South Park to cover 9/11 deniers!

[Dog Town]

blood cleaned up

That's one of the best parts!

[SRW]

I have been on Vacation in Ct no INTERNET just watching the leaves turn, for the past two weeks, I just happened to catch the end of the South park episode, and had to wait up for it to come around again at 1:00am. What a great way to end a vacation. Even my 14 year old got it and how silly the CT guys are. Reeealy.

[SRW]

Possible, but I doubt his intellect runs that deep. More likely, he's just really, truly, stupid.

hum-mm that's a toughie. OK I go with really truly stupid.

[†= Crap!]

I guess I'll chime in with a little voice of dissent here. I was a little disappointed in the Ep.

The great thing about the Scientology, Mormon, and John Edward episodes is that they did a really good job of illuminating the targets as utterly ridiculous for the people who might be on the fence or possibly susceptible to that kind of nonsense in the future. But I think this episode has failed in this regard.

I think this episode only succeeded in preaching to the choir. We got it, but the message wasn't strong enough. Evidenced by the fact that many of the denser truthers actually thought the episode was a good thing! Do you think any Scientologists, Mormons, or John Edward thought that after their episodes?

But what is really important is what's the effect of the episode on the middle ground, that was so effectively targeted when dealing with the previous subjects, that hasn't taken side in the CT debate? Maybe some will 'get it', many will be apathetic to it, and unfortunately many will now hop over to 911truth.org out of curiosity and get sucked into CT nonsense.

The great thing about the Edward episode isn't just that they called him a douche, but that they actually lay out why he is a douche. In this episode they did a good job calling truthers retards, but I don't think they provided a very good case as to why they are retards.

[Dog Town]

The great thing about the Scientology, Mormon, and John Edward episodes is that they did a really good job of illuminating the targets as utterly ridiculous for the people who might be on the fence or possibly susceptible to that kind of nonsense in the future. But I think this episode has failed in this regard.


That's because outside of us, and the retards. No one has ever heard of this crap. Most SP fans still don't get half the jokes. 22 minutes ain't long. It wasn't meant to push anyone one way, or the other. It was humor! Light'en up Fracis!

[†= Crap!]

That's because outside of us, and the retards. No one has ever heard of this crap. Most SP fans still don't get half the jokes. 22 minutes ain't long. It wasn't meant to push anyone one way, or the other. It was humor! Light'en up Fracis!

No, I think there is a little more to SP than just humor. It's Matt & Trey's soapbox. If it was really just about humor, then why make episodes about obscure topics that the majority the audience doesn't have any interest in/doesn't get? I think it's obvious they are attempting to make a point with these topical episodes.

Don't get me wrong. I thought the episode was hilarious. But if the point behind making an episode about 911 CT was inline with the point behind making the episodes about Scientology and John Edward, I think this episode failed were the other ones succeeded.

[Dog Town]

I think it's obvious they are attempting to make a point with these topical episodes

Kinda low on the radar, to be all that topical, except to the above stated. They have poked fun at plenty of topics! Equating it to Scientology, or the other religious slaps, initself is humor! CT's are not even in the same ball park of cultural significance! You are being a critic of the absurd! IMO!

[†= Crap!]

You are being a critic of the absurd! IMO!

OK, look at it this way. I don't think the intent behind these kinds of SP episodes is really that much different from that of a Penn & Teller Bulls *Hit* episode. They're both pretty entertaining, but they are also the avenue for their creators to get their ideas out there in the marketplace to combat some form of popular stupidity.

I think my critique of this SP ep is pretty much of the nature of what my critique would be of a P&T BS episode that failed to adequately handle a subject.

That's all.

[Dog Town]

OK, look at it this way. I don't think the intent behind these kinds of SP episodes is really that much different from that of a Penn & Teller Bulls *Hit* episode. They're both pretty entertaining, but they are also the avenue for their creators to get their ideas out there in the marketplace to combat some form of popular stupidity.

I think my critique of this SP ep is pretty much of the nature as what my critique would be of a P&T BS episode that failed to adequately handle a subject.

That's all.

Dude...don't know ya from Adam, but I will reiterate my point! They did not have years , or care to I hope, for researching the BS. They nailed some high's, missed a few lows! It was ***** hysterical! "Reeally", if you did not get your mo-neee's worth from that alone, you should... "say goodnite Gracie!

[Brainache]

I would also like to add that anyone going to 911truth after watching SP is going in after seeing Bush outline the evil conspiracy and Rumsfeld saying "He died like a pig..."

I don't think you need to worry that they will side with the Troothers. If they do, then they would have gone that way anyway.

[Trifikas]

Cute wise guy, we'll be seeing you in the FEMA camps soon.

Sounds great! Just so you'll recognize us, we'll be the ones OUTSIDE the gates...

