WHAT is going on over at LC?

[bignickel]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16513
posted by JohnDohX
Russ helped get Chris Bollyn fired?

WTF Russ???? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!@!!!??

posted by Russell Pickering
Nice attack but you will see a good lesson here. Read on! Like I said, I am open to any challenge of my integrity. Take the challenge.

Full Documentation follows. Merc also helped to debunk Sam Danner so you may want to talk with him too.

Christopher Bollyn got himself fired and this all happened before his arrest. Facts again are important.

I'm not sure what's going on in the thread, but it looks completely odd. Since it's JohnDoh doing the attacking, I'm tentatively throwing all support behind Russell. For whatever it was. Haven't figured out what yet.

[defaultdotxbe]

Chris Bollyn has had his employment terminated. A certain Mr Piper and WingTV with Mr Pickering linked, have, according my source, caused to effect, by labling Mr Bollyn a liar, brought about his dismissal from his employment, and that he deserved it.
thats gotta be one of the most convoluted sentences ive ever read

it looks like when bollyn got fired russ said he deserved, and now JDX thinks that russ got him fired

[eeyore1954]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16513




I'm not sure what's going on in the thread, but it looks completely odd. Since it's JohnDoh doing the attacking, I'm tentatively throwing all support behind Russell. For whatever it was. Haven't figured out what yet.

It looks as if JohnDOe immediately attacked him as guilty in the second post instead of finding out the facts.

[Brainache]

It looks as if JohnDOe immediately attacked him as guilty in the second post instead of finding out the facts.

What??? Johnny going off half cocked? Never! He's all about THE FACTS!

[jhunter1163]

Can someone post the fun over here for the LC-impaired?

[Zep]

Yeppers - This is really coming in at the punchline.

[Peephole]

Nice attack but you will see a good lesson here. Read on! Like I said, I am open to any challenge of my integrity. Take the challenge.

Full Documentation follows. Merc also helped to debunk Sam Danner so you may want to talk with him too.

Christopher Bollyn got himself fired and this all happened before his arrest. Facts again are important.
__________________________________________________ __________________

This all started when Eric Hufschmidt turned that "witness" Sam Danner over to Bollyn. Email Eric here and ask him to release the almost 2 hour interview with me that he won't disclose where he attacked Dylan as a Zionist backed op. PainfulQuestions@aol.com I challenge you to do that and post it here for ALL to hear!!!!!!

Out of concern for the Pentagon investigation I contacted all parties involved including Christopher. He ignored me and others to proceed. In the end, the story was proven to be false. But in the process Eric Hufschmid and others promoted me as a government agent including Christopher himself.

Christopher went off all on his own. I had personal phone calls with him and can say this first hand.

Instead of admitting he had been deceived and retracting the information, it was being implied that maybe even his arrest story had something to do with Danner and a deep plot. It was not. So now WING TV, Michael Collins Piper, myself and American Free Press are all agents?

NO - Daryl Bradford Smith, Eric Hufschmidt and now Christopher have spun themselves into their own world that is making the whole world an enemy.

My opinion is that Christopher was assisted in his spin out of credibility and he walked right into it despite warnings.

I tried in total support of Christopher to help him not be deceived by conspiracy theorists just like I do here. READ IT ALL and the associated links before you speak further. The go and read all of the Danner threads on this forum. It will be a very good example of my intentions and what happens when facts are not acknowledged.


Here is some history:

http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/danner2.html

http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/danner.html

http://www.erichufschmid.net/SamDanner8Aug2006.html (http://www.erichufschmid.net/SamDanner8Aug2006.html) (For real insanity read the links to the other 3 pages of this.)

Last nights Piper report: http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Piper06.html
I tried in total support of Christopher to help him not be deceived by conspiracy theorists just like I do here.
Russ, you talk down about CTist as if it is an attack. YOU are one of the biggest CTer's here with your physical damage theory to include your remote control airplane.


puhlease....

I dont offer theory just on this fact alone. But i dont judge others if they do come up with a theory. Its human nature when not given answers.

You might think twice about talking down to a "conspiracy theorist" considering the company you are in.


Great.

When Christopher calls invite him here to discuss this in public.

I want the truth known.

Or ask him if he will go on a show with me or have Eric record a conversation.

I want to make this a test for all of you to observe.

