Breaking news, small plane hit NY building

[Bell]

Now on CNN :(

ETA: posted here because of obvious reasons. If a mod wants to move this to current events, feelk free.

ETA: sorry for the horrible spelling

[Dog Town]

Damn your fast!

[Dog Town]

Saying copter now.

[Pardalis]

It must be on the tv channel, it's not yet on their website.

[Arus808]

its on their website; its through their Pipeline application (not free)

[Hellbound]

It must be on the tv channel, it's not yet on their website.

It's on their "Pipline" offering, which you can sign up for a free trial, but not the regular website yet.

[Dog Town]

East river, my bet is Heli! Yep that's what they are saying on the tube.

[Bell]

It must be on the tv channel, it's not yet on their website.

Yes, tv. I allways have CNN turned on in the background.

They are now showing huge fires from 4 windows.

[Alareth]

Just wait, they will start yelling about how the building didn't collapse.

[firecoins]

This is breaking news. A new plane has crashed into another building into Manhattan. More to come!

Sorry someone else posted it first

Firecoin, I moved your post into the existing thread.

[Dog Town]

Yea, that was my first thought, AL.

[Bell]

Just wait, they will start yelling about how the building didn't collapse.

I wanted to make a sarcastic post about exactly that. I can just imagine how the nutters are gonna pick this one apart :mad:

[firecoins]

quick load the buildiign up with explosives

[Redtail]

Crap it's an Apt Building.:(

[firecoins]

I am listening to NYPD scanner right now. No conspiracy in progress.

[Redtail]

Just wait, they will start yelling about how the building didn't collapse.

Unless it does, then they'll claim that it was a CD because they were getting too close.

[Dog Town]

My guess, heart attack of pilot. This looks like hell! That fire was big quick!

[Alareth]

Jeebus, the news casters are talking about the danger of collapse...

*sigh*

[Bell]

I am listening to NYPD scanner right now. No conspiracy in progress.

You're listening to the 'wrong' scanner.

[Gravy]

Please calm down and let the story develop, folks, and remember that people died.

[firecoins]

I have FDNY in my scanner too. Should I listen to them for a conspiracy?

[Dog Town]

That fire got big fast. How are they gonna fight this?

[boloboffin]

Small general aviation airplane, from FAA (?). Multi engine. No tracking from NORAD, no knowledge, no scrambling.

Jet fuel has sparked a fire on the ground as well. No idea where the actual plane is.

[Pardalis]

How big of a plane?

[slingblade]

You're listening to the 'wrong' scanner.

There are only two brands: the SheeplScan 2001, or the Troothspiracy 911.3 (final cut). :cool:

[Zygar]

Didn't they realize they are an entire month late!

[TobiasTheViking]

whatever this turns out to be... it sucks... :(

[Redtail]

I hope nobody was home in those Apartments that got hit.

[Bell]

Please calm down and let the story develop, folks, and remember that people died.

Gotcha, Gravy. You're right. :(

[Bell]

How big of a plane?

NYPD says small multi engine plane.

[firecoins]

That fire got big fast. How are they gonna fight this?
They are closing the SOuthbound FDR. for emergency vehicles but they aren't sure

[TK0001]

Good Lord, not again.

The wound's too fresh for this.

[Pardalis]

Poor New Yorkers, this must bring back some really bad memories.

[slingblade]

There will almost certainly be some casualties, but maybe most people weren't home this time of day.

Sorry for the sarcasm. It's just that I know this will be used to further some lie or other, and sarcasm's a quick way to vent that frustration. I'm already getting angry, and nothing's been said....yet.

[Dog Town]

Pandemonium was the descrip on the street. This is horrible.

[Redtail]

Looks like the Firemen are doing a good job.

[c4ts]

I saw molten steel!

[Anti-sophist]

My guess, they are going to blame this on Karl Rove and his October surprise....

[TK0001]

I saw molten steel!

Not funny.

Time and a place, man.

[Pardalis]

Looks like the Firemen are doing a good job.

Aren't they always? ;) :)

[Kent1]

Not funny.

Time and a place, man.
ABC news has a picture
http://abcnews.go.com/

[Dog Town]

Not funny.

Time and a place, man.

A'men!

[Alareth]

Just wait, they will start yelling about how the building didn't collapse.

Didn't take long. (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16493&view=getnewpost)

[Dog Town]

Didn't take long. (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16493&view=getnewpost)


Scew them for now.

[Anti-sophist]

My guess, they are going to blame this on Karl Rove and his October surprise....

I win.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2556839&mesg_id=2556841

[defaultdotxbe]

http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/11/markets/markets_0300/index.htm

stocks fell already

[Bell]

Scew them for now.

We need Oliver over there :mad:

[Lisa Simpson]

What utter a******s. How can they be so completely lacking in empathy?

[Dog Town]

FAA says fixed wing!

[Redtail]

Aren't they always? ;) :)

True.:)

[Kent1]

This one now says helicopter
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=nation_world&id=4649971

Helicopter Crashes into Manhattan High-Rise
A helicopter crashed into a high-rise on Manhattan's Upper East Side, police said Wednesday. There was no immediate word on any deaths or injuries.

[Dog Town]

EMS and NYFD rock!

[Bell]

What utter a******s. How can they be so completely lacking in empathy?

They only care about them selfs. Bastards.

[Dog Town]

I wit says, plane doing dips leveled out and went right into building.WTF?

[firecoins]

My scanner is squaking alot. The NYPD has designated this a level3 emergency. No idea what that means. Staging point at 73rd and 1st ave. Southbound FDR is closed. T

[Mercutio]

Poor New Yorkers, this must bring back some really bad memories.

That was my first thought. I am sad that there are already casualties, but it will assuredly be much much smaller than 9/11. But it will have major aftershocks within NYers who were traumatized 5 years ago. Hell, I felt my heart leap to my throat just reading the thread title, and I had no real losses to speak of back then.

[slingblade]

Didn't take long. (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16493&view=getnewpost)

I hate that.

[alexg]

3:26 est FAA, according to CNN, confirms fixed wing, not helicopter. First heard small plane, then helicopter, back to small plane. Conspiracy?

[Gravy]

The FDNY is hitting some of the apartments with water. The elevators must have been working. They got up there fast.

[Muckar-duva]

This is eerie even to me.

[Alareth]

Conspiracy?

Confusion.

[Pardalis]

3:26 est CNN confirms fixed wing, not helicopter. First heard small plane, then helicopter, back to small plane. Conspiracy?

This only shows how conflicting the first reports of an incident can be. This is what CTists crave upon, this is their bread and butter.

[TK0001]

How would you (in general) react if another one were to hit?

Could you imagine?

[delphi_ote]

What utter a******s. How can they be so completely lacking in empathy?
The joking here started not 20 posts in. Are we much better?

[Bell]

CNN: NORAD to sent jets in air over major cities. Precaution.

[alexg]

This only shows how conflicting the first reports of an incident can be. This is what CTists crave upon, this is their bread and butter.

Exactly, that was my point actually. It just goes to show how conflicting first reports are.

3:32 est CNN says NORAD puts fighter aircraft in air over several cities! Precaution.

[slingblade]

A woman on MSNBC video, an eyewitness, is swearing it was a helicopter, and she also, unfortunately, described it by saying "it was like a rocket!"

