Anyone have links to Alex Jone's lunacy?

[Arus808]

On another forum, a member holds Alex Jones in high regard. I need to show him otherwise. Does anyone have links to Alex Jone's actions, or descriptions of his lunacy? video evidence is fine, or articles criticizing everything that he's done.

[Anti-sophist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTJTtgBC4NU&mode=related&search=

His theory on the New World Order.

The best part, for me, is the opening line:

It's not my opinion. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's a fact.

[Peephole]

http://perrylogan.org/images/Giffers/AlexMugs.gif


http://nwobeastomfg.ytmnd.com/
http://911verses.com/underground/Over_the_Edge_2005-09-30_Alex_Spider_Jones.MP3
http://alexjonescocoapuffs.ytmnd.com/
http://sneeglebob.ytmnd.com/
http://alexjonescrazy.ytmnd.com/
http://www.nndb.com/people/969/000048825/

[Gravy]

Check the index (page 3) of my WTC 7 paper. Lots of Alex Jones insanity with quotes and links to video, audio, etc.

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.doc

or

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf

[Bell]

Perry Logan, on his site www.perrylogan.org has a nice list:

http://www.perrylogan.org/Bogus%20Predictions.html

ETA: And from his homepage:

What Alex Jones believes...believe it or not!


There's no need to call Alex Jones a nut.
You just need to list his beliefs!

The following list is of beliefs which Alex Jones has explicitly or implicitly stated on his cable access show--sometimes many times.


The government can control the weather. (All conspiracy guys believe this. What's the deal?)
The Mafia was started by Julius Ceaser's grandfather.
"Vaccines are killing our children--mainstream news." (Direct quote from InfoWars 12/27/01. No sources cited.)
SWAT team guys can't satisfy a woman. (InfoWars, 12/27/01. You never know how Alex Jones "knows" anything. Did the SWAT guys open up to Alex...or weas there some study done? Alex didn't say.)
Texas is run by the Masons. (Is that why Texas has the worst schools in the world?)
"Cell phones have been proven in hundreds of major studied to cause brain tumnors. There's no debating it." (Also no references or citations given. Alex says he sources everything, but he sources almost nothing he says. When you can find the source, you always discover that Alex has completely garbled it.)
Drinking fluoridated water causes your IQ to go down 10 points. (No documentation. No reference. No nothing.)
Devil-worshippers run the country. (But only angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's can perceive it!)
The government is afraid of smart people. (Explains why they leave the conspiracy guys alone.)
Cell phones cause brain tumors. "It's like proven."
The NRA are gun grabbers. (This shows you just how far to the right Alex is..)
There are government-run white slavery rings. (Alex didn't have time to say what government. He said there were lots of stories about this in the back of the newspaper. As usual, the statement is completely unsourced.)
Hitler blew up the Reichstag. (Blew it up? I thought he radio-controlled some planes into it. Or was it a missile...?)
Columbine was a government op. (Rule 1 for conspiracy nuts: anything you don't like is a government op. No proof required.)
Wal-Mart is a Defense Department front. (No proof required.)
Bill Clinton is a CIA agent. (Better you should ask, who's NOT a CIA agent in Alex's comic-book fantasy.)
Illegal aliens get to go to the front in emergency rooms. (They should--for keeping our economy afloat year after year.)
They put mercury in your vaccines to brain-damage your children. (Hence the 9/11 Truth Movement.)
The Aztecs would take hallucinogenic enemas and cut their penises off. (Ah, the Sixties!)
Alex Jones has correctly predicted everything that has happened in the last 10 years. (Can you spell M-E-G-A-L-O-M-A-N-I-A? I thought you could...)
FEMA has a giant private army. (They just can't find it.)
Everyone is talking about world government. (No they're not. As used by normal people, the phrase "new world order" simply means a change in the world order. It has no implication of world government. Conspiracy nuts are stupid--what can I say?)
Vaccines have brain-damaged millions of babies. (Based on a misreading of CDC documents. Alex Jones misreads everything in order to keep his fantasies flying.)
You can't succeed in academe unless you agree that 80% of the population has to be killed off. (That's all those stuck-up academics talk about.)
Black helicopters are real. (You create your own reality, dig.)
Illegal immigrants get free tuition and discounts on their Twinkies. They always go to the front of the line in emergency rooms. (It's part of the takeover.)
There's a worldwide takeover going on, perceptible only to dumb white guys...
...but everyone is waking up. (Conspiracy nuts always say "everyone is waking up." It's part of their delusional system--like their imagined ability to predict the future.)
The ruling elite of the world worship Moloch. (The evidence for this is a blurry video of the show at Bohemian Grove. Alex thinks the Bohemian Grove show is real.)
The secret rulers of the world can live forever. (No one knows where this comes from or why Alex believes it. I think it came from a dream Alex had. As far as I know, the rulers of the world continue to die normally.)
The elite have openly announced that they want to kill 80% of us. (But, oddly, in all the world only Alex Jones noticed these startling admissions!)
Dick Cheney writes papers saying terrorism isn't real. (Alex wouldn't say what papers. Though he talks incessantly about documentation, Alex Jones almost never says where he gets his information, much less why it's dependable.)
The U.S. Government went around Italy blowing up school busses full of children...& admitted it. (Twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-ha-ha-ha!" Alex hears a lot of admissions no one else can hear.)
The left-right political spectrum is bogus (This is the dominant paradigm of stupid people today! They never offer a shred of proof. It's just too self-evident to prove, when you're as smart as these guys.)
There are little wires in dollar bills that keep track of what you buy. (Somehow.)
Vicente Fox can morph into a green devil. (Alex says he saw him do it. Honest. This vision occurred when Fox visited Texas, c. 2003-4, & Alex bullhorned him.)
The Communist Chinese Army has taken over the Massachusetts Port Authority. (Maybe it's some kind of brain seizure with Alex.)
Noam Chomsky is a mongoloid idiot. Also an agent.
There are Illuminati symbols on Starbucks coffee cups. (The Illuminati leave clues visible only to angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's.)
Exits on tollroads are 50 miles apart. (It's a takeover opnly Alex Jones could see! Who woulda thought?)
Jacques Cousteau wanted to kill 80% of us. (Jacques, too? I wonder why he didn't live forever?)
Margaret Sanger gave & received awards from Hitler. (When the Nazis weren't burning her books.)
There are live AIDS viruses in the corn. (This means no sex with the corn.)
91% of Americans are Nazis. (Alex says anyone who favors gun control is a Nazi; 91% of Americans favor mandatory handgun registration; that's a lotta Nazis, Alex.)
The United Nations goes around Africa, sterilizing women at random (twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-ha-ha-haa!")
The Founding Fathers were basically stupid (they were Masons––but they didn't know about the secret conspiracy so obvious to Alex & his friends)
Masons can commit murder. They make a secret sign to the judges and are immediately set free. This has been solidly confirmed.
All throughout history, governments have always been Evil. (Bet you didn't know that. Like most of the Patriots, Alex is an anti-government bigot. He frequently poses as a historian, but no real historian subscribes to Alex Jones's bad comic book.)
Power outages are government plots.
Illegal immigration is a government plot.
The counterculture is a government plot.
Vaccines are a you-know-what.
Thumbscanning is a government plot.
Environmentalism is a government plot.
The National Seatbelt Initiative is a bloody government plot.
Feminism is a government plot.
Tollroads are a gummint plot.
This web page is a government plot.
Your mother is a government plot.
The goddam drug culture is a government plot. (Alex Buzzkill Jones.)
Cell phones are a government plot.
Wal Mart is a government plot. (A Defense Department front. It's all out there in the open...but only Alex Jones can see it. Far out.)
Sports are a government plot...somehow.
Antidepressants are a government plot. (Better you should say "What's NOT a government plot?")
All domestic terror attacks are government plots. (Pulled off by the most incompetent administration in history, fooling everyone in the world except angry white guys with IQ's in the mid-80's.)
The bad guys plant clues in TV shows and tell you what they're going to do on TV. (Though only one man in the world can perceive these clues. Think of the burden this puts on Alex.)
The government brings in all the drugs. (All of them! Only Alex Jones knows this. No documentation. No nothing. Just another bad dream Alex mistook for news.)
Arnold Schwartzeneggar is a known Nazi. (Only Alex knows this. Someone alert the Kennedys.)
Arnold Schwartzeneggar is part of an Austrian plot to take over America. (Alex really has it in for Arnie. He has a web page devoted entirely to ad hominem attacks against the ex-terminator.)
Skull & Bones is part of an English plot to take over America.
The United Nations is part of a (very slow) plot to take over America.