I don't regard but a few people here "hard core conspiracy theorists". I am clear about that!!

I'm confused now - am I a representative of the official story or a conspiracy theorist?

You see in just one day all I have done is ask for the truth.

1) I can prove and back my claims in response to attacks on myself.
2) There will be no open debate.
3) I guess we will not know the truth about the deleted thread.

See what I mean??

You have proven just what i told you before it all happened...

1. No one has attacked you. It is fact you omit/spin/ignore facts to "fit" or prove govt theory.

2. I told you JREFers arent welcome here. I told you where the threads are for debate including my site and the simple rules. You seem to defend them but either

a. Dont know much about their tactics..
or b. know all about their tactics and that is why you invited them.

3. I recall the deleted thread very well. I recall many things very well. I dont ask you the same questions over and over because i dont have a memory problem. I do not recall what you seem "remember" in that thread (one of the few times i seen Russ actually remember something, but i dont)

Again Russ.. just in case you forgot.. deleted threads cannot be brought back... http://67.15.129.139/html/emoticons/smile.gif

Crazy stuff.

[Gravy]

I don't get it. When did the AFP develop standards of journalistic integrity?

[Donal]

So, they are turning on each other?

[60hzxtl]

Quick! Call the Hardley Boys! Maybe they'll get a clue!

[DavidJames]

So, they are turning on each other?
No, it's pretty much everyone against Russell. He has the audacity to suggest a plane hit the Pentagon.

[Brainache]

So what was this Bollyn character arrested for?

[Mancman]

So what was this Bollyn character arrested for?

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2725/bollyn1nk2.jpg

[TheGrunion]

No, it's pretty much everyone against Russell. He has the audacity to suggest a plane hit the Pentagon.

Actually, both the number of contributors and lurkers in the Pentagon forum has dramatically decreased. Its pretty much a ghost town, with the exception of JDX and three or four others butting heads with Russell.

The LC admins competely wrecked their community on the Pentagon forum. How much fun can it be for the same four guys to give each other thumbs-up smilies?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2725/bollyn1nk2.jpg

HAHAHAHA! That is spitting distance from where I work (Arlington Hts.)

[negativ]

The LC admins competely wrecked their community on the Pentagon forum. How much fun can it be for the same four guys to give each other <strike>thumbs-up smilies</strike>raging clues?

Fixed. ;)

[Beleth]

Let me see if I have this straight.

Chris saw a suspicious car driving around his neighborhood.
He called the cops, and told them that the people in the car were FBI.
The cops came to his house in the car he reported, and Chris got so belligerent at them that they had to restrain and arrest him.

The boy needs help.

[Brainache]

Let me see if I have this straight.

Chris saw a suspicious car driving around his neighborhood.
He called the cops, and told them that the people in the car were FBI.
The cops came to his house in the car he reported, and Chris got so belligerent at them that they had to restrain and arrest him.

The boy needs help.

So the lesson here kids is: If you think the Feds are out to get you, it is probably not a good idea to call the cops to come and arrest them. Also if the cops that answer your call turn out to be the guys you thought were Feds, don't threaten to get your gun.

[Donal]

How about "Just don't threaten the cops"?

[Hellbound]

Confuscious say:

When two armed men backed up by authority of major world government are on front lawn...

Be polite.

[Crungy]

Could someone please give this noob the cliff notes bio on this Chris dude.

Good ol' Hoffman Estates, former home of Poplar Creek, which was a nice outdoor music venue back in the 80s. Too bad that they tore it down.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

What do you have to do to get fired from a nazi newspaper?

ETA: I may regret saying this, but a few things actually came to mind.

Racial mongrelization, "once you try black, you'll never go back".

Being a crypto-jew.

Heiling with the left hand (you know what they say about those kind of people).

[Brainache]

What do you have to do to get fired from a nazi newspaper?

From reading what Russell said above it looks like he started accusing the other nazis of being government agents or something. Who'da thunkit? A conspiraloon getting all paranoid.

[T.A.M.]

Could someone please give this noob the cliff notes bio on this Chris dude.

Good ol' Hoffman Estates, former home of Poplar Creek, which was a nice outdoor music venue back in the 80s. Too bad that they tore it down.

He was (recently fired) a writer, some think the only writer, for the web paper, American Free Press (created or owned by Willis Carto I believe). he is a 100% wacko 911 CTist.

