Noah's Ark Being Rebuilt

[Garrette]

I know it's claimed to have been rebuilt elsewhere, but I drive past this particular Noah's Ark rebuilding at least a few times a year for the past several years.

The website says construction began in 1976, but I have seen no progress on it beyond what is shown in the photo on the web. This despite the website claims that god has been providing all the building material required.

I'm also wondering where cement and steel are mentioned in the Biblical specs.

Finally, they mention the dimensions (450' x 75' x 45') as if it's enormous. I wonder how many container ships or naval vessels they've seen.

Which leads to my pointless questions: Do people such as this honestly convince themselves that they are doing something of value? Or that they are doing something that demonstrates biblical truth?

If so, how can they maintain the facade in the face of simple facts like gopher wood does not equal concrete and cement?

Website here: http://www.godsark.org/

[I less than three logic]

Rebuilt? :rolleyes:

[Freethinker]

If Noah could do it, why is it taking them so long?

[I less than three logic]

If Noah could do it, why is it taking them so long?
Probably just procrastinating. They don't have the motivation of knowing you'll drown soon if you don't finish. :D

[Tanstaafl]

WTF?

They're making a steel-framed building with a wood ship facade, and this is supposed to demonstrate...something?

Am I missing something?

[Marquis de Carabas]

I have a strange urge to procure the adjacent lot and build me a Tower of Babel.

[Tricky]

If Noah could do it, why is it taking them so long?
According to their site, they only build when they get a donation, i.e. they are not borrowing money. If you look at their construction pictures, they have only a tiny fraction completed. It could be a loooooong time. The architectural sketch is very impressive though.

[Tanstaafl]

I have a strange urge to procure the adjacent lot and build me a Tower of Babel.

I think a Center For Inquiry next door would be good.

[webfusion]

The Ark has already been reproduced ---
in miniature, at the Biblical Zoo, in Jerusalem.
http://www.snunit.k12.il/sachlav/zoo/english/upload/tour/noah.html

[logic]

How about a hospital for the mentally insane!!

[H'ethetheth]

And of course, there's this loony in the Netherlands building one with more authentic materials. However, the thing will be one third the size and unable to float, so it's going to be towed on a barge and function as a silly bible theme park.

It's mostly in Dutch, but it has some nice pictures and an English movie. (http://www.arkvannoach.com/)

[Ladewig]

WTF?

They're making a steel-framed building with a wood ship facade, and this is supposed to demonstrate...something?

Am I missing something?


It is supposed to demonstrate God's love for mankind. Of course, the irony of using Noah's Ark (a symbol of God's killing 99.999 % of the world's population) as a symbol of God's love appears to be lost on this man.

I am also surprised that a preacher would ignore Luke 14:28 - 29

For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

[triadboy]

Wasn't there only one window on the original Ark? That really ups the stench factor.

[Darth Rotor]

If so, how can they maintain the facade in the face of simple facts like gopher wood does not equal concrete and cement?

Website here: http://www.godsark.org/
If they wanted to do this right, they'd have gotten ahold of Bill Cosby. "What's a cubit?"

As to dimensions, I think the keel is longer than a clipper ship's.

IIRC, Nelson's Victory is not as long as this ark.

DR

[Ysidro]

Hey guys. First post and I'm making it to the Religion and Philosophy forum. I must be crazy.

Anyway, I used to live down there and I've passed the "Ark" many a time. It really is just a skeleton of a ship right now. Kind of sad really.

[snooziums]

Why is there an image of Jesus on the front page of their site? Jesus was not born until about 3,000 - 2,000 years after the ark was "built," according to Bible history.

And why does the ark have a pointed bow and a sloped roof? I thought the "original" one was supposed to be rectangle, like a barge?

Once completed, the Ark will house a Christian school, Bible college, 1,500 seat auditorium, conference facilities, a Noah’s Ark historical room, counseling center, and facilities for radio and television.

Darn, I had no idea that those were on the "original" ark. I must have missed something.

...was to be built as a sign to the world of God’s love and the soon return of Jesus!

Yay! Jesus's love involves drowning people, what fun!

Night after night in April, May and June of 1974, Pastor Richard Greene had a vision in which he saw a large ark located on a hillside and people coming from all over the world to see it.

A bit too much weed or something?

Steel reinforcement rod was needed and God spoke to a man to donate it.

God never speaks to anyone about donating to needy causes, I guess.

Oh well...

As they said on their site: "God loves you" (as he brings about the end times and destroys us all).

[Darth Rotor]

As they said on their site: "God loves you" (as he brings about the end times and destroys us all).
Tough love, perhaps, on a cosmic scale.