***INTERMISSION***
Adjust your tin hats.

Children's cartoons are part of a government plot to brainwash us. (Alex Jones is immune. Conspiracy guys are always immune to the brainwashing they see everywhere. Nothing beats white-guy egotism!)
Organized religion is brainwashing us. (Doesn't Alex realize brainless people cannot brainwash?)
My cable show brainwashes you. (If that were true, people would be sending me money.)
The secret ruling elite of the world are putting up buildings that look like owls. (Only conspiracy people can see these owls, in case you were wondering. I wonder why they don't build pyramids with eyes on top of them.)
Most major police chiefs are CIA operatives.
Gloria Steinham is a CIA operative.
The voting-machine companies are openly run by the CIA. ("Openly run by the CIA" sounds like an oxymoron to me.)
The Quakers are communists. (Er...I thought communists were atheists. Of course, right-wing loonies have no concept of what communism is.)
All of Clinton's cabinet were Jewish. (Alex is not anti-Semitic. I don't know why he said this. Another dream, I guess.)
People in Holland have tattoos saying "Don't Kill Me." (Evidently a tougher country than we thought.)
Lyndon Johnson had John Kennedy killed. (I guess JFK was stupid, choosing LBJ as his running mate like that. Conspiracy guys are stupid, so they think everybody is stupid.)
The UN has sold thousands of children into slavery & for snuff films.
Gays are actively recruiting in our schools. (Why do right-wing loonies always believe this?)
The government keeps "giant, honeycombed hives full of toddlers drugged on lithium" (twirling their moustaches & going "NYA-HAHAHAHA!" The government...not the toddlers.)
The Rothschilds funded Hitler. (Some of the Rothschilds were arrested by Hitler and ransomed back to their family; others escaped Nazi Germany with only their lives.)
People in Africa tear off their arms after receiving vaccinations. (But then, we've all done that.)
The government is spraying us with EVIL CHEMICALS contained in the contrails of planes (also poisoning themselves, I guess. Shows you how ruthless the elite are.)
The United Nations goes around Africa, sterilizing women at random (twirling their moustaches & saying "Nya-ha-ha-haa!")
Every soldier who died in any war since the Civil War was a chump (you thought they were heroes; turns out they were nothing but fools; how's THAT for patriotism?)
Antidepressants are a government plot to bum us out.
The United Nations is part of a (very slow) plot to take over America.
Mercury travels from Africa to Austin on the Jet Stream. That's why Austinites have so many allergies.
IQ's are going down. (IQ's are going up.)
The cancer rate is up. (Most cancer rates are down.)
During his inauguration, President Clinton openly gave the sign of Satan for all the world to see. (They all worship Moloch, don't forget. I don't know how we get to Satan from there...but Alex says so.)
Alex Jones is saving humankind with his cable TV show, radio shows, & tapes (available for purchase, by the way).
Bad people are deliberately putting cancer viruses, AIDS viruses, & mercury in our vaccines (twirling their moustaches & going "Nya-hahaha!").
9-11 was only the beginning; there are going to be lots of even bigger domestic attacks (six years and waiting on this incredibly wrong prediction).
Most Americans believe the government was behind 9-11 (this is based on Alex's misreading of a Zogby poll; Alex misreads EVERYTHING)
They sacrifice babies at Bohemian Grove. (Try to imagine Richard Nixon sacrificing a baby. Or GWB. I guess Cheney would do it, perhaps inadvertently.)
They only hire people with IQ's below 100 to become police officers. (Like most "Patriots," Alex Jones is essentially a cop-hater. He will say anything bad about the police.)
Alex Jones has flawlessly predicted the future many times. (This is a delusion common to conspiracy guys. Here are some of Alex's bogus predictions.)