Beyond that, don't know much.

[Crungy]

He was (recently fired) a writer, some think the only writer, for the web paper, American Free Press (created or woned by David Duke I believe). he is a 100% wacko 911 CTist.

Beyond that, don't know much.

Thanks. Glad to hear that Illinois' finest have taken care of him.

[fuelair]

I was going to say the usual bending over for each other - but this is more fun for someone who really wishes they would quit WOO.:D

[Brainster]

He was (recently fired) a writer, some think the only writer, for the web paper, American Free Press (created or owned by David Duke I believe).

Willis Carto, not that there's a dime's worth of difference between them.

[T.A.M.]

sorry, I stand corrected...lol...will go make the correction,.

TAM

[CurtC]

Let me see if I have this straight.

Chris saw a suspicious car driving around his neighborhood.
He called the cops, and told them that the people in the car were FBI.
The cops came to his house in the car he reported, and Chris got so belligerent at them that they had to restrain and arrest him.

The boy needs help.
Oh, that's only a small part of the story. That arrest record was posted after Bollyn started shooting his mouth off about it. (http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/911_investigative_journalist_chris_Bollyn_arrested _beaten.htm)
I was harassed, beaten, and shocked with a Tazer-like gun in my front yard before my wife and children, and then abused for 6 hours by the ADL-trained local police. I have every reason to believe it is because of my journalistic investigation into 9/11.

And it goes on and on. By "ADL-trained local police," I think he's referring to the Anti-Defamation League. As if the ADL is a sister organization to Mossad or something. Read his press release - it's hilarious to compare that to the police report.

[TheGrunion]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16736&view=findpost&p=7692434

(Bolding Mine)
This is a video game, but the HUD and sim effects are pretty accurate..Depending on the type of guided weapon, its very possible the attack on the pentagon was some type of bombing run with some type of MOAB.


Bombing run
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...mbing+run&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7168994964507596474&q=bombing+run&hl=en)

Bombing run?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzR-q0ijbV0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzR-q0ijbV0)


MOAB (dropped from high altitude at slow speed with a drag chute)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=59...05&q=moab&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5938002605435501105&q=moab&hl=en)


This is a MOAB that is obviously declassified. It is impossible to use this type due to the physical damage being alot larger. But this is just to give an idea of what these look like.


Picture also just to give an idea... not intended to show exact event or exact types of aircraft/ordinace used


All pure speculation of course..

Greatest. Post. Ever.

[DavidJames]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16736&view=findpost&p=7692434

(Bolding Mine)


Greatest. Post. Ever.I liked that thread so much I started a new one here dedicated to it (JDX - Watch the Nutter Crack :)

[Peephole]

He was (recently fired) a writer, some think the only writer, for the web paper, American Free Press (created or owned by Willis Carto I believe). he is a 100% wacko 911 CTist.

Beyond that, don't know much.

I think he's also the conspiracy theorist that came closest to something resembling research.

[CptColumbo]

Let me see if I have this straight.

Chris saw a suspicious car driving around his neighborhood.
He called the cops, and told them that the people in the car were FBI.
The cops came to his house in the car he reported, and Chris got so belligerent at them that they had to restrain and arrest him.

The boy needs help.

Apparently he assaulted them with an "Agg," whatever that is.

Perhaps an Aardvark egg.

;)

[W6102LA]

More hilarity going on in this thread....

http'//s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16760

arrrgh...haven't reached 15 posts yet so could someone fix the link ?

thanks :)

[CptColumbo]

More hilarity going on in this thread....

http'//s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16760

arrrgh...haven't reached 15 posts yet so could someone fix the link ?

thanks :)

In case no one has done it yet, welcome to the forum.

Many of us have been banned from the LC forum (including me), and are unable to view pages from there easily. If you could please summarize what is being said or provide a proxy link it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
MEB-SG

[W6102LA]

Alex Jones is now an FBI agent according to Killtown

Quote: And ya know, one way to be able to predict the 9/11 attacks the way he did was, ya know, being told about it !

lol

Damn, i can't even copy&paste :(

[Brainache]

Alex Jones is now an FBI agent according to Killtown

lol

Damn, i can't even copy&paste :(

Better not tell THX1138 he might explode.

Is this the end for the LC boards? All that comedy gold disappearing up its own....