DR

[Marquis de Carabas]

Tough love, perhaps, on a cosmic scale.

DR
Revelation 6:1 (CarabasCorp Revised Version)

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder: Behold, this shalt hurt me, yea, more than thee it shall hurt.

[Mercutio]

Their own drawings show that a giraffe can't fit through the door.


Myth busted...

[GregC]

I didn't know that Noah was a big hoops fan (http://www.godsark.org/html/image24.html). I think a half court would have been big enough for a game of 2 on 2 or even a coed game of 4 on 4.

[Ipecac]

Odd that this should come up. I just drove by this thing for the first time the other day. It's pretty silly, especially since it's unlikely to ever be finished. Guess god isn't that interested in it.

[Marc L]

I'm also wondering where cement and steel are mentioned in the Biblical specs.


From the website:

God told Pastor Greene to build his congregation’s new church as a replica of Noah’s Ark.

(emphasis mine) It's not a rebuilding, it's a replica. It doesn't have to be of the same materials any more than a model airplane needs to run on jet fuel.

Marc

[Beerina]

With all due respect, your complaints about their slowness are falling on deaf ears. IIRC, it took Noah over a hundred years to finish the ark.

So if they started in '76, they've got a good 70 years to go before even suggesting they're being slow about it.

[Garrette]

Rebuilt?Okay. You caught me.

I have a strange urge to procure the adjacent lot and build me a Tower of Babel.You're too late. There are forums that qualify.


As to dimensions, I think the keel is longer than a clipper ship's.

IIRC, Nelson's Victory is not as long as this ark. You could probably fit two or three Victory's in it, but that doesn't change my point. 350 feet long is big but not the biggest and no longer impressive.

Unless you open it up and find dinosaurs.

It is supposed to demonstrate God's love for mankind. Well, maybe his love for people driving on I-68.

Hey guys. First post and I'm making it to the Religion and Philosophy forum. I must be crazy.We don't need your kind here.

Anyway, I used to live down there and I've passed the "Ark" many a time. It really is just a skeleton of a ship right now. Kind of sad really.Have faith and give them money.

Their own drawings show that a giraffe can't fit through the door.


Myth busted...Dude, if yhwh can fit dinosaurs on there he can certainly fold up a measly giraffe small enough to fit on the shelf over the captain's bunk.

Odd that this should come up. I just drove by this thing for the first time the other day. It's pretty silly, especially since it's unlikely to ever be finished. Guess god isn't that interested in it.You guys are gonna be sorry when I am allowed to board on the day of the rains.

It's not a rebuilding, it's a replica. It doesn't have to be of the same materials any more than a model airplane needs to run on jet fuel.You may or may not be using an accurate definition of "replica", but context shows that the pastor does not intend it that way. He envisions thousands of people from across the globe coming to visit the sign of god's love. A plastic mock-up with stinky glue won't accomplish that.

[Marc L]

You may or may not be using an accurate definition of "replica",

From dictionary.com

A copy or reproduction, especially one on a scale smaller than the original.

but context shows that the pastor does not intend it that way. He envisions thousands of people from across the globe coming to visit the sign of god's love. A plastic mock-up with stinky glue won't accomplish that.

Granted. I'm not reading the context as you are, either. I see him as having said that this will be a church, not an actual boat. If this is true, then it makes sense that there will be concrete involved.

Marc

[firecoins]

I know it's claimed to have been rebuilt elsewhere, but I drive past this particular Noah's Ark rebuilding at least a few times a year for the past several years.

The website says construction began in 1976, but I have seen no progress on it beyond what is shown in the photo on the web. This despite the website claims that god has been providing all the building material required.

I'm also wondering where cement and steel are mentioned in the Biblical specs.

Finally, they mention the dimensions (450' x 75' x 45') as if it's enormous. I wonder how many container ships or naval vessels they've seen.

Which leads to my pointless questions: Do people such as this honestly convince themselves that they are doing something of value? Or that they are doing something that demonstrates biblical truth?

If so, how can they maintain the facade in the face of simple facts like gopher wood does not equal concrete and cement?

Website here: http://www.godsark.org/

Why is God rebuilding it? Did he get a no bid contract and what is his relation to the Carlyle Group, James Baker and George W. Bush?

[Garrette]

From dictionary.comI really wasn't questioning your use; it's just that since I didn't consider it relevant to the point I didn't bother to look it up.

Granted. I'm not reading the context as you are, either. I see him as having said that this will be a church, not an actual boat. If this is true, then it makes sense that there will be concrete involved.Okay, I can see that.