& finally...my personal favorite:

Alex Jones can predict the future, because he goes to the SECRET WEBSITES where the New World Order tells you EVERYTHING IT'S GOING TO DO!


Just think: if you can find Alex Jones's secret websites,
YOU can predict the future too!

[THX-1138]

sophist

Thats funny, because everything he said is true. Its people like you that are the lunatics. If only you would read up on all this **** you might understand it.

[Gravy]

sophist

Thats funny, because everything he said is true. Its people like you that are the lunatics. If only you would read up on all this **** you might understand it.'zat you, AmyWilson? :)

[Hellbound]

Realy?

[bob_kark]

Is Alex Jones Schizophrenic? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64425)

[bob_kark]

sophist

Thats funny, because everything he said is true. Its people like you that are the lunatics. If only you would read up on all this **** you might understand it.
I don't understand it, please explain it to me.

[Bell]

sophist

Thats funny, because everything he said is true. Its people like you that are the lunatics. If only you would read up on all this **** you might understand it.

I guess you missed the post right above yours?

[THX-1138]

I don't understand it, please explain it to me.

Nah, if you want to understand it you will have to spend some time looking into it. I’m tired of helping people understand. Plus I know that your post was sarcastic.

[bob_kark]

Nah, if you want to understand it you will have to spend some time looking into it. I’m tired of helping people understand. Plus I know that your post was sarcastic.
It was important enough to be your first post on the site, but not important enough to explain what you're talking about? Why even post anything?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

sophist

Thats funny, because everything he said is true. Its people like you that are the lunatics. If only you would read up on all this **** you might understand it.

On what grounds to you presume that no one here has read any of his output?

[Gravy]

On what grounds to you presume that no one here has read any of his output?
Not only have I read and viewed some of his output, I got it on me! Yech!

[THX-1138]

I guess you missed the post right above yours?

What that website and that list, and how that guy is an expert on Alex Jones? That guys sounds really credible when he says that Alex Jones believes "Your mother is a government plot." Its a joke and inaccurate and his assumptions are made from words out of context.

[Bell]

Not only have I read and viewed some of his output, I got it on me! Yech!

LMAO!! :D

[Gravy]

Nah, if you want to understand it you will have to spend some time looking into it. I’m tired of helping people understand. Plus I know that your post was sarcastic.
Welcome, THX. You can watch me looking right into "its" eyes and speaking to "it":

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.doc
or
http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

What that website and that list, and how that guy is an expert on Alex Jones? That guys sounds really credible when he says that Alex Jones believes "Your mother is a government plot." Its a joke and inaccurate and his assumptions are made from words out of context.

It should be easy enough for you to provide the context for a couple of them to support that assertion.

[bob_kark]

Not only have I read and viewed some of his output, I got it on me! Yech!
You have to watch out for that clue goo.

[Bell]

What that website and that list, and how that guy is an expert on Alex Jones? That guys sounds really credible when he says that Alex Jones believes "Your mother is a government plot." Its a joke and inaccurate and his assumptions are made from words out of context.

You mean he uses CT nutter tactics against the CT nutters? Unfair!!

[Gravy]

What that website and that list, and how that guy is an expert on Alex Jones? That guys sounds really credible when he says that Alex Jones believes "Your mother is a government plot." Its a joke and inaccurate and his assumptions are made from words out of context.
Do you believe, as Alex Jones does, that FDNY members abandoned their fallen brothers on 9/11 in order to participate in a real estate insurance fraud? Yes or no?

[ImaginalDisc]

Perry Logan, on his site www.perrylogan.org has a nice list:

http://www.perrylogan.org/Bogus%20Predictions.html

ETA: And from his homepage:

Actually, the bit about mesoamerican hallucinagenic enemas and genital mutilation has way more evidence than anything else he's ever said.

[CurtC]

THX-1138, welcome to the JREF Forum.

[THX-1138]

Do you believe, as Alex Jones does, that FDNY members abandoned their fallen brothers on 9/11 in order to participate in a real estate insurance fraud? Yes or no?

He doesn't believe that.

[Gravy]

He doesn't believe that.
See, you already got one wrong. Check the link I gave you to my paper, and stand corrected like the gentleperson that I'm sure you are.

[60hzxtl]

Is Alex Jones Schizophrenic? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64425)

Watching him jerk and quirk, I wonder what medications he might be on. (Like watching somebody on Haldol)

mayby TAM might offer an educated guess.

[THX-1138]

See, you already got one wrong. Check the link I gave you to my paper, and stand corrected like the gentleperson that I'm sure you are.

Yeah I saw the video of you "debating" him on the street. You misunderstood him, and not one of you got into it enough to prove anything, neither you or Alex provided proof to your claims. How can you be so sure of the truth when there hasn't even been a real investigation of 9/11? As far as I’m concerned you are both right because no one knows the truth yet.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Yeah I saw the video of you "debating" him on the street. You misunderstood him, and not one of you got into it enough to prove anything, neither you or Alex provided proof to your claims. How can you be so sure of the truth when there hasn't even been a real investigation of 9/11? As far as I’m concerned you are both right because no one knows the truth yet.

What element(s) of the Commission/NIST/FEMA investigations are lacking?

[DavidJames]

Yeah I saw the video of you "debating" him on the street. You misunderstood him, and not one of you got into it enough to prove anything, neither you or Alex provided proof to your claims. How can you be so sure of the truth when there hasn't even been a real investigation of 9/11? As far as I’m concerned you are both right because no one knows the truth yet.
Welcome to the forum. Can you share with us what research you have performed so far in your pursuit of the truth? Have you read the NIST report?

[bob_kark]

Yeah I saw the video of you "debating" him on the street. You misunderstood him, and not one of you got into it enough to prove anything, neither you or Alex provided proof to your claims. How can you be so sure of the truth when there hasn't even been a real investigation of 9/11? As far as I’m concerned you are both right because no one knows the truth yet.
What do you believe needs to be investigated that hasn't yet?

