having a personal rant about exactly that a few months ago...

[Topspy]

As far as I know, good spelling and grammar are not absolute requirements for military service, and he has said that typing is not his strong point. Why do people on this forum always go for such trivial matters? He sounds more lucid than most of the wackos who make claims here. BUT...... I saw a man in a trench coat across the street last night in a phone booth.... moments later a plain black SUV swept in an picked him up. The very next day, 6 roadside bombs exploded in Iraq!

So.... Connect the dots here General. What are you claiming, exactly? and how is it relevent, and how do you intend to prove it? Without explaining this, the whole thing is a waste of time.

[Dog Town]

As far as I know, good spelling and grammar are not absolute requirements for military service, and he has said that typing is not his strong point. Why do people on this forum always go for such trivial matters?

Might wanna pay attention, and read the thread! Bold is made of straw!

[negativ]

Not even half as entertaining as John Titor. Oh well. I got my money's worth, anyway.

[alexg]

Did you guys ever think it would be more fun to not run them off so fast.. all I'm asking for is to give them a little more rope... maybe enough to post a document or two for us to see.

I gotta agree. Why not let him ramble? More fun that way.

[Blue Mountain]

I'm holding off posting a kitten picture for a little while at least.

While I'm reasonably convinced 5stargeneral is not who he says he is, I'm waiting for better evidence either way.

[bob_kark]

Did you guys ever think it would be more fun to not run them off so fast.. all I'm asking for is to give them a little more rope... maybe enough to post a document or two for us to see.
He ran himself off when he:

Provided false information when creating his account.
Was foolish enough to admit it!

There is no 3. In fact, there didn't need to be a 2!

[qarnos]

Did you guys ever think it would be more fun to not run them off so fast.. all I'm asking for is to give them a little more rope... maybe enough to post a document or two for us to see.

Nobody was stopping him from posting his evidence. He can post it now if he wants. He just didn't have any, that's all.

I can't speak for the others, but I am not going to humor every Tom, Dick and Harry who comes in here claiming to be an "insider" with top secret world-shattering info about 9/11... but they aren't gonna reveal it right now.

[Dazed]

Big ***** surprise, eh lads?

At least the name of the thread is fitting.

[5stargeneral]

Hey, how'd I do?

Time to come clean, I guess. Lisa Simpson {God, I hate that program} has run off to ban me because I had the birthdate wrong.

The good news is that it isn't. Wrong that is.

Ok team it's time for Da Troof! I'm in Sydney and have had the biggest gutsful of CT and I've been telling everyone very bloody loudly that people who believe CT are disproving Darwin every day. Not only that, 3000 people dies at the hands of a few nutcase Saudis, yet the CT ***kers are sh*tting all over their graves!

My old man scouts around and puts his ten cents worth in here and there and he told me that this forum actually has some real CT debunkers on it. Every other ****** forum I've tried to get involved in just ends up being a bloody great catfight and the CT BS artists just post the same BS time, after time, after time, after time,...... you get the point, it looks as though you're fairly used to it in here.

And another thing. Do you know how hard it is to type like a US Army guy, spelling and using US English? Who was the Mr. Smart Arse who got straight onto the times? Christ, mate, give a bloke a break! hey look, I do apologise for pulling your tits like that but I always intended to give you the "troof" pretty quickly. And while we're on the subject, why do all CTers sound like they left school at age 7? probably they all did... Hang me if you must but it looks like you enjoyed crapping all over my elaborately prepared BS. I have actually used those exact details at a CT site or two, so don't be surprised if you see them come up again in the future. I hope you can all forgive me, but I wanted to see with my own eyes whether you blokes knew what you were talking about and you obviously do!!! I was f***ed after the first half dozen replies. Well done. I'll go off and intro myself properly in the intro pages now. C ya round. If you're gonna shoot, let me know so's I can get my graddad's tin hat on first...

[Zep]

Hey, how'd I do?

Time to come clean, I guess. Lisa Simpson {God, I hate that program} has run off to ban me because I had the birthdate wrong.