[SwissSkeptic]

Heh, this is funny. :D

I recommend all of you to LISTEN to Wing's show today. Jones fits the profile of a cult leader. Ever wonder why he seems like he's on speed all the time?

I know, it's not my intention to start *****, but we must keep an eye out on our "leaders", JUST like we are doing with the leaders of our country.

I used to like Jones and loved his sites. I still go to his sites daily. But ever since he stiffed my 93 evidence in the MSM, I became suspicious and WING's show today just furthered my beliefs.

I've also always wondered why Jones all of a sudden took LC in with open arms when he usually shuns anything that talks about no plane at the Pentagon.


I hope I'm wrong about Jones, but listen to Wing's show and if you think it's a crock of *****, then I'll apologize to the forum for posting this.

Source (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16760&st=30)

[CptColumbo]

Alex Jones is now an FBI agent according to Killtown

Quote: And ya know, one way to be able to predict the 9/11 attacks the way he did was, ya know, being told about it !

lol

Damn, i can't even copy&paste :(

I don't normally use an emoticon, but
:jaw-dropp

It's really because I don't know how to create them. I had to hit quote to find out how to do this one.

Wow, I'm dumb.

[Blackadder_no]

One response:

i dont even care if hes a zionist or goverment agent, he still helps us and as long as he keeps doing that i dont have a problem with him

Sometimes (ok, most of the time) the way these people think is just... beyond words...

[W6102LA]

You mean after all this time, they still haven't provided anything to back their crazy claims?

Oh.....the irony :)

[CptColumbo]

One response:



Sometimes (ok, most of the time) the way these people think is just... beyond words...

I thought the South Park guys summed it up nicely by calling them retards.

[CptColumbo]

Oh.....the irony :)

Yes, sometimes irony can be pretty ironic. ;)

[Orphia Nay]

[retard hat]
Bollyn is the freethinking genius who wrote this masterpiece (http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_10_03/Controversy_Swirling/controversy_swirling.html) that was quoted in the esteemed Loose Change2E.
[/retard hat]

Read Gravy's Loose Change Guide's Pentagon section (http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg2.html) for analysis.

I just wish the guy from Boeing could have done his Buzz Aldrin in person.

[qarnos]

Geez, I found this exchange hilarious:

Stop stalking me for my personal information. Russ has just been suspended for that.

Suspended for what?

How the hell is this guy getting around his suspension?? can someone IP ban him please?

[mrfreeze]

See and now he will either be suspended until 2009, or banned for evading his suspension. Oh well, he will probably come to argue here when it happens.

[qarnos]

See and now he will either be suspended until 2009, or banned for evading his suspension. Oh well, he will probably come to argue here when it happens.

I don't think he was evading it... I think someone just forgot to push the "suspend" button!

[Mince]

To those who can't read the LC forum due to an IP ban:

Go here (http://proxy.org/), click on one of the proxies to the right, preferably one of the green ones at top. Then copy and paste the URL into the address bar provided. Problem solved.

[T.A.M.]

While I agree with Mackey's earlier comment, that this "spat" between RP and JDX has no impact on their contributions to the fallacy of the "truth", I do find it relivant to the evolvement/devolvement of the "truth" movement, and hence it becomes a point of personal iterest, rather than a point of debate.

ie. fun to watch.

TAM:D

[DavidJames]

I used to like Jones and loved his sites. I still go to his sites daily. But ever since he stiffed my 93 evidence in the MSM, I became suspicious and WING's show today just furthered my beliefs.This plays out time after time with CTists. If someone agrees, they are heros and friends but as soon as they disagree, they must be viewed with suspicion. Never look critically at the analysis and for petes sake, never look critically at your own.

Same thing is happening with Russell.

[TheGrunion]

While I agree with Mackey's earlier comment, that this "spat" between RP and JDX has no impact on their contributions to the fallacy of the "truth", I do find it relivant to the evolvement/devolvement of the "truth" movement, and hence it becomes a point of personal iterest, rather than a point of debate.

ie. fun to watch.

TAM:D

I feel the same way.

Further, from what little I know about him, JDX disgusts me as a person. This combined with the fact that the spat between the two is due to the fact that Russell believes that flight 77 hit the Pentagon allows me to take pleasure in seeing Russell getting the upper hand regarding this issue.