[THX-1138]

What element(s) of the Commission/NIST/FEMA investigations are lacking?

Go watch the film 9/11 Press For Truth, or read the book "The New Pearl Harbor"

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Go watch the film 9/11 Press For Truth, or read the book "The New Pearl Harbor"

I'm sorry, I didn't ask for your assumptions as to what media I have, or have not, exposed myself to. Allow me to rephrase, what do you feel is the most important element that has not been addressed to your satisfaction by the existing reports?

[bob_kark]

Go watch the film 9/11 Press For Truth, or read the book "The New Pearl Harbor"
What do you believe needs to be investigated that hasn't been investigated yet?

[DavidJames]

What do you believe needs to be investigated that hasn't yet?
Go watch the film 9/11 Press For Truth, or read the book "The New Pearl Harbor"
Let me try my hand at translating.

"Expert analysis by qualified professional organizations is of no use to me, it's way over my head I only read CT sites, they use lots of simple pictures and leave out the big words and complicated equations."

[Gravy]

Go watch the film 9/11 Press For Truth, or read the book "The New Pearl Harbor"
Ah, you've already read the Alex Jones section of my paper? Agreed that you're wrong, then?

As for your reading and viewing list, THX, you're not dealing with a bunch of pikers here. This is a forum that fosters critical thinking. If you have some new evidence about 9/11 to present, get to the point.

[THX-1138]

I'm sorry, I didn't ask for your assumptions as to what media I have, or have not, exposed myself to. Allow me to rephrase, what do you feel is the most important element that has not been addressed to your satisfaction by the existing reports?

What do you believe needs to be investigated that hasn't been investigated yet?
Everything that lead up to 9/11 for one. I want them to do an investigation that isn’t lead by the bush administration itself.
I agree with those pieces of media, surely if you have read the NIST report you have read the material that counters it, so that you could form a better understanding of what happened with the investigation. Or did you just believe it all at face value? It seems like you did, because if you have actually read The New Pearl Harbor or watched press for truth the flaws in the official investigation would be glaringly apparent.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Everything that lead up to 9/11 for one. I want them to do an investigation that isn’t lead by the bush administration itself.
I agree with those pieces of media, surely if you have read the NIST report you have read the material that counters it, so that you could form a better understanding of what happened with the investigation. Or did you just believe it all at face value? It seems like you did, because if you have actually read The New Pearl Harbor or watched press for truth the flaws in the official investigation would be glaringly apparent.

So, you are going to continue to dodge the questions presented to you, and then go with the assumption that none of us have read/watched any of the criticisms of the reports; because if we had then we must come to the same conclusion as you have.

Please let me know now if you are able to carry on an intellectual conversation of the topics at hand, or if you are just planning on thread gulling with links and massives quotes like other before you have done.

[THX-1138]

Ah, you've already read the Alex Jones section of my paper? Agreed that you're wrong, then?

As for your reading and viewing list, THX, you're not dealing with a bunch of pikers here. This is a forum that fosters critical thinking. If you have some new evidence about 9/11 to present, get to the point.

Look I know what you are trying to do. You want me to post some fact, some proof so that you can try to debunk it. I am entitled to my opinion as are you from the things I’ve seen and read. I have seen all of the “debunks” and I know that there is much we still don't know about 9/11 and the investigation is unsatisfactory.

I think you guys are wrong and hurting this country for going against a new investigation when it is clear that the original investigation was a sham. Saying that you are "critical thinkers" here is a contradiction to that fact.

[bob_kark]

Everything that lead up to 9/11 for one. I want them to do an investigation that isn’t lead by the bush administration itself.
I agree with those pieces of media, surely if you have read the NIST report you have read the material that counters it, so that you could form a better understanding of what happened with the investigation. Or did you just believe it all at face value? It seems like you did, because if you have actually read The New Pearl Harbor or watched press for truth the flaws in the official investigation would be glaringly apparent.
What investigation has been lead by the Bush administration itself? What is the most convincing evidence from The New Pearl Harbor?

[Gravy]

Look I know what you are trying to do. You want me to post some fact, some proof so that you can try to debunk it. I am entitled to my opinion as are you from the things I’ve seen and read. I have seen all of the “debunks” and I know that there is much we still don't know about 9/11 and the investigation is unsatisfactory.

I think you guys are wrong and hurting this country for going against a new investigation when it is clear that the original investigation was a sham. Saying that you are "critical thinkers" here is a contradiction to that fact.
Okay, you're a coward who cannot defend his claims. Is that all then?

[Redtail]

Look I know what you are trying to do. You want me to post some fact, some proof so that you can try to debunk it. I am entitled to my opinion as are you from the things I’ve seen and read. I have seen all of the “debunks” and I know that there is much we still don't know about 9/11 and the investigation is unsatisfactory.

I think you guys are wrong and hurting this country for going against a new investigation when it is clear that the original investigation was a sham. Saying that you are "critical thinkers" here is a contradiction to that fact.

How is it Clear the investigation was a sham?

[CurtC]

As far as I’m concerned you are both right because no one knows the truth yet.

Well, my theory is that on the morning of 9/11 the WTC towers were swarmed by an army of leprechauns who began kicking the steel support beams until they failed. So I'm right too, according to your criteria.

[THX-1138]

What investigation has been lead by the Bush administration itself? What is the most convincing evidence from The New Pearl Harbor?
The book is over 200 pages long and it has a lot of interesting stuff in it. It would be ridiculous for you to ask me to sum it up in one post. Go read it, I know that you haven't.

[DavidJames]

I know that you haven't.Really, you know that?

And you have read it, but are unwilling to list it's most convincing argument?

[Gravy]

The book is over 200 pages long and it has a lot of interesting stuff in it. It would be ridiculous for you to ask me to sum it up in one post. Go read it, I know that you haven't.
I've read it. So that's two you've gotten wrong already. Great start, THX. Now, do you have something to add to this discussion besides a reading list that we're all familiar with?

This is a discussion forum. Are you here for a discussion, or did you just feel like dropping off some links and chastising us?