Ripe for abuse.

[Gravy]

Fire is out.

[Overman]

:(

[Gravy]

A woman on MSNBC video, an eyewitness, is swearing it was a helicopter, and she also, unfortunately, described it by saying "it was like a rocket!"

Ripe for abuse.
Yes, but she then said that she only saw wreckage falling in flames after impact. She was assuming it was a helicopter. She was very rattled and not terribly coherent.

[Dog Town]

Fire is out.

Kick A**!

[Pardalis]

A woman on MSNBC video, an eyewitness, is swearing it was a helicopter, and she also, unfortunately, described it by saying "it was like a rocket!"

Ripe for abuse.

Eye witnesses should always remember to restrain themselves from making analogies when describing what they saw...

[firecoins]

well it could be a helicopter or plane but no one knows for sure! Must be Bush!:rolleyes:

My scanner seems to show NYPD in a low level state of confusion but calming down and getting things done! As expected when responding to an incident of this magnitude. No conspiracies though.

[60hzxtl]

Fire is out.

And since this is a masonry building, where the outside supports the building, there is no similarity to WTC.

Accidents happened before 9/11. Accidents.

Coincidences happened before 9/11.

But don't tell the science failures at Loose Change.

But as one ground zero genius tells me that the fires are WTC were, "not that hot."

Since there is no video of this it could be a missile! Or a flaming ball from a catapult. Or maybe it was spontaneous combustion.

[slingblade]

Eye witnesses should always remember to restrain themselves from making analogies when describing what they saw...

I'm not blaming her for how she described it. I'm just saying it's unfortunate that some will take her panicked description as "expert testimony."

Even the newscaster on NBC said "explosion." Understandable, but still fodder for them. They're already talking about "forced air streams, looks really odd. It's deliberate. It's the October Surprise: just enough to scare everyone right before election time...."

Cripes.

[firecoins]

A woman on MSNBC video, an eyewitness, is swearing it was a helicopter, and she also, unfortunately, described it by saying "it was like a rocket!"

Ripe for abuse.
The Coast Guard is station in the East River due to the UN. They must have fired a rocket on Bush's order. :rolleyes:
Maybe the UN was a target and they missed!

[TK0001]

One thing's for certain:

Gas prices will go up.

[Overman]

One time I was first at the scene of a plant fire (outside the grounds) and when the news van pulled up they interviewed me. They wanted me to lie so badly, kept asking me things like 'so you are sure you didn't see it actually explode...' and suggestive questions. A bigger bang = a bigger story...

S***heads. I am so glad I don't watch TV.

[firecoins]

One thing's for certain:

Gas prices will go up.
not to till after Nov. 2nd Bush probably planned this to get the country off of the Foley issue...yeah right!

[Pardalis]

Didn't they realize they are an entire month late!

Yeah, we are october 11th, this also comes to show how it's easy to find coincidences.

[TK0001]

2 bodies found. One on the ground and one in the wreckage. :(

[Hellbound]

Nevermind

[delphi_ote]

2 bodies found. One on the ground and one in the wreckage. :(
Let's just hope that's all. I'm so glad it happened at a time when there probably weren't many people in their apartments.

[einsteen]

I wanted to make a sarcastic post about exactly that. I can just imagine how the nutters are gonna pick this one apart :mad:
Aha I assume if it does you are amazed this time ?

[LibraryLady]

I have a friend who lives exactly 4 blocks away from this. I just turned on the TV. I called her and got her machine. She walks all around her neighborhood. I'm really scared.

[Garrette]

I have a friend who lives exactly 4 blocks away from this. I just turned on the TV. I called her and got her machine. She walks all around her neighborhood. I'm really scared.Too soon for assumptions, LL.

People leave their apartments all the time. Call her in a few more hours.

[einsteen]

I got also CNN here, it's scary, people have the same 9/11 feeling

[Pardalis]

I have a friend who lives exactly 4 blocks away from this. I just turned on the TV. I called her and got her machine. She walks all around her neighborhood. I'm really scared.

The chances that she got hurt by debris are infinitesimal, I wouldn't worry about it.

BTW, love that avatar. :D

[Bell]

Aha I assume if it does you are amazed this time ?

Not amazed no. It's just sad to know it will happen. Sad on the deniers behalf.

[firecoins]

The whole area is sealed off. If your friend isn't home its probably because its cloded off.

[firecoins]

FDR has been reopened with the exception of 71st entrance on to the Southbound side.

[Muckar-duva]

Keep calm. It seems as if the response is tight, quick, and efficient. NORAD's up and going in case.

And have a few European hugs.

[Zygar]

This is unfortunate. It's never good for there to be loss of life or property.

But come on! Anyone remember this (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/05/tampa.crash/index.html). I hardly remember it, and I definitely don't remember it causing much of a stir. Simply because it wasn't in NYC.

[Alareth]

This is the sort of crap that pisses me off about the Conspiranoids™ (bolding mine)



So what have we got here then? An airplane strikes a high rise building in New York City, there was a resulting fire -- and -- the building didn't fall down.

Great. Sad thing it happened for those killed. But another notch of proof rendered to show the official story even that much more of a joke. Airplane, fire, high rise, building stands.



to all the naysayers.
don't get the picture?
the plane took a turn into the building.
was flying erratically down the east river.
crash takes attention away from all the scandals just before the election.
white house looks heroic, scrambling fighter jets, etc.
ie; republicans will protect you from the terrorists.
notice the mention of 9/11 continually.
vote republican or this could be the real thing in other words.
they didn't have to pull another huge job like 9/11.
just enough to keep the populace afraid..........................

[defaultdotxbe]

The joking here started not 20 posts in. Are we much better?
20 posts in, yes, but all of the first 20 posts? no

jokes arent even that bad IMO, helps people cope, all the loosers are talking about is how this helps them, they dont see it as a tragedy, they see it as a bolstering of their position

[slingblade]

Reporting 4 dead, now. :(

[Hutch]

On CNN site right now:

The Federal Aviation Administration described the plane as a "general aviation" fixed-wing aircraft flying under visual flight rules, meaning a pilot was flying by visual landmarks.

The plane hit the Belaire Condominiums, built in 1989 at 524 E. 72nd Street near the East River. More than 150 firefighters are on scene of a four-alarm fire in the building.

[firecoins]

But the media isn't based in Tampa, they are in NYC. They need to saturate us with news 24 hours a day.

[slingblade]

20 posts in, yes, but all of the first 20 posts? no

jokes arent even that bad IMO, helps people cope, all the loosers are talking about is how this helps them, they dont see it as a tragedy, they see it as a bolstering of their position

The humor was inappropriate, but I think it was against the CTers, not the incident or the victims. I thought I was being somewhat too cynical, already thinking about how they'd spin it, and then I go over there and get really pissed, seeing how they actually are spinning it.

No, I don't think anyone here descended to their level by laughing at or being sarcastic about them.

[firecoins]

The jokes are about the evil CT people. Not those in NYC.

[qarnos]

I just got to work so this is the first I heard of it (it was too late to make the morning papers here, and I don't watch the morning news).

This is pretty sad... let's just hope it was an accident, although that will be of little consolation to the families and friends of the victims.