Trifikas.

[Calcas]

(7:02 into the second youtube video above, Bush kills CT guy)

Stan: Jesus Christ!

Rumsfeld: Ha. Ha. Ha. He died like a pig.

Bush: Some pigs never learn.

Kyle: No. Way.

Stan: He was right. You did cause 9/11.

Bush: Yes. Quite simple to pull off really. All I had to do was have explosives planted in the base of the towers. Then on 9/11 we pretended like four planes were being high-jacked when really we just rerouted them to Pennsylvania then flew two military jets into the World Trade Center filled with more explosives and shot down all the witnesses in Flight 93 with an F-15 after blowing up the Pentagon with a cruise missile. It was only the world's most intricate and flawlessly executed plan ever ... ever.

(Pause)

Kyle: Really?
Ok, believe it or not I had never seen an entire SP episode before. The bits and pieces I had seen were too crude for my taste. It's bad enough my teens are hooked on Family Guy but I'm glad they don't watch SP.

That being said, I feel asleep last night while watching the special on Richard Pryor. When I woke up, SP was just starting and it was the 911 episode.

Hysterical. I'm glad someone else posted the Bush speech because it's perfect.

Really????

LOL

[60hzxtl]

Don't get me wrong. I thought the episode was hilarious. But if the point behind making an episode about 911 CT was inline with the point behind making the episodes about Scientology and John Edward, I think this episode failed were the other ones succeeded.

Don't worry, maybe South Park is taking a lesson from do -over- Dylan - and will produce multiple editions!

For the time being the idiots at LC think it was complementary. I think we should keep it a secret from them!

[Josh Redstone]

Don't worry, maybe South Park is taking a lesson from do -over- Dylan - and will produce multiple editions!


Yes! Mystery of the Urinal Deuce 2nd edition, recut! :D

[RandFan]

Sorry I've been AWOL folks. I can only take so much of the CT BS.

In any event, I saw the episode today (My wife taped it). Damn, I loved it. "Reealy?" :D

[chipmunk stew]

Sounds great! Just so you'll recognize us, we'll be the ones OUTSIDE the gates...
...poking you with a stick.

[Kiwiwriter]

The episode was hilarious on so many levels...the biggest of which to me being the idea that the Bush admnistration, which leads the league in incompetence and ineptitude, created the entire 9/11 conspiracy theory for that most important of purposes...to cover up that same ineptitude.

It made a lot better sense than the conspiracy theories...because the conspiracy theories posit that the Bush administration and its various shadowy satraps could orchestrate this absolutely perfect attack on America, dispose of thousands of innocent airline passengers, blow up our biggest buildings...and leave no traces (or barely a few traces) behind. Such a plan would require the connivance of the entire Federal government, plus several states, several cities, and a large number of other governmental agencies, foreign nations, and private companies. Every one of these organizations had to be on the same page to accomplish this conspiracy, and not let anything leak out, especially to the innocent lives and families they were going to sunder.

Riiiiiiiiight. This could be accomplished by Bush and his idiotic cronies.

More believable and hilarious is the idea that they'd have to find neat ways to cover up their ineptitude and creating fake conspiracy theories does just that...if you listen to the CT and Loose Change nutters, the scenario I described above is their material. And that scenario only becomes more absurd when you think about it.

So suggesting that the conspiracy theories are themselves a government conspiracy makes them more hilarious.

They also open up the CT nutters to the wacky world of paranoia...now they can all accuse each other of being government plants and agents provacateurs and so on...which only heightens their idiotic sense of self-importance and makes them look even more foolish...as if the US government had the time or interest to think about JohnDoeX and Dylan Avery and these other nutters.

The fact that these guys go on and on on their websites shows how little the government cares about them and their nonsense.

The other thing I liked was the send-up of the Hardy Boys...it made the LC nutters look like the same kind of idiotic villains the Hardy Boys pursued in those books, which I read as a child, and got quickly annoyed by. Every book was the same...the Boys were off to help Dad with a case, along with their fat friend Chet Morton, and early in the book, the villain would try to scare them off. After a few brushes with captivity and these villains, they would solve the mystery and expose the villains' true identity, and they would confess to Fenton Hardy and the cops. All accomplished without guns, sex, or particularly good writing.

Reading the books, I would gasp at the dialogue (people don't talk that way) and wonder how the Hardy Boys could be so perfect and virtuous, and Chet Morton so incompetent and stupid. He made Nigel Bruce's Watson look like a genius.

I also suspected that the reason the Hardy Boys never had a brotherly fight over a woman was that they were gay, and the "raging clues" of the episode hinted at that. SP was suggesting that the CT nutters were so idiotic, they were just stock villains from a Hardy Boys book.