[Redtail]

The book is over 200 pages long and it has a lot of interesting stuff in it. It would be ridiculous for you to ask me to sum it up in one post. Go read it, I know that you haven't.

So you're saying you're the only one in the thread that has? How do you know that?

[bob_kark]

What investigation has been lead by the Bush administration itself? What is the most convincing evidence from The New Pearl Harbor? How do you know what I've read?

[CurtC]

Look I know what you are trying to do. You want me to post some fact...
Basically, yes. What doesn't work here is simply saying "watch this video" or "read this web site." If you found something convincing, you make a case for it and support it. If you make a good case, you can convince us that we've been wrong. If you aren't able to make a good case, it might be you who learns something. But for any of that to happen, you have to at least try to support your ideas with facts and evidence.

[THX-1138]

Okay, you're a coward who cannot defend his claims. Is that all then?

No, im just a guy with an opinion posting on a forum. I have been looking into this for a few years now and at first I felt the need to prove everything I said and I did, but I soon realized that no one ever changes their beliefs no mater what you prove. Its a waste of time.

[Dog Town]

I know that you haven't.

Randi is offering a million bucks, if you can prove that skill!

[Bell]

Well, my theory is that on the morning of 9/11 the WTC towers were swarmed by an army of leprechauns who began kicking the steel support beams until they failed. So I'm right too, according to your criteria.

Nominated :D

[Redtail]

No, im just a guy with an opinion posting on a forum. I have been looking into this for a few years now and at first I felt the need to prove everything I said and I did, but I soon realized that no one ever changes their beliefs no mater what you prove. Its a waste of time.

Then why did you bring it up?

[Anti-sophist]

In the video he says that the NWO uses vaccination to give us all cancer... That sounds like paranoid schizophrenia, to me.

I don't know where I have to go to do "research" on a topic like that, to obtain the facts necessary to convince me that is true. If you know of this place where the facts exist to convince me of this, let me know, because I'll be happy to wander in.

[bob_kark]

No, im just a guy with an opinion posting on a forum. I have been looking into this for a few years now and at first I felt the need to prove everything I said and I did, but I soon realized that no one ever changes their beliefs no mater what you prove. Its a waste of time.
Completely untrue. I've changed my mind on a number of topics while on this forum, some of them deeply held beliefs. I wouldn't be so quick to judge.

[THX-1138]

I've read it. So that's two you've gotten wrong already. Great start, THX. Now, do you have something to add to this discussion besides a reading list that we're all familiar with?

This is a discussion forum. Are you here for a discussion, or did you just feel like dropping off some links and chastising us?

Was I speaking to you? No, I wasn't.

Of course im here for a discussion which is what we are doing, this is not a court/lawyer forum you know.

[Gravy]

Was I speaking to you? No, I wasn't.

Of course im here for a discussion which is what we are doing, this is not a court/lawyer forum you know.
Great. What would you like to discuss that you don't think will be a waste of time? (Be prepared with evidence to support your claims!)

[TruthSeeker1234]

What element(s) of the Commission/NIST/FEMA investigations are lacking?

Off the top of my head:

9/11 Commission Report - Ignored WTC7 completely, Did not include William Rodriguez testimony, DId not allow multiple other bomb witnesses to testify, Did not include Norman Mineta testimony about Cheney in the bunker, lied that the core of each twin tower was "a hollow steel shaft", and was run by Phillip Zelilow, a Bush-insider and admitted expert on the creation of myth.

FEMA - Supported "pancake theory" despite obvious evidence against it, ignored molten metal, ignored pulverization, ignored conservation of energy, ignored squibs, ignored voluminous firefighter testimony of secondary devices and explosions.

NIST - Did not study the collapse behavior at all, theory is internally inconsistent (no pancaking vs. pancaking caused squibs), computer fire model is significantly higher temp than their own materials tests indicate, did not test for explosives, did not attempt to identify composition of molten metal, ignored many of the same things ignored by FEMA and 9/11 commission.

[TruthSeeker1234]

I would really like to see where Alex Jones seriously said that Vicente Fox turned into a green alien.

Can someone link us to that? I suspect Bell is using the Popular Mechanics technique of mixing fabricated strawmen with legitimate positions in order to obfuscate and smear.

[DavidJames]

Off the top of my head:

9/11 Commission Report - Ignored WTC7 completely, Did not include William Rodriguez testimony, DId not allow multiple other bomb witnesses to testify, Did not include Norman Mineta testimony about Cheney in the bunker, lied that the core of each twin tower was "a hollow steel shaft", and was run by Phillip Zelilow, a Bush-insider and admitted expert on the creation of myth.

FEMA - Supported "pancake theory" despite obvious evidence against it, ignored molten metal, ignored pulverization, ignored conservation of energy, ignored squibs, ignored voluminous firefighter testimony of secondary devices and explosions.

NIST - Did not study the collapse behavior at all, theory is internally inconsistent (no pancaking vs. pancaking caused squibs), computer fire model is significantly higher temp than their own materials tests indicate, did not test for explosives, did not attempt to identify composition of molten metal, ignored many of the same things ignored by FEMA and 9/11 commission.So what you're saying they ignored every half-assed, unsupported by fact, lame brained idea ever proposed by a loony CTists.

But what you are also saying is you are still unable to refute any of the facts.

[steve s]

Or did you just believe it all at face value?

You mean the way you believe everything at face value that you see in these conspiracy vids?

I think you guys are wrong and hurting this country for going against a new investigation when it is clear that the original investigation was a sham.

And when this new investigation reaches the exact same conlusion as the NIST, what will you gripe about then?

No, im just a guy with an opinion posting on a forum.

An opinion that is completely wrong.

...but I soon realized that no one ever changes their beliefs no mater what you prove.

Because that would require us to abandon reality and cling to fantasy and paranoia. Not gonna doit.

Steve S.

[TruthSeeker1234]

I would really like to see where Alex Jones seriously said that Vicente Fox turned into a green alien.

Can someone link us to that? I suspect Bell is using the Popular Mechanics technique of mixing fabricated strawmen with legitimate positions in order to obfuscate and smear.