It was interesting to read the conflicting reports over fixed-wing / helicopter. Hopefully the troofers will learn something, at least.

[Pardalis]

Hopefully the troofers will learn something, at least.

You think? :rolleyes:

[Muckar-duva]

qarnos, don't be so sure.

And, collapsewise, has it even been 102 minutes yet?

[defaultdotxbe]

It was interesting to read the conflicting reports over fixed-wing / helicopter. Hopefully the troofers will learn something, at least.
i beleive their train of though will be

fixed-wing -> helicopter -> "black" helicopter -> conspiracy

[Bell]

I just got to work so this is the first I heard of it (it was too late to make the morning papers here, and I don't watch the morning news).

This is pretty sad... let's just hope it was an accident, although that will be of little consolation to the families and friends of the victims.

It was interesting to read the conflicting reports over fixed-wing / helicopter. Hopefully the troofers will learn something, at least.

They have no desire to learn anything. Christophera, Killtown, 'TruthSeeker'1234, 'Skeptic'4Sure and who not... gave no evidence of any desire to learn anything.

[Redtail]

qarnos, don't be so sure.

And, collapsewise, has it even been 102 minutes yet?

I doubt collapse It's seems that only 2-3 apartments were on fire.

[Gravy]

I guess nothing mechanical has ever failed in Oneonta.

fixed-wing aircraft, flying under VFR, confirmed with the FAA by CNN's Deborah Feverick (a good friend of ours actually)

logistically...this pilot could have flown ANYWHERE besides that building...for him to not know he was heading straight for that building I find hard to believe. he could have dumped into the East River.

pilot either passed out or severely drunk.


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16493&view=findpost&p=7660877

[qarnos]

Holy $@!#

I've just been reading the thread at LC, and I think you guys are right about them not learning a thing. I wish I had a sock on standby. Some of these comments are extremely callous.

Here's a quote:

Let's get a countdown timer until the building collapses, so we can compare it to the WTC collapses (if it collapses, then we have the time ready).

:mad: :mad: :mad:

I am speechless.

These guys have hit a new low.

[alfaniner]

Now, this is "Breaking News". Not John Mark Carr getting served beer on the airplane. Not the latest email from Foley. Not rumors of a picture of TomKat's baby.

Unfortunately, the TV news media has overused that banner so much in the last few months that it has lost all its true import.

[Pardalis]

These guys have hit a new low.

But yet the depths of their arrogance seems to have no limit, their new low seems to get lower every time.

[eddyk]

Be sure to post what else they are saying over on LC about this.

I was banned from that place ages ago after only 3 posts :(

[slingblade]

Hopefully the troofers will learn something, at least.

Right now they are arguing whether flipping and reversing the numbers in today's date makes 09/11/06. [cue paraspiracy music]

Hurl-worthy.

[roger]

I'm listening to CNN Headline news on my XM radio at work.

It's driving me crazy. They are not reporting news. They are sitting at their desks running their mouths, making endless baseless speculation based on unconfirmed reports.

eta: now they are reporting "we can not confirm, but...". And now they are speculating about a parachute deplying. Not because of any reports, but because it could happen. Oye.

[Submersible]

Looks like the Firemen are doing a good job.

I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only fireman in the world embarrased by the fact that the FDNY was unable to touch this fire.
http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7firesnorthface.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general65/wtc7_louvers_fire.jpg

Compare those images to the one's you saw today and ask yourself a simple question...
Why didn't the FDNY even TRY to put out the fires in tower 7 ?
Because it damn sure isn't as if they couldn't do it!

[Lisa Simpson]

Now they are saying it's a Yankee's pitcher's plane. ETA: Cory Lidle.

[eddyk]

October = the old 8th month.
+ 1 month past september = 9
it's the 11th.
= 9/11
OMG!!!!


In all seriousness, when I saw this on the BBC website about 20min ago, I knew the CTs would go nuts...which is why I cam here.
I hope for the best for anyone involved in todays accident.

[Bell]

I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only fireman in the world embarrased by the fact that the FDNY was unable to touch this fire.
http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7firesnorthface.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general65/wtc7_louvers_fire.jpg

Compare those images to the one's you saw today and ask yourself a simple question...
Why didn't the FDNY even TRY to put out the fires in tower 7 ?
Because it damn sure isn't as if they couldn't do it!

Or you could find the thread where Gravy posted his WTC7 paper and read that. Look, it's here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=65656

[Redtail]

Did I just hear that the piolt was a pitcher for the Yankees?

[boloboffin]

This might have been Cory Lidle's plane.

[slingblade]

Compare those images to the one's you saw today and ask yourself a simple question...
Why didn't the FDNY even TRY to put out the fires in tower 7 ?
Because it damn sure isn't as if they couldn't do it!

It may be a "simple" question, but I can't answer it because I'm not a firefighter, I wasn't at any of those fires, and I don't know my physics as well as I should.

It would be nice if everyone could do that. You know: refuse to speculate on that about which you know absolutely jack chit?

Yeah.

[Katana]

Now they are saying it's a Yankee's pitcher's plane. ETA: Cory Lidle.

They don't know if it was him, but the Yankees are saying that a member of their organization was on the plane.

[Lisa Simpson]

CNN is saying it is him. Joe Torre has confirmed that was his plane.

[Dog Town]

It was Cory Lidle, he was flying.

[Submersible]

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/wtc7-fires-close.jpg

Fires this size can be knocked down with ONE 2 1/2 inch hand line and 4 men.
ONE hose team could have been sent to each floor where these relatively small fires were burning,
and I was repeatedly insulted in the LC 4 thread because I KNOW that being a firefighter does not in any way resemble a SPECTATOR SPORT.


Maybe now some of you can see that, since you have such a fine example to compare the two fires, and the FDNY's response to a similar structure.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

How come there were no Jews in the building?

[qarnos]

Be sure to post what else they are saying over on LC about this.

I was banned from that place ages ago after only 3 posts :(

Here are some of the other comments for the LC impared.

I don't know which word is best to describe this... callous... stupid... pathetic.

Just hope the steel in this building doesn't 'melt' at 200 deg C. or so... whistlingb.gif

The entire inside is a blazing inferno of 2 apartments. The building is sure to callapse. It must the fire is worse than it was in WTC 7.

ok everyone, lets gets ready for that building to collapse! cause you know how easy a building will fall with a small hole and fires right?

I wonder how much of the aircraft will be found after it's over... vaporized ???

said it was a small multi-engine plane ... call me crazy ... but it doesnt look much like a plane hit it ... i mean none of the structure next to the windows was damaged too much it as all by the impact.

The building was not designed to take such high speed impacts with such explosive jet fuel that is like magical fire powder. Expect the building to fall.

LOOK AT THE FIRE, WORSE THAN WTC ROFL!!! Look for major collapse


[GUY JUST MENTIONS HE MAY OF HEARD BOMB] lolol!!!! here we go again

OMG, that buildings comming down! This building is not designed to handle an aircraft!

[Redtail]

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/wtc7-fires-close.jpg

Fires this size can be knocked down with ONE 2 1/2 inch hand line and 4 men.
ONE hose team could have been sent to each floor where these relatively small fires were burning,
and I was repeatedly insulted in the LC 4 thread because I KNOW that being a firefighter does not in any way resemble a SPECTATOR SPORT.