Re-looking at the site, I think he's illogically mixing the two. The purpose is the church; the media is the ark. If he thinks an ark-looking building will impress people the world over, he's bonkers.

ETA: When you drive by the site, you see a big sign that says (from memory):

Noah's Ark Being Rebuilt Here!

Nothing about a church. Hence my bias that that's what he's doing.

[snooziums]

I didn't know that Noah was a big hoops fan (http://www.godsark.org/html/image24.html). I think a half court would have been big enough for a game of 2 on 2 or even a coed game of 4 on 4.

And elevators. After all, those animals tend to be kind of lazy.

Makes be want to re-build Babylon, just to tick those Christians off. Yes, nothing like a huge "heathen" replica t add to the landscape.

It would probably look nicer anyways.

[Garrette]

And elevators. After all, those animals tend to be kind of lazy.

Makes be want to re-build Babylon, just to tick those Christians off. Yes, nothing like a huge "heathen" replica t add to the landscape.

It would probably look nicer anyways.Already being done. In Babylon.

It's a shame, too, because Saddam did it to glorify himself and to get tourists, not to preserve anything. Much of the old city has been built over with gleaming new (in the old style) walls.

Still, much of the old ruins are there.

I don't know if there are pics on the net, but I have several at home, some digital and some not, including one of me standing near the famous lion of Babylon statue.

[Ashles]

Steel reinforcement rod was needed and God spoke to a man to donate it.
I can honestly say I never expected to read that sentence in my lifetime.

[Ashles]

Here's a quiz boys and girls. Can anyone spot the problem with this little scenario?

http://www.godsark.org/html/Slide011.jpg

[Garrette]

Here's a quiz boys and girls. Can anyone spot the problem with this little scenario?

http://www.godsark.org/html/Slide011.jpg
Those trees aren't indigenous to the Middle East?

[snooziums]

Here's a quiz boys and girls. Can anyone spot the problem with this little scenario?

How many boats have glass doors in the lower parts of their hull? Will provide nice scenery for a while, until the glass breaks under pressure.

Also, the hull is seen as round or curved, yet the doors are square-ish. Am optical illusion, or a poorly designed hull that will create all kinds of water resistance.

[Garrette]

I'm not sure the doors are glass as opposed to just gray.

Regardless, it's rather nice that Noah thought to build the patio and deck replete with wood for the barbecue. It will make the celebration upon beaching on Ararat that much more comfy and rustic.

ETA: Actually, I want to know why the grass is cut off so sharply, what the area is that's bordering it, and what the giraffes' walkway is made of.

[Marquis de Carabas]

More importantly, look at all those bales of coke! That's enough for a 40 day party.

Kids! Don't Do Drugs!

[CFLarsen]

Emma Mærsk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_M%C3%A6rsk) is currently the largest container ship ever built.

You do the math. Not a chance that two of each species can fit on one of those babies...

According to their site, they only build when they get a donation, i.e. they are not borrowing money. If you look at their construction pictures, they have only a tiny fraction completed. It could be a loooooong time. The architectural sketch is very impressive though.

Yeah, but...if they are waiting for a flood, isn't it kinda risky to wait for donations? ;)

[H3LL]

I have a strange urge to procure the adjacent lot and build me a Tower of Babel.

Populate it with "Evil Ducks".*





*Eddie Izzard Reference.

[Ladewig]

And elevators. After all, those animals tend to be kind of lazy.

Makes me want to re-build Babylon, just to tick those Christians off.


What a great idea for a Las Vegas themed casino.

[Earthborn]

Emma Mærsk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_M%C3%A6rsk) is currently the largest container ship ever built.

You do the math. Not a chance that two of each species can fit on one of those babies...Can it hold two of each of 8 000 kinds (http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/animals.asp)?

[AWPrime]

And of course, there's this loony in the Netherlands building one with more authentic materials. However, the thing will be one third the size and unable to float, so it's going to be towed on a barge and function as a silly bible theme park.

It's mostly in Dutch, but it has some nice pictures and an English movie. (http://www.arkvannoach.com/)
Yes we still have some fundies here, but we are planning on shipping the remaining ones to the US, like we did in the past.

[a_unique_person]

Started in '74? I'm willing to lay down money he doesnt' get it finished before he dies.

[CFLarsen]

Can it hold two of each of 8 000 kinds (http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/animals.asp)?

Define "kind".

Explain how you defined it.

:p

[Zep]

I would start driving animals, two by two if you must, into his yard starting now. No other "support infrastructure" like food or stable materials, just the animals. And I'd start with the skunks first. Then elephants. Then mice. Then cats. Then...oh, porcupines? No, raccoons!