None of this means that I support any of Russell's other assertions (such as flight 77 was remote controlled).

[kevin]

the spat between jdx and pickering shows why the higher ups aren't stating theories, just "asking questions".

When it was "the big evil gov't did it" they both agreed. Once JDX staked out his theory (an overflying plane drops a bomb/cruise missle) and Pickering staked out his (remote control plane). They couldn't both be right so they are now enemies.

Holding the CTers to actually produce an alternate theory of what happened is the best way to split them.

Killtown knows that too since his job for the gov't is to divide the whole movement. That's why he accused Jones of being an FBI plant. Best way to divert attention from yourself -- accuse someone else.

[Dog Town]

Another comedy jewel by Do'h Boy@LC

I for one could not do one thing extra until i knew my site had the most up to date information first. Its called respect for your visitors, pride in your work, and discipline.

[T.A.M.]

I guess he is a "Proud Coward". He takes pride in his work, but sends a lackey over to make comments for him, rather than come over and debate himself.

We should rename him...JDX - the Proud Coward.

[Mince]

Never look critically at the analysis.

What say you? Never look critically at the analysis?

Balderdash!

Have a gander at this thread in which the astute physicists at LC give a comprehensive scientific analysis of melting steel and building performance.


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16797

[Alareth]

I think Killtown is unhappy that no one else will join him in trying to make Val Mcclatchey seem like the most evil person since Hilter.

[stateofgrace]

Posted by Johnny boy
Bumped for Logic..



:dl:

[Crungy]

What say you? Never look critically at the analysis?

Balderdash!

Have a gander at this thread in which the astute physicists at LC give a comprehensive scientific analysis of melting steel and building performance.


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16797

Here's another gem.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16119&st=60

Most of people who own human brain would think airplane couldn’t make molten iron therefore it make sense at Pentagon.

:confused:

[qarnos]

Here's another gem.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16119&st=60



:confused:

From the same thread:

We do not see any impact damage on landing gears so that they did not hit anything.

:bwall

[Dog Town]

I think Killtown is unhappy that no one else will join him in trying to make Val Mcclatchey seem like the most evil person since Hilter.

I mean it's like, he was old enough... to be denied by her, in a bar!
"Bitter... Table For One"!

[Mince]

Here's another gem.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16119&st=60



:confused:


I love the confines of their arguments. "What hit the Pentagon? A Global Hawk or a Missile?" This is equivalent to me asking someone:

"Did you like it when you licked my a'ss? Yes or No?"

"But I didn't lick your a'ss."

It's a yes or no question, god damnit! Answer it!"

[qarnos]

I love the confines of their arguments. "What hit the Pentagon? A Global Hawk or a Missile?" This is equivalent to me asking someone:

"Did you like it when you licked my a'ss? Yes or No?"

"But I didn't lick your a'ss."

It's a yes or no question, god damnit! Answer it!"

Hmmm... Interesting... analogy!

[TheGrunion]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16513&view=findpost&p=7721969

Bolding is mine.


Now if you look at my name to the left you can see that I have been de-admined.

This is in retaliation and part of the struggle that is going on here.

I only ask everybody to truly examine the source and origin of the attacks and instigation. Some people are so upset that there is talk of having the boards shut down. This is truly based on ego and not a respect for the truth of 9/11. I hope it is obvious to all of you.

When this is all over just really examine what is going on. I am being 100% candid and open here to reconcile and save this forum. But there are forces operating behind the scenes to go so far as to shut it down.

WHY?

Read between the lines please.

[uk_dave]

I hate reading between the lines...it's normally just white space.

[TheGrunion]

:jaw-dropp
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16513&view=findpost&p=7722605


Russell Pickering, and the entire loose change forum membership:

Not wanting the situation to be misrepresented by mr pickering, i will give you a brief summary of this weekends events.

Mr pickering violated Invision's terms of use, #3.1, sections B and L. After Lenghty debate i suspended mr pickering for his violation (as did a few othe rpeople, at the same time) in order to prevent this rules violation from jeopardizing this forum. Furthermore after being suspended, amdins ( i was only a mod ) Banned mr pickering. This was to prevent him from acting out his threats of revealing another members personal information thru invisions forum or PM system on this board. Mr pickerings suspension and ban had abcolutely NOTHING to do with his opinions regarding his pentagon research or anyone elses pentagon research. For example, Myself being the person who initial suspended him, I have no solid belief regarding what happened at the pentagon. What he may represent as the reason for his suspension and banning are in fact NON FACTORS in those decisions.