Maybe now some of you can see that, since you have such a fine example to compare the two fires, and the FDNY's response to a similar structure.

Well that shows what the fire looked like from the outside What did it look like on the inside?

[slingblade]

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/wtc7-fires-close.jpg

Fires this size can be knocked down with ONE 2 1/2 inch hand line and 4 men.
ONE hose team could have been sent to each floor where these relatively small fires were burning,
and I was repeatedly insulted in the LC 4 thread because I KNOW that being a firefighter does not in any way resemble a SPECTATOR SPORT.


Maybe now some of you can see that, since you have such a fine example to compare the two fires, and the FDNY's response to.


From two pictures? Could you please get real? Two photos is not enough data for anything this complex.

You irk me. If you want an answer, go ask the people who actually know. Why the heck would you want to reveal how gullible you are by asking non-experts to give an expert opinion they aren't remotely qualified to give? Will you just believe any old thing, from any old person?

Sheesh.

[firecoins]

There are no Jews in the building because it occurred just affter Succas where all Jews live in wooden huts.:cool: Of course New York Jews are allowed not to follow this traditions, well at least those in Manhattan

[Bell]

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/wtc7-fires-close.jpg

Fires this size can be knocked down with ONE 2 1/2 inch hand line and 4 men.
ONE hose team could have been sent to each floor where these relatively small fires were burning,
and I was repeatedly insulted in the LC 4 thread because I KNOW that being a firefighter does not in any way resemble a SPECTATOR SPORT.


Maybe now some of you can see that, since you have such a fine example to compare the two fires, and the FDNY's response to a similar structure.

The two fires compare in no way to each other. WTC7 had uncontrolled fires over multiple floors. Also, there was a huge hole in WTC7. Read Gravy's paper, allready?

[boloboffin]

CNN just reported that they found Cory Lidle's passport in the street.

[Submersible]

Or you could find the thread where Gravy posted his WTC7 paper and read that. Look, it's here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=65656

Thanks, but I'm not having a truth "movement"... simply refreshing the images of tower 7 in this thread since most of you here believe that the collapse of the building wasn't planned.

[Brainster]

I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only fireman in the world embarrased by the fact that the FDNY was unable to touch this fire.
http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7firesnorthface.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general65/wtc7_louvers_fire.jpg

Compare those images to the one's you saw today and ask yourself a simple question...
Why didn't the FDNY even TRY to put out the fires in tower 7 ?
Because it damn sure isn't as if they couldn't do it!

1. Lack of water pressure because the mains were busted when the towers fell.
2. Decision that the building was too damaged to be worth risk losing more lives. In this regard, Silverstein should appropriately be considered a (minor) hero of 9-11.

[Bell]

Thanks, but I'm not having a truth "movement"... simply refreshing the images of tower 7 in this thread since most of you here believe that the collapse of the building wasn't planned.

Thanks, but we don't need to be reminded of that fact. Usually it's the nutters who needs to be reminded.

[Dog Town]

The two fires compare in no way to each other. WTC7 had uncontrolled fires over multiple floors. Also, there was a huge hole in WTC7. Read Gravy's paper, allready?

Correct, and no water to fight the fires. Today they had plenty of water to fight with. Sheesh... go dig another hole. We've filled this one enough.

Read Gravy's Paper!

Brainster beat me!

[Hutch]

Submersible (gratitious insult--You should have stayed under water a longer--gratitious insult), just a couple of notes...

The firefighters had some slight advantages this time in that:

1. The water mains were working and not torn up and unable to supply the hoses.
2. The rest of the building was intact and had suffered no other other structural damage.
3. The fires on the other side of the building (which of course you don't show) involved numerous floors and heavy fire.
4. 300+ firefighters hadn't already lost their lives.

Even Daffy Duck wouldn't sputter when he called you Despicable.

[Redtail]

Thanks, but I'm not having a truth "movement"... simply refreshing the images of tower 7 in this thread since most of you here believe that the collapse of the building wasn't planned.

So you were at WTC 7 and know what the fire was like inside?

[defaultdotxbe]

I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only fireman in the world embarrased by the fact that the FDNY was unable to touch this fire.
http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7firesnorthface.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general65/wtc7_louvers_fire.jpg

Compare those images to the one's you saw today and ask yourself a simple question...
Why didn't the FDNY even TRY to put out the fires in tower 7 ?
Because it damn sure isn't as if they couldn't do it!
those were classified 12 alarm fires, damage to the WTC complex resulted in a lack of water pressure

todays was a 4 alarm, there was no problem getting water to the fires

do the math

[Dog Town]

Cory alone in plane, pilots lic for 7 months! Harsh!

[Skeptic]

About Dogtown's avatar... apparently someone discovered that (a) a pyramid looks like a triangle when drawn from the front, (b) and that the star of david looks like two triangles on on top of another.

Wow. That's some eeeeeeevil conspiracy he's got there.

[Redtail]

Cory alone in plane, pilots lic for 7 months! Harsh!

Dang.:(

[boloboffin]

At LC forum, the news of the passport discovery is met with cries of disbelief and general cognative dissonance.

[Brainster]

CNN just reported that they found Cory Lidle's passport in the street.

At first I thought this was a bad joke but apparently it's true. You know the Deniers are going to go absolutely nuts over this.

BTW, here's an article about Lidle & his plane from the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/sports/baseball/08yankees.html?ex=1315368000&en=f488e3344c30a4f4&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss) a month ago:

A player-pilot is still a sensitive topic for the Yankees, whose captain, Thurman Munson, was killed in the crash of a plane he was flying in 1979. Lidle, acquired from the Philadelphia Phillies on July 30, said his plane was safe.

“The whole plane has a parachute on it,” Lidle said. “Ninety-nine percent of pilots that go up never have engine failure, and the 1 percent that do usually land it. But if you’re up in the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the whole plane goes down slowly.”

[Submersible]

The two fires compare in no way to each other. WTC7 had uncontrolled fires over multiple floors. Also, there was a huge hole in WTC7. Read Gravy's paper, allready?

I had some trouble opening Gravy's toilet paper, maybe that's why I'm not trying to share a real truth movement with you.
And Bell, from the pictures I posted it would appear as if I know that there were small fires on multiple floors, and the reason I posted the images was to point out the fact that they WERE uncontrolled.
Apparently it still doesn't raise the question with this forum as to WHY those fires were left to burn unattended.

From two pictures? Could you please get real? Two photos is not enough data for anything this complex.

You irk me. If you want an answer, go ask the people who actually know. Why the heck would you want to reveal how gullible you are by asking non-experts to give an expert opinion they aren't remotely qualified to give? Will you just believe any old thing, from any old person?

Sheesh.

I irk you?
that's funny.

Will you look at the fire from today and compare it to the fires that burned in tower 7 prior to it's collapse? It's far from being considered as a complex task.


one more thing, Bell... the hole in tower 7 was not on fire. :D

[Lisa Simpson]

Submersible - this thread is about the plane that crashed today. If you wish to discuss WTC7, there are plenty of other threads.