The good news is that it isn't. Wrong that is.

Ok team it's time for Da Troof! I'm in Sydney and have had the biggest gutsful of CT and I've been telling everyone very bloody loudly that people who believe CT are disproving Darwin every day. Not only that, 3000 people dies at the hands of a few nutcase Saudis, yet the CT ***kers are sh*tting all over their graves!

My old man scouts around and puts his ten cents worth in here and there and he told me that this forum actually has some real CT debunkers on it. Every other ****** forum I've tried to get involved in just ends up being a bloody great catfight and the CT BS artists just post the same BS time, after time, after time, after time,...... you get the point, it looks as though you're fairly used to it in here.

And another thing. Do you know how hard it is to type like a US Army guy, spelling and using US English? Who was the Mr. Smart Arse who got straight onto the times? Christ, mate, give a bloke a break! hey look, I do apologise for pulling your tits like that but I always intended to give you the "troof" pretty quickly. And while we're on the subject, why do all CTers sound like they left school at age 7? probably they all did... Hang me if you must but it looks like you enjoyed crapping all over my elaborately prepared BS. I have actually used those exact details at a CT site or two, so don't be surprised if you see them come up again in the future. I hope you can all forgive me, but I wanted to see with my own eyes whether you blokes knew what you were talking about and you obviously do!!! I was f***ed after the first half dozen replies. Well done. I'll go off and intro myself properly in the intro pages now. C ya round. If you're gonna shoot, let me know so's I can get my graddad's tin hat on first...Which suburb in Sydney, 5sg?

[Foolmewunz]

Since I'm in Hong Kong I get to claim victory before anyone else!!!
Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah! I was ri-ight. Lah di dah di dah di! :D

I called it early this a.m. Just didn't sound like you believed a thing you were writing 5Star! Too classic a troll tale, so I reckoned you were an anti-CTer looking to prove a point.

(You're gonna get hammered left and right for a little while... the anti-CT group here are pretty strong-minded. If you can take a little deserved smacking, and can actually put some of that energy to use...., well, then.... WELCOME ABOARD....)

[5stargeneral]

Which suburb in Sydney, 5sg?Balmain. You here too?

[Zep]

Balmain. You here too?Rhodes and Parramatta. Most of the time.

[greyleonard]

I hope you can all forgive me

I'm not going to.

[5stargeneral]

Since I'm in Hong Kong I get to claim victory before anyone else!!!
Nyah Nyah Nyah Nyah! I was ri-ight. Lah di dah di dah di! :D

I called it early this a.m. Just didn't sound like you believed a thing you were writing 5Star! Too classic a troll tale, so I reckoned you were an anti-CTer looking to prove a point.

(You're gonna get hammered left and right for a little while... the anti-CT group here are pretty strong-minded. If you can take a little deserved smacking, and can actually put some of that energy to use...., well, then.... WELCOME ABOARD....)Hey, the joy of time zones...

Mate, I can take a slap or two. Given a few in my time, so I'm used to taking the odd one back. I'm with you on deserving a couple. LOL!!! How's about I write out "I must not piss off the CT destroyers at JREF" 1000 times. I can type if you like, my typing speed's actually phenomenally high.

[Flo]

Hey, the joy of time zones...

Mate, I can take a slap or two. Given a few in my time, so I'm used to taking the odd one back. I'm with you on deserving a couple. LOL!!! How's about I write out "I must not piss off the CT destroyers at JREF" 1000 times. I can type if you like, my typing speed's actually phenomenally high.



I'd prefer an account / follow-up of the reactions to your exploits on CTs forums: did they buy your story, was it relayed elsewhere, etc., etc.

[Ducky]

Hey, how'd I do?

Time to come clean, I guess. Lisa Simpson {God, I hate that program} has run off to ban me because I had the birthdate wrong.

The good news is that it isn't. Wrong that is.

Ok team it's time for Da Troof! I'm in Sydney and have had the biggest gutsful of CT and I've been telling everyone very bloody loudly that people who believe CT are disproving Darwin every day. Not only that, 3000 people dies at the hands of a few nutcase Saudis, yet the CT ***kers are sh*tting all over their graves!