During the process of debating mr pickering's fate, many memmebrs of the LC forum staff made SEVERAL attempts to contact the board's owner, dylan avery, whom neglected to respond to requests for his input for several days. Please note he was able to come online and post in the 'south park tackles 9/11" thread during this time but chose to ignore the staff. As a result, the decision was made to remove mr pickernig from the board in an attempt to prevent the board form possibly being shut down by Invision. Apparently, this made mr avery very, very angry.

What followed was mr. avery de-modding myself, and de-adminning 2 admins, only one of which was directly involved with removing mr pickering. This was accompanied by a message to the staff which was regarded by all of us as One Gigantic Insult. Also, mr pickering was made an admin, which is a ringing endorsement of mr. pickerings threats against another member. Again, the staff of the LC forum pleaded with mr avery for audience, and none was given altho mr avery continued to post in the "south park 9/11" thread.

Frustrated by the uniformed and reckless decisions of mr avery, pretty much all of the active staff of mods and admins that used to keep this board free of trolls and other undesirable attackers have resigned. These people's contributions to mr avery's forum, from research, organization, and day to day maintenence, have gone completely unnoticed and unthanked by mr avery himself. It may nopt be obvious to regular members of this forum, but Hours and hours of work research support and advertising have been supplied by these staff members. They were the glue that held this forum together. They are now gone. Furthermore the victim of mr pickerings threats has reported in great detail the nature of his threats to Invision, and furthermore mr avery;s action demonstrate that he condones and endorses these obvious violations of invisions rules.

The result? This forum now has next to no staff, and i am sure upon logging in the remaining staff will see what has occured and also resign. The impact this will have on the forum will not be a positive one, as we are under constant attack from all sorts of troublemakers who will now proceed unfettered. Furthermore, Given the nature of the events and the direct violation of invisions TOS by the owner of the forum himself, it is likely that invision will be taking serious corrective action, perhaps removing this forum altogether.


My apologies for any spelling mistakes, i am a horrible typist, and this post was made with great haste. I feel given Mr pickerings recent misrepresentation of what has occured, that you the members of this forum deserved to be informed of actual events.

regardless of the outcome of this, please keep searching for the truth. If you are new here, please don;t take this as a representation of our movement. Every group has bad apples, every person makes horrible mistakes. Here on the LC forums, these two things have combined with disatrous results.


-HDB



:D

[stateofgrace]

:jaw-dropp
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16513&view=findpost&p=7722605



:D

Guess Dylan was to busy basking in his new found fame from SP to notice his forum is imploding.

:dl:

[qarnos]

Frustrated by the uniformed and reckless decisions of mr avery, pretty much all of the active staff of mods and admins that used to keep this board free of trolls and other undesirable attackers have resigned.

Door's open, boys! :D

[W6102LA]

Door's open, boys! :D

I'm already in :)

[R.Mackey]

The result? This forum now has next to no staff, and i am sure upon logging in the remaining staff will see what has occured and also resign. The impact this will have on the forum will not be a positive one, as we are under constant attack from all sorts of troublemakers who will now proceed unfettered. Furthermore, Given the nature of the events and the direct violation of invisions TOS by the owner of the forum himself, it is likely that invision will be taking serious corrective action, perhaps removing this forum altogether.

For the record, I've never posted a thing at Loose Change, never registered, read it only once in a while, and only then when one of their adherents comes over here and I need to find some background. But in those few reads, I thought that the author of the words above seemed pretty reasonable, all things considered.

For those of you now venturing over there, just remember that we don't have to be trouble-makers. Ultimately this will be counter-productive. We criticize them, and rightly so, when they refuse to engage in constructive debate, sinking instead to endless repetition and flooding our forum (SBrown / jenabell comes to mind). Let's not be hypocrites, and be on our best behavior.

Remember, the vast majority of people over there are simply misled. Some are in it for the money, some are clinical, but many others are just pissed off and not being given the whole story. The only way we're going to quash these idiotic theories, and stop the Joneses and Killtowns of the world from harassing the innocent and trampling on graves of the fallen, is to teach them. Arrogance does not teach.