[defaultdotxbe]

nm

[Muckar-duva]

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/wtc7-fires-close.jpg

Fires this size can be knocked down with ONE 2 1/2 inch hand line and 4 men.
ONE hose team could have been sent to each floor where these relatively small fires were burning,
and I was repeatedly insulted in the LC 4 thread because I KNOW that being a firefighter does not in any way resemble a SPECTATOR SPORT.


Maybe now some of you can see that, since you have such a fine example to compare the two fires, and the FDNY's response to a similar structure.

If nothing else, you should go to www.debunking911.com and read the firemens' statements that are quoted there. They report numerous creakings and noises from 7, combined with the building tilting and being severely damaged. Firemen were concerned that the building would collapse hours before it happened.

[Dog Town]

At first I thought this was a bad joke but apparently it's true. You know the Deniers are going to go absolutely nuts over this.


Here's your sign!
By Batmuncher@LC
this may or may not be a deliberate act, but something seems awfully wrong here.
the situation is still fluid, so to all you debunkers, you seem awfully ready to accept the government story without any questions.
let's research it first, shall we.
the passport thing alone is enough to say" where have we heard that one before?"
i want to know more.....................

These people are beyond nuts!

[Skeptic]

At LC forum, the news of the passport discovery is met with cries of disbelief and general cognative dissonance.

Let me guess: it's a fake passport, the illuminati kidnapped him and planted it so it will look like it's an accident.

[Redtail]

Let me guess: it's a fake passport, the illuminati kidnapped him and planted it so it will look like it's an accident.

Actually it's more "It's made of paper!" and "Why does he have a Passport with him!?!?"

ETA: And the spinning eyes smiley.

[Dog Town]

About Dogtown's avatar...

Wow. That's some eeeeeeevil conspiracy he's got there.

It's the sooper dooper secret NWO badge. Shhhhh!
Found it at the HQ...I mean on the SLC Blog.

[Skeptic]

I like the conspiracy theorists' logic: if the building had collapsed, it would "prove" it's a Bushitler/Cheney/Halliburton "October Surprise" conspiracy, "just like" 9/11, "proving" 9/11 was a conspiracy. Now that it didn't collapse, it "proves" the FDNY could have stopped the WTC from collapsing if they really wanted to, "proving" 9/11 was a conspiracy.

Idiots.

[roger]

Let me guess: it's a fake passport, the illuminati kidnapped him and planted it so it will look like it's an accident.

Close. Actually, they report that if you flip 10/11/06 upside down, it becomes 9/11/01, and that the Illuminati like number symbolism.

To be fair, others point out that flipping 10/11/06 does not yield 9/11, but others respond , ya, but it's still unsettling!!!

[Redtail]

Close. Actually, they report that if you flip 10/11/06 upside down, it becomes 9/11/01, and that the Illuminati like number symbolism.

To be fair, others point out that flipping 10/11/06 does not yield 9/11, but others respond , ya, but it's still unsettling!!!

...Wow....

[Bell]

Actually it's more "It's made of paper!" and "Why does he have a Passport with him!?!?"

ETA: And the spinning eyes smiley.

Here you go...

http://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/Crylol.gifhttp://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/Crylol.gifhttp://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/Crylol.gif

[Skeptic]

Close. Actually, they report that if you flip 10/11/06 upside down, it becomes 9/11/01, and that the Illuminati like number symbolism.

Please tell me you're making this up.

[Arus808]

truly pathetic. this is a tragic event, and thos nutballs are playing it down to a conspiracy.

OH WHY oh why can't their be legal retroactive abortion?

[qarnos]

Close. Actually, they report that if you flip 10/11/06 upside down, it becomes 9/11/01, and that the Illuminati like number symbolism.

To be fair, others point out that flipping 10/11/06 does not yield 9/11, but others respond , ya, but it's still unsettling!!!

Geez... what more proof do we need?

[Submersible]

those were classified 12 alarm fires, damage to the WTC complex resulted in a lack of water pressure

todays was a 4 alarm, there was no problem getting water to the fires

do the math

maybe your right.

http://www.sname.org/newsletter/fireboat.pdf#search=%22fdny%20fireboats%209%2F11%2 2

I guess the FDNY had a good reason to waste the available water that was provided by the fire boats on the collapsed buildings instead of the one that was still standing, with relatively small fires throughout the structure.
As much respect as they deserve, apparently some of the people in charge of the scene responded as if they were stupid. Much like the Commissioner who has not responded to the Port Authority tapes that were released proving that the reason so many firemen died in tower 1, was NOT due to a repeater failure.

It might have been classified as a 12 alarm fire one minute before it fell out of the sky, but it damn sure didn't start that way.

http://www.evesmag.com/firefighters.htm

New York City firefighters are still equipped with hand-held radios that don’t work in skyscrapers or subways, and other critical instances such as large schools and hospitals. The problem was first identified in 1993, when terrorists tried to bomb one of the Twin Towers off its foundation. Eight years later, sent into the WTC with those same failed radios, scores of firefighters died when they did not hear repeated orders to evacuate the buildings. To this date, everything the Fire Department has done to remedy the radio situation has been bungled, in a long-running civic scandal that no one wants to fully investigate. No one. Not anyone in law enforcement. Not anyone in the press. Not anyone at FDNY headquarters or City Hall or Albany or Washington. Shame on all of them. Someone is responsible for the deaths of all those firefighters, and the continuing jeopardy to every firefighter today, and no one wants to know who, what, when, where, why or how.




http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/

[Redtail]

Here you go...

Ok since I teach at FSU that reminds me of the "tomahawk chop"

[Submersible]

Submersible - this thread is about the plane that crashed today. If you wish to discuss WTC7, there are plenty of other threads.


10-4

[Skeptic]

As much respect as they deserve, apparently some of the people in charge of the scene responded as if they were stupid.

As opposed to those beacons of intelligence and wisdom, the conspiracy theorists.

[firecoins]

Since Lidell's passport was found on the street. Is it more believable now that Mohammed Atta's was found in on 9/11?

[Bell]

Since Lidell's passport was found on the street. Is it more believable now that Mohammed Atta's was found in on 9/11?

Unless they reason that Lidle's passport was planted to make Atta's look less suspicious :rolleyes:

[Arus808]

no, the ct'ers are claiming that its not possible...and why he has a passport with him?

(I travel with my passport all the time. Its better than a Photo id or drivers license. When flying, driving or what not, the passport is with me whereever I go)

[Dog Town]

Lidle's !

[Brainster]

Since Lidell's passport was found on the street. Is it more believable now that Mohammed Atta's was found in on 9/11?

Not Atta's, but Satam al-Suqtami's passport was found in the street. Some media sources got this wrong.

[firecoins]

Lidle's
thanks!

[Dog Town]

Not Atta's, but Satam al-Suqtami's passport was found in the street. Some media sources got this wrong.

Did not know that. The kooks always scream Atta, serves me right!

[Shrinker]

Maybe now some of you can see that, since you have such a fine example to compare the two fires, and the FDNY's response to a similar structure.

Two pictures for ya sub...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/3617452d68eb3a130.jpg (http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Magnum11.jpg)

ETA: That's for you and any other CTists trying to make 'comparisons'

[Cthulhu]

Two pictures for ya sub...