My old man scouts around and puts his ten cents worth in here and there and he told me that this forum actually has some real CT debunkers on it. Every other ****** forum I've tried to get involved in just ends up being a bloody great catfight and the CT BS artists just post the same BS time, after time, after time, after time,...... you get the point, it looks as though you're fairly used to it in here.

And another thing. Do you know how hard it is to type like a US Army guy, spelling and using US English? Who was the Mr. Smart Arse who got straight onto the times? Christ, mate, give a bloke a break! hey look, I do apologise for pulling your tits like that but I always intended to give you the "troof" pretty quickly. And while we're on the subject, why do all CTers sound like they left school at age 7? probably they all did... Hang me if you must but it looks like you enjoyed crapping all over my elaborately prepared BS. I have actually used those exact details at a CT site or two, so don't be surprised if you see them come up again in the future. I hope you can all forgive me, but I wanted to see with my own eyes whether you blokes knew what you were talking about and you obviously do!!! I was f***ed after the first half dozen replies. Well done. I'll go off and intro myself properly in the intro pages now. C ya round. If you're gonna shoot, let me know so's I can get my graddad's tin hat on first...

[Jack Sparrow]

You need to find yourself a girl, mate.

[/Jack Sparrow]

[Shrinker]

Hehe, okay everyone this drill is over!

Debunkers: excellent work
Grammar and Spelling Enforcers: very good effort
Voices of Reason: smother! good show, could have used some backup though
Sarcastic Swipes from the Sidelines: oh wait, that's me....

[stateofgrace]

Hey, how'd I do?

Time to come clean, I guess. Lisa Simpson {God, I hate that program} has run off to ban me because I had the birthdate wrong.

The good news is that it isn't. Wrong that is.

Ok team it's time for Da Troof! I'm in Sydney and have had the biggest gutsful of CT and I've been telling everyone very bloody loudly that people who believe CT are disproving Darwin every day. Not only that, 3000 people dies at the hands of a few nutcase Saudis, yet the CT ***kers are sh*tting all over their graves!

My old man scouts around and puts his ten cents worth in here and there and he told me that this forum actually has some real CT debunkers on it. Every other ****** forum I've tried to get involved in just ends up being a bloody great catfight and the CT BS artists just post the same BS time, after time, after time, after time,...... you get the point, it looks as though you're fairly used to it in here.

And another thing. Do you know how hard it is to type like a US Army guy, spelling and using US English? Who was the Mr. Smart Arse who got straight onto the times? Christ, mate, give a bloke a break! hey look, I do apologise for pulling your tits like that but I always intended to give you the "troof" pretty quickly. And while we're on the subject, why do all CTers sound like they left school at age 7? probably they all did... Hang me if you must but it looks like you enjoyed crapping all over my elaborately prepared BS. I have actually used those exact details at a CT site or two, so don't be surprised if you see them come up again in the future. I hope you can all forgive me, but I wanted to see with my own eyes whether you blokes knew what you were talking about and you obviously do!!! I was f***ed after the first half dozen replies. Well done. I'll go off and intro myself properly in the intro pages now. C ya round. If you're gonna shoot, let me know so's I can get my graddad's tin hat on first...

You mean it was a ruse? There I was taking it all seriously.

Welcome onboard 5star, interesting way to introduce yourself but hey why not.

[LashL]

I'm not going to.

Me neither.

Yesterday, he had a grandiose story that was rightly questioned and when he could not substantiate it, he subsequently slunk away; today he came back for purposes of making a huffy exit because his story wasn't bought hook, line and sinker; and now he has a completely different story that he's just a 'good ol' boy' who was having a lark, and it's all supposed to be in good fun - yee haw, wah hoo, blah blah.

Sorry, I'm not buying, and I'm not impressed.

[stateofgrace]

You know something 5star having had a think about it and read through some of the other guy’s comments, maybe I will withdraw my welcome.