[Bell]

I would really like to see where Alex Jones seriously said that Vicente Fox turned into a green alien.

Can someone link us to that? I suspect Bell is using the Popular Mechanics technique of mixing fabricated strawmen with legitimate positions in order to obfuscate and smear.

You are using strawman by suggesting that I wrote those comments.

Perry Logan did, and he is a member here. Ask him, BS101.

[Gravy]

Off the top of my head:

9/11 Commission Report - Ignored WTC7 completely
Okay, tell us why the report should have dealt with WTC 7. The 9/11 Commission report wasn't an engineering report. It did not discuss damage to buildings that weren't directly attacked. Agreed?

[THX-1138]

So what you're saying they ignored every half-assed, unsupported by fact, lame brained idea ever proposed by a loony CTists.

But what you are also saying is you are still unable to refute any of the facts.

See, this is what im talking about. TruthSeeker posted facts about the investigation and this is what you have to say. You sure know how to criticaly think your way right into fantasy land. Good job.

[Gravy]

I would really like to see where Alex Jones seriously said that Vicente Fox turned into a green alien.

Can someone link us to that? I suspect Bell is using the Popular Mechanics technique of mixing fabricated strawmen with legitimate positions in order to obfuscate and smear.
Name the legitimate positions in that list of Jones' beliefs.

[Gravy]

See, this is what im talking about. TruthSeeker posted facts about the investigation and this is what you have to say. You sure know how to criticaly think your way right into fantasy land. Good job.
Again, what would you like to discuss that you don't think will be a waste of time? Here we are. Begin.

[Bell]

Again, what would you like to discuss that you don't think will be a waste of time? Here we are. Begin.

This is all your fault, Gravy!

Where are all the CTs today? Home studying?

:dl:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1998815#post1998815

ETA: OMG!!1!! OMFG!!1!!ONE!!!1!!
911th post :eek:

[delphi_ote]

Is Alex Jones Schizophrenic? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64425)
Yes.

[DavidJames]

See, this is what im talking about. TruthSeeker posted facts about the investigation and this is what you have to say. You sure know how to criticaly think your way right into fantasy land. Good job.
Here are some other equally asinine facts:

NIST failed to consider the no plane theory
NIST failed to consider the pod theory
NIST failed to consider CGI theory
NIST failed to consider hologram theory
NIST failed to consider voice morphing technology

Gee, NIST is really out there in fantasy land.

[THX-1138]

Again, what would you like to discuss that you don't think will be a waste of time? Here we are. Begin.

None of your debunks can be one hundred percent believed because you use the lies of the official investigation as its base. Why are you so against a new investigation? If we had a new investigation, one that wasn’t under the watch and control of the Bush administration then we would have somewhere to go, something to debate and prove and disprove. A new investigation might help you to actually debunk the conspiracy theorists once and for all. So why don’t you support it?

[Gravy]

None of your debunks can be one hundred percent believed because you use the lies of the official investigation as its base. Why are you so against a new investigation? If we had a new investigation, one that wasn’t under the watch and control of the Bush administration then we would have somewhere to go, something to debate and prove and disprove. A new investigation might help you to actually debunk the conspiracy theorists once and for all. So why don’t you support it?First, you'll need to make your case that my debunks don't stand up to scrutiny. Give me an example.

[Anti-sophist]

None of your debunks can be one hundred percent believed because you use the lies of the official investigation as its base. Why are you so against a new investigation? If we had a new investigation, one that wasn’t under the watch and control of the Bush administration then we would have somewhere to go, something to debate and prove and disprove. So why don’t you support it?

This, ladies and gentlemen, is a classic, textbook example of a circular logic fallacy. Please note the expert use of it. Remember, your debunks of the conspiracy, are based on lies, told by the conspiracy!

The logic completely breaks down if you don't presuppose a conspiracy. Government conspiracy means government can't be trusted. Government can't be trusted so government reports are based on lies. Therefore, debunking of his theories are based on lies. Therefore, his theories remain standing, proving a conspiracy!


A new investigation might help you to actually debunk the conspiracy theorists once and for all.


If I had even the slightest belief that was true, I'd stand with you calling for it. We both know, however, it's not. You've already proven your ability to use circular logic when discussing this issue... what gaurantee do we have, if any, that if the NEW investigation finds the same as the old investigation, you won't claim it is also part of the conspiracy? You will.

[Pardalis]

Hi THX 1138 (love that username BTW).

None of your debunks can be one hundred percent believed because you use the lies of the official investigation as its base.

Why do you say there are lies in the report? You make this accusation, now let's see you support it with evidence.

As far as it goes, you are the one with the confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias).

Why are you so against a new investigation?

I personnally am not against a "new investigation". I say whatever.

DO IT ALLREADY AND STOP BOTHERING US!

[delphi_ote]

So why don’t you support it?
Are you going to pay for it?

[THX-1138]

First, you'll need to make your case that my debunks don't stand up to scrutiny. Give me an example.

Jesus christ you are an idiot. They don't stand up because the official investigation was a sham. Go read truthseekers post again.

[bob_kark]

Off the top of my head:

9/11 Commission Report - Ignored WTC7 completely, Did not include William Rodriguez testimony, DId not allow multiple other bomb witnesses to testify, Did not include Norman Mineta testimony about Cheney in the bunker, lied that the core of each twin tower was "a hollow steel shaft", and was run by Phillip Zelilow, a Bush-insider and admitted expert on the creation of myth.
WTC7 was not directly hit by terrorists, the report focused on the attacks themselves, who caused them, how they could have been prevented.

You have his testimony, what difference does that make to you? In addition, eye witness testimony is some of the least reliable evidence available.

The report did not detail the structural failures of the WTC. What difference does this inaccuracy make?

There is no Philip Zelilow, so I'll assume you're referring to Philip Zelikow. The Commission was not "run" by Phillip Zelikow. It was actually chaired by Thomas Kean.