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/3617452d68eb3a130.jpg (http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Magnum11.jpg)

ETA: That's for you and any other CTists trying to make 'comparisons'

Thank you!

It is really easy to comment, and point fingers when you are only posting pictures that support *YOUR* arguement.

But when others come out, ie. pictures from the South side of WTC7...well....what is the explination for that? let me guess...Photoshop?

[firecoins]

Not Atta's, but Satam al-Suqtami's passport was found in the street. Some media sources got this wrong.
duly noted. 2 mistakes in 1 post. I am losing it.
However it is still possible which was my point. I believe the Passport was found before the collpase.

[Mince]

It just goes to show how conflicting first reports are.

Actually, it demonstrates how inaccurate people can be when they talk about that which they do not know.

[Mince]

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/wtc7-fires-close.jpg

Fires this size can be knocked down with ONE 2 1/2 inch hand line and 4 men.
ONE hose team could have been sent to each floor where these relatively small fires were burning,
and I was repeatedly insulted in the LC 4 thread because I KNOW that being a firefighter does not in any way resemble a SPECTATOR SPORT.


Maybe now some of you can see that, since you have such a fine example to compare the two fires, and the FDNY's response to a similar structure.


I'm guessing one of your talents in life is not comparative analysis.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

10-4

If you subtract 1 from the 10, and add 7 to the 4, you get 9/11. Coincidence? I think not.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

no, the ct'ers are claiming that its not possible...and why he has a passport with him?

(I travel with my passport all the time. Its better than a Photo id or drivers license. When flying, driving or what not, the passport is with me whereever I go)

My passport is with me at all times as well.

[Arus808]

My passport is with me at all times as well.

which also lends to the fact that these nutballs must not ever leave their homes and play couch critic all day, if they dont realize how important (or ever attempted to get) a passport. Before I got my drivers license, my passport was the ONLY form of photo identification I could use.

Want to get through airport security faster? Show them your passport (they take longer to scrutinize a DL).

Seeing as this belonged a baseball player, whom Im assume is TRAVELING all over creation, the passport would be with him at all times.

[Alareth]

Unless Until they reason that Lidle's passport was planted to make Atta's look less suspicious :rolleyes:

There, fixed that for you. ;)

[dissonance]

The Yankees travel to Toronto to play the Blue Jays quite frequently during the season, and IIRC Lidle pitched for the Jays for at least one season. It's entirely likely that when he was with the Jays he got in the habit of carrying his passport at all times. Plus a passport is great ID, so it's not at all odd he'd have it with him.

[Bell]

There, fixed that for you. ;)

Thanks man! :)
Can you also fix Atta's name to Satam al-Suqtami, seems I f-ed that up as well ;)

[stateofgrace]

This appears to be a terrible accident and, according to UK news, four people have lost their lives.

This has nothing what so ever to do with 911. It is repugnant that the cters should use this event to mock the official story of what happened on 911.

A plane has flown into a building; all indications are is it was totally accidental. This is why I find the comments on the UK 911 forum utterly despicable.

Jeez this is the moment of truth! will there be any collapse from the impacts and resultant fires and any molten metal in the rubble?


I guess the question is: Will the building collapse! LOL!

10 crispy notes says it won't.


Guess what... smoldering helicopter wreckage is at the foot of the building. Its not fair, it should have evaporated on impact.



Possible scenarios

1) Distraction from gat Republican scanda
2) Beginning of a phase of psy ops to scare the US population - reminders of 9/11 - remember that kid who flew a plane into a bank or something
3) A Warning for someone who lives there - the appartments are near the United Nations, and Duchess of York has an appartment in building next door
4) Somehow trying to trigger memories of 9/11 before the elections to garner support for GOP



Please note the absence of a plane shaped hole in the building

mmm - did I see a plane shaped hole somewhere else

Before the dead are recovered from this dreadful accident are laid in the ground these idiots are pissing on their graves, like they piss on the graves of the victims of 911.Not a word of sympathy not a word of compassion, simply carry on mocking it all.

This is why a hate each one of these idiotic ass wipes.

[Redtail]

which also lends to the fact that these nutballs must not ever leave their homes and play couch critic all day, if they dont realize how important (or ever attempted to get) a passport. Before I got my drivers license, my passport was the ONLY form of photo identification I could use.

Want to get through airport security faster? Show them your passport (they take longer to scrutinize a DL).

Seeing as this belonged a baseball player, whom Im assume is TRAVELING all over creation, the passport would be with him at all times.

I was thinking the same thing. (I almost signed up at LC just to ask how many of them have ever left the country)Heck I don't even fly that much but I carry my Passport in my briefcase at all times to make sure when I do go out of the country I won't forget it.

[Polaris]

] news, four people have lost their lives.[/FONT][/COLOR]

This has nothing what so ever to do with 911. It is repugnant that the cters should use this event to mock the official story of what happened on 911.


Expectable though. These were the same slime who are convinced the the India train bombings were a feignt by the NWO to take the focus of their 'investigation'.

[Alareth]

Are we all just paranoid?


The best question in the thread at LCF.

[Dog Town]

These guys just don't quit.
just a coincidence the address of crash-524 72nd St.

5 + 2 + 4 = 11

7+ 2 = 9

weird or not?

[Lisa Simpson]

There is a mindset there I just don't understand.

[Dog Town]

There is a mindset there I just don't understand.

Yet...so funny, in a creepy kind of way!

[Muckar-duva]

The Cters could make millions coming up with video games plots.

[Arus808]

The Cters could make millions coming up with video games plots.


hahha. i work in the VG industry. many companies wouldn't touch those ideas with a 10 foot cattle prod.

[bonavada]

Originally Posted by roger:-
Close. Actually, they report that if you flip 10/11/06 upside down, it becomes 9/11/01, and that the Illuminati like number symbolism.

hilariously however now you have to............

From LCF:-
Write 09 / 11 / 01 on a piece of paper (make sure you got the 9 curved or it looks stupid).
Take that piece of paper and flip it upside down towards the mirror, read right to left like the Japanese

my bold

AND close one eye.
i kid you not.

BV
Swansea Wales UK

[Bell]

hilariously however now you have to............



my bold

AND close one eye.
i kid you not.

BV
Swansea Wales UK

Sooo... and what happens on 10/11/60 ???

[Lisa Simpson]

10/11/60 Curt Ford was born

[geggy]

The difference between finding Atta's passport and Lindle's was that AA11 flew into the tower, exploded and was engulfed in flames while lindle's aircraft bounced off the apartment complex and landed onto ground. I find it hard to believe atta's passport was found in perfect shape, is all

[Bell]

10/11/60 Curt Ford was born

No no no, 2060! :D

On the other hand... Curt Ford -> baseball ... :eek:

Oh crap, sorry. Screw the nutters!

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

hahha. i work in the VG industry. many companies wouldn't touch those ideas with a 10 foot cattle prod.

Indeed. Your player has to empathize with the main character (Half-Life), or want to act out through the character in ways that are taboo in the culture (GTA).

[Bell]

The difference between finding Atta's passport and Lindle's was that AA11 flew into the tower and exploded into flames while lindle's aircraft bounced off the apartment complex and landed onto ground without exploding. I find it hard to believe atta's passport was found in perfect shape, is all

Bounced off and landed :confused:
This is not a Roadrunner cartoon, you know. The plane crashed.

