A challenge to all atheists...

[logic]

A so-called Catholic Apologist had issued a challenge to all atheists at
kingdomofchrist.net. I accepted that challenge and for around the past year have critiqued his views. I have posted the entire dialogue at infidelguy.com (under their library section and then debates). As with many of the catholic choirboys I have debated, I have to say I find their arguments for theism (and catholicism in particular) to be rather, for a lack of a better word, stupid and illogical. He attempts to show some logical consistency but engages in logical fallacies in the meantime.

Out of all the people I debate with, I would have to say catholics are the worse by far (as far as reasoning goes).

My question is, do you find this to be true in your experience? For former catholics, what made you realize the foolishness of this religion?

[Freethinker]

Search through Kurious_Kathy's posts here. They will leave your head spinning.

[Marquis de Carabas]

If you think Catholics are loony, you should try a Logical Deist.

[Phil]

Who is loonier, the man who tries to argue religion with logic or the man who debates him?

[Foster Zygote]

Who is loonier, the man who tries to argue religion with logic or the man who debates him?

The former.

Steven

[Phil]

The former.

Steven
Or perhaps the man who does not recognize a rhetorical question?

[CapelDodger]

Out of all the people I debate with, I would have to say catholics are the worse by far (as far as reasoning goes).

My question is, do you find this to be true in your experience?
In my experience, Trotskyists are the worst. Libertarians are up there. I've never had much to do with passionate Catholics, more with the comfortable ones - and it is a comfortable religion. Casting back, I don't think one Catholic has ever tried to convert me.

I've played stunt-logic with folk who have a Jesuitical background, but we were all just funning around. The schools I attended were designed to produce lawyers and politicians so it's a pretty level playing-field. :)

[logic]

I'm also puzzled by the universalist. If they believe everyone is going to heaven, why debate anybody? They should just let everyone be.

[Foster Zygote]

Or perhaps the man who does not recognize a rhetorical question?

Oops! Sorry, I didn't realize you were talking to yourself. You're right, of course, "logical" arguments about religion should go unchallenged.

Steven

[Doubt]

If you think Catholics are loony, you should try a Logical Deist.

There can be only one......Logical Deist. And his sock.

[Kopji]

How could anyone spend a year doing this?

[Beerina]

In my experience...Libertarians are up there.

Yes, rabidly challenging "the vote" as validator of tyrrany is...way out there.

[Complexity]

How much of your life are you prepared to waste debating the religous and other woos?

Don't give them the power to draw you into their games.

Life is far too short - don't waste it on them.

[logic]

I figure some people collect hotwheels, some drink, and some download porn; I debate religious fanatics.

[Ladewig]

Out of all the people I debate with, I would have to say catholics are the worse by far (as far as reasoning goes).



Worse than the fundies who say, "God said it. I believe it. End of story."?

[The Atheist]

Worse than the fundies who say, "God said it. I believe it. End of story."?Dont they say, "God said it, therefore it's true."

I don't think I've ever heard a fundie use the term, "I believe". It's always, "I know". "Jesus told me"....

[clarsct]

Said to whom?

:D

[Ashles]

Or perhaps the man who does not recognize a rhetorical question?
Nope, still the first one.

[Foster Zygote]

I figure some people collect hotwheels, some drink, and some download porn; I debate religious fanatics.

Well I applaud you. Even if you don't have a chance in Hell of changing the mind of the person whom you're debating you may influence others who read your posts. When I was a creationist Christian over twenty years ago it was the sound logical arguments of certain people that led me to question the blind faith I was taught. Even if one lurker is made curious enough to look into the matter more deeply and realizes that evolutionary theory is not what he/she has been told it is by his/her religious leader then it will all have been worth it. When we decide that it just isn't worth the effort anymore the woos will win.

Steven

[The Atheist]

Well I applaud you. Even if you don't have a chance in Hell of changing the mind of the person whom you're debating you may influence others who read your posts. When I was a creationist Christian over twenty years ago it was the sound logical arguments of certain people that led me to question the blind faith I was taught. Even if one lurker is made curious enough to look into the matter more deeply and realizes that evolutionary theory is not what he/she has been told it is by his/her religious leader then it will all have been worth it. When we decide that it just isn't worth the effort anymore the woos will win.

Steven<<standing ovation>>

[RenaissanceBiker]

Worse than the fundies who say, "God said it. I believe it. End of story."?

I reply, "That's the end of your story. Mine is longer and much more interesting."

[Ladewig]

Dont they say, "God said it, therefore it's true."

I don't think I've ever heard a fundie use the term, "I believe". It's always, "I know". "Jesus told me"....

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I missed it by only a little bit:
"God said it. I believe it. That settles it."

I've also seen it on those little message boards in front of churches.