FEMA - Supported "pancake theory" despite obvious evidence against it, ignored molten metal, ignored pulverization, ignored conservation of energy, ignored squibs, ignored voluminous firefighter testimony of secondary devices and explosions.
I haven't read the Fema report as the NIST report is generally held by both sides to be more accurate

NIST - Did not study the collapse behavior at all, theory is internally inconsistent (no pancaking vs. pancaking caused squibs), computer fire model is significantly higher temp than their own materials tests indicate, did not test for explosives, did not attempt to identify composition of molten metal, ignored many of the same things ignored by FEMA and 9/11 commission.
You must misunderstand the report. How did they not study the collapse at all? The computer model predicted that the items tested should only have reached the temperatures they were confirmed to have reached.

True, they did not test for explosives, however the report on WTC7 will be researching this. They did not identify the composition of the molten metal because it proves nothing at all. As to the rest, you're a bit vague. Should they have included testimony? What did they ignore?

[Anti-sophist]

Haha. He has no idea why it's a sham. He just knows that it is. His logic only works if you also just know the conspiracy is true. If you just ... believe... you'll see he's right.

[THX-1138]

Haha. He has no idea why it's a sham. He just knows that it is. His logic only works if you also just know the conspiracy is true. If you just ... believe... you'll see he's right.

Yes I do know why it is but I already stated that im tired of proving everything to people that don't want to believe the truth anyways.

[Gravy]

Jesus christ you are an idiot. They don't stand up because the official investigation was a sham. Go read truthseekers post again.
You see, this isn't a forum where we take your word for things. I explained that earlier. This is a forum that fosters critical thinking. You have to have evidence to back your claims. So, give me an example. A debunking of a conspiracy theorist claim that you can show is false.

[Pardalis]

You must misunderstand the report. How did they not study the collapse at all? The computer model predicted that the items tested should only have reached the temperatures they were confirmed to have reached.

True, they did not test for explosives, however the report on WTC7 will be researching this. They did not identify the composition of the molten metal because it proves nothing at all. As to the rest, you're a bit vague. Should they have included testimony? What did they ignore?

Actually, the NIST did not study the actual collapse sequence all the way down. Of course, the NIST was more interested in finding out what caused the collapse in the first place. Once it started to collapse, obviously no structure in the world could have withstood the energy and mass and no engeneer in the world could have done anything to prevent it, so to them there was nothing to be learned from the rest of the collapse.

ETA: of course CTists will see that as proof of a cover up...:rolleyes:

[Bell]

Yes I do know why it is but I already stated that im tired of proving everything to people that don't want to believe the truth anyways.

Hence you post here, instead of on a nutter CT forum.

[bob_kark]

None of your debunks can be one hundred percent believed because you use the lies of the official investigation as its base. Why are you so against a new investigation? If we had a new investigation, one that wasn’t under the watch and control of the Bush administration then we would have somewhere to go, something to debate and prove and disprove. A new investigation might help you to actually debunk the conspiracy theorists once and for all. So why don’t you support it?
Good idea. Why doesn't the Truth movement start collecting money for an independent investigation? I'm satisfied that the events on 9/11 were conducted by terrorists, so I don't want to spend any more of my money confirming it.

[Pardalis]

THX1138, I have hundreds of pages of documents that prove that Gravy is not an idiot.

Give us proof that you are not an idiot.

[Arus808]

thanks guys for thread jacking my thread ^_^

ANY more links to the undeniabl lunacy that is Alex Jones?

[bob_kark]

Actually, the NIST did not study the actual collapse sequence all the way down. Of course, the NIST was more interested in finding out what caused the collapse in the first place. Once it started to collapse, obviously no structure in the world could have withstood the energy and mass and no engeneer in the world could have done anything to prevent it, so to them there was nothing to be learned from the rest of the collapse.

ETA: of course CTists will se that as proof of a cover up...:rolleyes:
True, they may not have studied the collapse sequence all the way down. I'm asking, at all?

[DavidJames]

Yes I do know why it is but I already stated that im tired of proving everything to people that don't want to believe the truth anyways.I'm sorry you're so tired. Maybe you should have continued resting instead of straining your fingers and posting here? If you had no intention of trying to prove something, why did you post here?

Maybe you could exert yourself just a little more and post some links to where you got so tired "proving everything to people".

I am willing to believe the truth, honest, no kidding. But so far I've seen nothing even close to truth from the CT crowd. I see unsubstantiated claims and I see coincidences passed off as fact. I see quotes taken out of context. I'm sure you saw the Loose Change video. Remember the guy who saw a cruise missile with wings. Why did they cut out the part where he said he saw the AA plane but left in what he said it looked like. Is that the truth you're wanting people to believe?

[Pardalis]

True, they may not have studied the collapse sequence all the way down. I'm asking, at all?

From what I remember, very little.

[Gravy]

THX1138, I have hundreds of pages of documents that prove that Gravy is not an idiot.I was wondering where those were. Can you send them to me? :D

[Gravy]

thanks guys for thread jacking my thread ^_^

ANY more links to the undeniabl lunacy that is Alex Jones?
Sorry about the threadjack. I'll start a new thread for THX. But those links weren't enough? You must really hate Alex Jones!

ETA: Okay, new thread for you here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1999494#post1999494), THX, or feel free to start your own, if you're up for an actual discussion.

[bob_kark]

From what I remember, very little.
That's some.:D

[Pardalis]

I was wondering where those were. Can you send them to me? :D

They used to be in your signature... Where did they go?

I think Chipmunk stole them!

[Arus808]

Sorry about the threadjack. I'll start a new thread for THX. But those links weren't enough? You must really hate Alex Jones!

there are about 6 forum members who participate in another forum the regularly visit who holds Alex Jones as the "pariah" of 9/11 truth discovery. Despite evidence that he is a nutball, they still think that he is an invidual who's comments on 9/11 should be noted and taken seriously.

Everyone else on the forum who has been debatin about 9/11 totally do not believe the tripe that Alex Jones, Fetzer and the theories out there, and the funny thing (that's why southpark just immortalized the effort) is that its a ratio of 1:4 ... 1 nutter/911 truther to 4 others who call that person a retard there. Its kind of funny how that worked out...

Any more links would be great. Gravy, your document was nice, but your links are littered throughout...kind of hard to do a quick post with ^_^

[Hellbound]

You know, there's also some other things that people, such as THX, are not considering.