And I guess the residents set fire to their appartments themselfs? Since the plane didn't explode?

[Dog Town]

Not Atta's, but Satam al-Suqtami's passport was found in the street. Some media sources got this wrong.

Got it, gegg?

[Peephole]

Witness on fox news talked about explosives!

Evidence of controlled demolition? Coincidence?

YOU DECIDE!
The aircraft "were in the air in less than 10 minutes,"he said, adding,"We assumed it was (a terrorist act) until we were confident it wasn't."
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Oct11/0,4670,PlaneCrashMilitary,00.html
How could the aircraft be in the air in less than 10 minutes when it took them hours on September 11?

What did the US government know in advance about this?

And finally, why is the media suddenly supressing all talk of a helicopter? Was it because... IT WAS A BLACK HELICOPTER???????,,,,


I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS PEOPLE

[firecoins]

Witness on fox news talked about explosives!

Evidence of controlled demolition? Coincidence?

YOU DECIDE!
How could the aircraft be in the air in less than 10 minutes when it took them hours on September 11?

What did the US government know in advance about this?

And finally, why is the media suddenly supressing all talk of a helicopter? Was it because... IT WAS A BLACK HELICOPTER???????,,,,


I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS PEOPLE

If I disagree with you, do I get banned?

[T.A.M.]

I am reading through this thread. As I read, I realize you guys are posting as it is happening. Damn that must have been stomach turning, waiting to see if the bastards had done it again.

Then it turns out to be a much smaller tragedy...but perhaps in some ways a personal one.

Then I see the GODAMN idiots posting here, bringing up WTC7, and Attas passport.

Then I see the quotes from DU and LC...and my blood pressure goes up, and I actually strike my monitor I am that angry.

And now I am back to that point where rather than rationally discuss anything with these idiots, i would rather let the inner anger out and tear each of them new as**oles.

I want to post more, but I will wait until one of the morons posts something to specifically anger me.

TAM:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Peephole]

If I disagree with you, do I get banned?
Not if you do it an inquisitive manner.
Question marks excuse you from everything.



That being said, condoleances to the two victim's family.

[Peephole]

The difference between finding Atta's passport and Lindle's was that AA11 flew into the tower, exploded and was engulfed in flames while lindle's aircraft bounced off the apartment complex and landed onto ground. I find it hard to believe atta's passport was found in perfect shape, is all
Actually, news reports are talking about a fireball in this case as well.

Guess you and your conspiradroid buddies are plain wrong and reality just debunked another one of your retarded little theories.

[firecoins]

The difference between finding Atta's passport and Lindle's was that AA11 flew into the tower, exploded and was engulfed in flames while lindle's aircraft bounced off the apartment complex and landed onto ground. I find it hard to believe atta's passport was found in perfect shape, is all
There was definatly an explosion here as well.

[Orphia Nay]

Wow, I'm glad I was asleep when this was all happening. :(

The first I heard of it was a radio report saying there is evidence of Lidle's mental health problems causing the crashing of his plane into a building.

In relation to the CTists, I guess it will be a while before they realise that today is the anniversary of the Bali Bombings... but then, in their minds, they had nothing whatsoever to with 9/11. :mad:

[Regnad Kcin]

I had some trouble opening Gravy's toilet paper...Please grow up. Everyone will be happier, including you.

[quixotecoyote]

I saw this on tv today right after it happened and it rather pissed me off. I saw three cycles of coverage on it, and NOT ONCE did they talk about possible victims in the apartments. It was all about Lidle, reactions from his team, his coach, etc. Now I understand the focus on celebrity, but it isn't okay to ignore the possiblity that dozens more might be hurt or injured just because the guy in the plane played baseball?

[Orphia Nay]

Forgot to add, the report I heard 3 hours ago said there were no casualties. I'm hoping that's true.

[Skeptic]

hilariously however now you have to............



But Hebrew is read from right to left. This is proof it was all a conspiracy by the jews. What other explanation could there possibly be?

[Skeptic]

Forgot to add, the report I heard 3 hours ago said there were no casualties. I'm hoping that's true.

Four casualties. This is, in a sense, good news--an accident like that could easily have caused many more casualties.

Of course, for the conspiracy theory people, the fact that there are only four casualties is proof it was a New World Order plot, because if there were more casualties, there would have been a public outcry for an investigation.

[slingblade]

Right now, MSNBC reports only Lidle and his flight instructor were killed.

[qarnos]

Wow, I'm glad I was asleep when this was all happening. :(

The first I heard of it was a radio report saying there is evidence of Lidle's mental health problems causing the crashing of his plane into a building.

In relation to the CTists, I guess it will be a while before they realise that today is the anniversary of the Bali Bombings... but then, in their minds, they had nothing whatsoever to with 9/11. :mad:

I am just glad we don't have any CTs regarding the Bali bombings - at least none that I am aware of.

I'd imagine that if anyone around here was to talk as callously about Bali as the the loosers do about 9/11 they would find themselves on the receiving end of a swift punch to the head.

[Orphia Nay]

I am just glad we don't have any CTs regarding the Bali bombings - at least none that I am aware of.

I'm afraid that not long after they happened, I saw one (although possibly US-originating) that said the bomb was a US 'micro-nuke', and Abu Bakr Bashir recently said the same thing. And they wonder why we call CTists terrorist apologists. :mad:

I'd imagine that if anyone around here was to talk as callously about Bali as the the loosers do about 9/11 they would find themselves on the receiving end of a swift punch to the head.

Hehehe. Yep. Yay, aussie yobbos! :D ;)

Seriously, a girl with whom I used to ride the bus to school died as a result of the Bali bombings, and her death affected me deeply. Today's a sad day for our town, and for Australia.

News of the new South Park episode has cheered me up a bit. Any idea when it's going to be shown here, garnos?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only fireman in the world embarrased by the fact that the FDNY was unable to touch this fire.
http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7firesnorthface.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general65/wtc7_louvers_fire.jpg

Compare those images to the one's you saw today and ask yourself a simple question...
Why didn't the FDNY even TRY to put out the fires in tower 7 ?
Because it damn sure isn't as if they couldn't do it!

Your first impulse in coming to this thread is to assault the reputations of REAL firefighters?

You should be ashamed.

[qarnos]

I'm afraid that not long after they happened, I saw one (although possibly US-originating) that said the bomb was a US 'micro-nuke', and Abu Bakr Bashir recently said the same thing. And they wonder why we call CTists terrorist apologists. :mad:



Hehehe. Yep. Yay, aussie yobbos! :D ;)

Seriously, a girl with whom I used to ride the bus to school died as a result of the Bali bombings, and her death affected me deeply. Today's a sad day for our town, and for Australia.

News of the new South Park episode has cheered me up a bit. Any idea when it's going to be shown here, garnos?

No idea. I'm usually not home when it is on, so I miss it most of the time. I catch up with it over the net. I am on dialup so it is an overnight deal for me!

I usually only watch the episodes that interest me. The John Edward was was a hoot!

The sad thing is that most Aussies probaby aren't even aware of the 9/11 conspiracy crap, so this episode will introduce them to it. I only found out because I am a Randi fan :D

[Mid]

I had some trouble opening Gravy's toilet paper
...snip...