Incidentally, those novels were written and published in Newark, by the Stratemeyer "Fiction Factory," and the woman who impersonated Franklin Dixon (and the authors of the Bobbsey Twins and Nancy Drew) was a Newark native who is buried in Fairmount Cemetery here.

I still have one book in the series...the hilarious "Hardy Boys Detective Manual," co-written by that woman and the then-Newark Police Chief, Dominick Spina. It includes a complete glossary of underworld slang...from 1959. Not much help to a modern investigator, I'm afraid. What's really funny about that book is that the Hardy Boys never used any of the techniques described to solve a case.

[kookbreaker]

Oh boy! I wonder if the next Hardy boys villain will be smugglers! :D

[SRW]

Oh boy! I wonder if the next Hardy boys villain will be smugglers! :D

I wonder if the Hardy boys get clue's at Village People concerts. If they get stumped than I bet the go to a disco to get back on track.

[Orphia Nay]

I didn't know whether to start a new thread or not, but for the sake of posterity, I thought I'd post Matt & Trey's comments about their 9/11 conspiracy show after this thread about it.

Matt Stone and Trey Parker were on Penn Jillette's radio show this week, February 27th.*

The topic of 9/11 conspiracy theories came up.

Speaking to 9/11 Truthers, Matt said about the South Park show:
"We totally ripped on you".

Matt said they depicted a character in a 911Truth.org t-shirt because:
"We want people to go see how goofy and dumb these guys are."


Also, they agreed with Penn when he said sarcastically (on the topic of Oliver Stone's JFK movie): "How hard is it to stop one pothead from making a movie?"

More amusing comments I noted (somewhat paraphrased) that they all laughed a lot about:

Matt: It's like they think "9/11 wasn't interesting enough"...

Michael Goudeau: Yes, "In good drama, halfway through the story goes, 'It's not that guy, it's that guy."

Trey: "People who make American flags had the most to gain...

Penn: Yes, "Follow the money!"


So for all the retards:

You were wrong, you retards!!!
http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/sp/kyleico.gif


* You can download the show at penn radio (http://penn.freefm.com/) or do a search for same at iTunes.

[Disinfo Agent]

From the Loose Change Blog 10/13:

I know, it's been kind of quiet here lately. Been finishing up 9/10 and working on the script for the Final Cut.

Btw, in the slight off chance that Trey Parker and Matt Stone read this website, congratulations guys. Some saw that as a hit piece. I saw it as a subtle and careful way of delivering the facts without taking either side.

The episode was incredible, and I'd like to thank you. I don't need to go into detail as to why I think the show was on our side, I'll just say that, based on interviews with you two, Eric Cartman often serves as your personal mouthpiece. And every time a character brought up evidence, it was either silence or "Are you retarded?"

One even brought up the explosions at the base of the towers. This wasn't a poorly-researched hit piece. This was a calculated and brilliant way of flying under the radar.

But hey, that's just my two cents. Interpret it as you may.:covereyes

[Orphia Nay]

Bwahahahaha!!

Good find, Disinfo Agent!

[T.A.M.]

The same mindset that makes him, and them truthers, is that which makes them think that SP was "on their side". Sad really.

TAM:)

[Redtail]

From the Loose Change Blog 10/13:

:covereyes

Thanksfor that post! After reading that my head caught on fire so I'm gonna jump on my bike and play Ghost Rider now.

[Larry Lovage]

I managed to watch this for the first time only just the other week. I did think it was hysterically funny, although as in the World of Warcraft one, kinda for those of us on either side obsessed and informed about the conspiracy theories.

I didn't like the joke about "Dude, we're not going to kill you" and then the resurrected 911truth guy gets killed... but not by the government but by Mr Hardly. And I didn't like Bush saying "Well, we do tell the truth most of the time", which just because it's true of 9/11 (since the truth is not "the government did it") is not often true of any of their actual policies and deeds. But I did love the line about "Who did do 9/11?" "Uh, a bunch of pissed off muslims. Are you retarded?"

[The Silver Shadow]

I don't watch TV anymore, so I caught this episode online. It was a fine episode and a hysterical one at that!

[TOHMS]

Ok, believe it or not I had never seen an entire SP episode before. The bits and pieces I had seen were too crude for my taste. It's bad enough my teens are hooked on Family Guy but I'm glad they don't watch SP.

That being said, I feel asleep last night while watching the special on Richard Pryor. When I woke up, SP was just starting and it was the 911 episode.

Hysterical. I'm glad someone else posted the Bush speech because it's perfect.

Really????

LOL


I understand that you may find the show crude, it really is, but honestly, it is a very smart show. If you look past the crude humour it usually has a strong underlying message, pointing out the absurdities of current events.

Family Guy can't hold South Park's jock.