[Ysidro]

Have faith and give them money.



Do I have to? I was going to save my money and build myself a pyramid. Then charge for newagers to come to it and "feel" the vibrations.

Insert your own joke there.

[I less than three logic]

Do I have to? I was going to save my money and build myself a pyramid. Then charge for newagers to come to it and "feel" the vibrations.

Insert your own joke there.
I’m far too lazy to be inserting jokes into other’s posts. It is almost too much work to insert them into my own.

Welcome to the forum btw. :D

[davefoc]

Woo Hoo, another JREF Noah's Ark thread.

Can it get any better? I thought not, but now a Noah's Ark thread with a contribution from Earthborn. This is good.

I had envisioned Earthborn as having been something of a secular humanist type person. Probably college educated in some sort of social science with a career in some sort of social service.

But now I see I have missed the mark entirely. She is a fundy. And now that we know that a Noah's Ark replica is being built in the Netherlands could anybody else be doing it except Earthborn? In my new envisionment of Earthborn I see her leading the faithful in her Noah's Ark Replica talking about the firmament and what clean and unclean animals are. Maybe she's even got a Dutch TV show like we have in America where she's got a chalk board and nifty drawings of the pink sky and diagrams of where all the water came from and went to. I wonder if she's got pink hair like the lady on one of our local holy roller shows. This image is just getting better and better.

[NobbyNobbs]

Can it hold two of each of 8 000 kinds (http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/animals.asp)?


My favorite selections from this site..

However, turbulent water would cause massive carnage, as seen in the fossil record, and many oceanic species probably did become extinct because of the Flood.

Bolding mine.

So, they have no problem accepting the fossil record.....and they have no problem accepting the Bible. How do they reconcile this?

And then there's this one:
if we follow the principle that ‘Scripture interprets Scripture’,

...which pretty much explains most of what's wrong with religion.

[I less than three logic]

After reading the page that was behind the link in Earthborn's post, I thought the post was meant as one of those sarcastic jokes that are so obvious they don't require a smiley. Was I mistaken in this interpretation? :confused:

[snooziums]

Can it hold two of each of 8 000 kinds (http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/animals.asp)?

Have you seen the home page of that site? It has a picture of someone point a loaded revolver right at the viewer and saying "If you do not matter to God, you do not matter to anyone."

What the heck kind of answer is that?

Also, in their "articles" on where Cain got his wife from, they admitted that se really was one of his sisters, but since they were descended from Adam and Eve, they were more pure than now, so it was okay.

[Freethinker]

Here's a quiz boys and girls. Can anyone spot the problem with this little scenario?

http://www.godsark.org/html/Slide011.jpg

The giraffes will simply lower their heads and stick them up their butts. After reading the site, I think there are plenty of people around who can demonstrate for them. They will then be able to easily board.

[Darth Rotor]

Yeah, but...if they are waiting for a flood, isn't it kinda risky to wait for donations? ;)
I guess they are waiting for a flood of donations . . . otherwise they may have to float a loan. *bah dump, tshh!!*

I'll be here til Tuesday, remember to tip your waitress.

ETA: Sarfati sighting, it is his byline on the link to "8000 kind." I read his book "Refuting Compromise." Sarfati argues that Christians should not try to reconcile with scientists.

*shakes head* He is slowly boxing himself in.

DR

[Ladewig]

Can it hold two of each of 8 000 kinds (http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/animals.asp)?

What a strange, strange place. I considered buying a polo shirt from them just for the ironic value but at $35.00 a pop, I decided that I didn't want to support them. I do like the page describing the neckties which states, "No, this is not a clip-on tie."

As for the content, when I got as far as the explanation of how Noah brough very, very young dinosaurs on the ark so space was not a problem, I just gave up.

[snooziums]

As for the content, when I got as far as the explanation of how Noah brough very, very young dinosaurs on the ark so space was not a problem, I just gave up.

But, if dinosaurs were on the ark, then how did they became extinct?

Oh, but you missed the cartoons directed at kids saying: "Bandages, medicines, operations, doctors, and nurses make you think of what kind of place?"... the answer is"A sin cursed world!"

Or another cartoon that states: "If you are going to have a creature in your Easter celebration, make sure it is a serpent and not a bunny!"

And these are directed at kids. What a way to scare them to death.

[Marc L]

Define "kind".

Explain how you defined it.

:p

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kind

I looked it up on dictionary.com.

Ask a smart*** question, get a smart*** answer :p

Marc