This is a critical moment for many of them. They can see the hypocrisy of their own members apparent in the power struggle, and even Avery himself blamed for misdeeds. Let's not make ourselves out to be another part of the problem, but part of the solution.

[T.A.M.]

House of cards, and a fragile deck it is.

TAM

[T.A.M.]

For the record, I've never posted a thing at Loose Change, never registered, read it only once in a while, and only then when one of their adherents comes over here and I need to find some background. But in those few reads, I thought that the author of the words above seemed pretty reasonable, all things considered.

For those of you now venturing over there, just remember that we don't have to be trouble-makers. Ultimately this will be counter-productive. We criticize them, and rightly so, when they refuse to engage in constructive debate, sinking instead to endless repetition and flooding our forum (SBrown / jenabell comes to mind). Let's not be hypocrites, and be on our best behavior.

Remember, the vast majority of people over there are simply misled. Some are in it for the money, some are clinical, but many others are just pissed off and not being given the whole story. The only way we're going to quash these idiotic theories, and stop the Joneses and Killtowns of the world from harassing the innocent and trampling on graves of the fallen, is to teach them. Arrogance does not teach.

This is a critical moment for many of them. They can see the hypocrisy of their own members apparent in the power struggle, and even Avery himself blamed for misdeeds. Let's not make ourselves out to be another part of the problem, but part of the solution.


Well said.

TAM:clap:

[LashL]

Well said.

TAM:clap:

Seconded.

[W6102LA]

Well said.

TAM:clap:

I 2nd 3rd that :)

[stateofgrace]

I 4th that, besides I am banned anyway.

[Dog Town]

Is it my proxy, or are there no mods, or admins now?

ETA:Never mind I see a few. Some of the usual suspects seem to be no longer demi-gods!

[DavidJames]

Is it my proxy, or are their no mods, or admins now?Frustrated by the uniformed and reckless decisions of mr avery, pretty much all of the active staff of mods and admins that used to keep this board free of trolls and other undesirable attackers have resigned

The sound you hear is LC imploding from a uncontrolled demolition

Also, not much different then when the teacher leaves their 6th graders alone for more then a few minutes.

[Dog Town]

Might be time to re-register, and help give it a "pull"!

[CptColumbo]

I had a feeling the lack of a cohesive theory between them would cause their breakup, and establishment of their own sites. I didn't see DA apparently becoming bored with his own site.

[T.A.M.]

I think it is his false sense of self-importance in this world. How can you expect a star like Dylan to have time for the little underling fans. I mean, yes he might sign a few autographs for them, but he has got bigger fish to fry.

LOL

TAM

[CptColumbo]

Some members, who don't have their own sites, are going to be very lost.

I almost feel sorry for them...almost.

[StoneWT]

I think it is his false sense of self-importance in this world. How can you expect a star like Dylan to have time for the little underling fans. I mean, yes he might sign a few autographs for them, but he has got bigger fish to fry.

LOL

TAM


Well, policing the boards equals work. The point of LC is for Dylan to do as little work as possible. He's probably making the incredible sum of $15 or $20 an hour with the t-shirts and videos. Factor in the free nights at various pads and food.

He knows the people on his board are full of bovine excrement. If Dylan takes an active role in policing it, he'll be called for supporting various theories. He'll claim that he was trying to step back and let the board govern itself.

Don't expect the movement to last much beyond this year. The BIG 5th anniversary happened and they received stiff mockings. The cult members want miracles and Dylan boy has nothing left in his sack of presents.

[Gravy]

What followed was mr. avery de-modding myself, and de-adminning 2 admins, only one of which was directly involved with removing mr pickering. This was accompanied by a message to the staff which was regarded by all of us as One Gigantic Insult.
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16513&view=findpost&p=7722605

My new favorite term for the "Truth Movement!"

[qarnos]

I think Dylan is a little disillusioned with his own forums.

He set them up as a place for people to hang onto his every word like some kind of messiah and so he can tell them when to buy his next DVD.

Now he's annoyed that people like JDX have hijacked it and are using it to promote their own theories.

[stateofgrace]

Man,those guys just keep tearing each other apart.Here’s killtown accusing Alex Jones of being a cult leader and a speed freak.( It seems Jones wasn't too keen on killtowns smoke plume theory)


I recommend all of you to LISTEN to Wing's show today. Jones fits the profile of a cult leader. Ever wonder why he seems like he's on speed all the time?