You see it is all about trust and credibility. There are guys, a lot of guys here I respect and admit for their honesty and passion for his topic.

Having a laugh at this is not that funny. For you to gain any credibility here is going to be very difficult.

Maybe you should just leave and call it a day.

[Obviousman]

I will say that his last posts DO sound Australian.

And I'm in Nowra.

[Brainache]

I used to live in Balmain.
I'm not sure what to think about Mr 5star. I'm not going to give him a hard time for having a joke. I think I'll reserve judgement til I see more from him.

[Big Al]

I find it refreshing for a semi-troll to fess up for once! I followed the Lucianarchy "Ladybrooke" saga before I signed up here, and I ended up wanting to throttle the guy. Well done, 5Star, you sound much more natural and unstrained now.

[sleahead]

I cannot understand why 5star would attempt his ruse here. If he looked through the the threads at all, he would surely know that it was a pointless exercise. It might work at a CT site, but here? - never.

[Gravy]

My old man scouts around and puts his ten cents worth in here and there and he told me that this forum actually has some real CT debunkers on it. Every other ****** forum I've tried to get involved in just ends up being a bloody great catfight and the CT BS artists just post the same BS time, after time, after time, after time,...... you get the point, it looks as though you're fairly used to it in here.
No, I don't get the point at all. What's the point? You don't like CT sites so you thought you'd come here, make up a story, and waste our time?
:confused:

[qarnos]

No, I don't get the point at all. What's the point? You don't like CT sites so you thought you'd come here, make up a story, and waste our time?
:confused:

I don't get it either. It's like a reverse Chavez maneouver or something.

I'm with Brainache on this one. I'll sit back and watch for a while before making up my mind.

[Shrinker]

I say give the guy a break, for now. He yanked our chains for one day, and he was no more or less convincing than some of the 'real' fakes that the CTists fall for. You never know, maybe one of them just learned something.

If you want to cast him out for having a joke about this topic, then I'd better clear out my VBimages, and leave too. And don't bother tuning in to that episode of Southpark that many here are looking forward to.

Welcome 5star, that was moderately amusing, but don't do it again. Hope you can stick around and contribute.

[qarnos]

If you want to cast him out for having a joke about this topic, then I'd better clear out my VBimages, and leave too. And don't bother tuning in to that episode of Southpark that many here are looking forward to.

That's a good point.

My issue, though, isn't so much that he was having a laugh - we have all done that - it's more a trust thing I guess.

If he continues posting as himself and contibutes to the discussion I'm sure we will all forget about it quickly enough.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Maybe I'm just being cranky since it's o'dark-thirty here, but I'm calling shennanigans. Spending a couple of days reading this board would provide any necessary insight into the people and discussions here; thereby eliminating any need to "test the waters" as it were.

Something still smells fishy, and I'm not having bad sushi for breakfast.

[Shrinker]

Maybe I'm just being cranky since it's o'dark-thirty here, but I'm calling shennanigans. Spending a couple of days reading this board would provide any necessary insight into the people and discussions here; thereby eliminating any need to "test the waters" as it were.

Something still smells fishy, and I'm not having bad sushi for breakfast.

Okay, let's see if he asks for the JohnDoe photo... ;)

[The Painter]

I think it’s great. Kudos 5star. He just threw a little bait in the water, and you guys were all over it. Some of you may have been lip hooked. 5 pages of discussion. He gave you something to do for a day.

[Dazed]

More like 5 pages of calling BS on him.

[MRC_Hans]

So this is a CT CT. Zatz cool, I guess. Well, for a newbie about to build credibility, I guess this one is on solid ground ..... = rock bottom.

Have a nice climb :rolleyes:.

Hans

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I think it’s great. Kudos 5star. He just threw a little bait in the water, and you guys were all over it. Some of you may have been lip hooked. 5 pages of discussion. He gave you something to do for a day.

What would you have suggested? Accept it at face value? Ignore it altogether? Other?

[qarnos]

So this is a CT CT.

