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justsaygnosis
15th June 2003, 05:12 PM
Rather than continue to hijack Darwin's thread whether spirituality is possible without religion let's turn the tables.
Checkmite
15th June 2003, 05:24 PM
Now that you mention it...Deism perhaps?
justsaygnosis
15th June 2003, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Joshua Korosi
Deism perhaps?

I did miss that. Thanks for posting it.
thaiboxerken
15th June 2003, 06:22 PM
Isn't Secular Humanism a religion?
Jet Grind
15th June 2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by thaiboxerken
Isn't Secular Humanism a religion?

It all depends on how you define religion, here are the Webster's definitions.

1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Going by these I don't think that you can classify Secular Humanism as a religion.
justsaygnosis
15th June 2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by thaiboxerken
Isn't Secular Humanism a religion?

I honestly had no answer so I looked it up.
I got this,

http://www.secularhumanism.org/intro/what.html

"Critics often try to classify secular humanism as a religion. Yet secular humanism lacks essential characteristics of a religion, including belief in a deity and an accompanying transcendent order. Secular humanists contend that issues concerning ethics, appropriate social and legal conduct, and the methodologies of science are philosophical and are not part of the domain of religion, which deals with the supernatural, mystical and transcendent. "

I figured it would be better to let the SH's speak for themselves rather than take a guess.
15th June 2003, 08:29 PM
Just read the SH Bib.... er.. "Manifesto".

-Who
Frank Newgent
15th June 2003, 08:32 PM
Can there be religion without spirituality, mysticism and superstition?
Close (http://www.hackvan.com/pub/stig/scripture/bokonon/bernd-wechners-bokonon-stuff/dictionary.html)
Yahzi
16th June 2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by thaiboxerken
Isn't Secular Humanism a religion?
I'm pretty sure Thai was joking.

You were joking, right. Thai?
justsaygnosis
16th June 2003, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Yahzi

I'm pretty sure Thai was joking.

You were joking, right. Thai?

At a guess I'd say he was troll baiting. Oddly enough there were no takers.
Jedi and Franko would have snapped at that like sharks at a shipwreck.
LCBOY
16th June 2003, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Jet Grind


It all depends on how you define religion, here are the Webster's definitions.

1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Going by these I don't think that you can classify Secular Humanism as a religion.

Doesn't secular humanism fit under no. 4?
Beleth
16th June 2003, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by LCBOY
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Doesn't secular humanism fit under no. 4? Well, yeah, but so do science and skepticism.