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16760

[Brainache]

Man,those guys just keep tearing each other apart.Here’s killtown accusing Alex Jones of being a cult leader and a speed freak.( It seems Jones wasn't too keen on killtowns smoke plume theory)



http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16760

I think Killtown is stealing my material! I posted a few times about that. Hmmm.

[T.A.M.]

I think there will be a little resurgence around the launch of LC:FC, but then the crush will be when the DEMs get in, in 2008. After that, we will have little left to debate about...lol

TAM

[Checkmite]

I think Killtown is stealing my material! I posted a few times about that. Hmmm.

Gravy, while not explicitly accusing Mr. Jones of any sort of drug use, did mention once in this forum that his (Jones's) behavior and mannerisms seemed rather - accelerated, in a sense.

[american793]

Alright Gentlemen What are the questions concerning me? There is alot of Lying and Deception going on here about me and My son and Eric Hufshimd and Gods knows what else. I was at the Pentagon and I saw what I saw. I have ben threatened by the Goverment,My son has been Hasseled ,so Mates the buck stops here. Bring it on.
Samuel DavidDanner
Hagerstown Maryland.

[Mr. Skinny]

Alright Gentlemen What are the questions concerning me? There is alot of Lying and Deception going on here about me and My son and Eric Hufshimd and Gods knows what else. I was at the Pentagon and I saw what I saw. I have ben threatened by the Goverment,My son has been Hasseled ,so Mates the buck stops here. Bring it on.
Samuel DavidDanner
Hagerstown Maryland.
Sam,

Welcome to the forum.

I no longer visit the LC forum, so could you provide a synopsis of what the controversy is for those of us not in the know?

[Gravy]

Welcome, Sam.

To what lying and deception are you referring?

[maccy]

Yes, welcome Sam.

As far as I can see, this thread doesn't discuss you at all. It is about Chris Bollyn and the subsequent fall out on the Loose Change board that led to it being shut down.

The only place your name is mentioned is in a quote from a post by Russell Pickering on the Loose Change board. Quoted here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1997865#post1997865

Nobody from this forum has directly said anything about you in this thread.

I'm quite baffled by your post.

[Gravy]

May I suggest starting a new thread for this topic, Sam? Just click the "New Thread" button at the top left of the window, type in a title, and proceed.

[Bell]

Did this thread just got bumped? Or is the same thing at LC happening all over again? :confused:

[Gravy]

Did this thread just got bumped? Or is the same thing at LC happening all over again? :confused:Seems to be a new topic up for discussion. Start with post 88.

[A W Smith]

maybe its time this thread got locked

[Bell]

Seems to be a new topic up for discussion. Start with post 88.

I have no idea who Sam Danner is or what he did or not did?

BTW, I was referring to the last LC implosion - or controlled demolition - or whatever you want to call it ;)



ETA: What the hell? I thought this was a new thread, started today... duh... :boxedin:

[apathoid]

I have no idea who Sam Danner is or what he did or not did?

BTW, I was referring to the last LC implosion - or controlled demolition - or whatever you want to call it ;)



ETA: What the hell? I thought this was a new thread, started today... duh... :boxedin:

IIRC - I'm pretty sure that Sam Danner is the guy who claimed that he saw a Global Hawk hit the Pentagon. Russ Pickering contacted his son(or maybe it was the other way around) and the son, who also happens to be a 9/11 Troofer, said that Sam was no where near the Pentagon that morning.

Apparently Sam doesnt feel that way. American793, feel free to start a new thread and fill us in on what you witnessed.........


ETA: For some background
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/danner.html
http://www.wingtv.net/thorn2006/danner2.html

[Gravy]

And a summary from the always-entertaining Eric Hufschmid: http://www.erichufschmid.net/SamDanner8Aug2006.html

[maccy]

I've started a new thread about this here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=71078

[Bell]

Thanks guys. I skimmed over those links. So he lied about beeing at the Pentagon and seeing a global hawk hit? Jeezzz... Anyways, he did see the first plane hit the North Tower? I guess he must be a shill, having access to the same feed George W. Bush must have had.

ETA: Russell must be my favorite CTer. Gotta love the man ;)