OMG! 5star is OBL!!!!!111!!1!!11!!!!6!!! :eye-poppi :eek: :jaw-dropp

[David Wong]

I think it’s great. Kudos 5star. He just threw a little bait in the water, and you guys were all over it. Some of you may have been lip hooked.

Going back over it, I can't find a single person who for one sentence suggested that the guy could be for real. The closest anybody came was people asking the board to be nicer and to user fewer insults.

[gnome]

Heck, I don't mind an elaborate ruse if he came clean. If he's still yanking our chain it will become evident soon enough. So, for now, welcome!

[Pythra]

I agree with Flo that it would be interesting to hear how this story was received by CT'ers (assuming you have indeed tried this stunt on them).

If any of them did believe it and were shown this thread, would they admit that they had been misled? Or would your confession only convince them further of the validity of your story, because surely now you are being blackmailed by the government and must pretend you were joking.

[The Painter]

Ignore it altogether?

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

[bob_kark]

So now you admit that you have been spreading misinformation across the internet? That you're creating more of a mess for us to debunk and cheapening the lives of the victims for your own kicks? Well, then I suppose all is forgiven because you now claim to be telling the truth.

Well, not really. You make me sick. We try to do some serious work around here to try and honor the lives lost. Sure, sometimes we may act a little silly to let off some steam. To be perfectly honest, it can be extremely frustrating dealing with people who seem to be allergic to the truth. But, I think you'll find our intentions are honorable.

You sir, have proven that you have no honor. You prefer instead to play a fun little prank while standing on the graves of the victims. I honestly don't care what else you may do on this forum or what help you may provide, your actions over the past few days will echo in my mind through out your stay. I hope it was worth it to you.

[Oliver]

ETA: Wrong threat... DOH! :boggled:

[Gravy]

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.
Well, that wouldn't make for much of a conspiracy theory subforum, would it? :)

[Hutch]

I think I will suspend judgment, it wasn't exactly the most delicate way to introduce oneself to a group, but it did show some intelligence and research (like I noted, many of the details were correct).

I'll see what ol' 5star brings to the Forum in his "real" persona (which will be doubted by many for quite some time--see Bob Kark above) before I make final judgment.

5star, if you are really interested in this Forum, you may want to consider petitioning the Mods to change your Forum name; this one may have a bad stink to it for awhie--but if you try the same stunt with a new name, expect to be dumped off faster than the new "colonists" at Botany Bay...

For the moment, I will take a "Wait and See" stance.

[Lisa Simpson]

Eh...I'm still not convinced he isn't just a straight out troll. Time will tell.

P.S. 5star, you don't get banned for having a wrong birthdate.

[realitybites]

p.p.s I have no doubts that my attitude will cause everyone to shout, "Told you so". So be it. If I post, I am to be called as a cheater, if I do not I shall be called as a liar. I find a no-win situation here, so I shall do as I do in these situations and take the loss without blame.
I feel your pain, sir. I really do. No-win situations suck. Keep that in mind next time you stroll into a forum claiming to have evidence of a massive government cover-up that you refuse to share.

I am sorry that you felt backed into a corner, but you'll have to forgive our lack of trust. Kinda' hard to take someone's word for it when you can't even get the correct age out of them.

[alexg]

Ha . . . . .Ha. I think he needs a stronger apology. He would have played us as long as he could. At least he fessed up but the whole thing doesn't add up somehow.

Props to those wiser board members who had no doubt. I didn't think there was much of a chance but I'd of let him ramble and ended up wasting time. Live and learn.

[Hellbound]

Gee. Color me suprised. Looks like no naked TV debut on the White House lawn for me.

:D

[TK0001]

The part about "I knew I was f***ed after the first dozen replies" made me chuckle.

Well played, if not a bit disrespectful (considering the entire 9/11 CT, I'd give it a 4 on the disrespect-o-meter, but of course I'm grading on a curve). I'll just assume you didn't take into account the severity of playing around with something so sensitive and say welcome. Have fun.








And you might want to retire this schtick.