Looks like your maid's slacking off at work again Gravy, I suggest you find a new one :D

[60hzxtl]

I was sure that JohndoeX was at the stick.

[DavidJames]

The LC lobby thread about this tragedy has hit 16 pages now and they are in full CT mode. A couple of gems...was it just an "accident", that they happened to fly into the building across the street from where the u.n. envoy from north korea lives? was he the intended target?
you'll find that indeed this was probably a mi6/cia safehouse of some sort.
Sad but convenient to change focus for those that might be questioning 650,000 innocent deaths
Either way, to me it is a big smoking gun - the intelligence and investigative agencies having the ability to "instantly" provide names and pictures of perps any time that there is a "terrorist attack" and conversely their ability to "instantly" identify accidents as mere accidents.

That's just from the last page.

[firecoins]

I heard their were 2 victims but I have also read 4. Any confirmation?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I heard their were 2 victims but I have also read 4. Any confirmation?

NPR this morning said Lidel (sp?) and passenger. No one in apartments was killed.

[firecoins]

The pilot's log was found in the building. Much like the passport found on the ground.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/12/plane.crash/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/12/plane.crash/index.html)

[60hzxtl]

CT'er

"Why would he have his passport to go from NJ to NY?"

Answer to be ignored:

Because you use your plane to fly to other countries, sometimes, if you have your own plane, just for lunch. Keep you passport in your plane in case the mood strikes you to fly to Bermuda and back, or Cananda.

[jujigatami]

I just can't believe these LC loons.

I just can't believe it.

Small planes crash all the time.

This was a sad accident, but really not much worse than a car crash.

Do the CT loons think that every car crash is part of the NWO?

I mean they think the apartment was a CIA safehouse?!?!? yeah, turns out to be really safe. It was SO safe and SO secure they needed a NY Yankee to destroy it. Oh, and there was no one there at the time.
Its like all other CT's. Occams Razor would have just had Mariano Rivera throw a few fastballs at the apartment, but no, Lidle had to fly his plane in to it to do what exactly?

And those morons waiting for the building to come down, do they not get F=MA????

And the government has the ability to "instantly identify accidents as mere accidents." Maybe thats why jets were scrambled over major cities. and also why common sense tells you that a 4 seater Cirrus (about the same size as a Honda Civic) Probably, just probably isn't a major terrorist attack.

I'm really losing my faith in humanity.

[firecoins]

It was Steinbrenner trying to cut the payroll.:boggled:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I heard their were 2 victims but I have also read 4. Any confirmation?

Define "victim".

From what I have read, 2 people killed in the plane, and the lady that lived in the apartment is in the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Define "victim".

From what I have read, 2 people killed in the plane, and the lady that lived in the apartment is in the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

Meant corpse in my sentence.

[Polaris]

I'm afraid that not long after they happened, I saw one (although possibly US-originating) that said the bomb was a US 'micro-nuke', and Abu Bakr Bashir recently said the same thing. And they wonder why we call CTists terrorist apologists. :mad:



Hehehe. Yep. Yay, aussie yobbos! :D ;)

Seriously, a girl with whom I used to ride the bus to school died as a result of the Bali bombings, and her death affected me deeply. Today's a sad day for our town, and for Australia.

News of the new South Park episode has cheered me up a bit. Any idea when it's going to be shown here, garnos?

You're partially right. They say it was a "micro-nuke" which somehow didn't emit radioactive fallout - but it was set off by the Jooooos, not the US. It was apparently done because Australia's citizens were opposed to the Jewish-Crusader assault on Islam. http://www.vialls.com/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm

I don't suggest reading this on a full stomach. Actually I don't suggest reading it at all.

[hellaeon]

I just can't believe these LC loons.

I just can't believe it.

Small planes crash all the time.

This was a sad accident, but really not much worse than a car crash.

Do the CT loons think that every car crash is part of the NWO?

I mean they think the apartment was a CIA safehouse?!?!? yeah, turns out to be really safe. It was SO safe and SO secure they needed a NY Yankee to destroy it. Oh, and there was no one there at the time.
Its like all other CT's. Occams Razor would have just had Mariano Rivera throw a few fastballs at the apartment, but no, Lidle had to fly his plane in to it to do what exactly?

And those morons waiting for the building to come down, do they not get F=MA????

And the government has the ability to "instantly identify accidents as mere accidents." Maybe thats why jets were scrambled over major cities. and also why common sense tells you that a 4 seater Cirrus (about the same size as a Honda Civic) Probably, just probably isn't a major terrorist attack.

I'm really losing my faith in humanity.


hahaha I understand your frustration mate. I think the idea of the building not coming down is supposed to be an analogy that its impossible the towers came down when a plane hit, because you know, those fuel filled passenger airliners on 9/11 are the same as the Cirrus....

[Orphia Nay]

You're partially right. They say it was a "micro-nuke" which somehow didn't emit radioactive fallout - but it was set off by the Jooooos, not the US. It was apparently done because Australia's citizens were opposed to the Jewish-Crusader assault on Islam. http://www.vialls.com/nuke/bali_micro_nuke.htm

I don't suggest reading this on a full stomach. Actually I don't suggest reading it at all.

:eye-poppi
It seems there is more than one "micro-nuke" conspiracy theory.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/060829/23/10c12.html

Indonesian cleric Abu Bakar Bashir claims the CIA was involved in the 2002 Bali bombings.
Bashir, who was jailed for his role in the attacks, has told ABC television he believes the bombings were "hijacked" by the top US spy agency.

He says it was an American "micro-nuclear" bomb that killed 202 people and claims the original device would have only injured people.


...

Just found the same article posted here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=62787) with a link to another topic where the claim pops up.

[firecoins]

Define "victim".

From what I have read, 2 people killed in the plane, and the lady that lived in the apartment is in the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.
well I meant peaople who died. There were reports of 2 than 4 than 2 again. I didn't know about the injured woman.

[Dog Town]

What a sad, strange story
Nov 18, 2006

When Cory Lidle was involved in a plane crash that took his life a friend that was supposed to be with him skipped that flight. Lidle is the New York Yankees pitcher that died when his plane slammed into an Upper East Side high rise in Manhattan in October.

Two men were killed in that crash but of course the man that skipped the flight was spared.

***

That man is Bob Cartwright. Cartwright was a friend of flight instructor Tyler Stanger, who also died with Lidle in the fiery crash when their single-engine Cirrus SR-20 crashed into the 30th floor of an apartment building on E. 72nd St.

In a sad twist of déjà vu, Cartwright has now perished in a plane crash.

***

According to the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin in California, Bob Cartwright and two other men died when their private plane crashed into the shoreline of Big Bear Lake, near Cartwright's mountain home in Sugarloaf, Calif.

The crash occurred shortly after takeoff from Big Bear Airport, reports the local paper, The Big Bear Grizzly.



Guess this poor guys number was up, least he got some extra time. Jeeze!

[NickUK]

Guess this poor guys number was up, least he got some extra time. Jeeze!

Gawd, that's harsh!

[monoman]

Aaah, finally, they got their intended target.

[delphi_ote]

Maybe it's not entirely appropriate, but I can't help but think of the Final Destination (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0195714/) series.