[Blue Mountain]

5stargeneral, welcome (again) to this forum. I hope you stay, but unfortunately everything you say for the next few dozen posts is going to be treated very skeptically. And you'll be treated very harshly if you display any other troll-like behaviour.

As to what 5SG was trying to prove:

I wanted to see with my own eyes whether you blokes knew what you were talking about and you obviously do!!! I was f***ed after the first half dozen replies.
It seems he was trying to figure out if were we skeptical or if we were just another stupid CT site. He found out pretty quickly we're not gullible.

With regards to 5SG's wasting our time, I do feel sorry for people who invested time looking up various details to start debunking. But Christophera's wasted a heck of a lot more of our time than 5SG did.

As to having another piece of 9/11 CT to debunk, well, it's a pretty big pile as it is. Hopefully even the CTers will figure out it was soneone yanking their chain, although the nuttier ones will believe pretty much anything.

If 5SG stays on and contributes, we should welcome him. If he disappears, at least the debunkers who called him out from the first post can pat themselves on the back. (I really wasn't looking forward to the picture of Huntman sitting naked on the White House lawn!)

Here's the kitten, which I found on www.dailykitten.com:

[T.A.M.]

5SG:

I think the verdict for some here is still out. I too am a little reserved about where you stand, who you are, etc...I say take your suspension like a good fellow, and If you are interested in coming here and debating after, I suggest a name change and we'll see you then.

TAM

[R.Mackey]

Hey, how'd I do?
If that's an honest question, not very well. Your stories were unbelievable and completely unsubstantiated.


I hope you can all forgive me, but I wanted to see with my own eyes whether you blokes knew what you were talking about and you obviously do!!!
Your entire approach is misguided. If you wanted to "see with your own eyes," all you had to do was evaluate our work. Like the extensive publications that Gravy has produced, for instance. There's no need for subterfuge, you anger no one, and nobody is left wondering, "hey, maybe he is a CTer and he's still yanking our chains."

I'd have much preferred a positive contribution -- bring something. Bring some evidence, a new perspective, personal accounts, conversations with Deniers, whatever. Even the Deniers themselves occasionally contribute to the learning process. But if your position is based on falsehood, we get nowhere.

[Overman]

I for one say 'good show mate' (if that is what they say in Aussie...)

I enjoyed Encyclopedia Brown books as a kid, and I enjoyed this thread. I can't see how anyone can call it a waste of time....adding a solid member and earning the respect of another is a much less waste of time than debating endlessly with nutjobs who will never learn...Welcome aboard 5Star!

[Brainster]

I confess that my keyboard skills are a little weak - I have never been required to type a great deal in my career.

How's about I write out "I must not piss off the CT destroyers at JREF" 1000 times. I can type if you like, my typing speed's actually phenomenally high.

Amazing how quickly you picked it up.

[defaultdotxbe]

Amazing how quickly you picked it up.
i think he means the repeat rate on his keybaord is phenomenally high (ctrl+v)

[RenaissanceBiker]

I am a former senior ranking officer in NORAD. I can not give further details at this stage.

I will certainly breech my own standards by talking about this, but five years later, the pain has been too much to ignore and I must. I have the following questions, to which I have not been given satisfactory answers and it is as a result of the pressure to drop the questions which has led me to resign from my commission and a twenty-seven year career in service of my country. The only reason I am prepared to do this is because I am sure that the current adminstation has committed a vastly worse crime than this shall ever be.


Congratulations on your distinguished military career. 27 years is quite a large portion of your life to give in service to your country. This is even more remarkable since your profile says you are 38 years old. I didn't know you could join the military at AGE ELEVEN!

/real veteran

Edit: Dazed beat me to the 11 thing. I didn't read the whole thread, just found that right off. 5star, your subsequent explanation for your deceit seems disingenuous. You are a douche of John Edwards' magnitude.

[Nevermore]

I'm just a newbie on these forums so take this for what it's worth:

- I consider the act of spreading disinformation rather repulsive. Even a reasonably intelligent person can be gullible and if you are engaging in this on other boards you should stop immediately and come clean.

- Alleging fictitious military service is a disgrace to the brave men and women who wear the uniform of any country and place their lives in danger more often than not. If you have not served in the military you have no concept of the sacrifice soldiers make every day so you don't have to.

Most people are just looking for the truth. They evaluate the legitimacy of information based on sources they consider trustworthy. That might be the New York Times, CNN, Slash Dot, Weekly World News or whatever their local bartender says.

Like it or not, the main stream media is slowly being displaced by blogs and websites. Your rouse is somewhat effective because many people perceive the internet as a place where they can cut out the middle-man (reporters, editors, etc) and hear things straight from other individuals. Unfortunately, the scepticism required to separate fact from fiction is lacking in a populace content to sit back and consume the pasturized facts broadcast via TV.

Mamma always said that deceiving people is the act of the debil, so stop it.

[Lisa Simpson]

It seems he was trying to figure out if were we skeptical or if we were just another stupid CT site. He found out pretty quickly we're not gullible.

All he had to do to find out if we were a stupid CT site is to read any thread in the Conspiracy Theory Forum. Any one at all. He would have figured out really fast that we are (mostly) not CTists, we are not gullible and we are not amused by trolls. Instead, he chose to take the troll route.

And T.A.M.? I don't think 5star has been suspended. Killtown was.

[NobbyNobbs]

No, I don't get the point at all. What's the point? You don't like CT sites so you thought you'd come here, make up a story, and waste our time?
:confused:


Far be it from me to disagree with Gravy (your work is brilliant, absolutely brilliant), but I actually found this thread helpful, if only because I now have one more argument to use with CTers.

Anytime a CTer claims to have information, I'll say, "Well, out with it! You could be hit by a bus tomorrow!"

As simple as this argument is, I'd just never thought of it before this thread. So to me, it doesn't matter whether 5star is a CT or for real. I've learned something either way.

[T.A.M.]

All he had to do to find out if we were a stupid CT site is to read any thread in the Conspiracy Theory Forum. Any one at all. He would have figured out really fast that we are (mostly) not CTists, we are not gullible and we are not amused by trolls. Instead, he chose to take the troll route.

And T.A.M.? I don't think 5star has been suspended. Killtown was.

Oh. I was commenting on the comment he made that Lisa SImpson was off to ban him. I actually figured he was wrong, as I thought he would get at suspension instead of a banning, but I can see now he got neither. No problem. Not my decision to make.


Time to come clean, I guess. Lisa Simpson {God, I hate that program} has run off to ban me because I had the birthdate wrong.

TAM

[Architect]

"Well, out with it! You could be hit by a bus tomorrow!"



Especially if the information was as damaging/true as the CTers always think! :D

[qarnos]

ETA: Wrong threat... DOH! :boggled:

I find threats involving castration usually work pretty well. :D

[Redtail]

I have to admit, There have been times that I've wanted to start my own conspiracy theory just to see how far it would go.:boxedin:

[Lisa Simpson]

Oh. I was commenting on the comment he made that Lisa SImpson was off to ban him. I actually figured he was wrong, as I thought he would get at suspension instead of a banning, but I can see now he got neither. No problem. Not my decision to make.



TAM

No, we stopped insisting on a correct DOB some time ago. As long as you are over 13, for the COPPA laws.

[Blue Mountain]

All he had to do to find out if we were a stupid CT site is to read any thread in the Conspiracy Theory Forum. Any one at all. He would have figured out really fast that we are (mostly) not CTists, we are not gullible and we are not amused by trolls. Instead, he chose to take the troll route.
That's true -- any thread in the conspiracy section would have been enough to show we're not gullible.

I think he was also trying to see how we would handle the story that he (apparently) posted on some CT sites, and which they lapped up without a second look.

But he could have done it a better way, like post it on a CT forum as '5stargeneral', then come here as someone else and point to the CT forum. (That's almost a "sock puppet by proxy" :)) For sure he wouldn't get as rocky a reception here, except if it came out he was acting as a debunker here and as a CT on another forum.