One of the major reasons a lot of the "alternate" theories are not looked into has nothing to do with politics, or opinions, or anything similar.

It has to do with these pesky things called the Laws of Physics.

Almost all of the alternate theories invovle violations of the most basic physical laws, and as such are not worth investigating, as they could not be right to begin with. Many are also internally contradictory and inconsistent.

Quite simply, unless you have some sort of evidence to point you in a direction, it isn't worth the money to go that way. The CTer's attitudes, if applied to a native guide in the Congo, say, would have the group cutting down every tree within 100 yards of their location, just in case there was a trail there.

[bob_kark]

Oops, redundant post.

[Hellbound]

Oops, redundant post.

This is the Conspiracy Theory forum.

Aren't they all?

[Josh Redstone]

My favorite example of him making an idiot of himself was a video on YouTube where he was dressed up like Darth Vader, talking about the NWO.....unfortunately it's been removed from YouTube.

Honestly, when a guy I know on another forum directed me towards his work, I was curious, and at first glance he seemed kind of reasonable; he'd mention something reasonable to get you interested, like exposing criminals in big corporations or the government, which is of course a legitimate thing to be concerned about.....but then he'd start on with his Cancer Virus vaccine, Illuminati, Al 'CIAda' stuff, which turned me off of his work pretty fast.

In my personal opinion, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aEaxa187B0) might be one of the only smart things he's said, and I agree with it to a certain extent....and the sad part about that is that it was probably from the movie script:rolleyes:

[Arus808]

OMG, this kook came back with this after mentioning that ALEX jones claimed that the government can control weather:

http://www.haarp.net/

[Pardalis]

This is the Conspiracy Theory forum.

Aren't they all?

Say that to Christophera...

[Gravy]

OMG, this kook came back with this after mentioning that ALEX jones claimed that the government can control weather:

http://www.haarp.net/
The last line of that piece is a classic:
Becoming informed is the first step to empowerment.

[Crungy]

Here are some other equally asinine facts:

NIST failed to consider the no plane theory
NIST failed to consider the pod theory
NIST failed to consider CGI theory
NIST failed to consider hologram theory
NIST failed to consider voice morphing technology

Gee, NIST is really out there in fantasy land.

You forgot to add that NIST failed to consider evidence of Godzilla, Rhodan and Gammera.

[Crungy]

See, this is what im talking about. TruthSeeker posted facts about the investigation and this is what you have to say. You sure know how to criticaly think your way right into fantasy land. Good job.

Yes, we all know how razor sharp TruthSpanky's critical thinking facilities are. In support of the CD theory, TruthSpanky suggested that 100 demolition riggers could have easily blended in amongst the tenants, security and maintenance staff. Also, don't forget that "construction" = evidence of demolition rigging!

Ah, open up and say Trooth! :D

[bonavada]

sophist
Thats funny, because everything he said is true.

i'm sure he said that prince phillip is the WIFE of queen elizabeth....please tell me it's not true..........please.


BV

[CurtC]

I would really like to see where Alex Jones seriously said that Vicente Fox turned into a green alien.
I know we've discussed reading comprehension with you before. The quote says that Vicente Fox can morph into a green devil.

[PerryLogan]

I know that "green devil" thing is weird. But it's not a put-on. Alex Jones really said that on his Austin cable TV show, "InfoWars."

I don't have the exact date, but it was a show Alex did shortly after Fox visited Austin around 2003-2004. Alex went out and bullhorned Fox for several hours. The show would have been taped shortly after this event.

Alex made a big point that other people besides himself saw this phenomenon. Fox passed Alex by in his limo, leaned toward Alex, and turned into something that looked like a green devil.

There's just no need to make things up when it comes to Alex.

I'm sorry I couldn't get an exact date for the show. It's not very scholarly of me, but you'll notice Alex never documents anything--so why should I?

[apathoid]

There's just no need to make things up when it comes to Alex.

I'm sorry I couldn't get an exact date for the show. It's not very scholarly of me, but you'll notice Alex never documents anything--so why should I?

So that list that Bell posted is actually stuff that Jones said in a serious manner? I thought it was semi-true/semi-spoof.....

If so, good God - Alex is one messed up hombre !
How has he eluded straightjacketing? If his theories were true, I have a feeling that he'd be worse off than that....

[Brainache]

Just one layman's opinion, but in the case of AJ I'd say something like Amphetamine Psychosis may have taken hold of his brain and pummelled all sense from him.

[PerryLogan]

That sounds like a distinct possibility. Try also florid megalomania.

I assure you, that list of Alex's statements is real. It's not a send-up or exaggeration of any kind. Pretty mind-blowing. By far the best way to debunk Alex Jones is to write down some of the things he says.

I may be a pioneer in the Alex-debunking business. I don't think there's a great deal out there. The major attacks on Alex have so far come from his fellow conspiracy nuts, and of course you can't believe a word they say.

I can't post links, but if you look for a thread at the Museum Of Hoaxes Forum, dealing with Alex's "documentary," "9/11 Martial Law," you'll see an extended discussion of Alex. There are some good skeptics involved. It ends excitingly with an angry conspiradroid accusing me of being a fraud and a pornographer.

As you've all no doubt noticed, any disagreement with CT's results in Stalinesque personal attacks.

So my website was about the first nonconspiratortial website which raised objections to Alex and the "New World Order guys."

The first site devoted exclusively to Alex--with the delicious name of "InfoWhores"--is still under construction. If yall get interested in Alex, I'm sure this guy would appreciate any material.

My critiques of Alex have been logical in nature, as opposed to factual--i.e., do you really believe international bankers would finance a plan to shut down Wall Street? I'm obviously no kinda fact-checker.

I hope someone gets interested in giving Alex the sort of thorough scrutiny and debunking "Loose Change" has gotten. It would be delicious. Alex's stuff probably makes "Loose Change" sound like a Ph.D. dissertation.

I'm not a psychologist, but I'll bet Alex suffers from Narcissistic Personality Syndrome, formerly megalomania. What's amazing are his followers, who are almost all white guys too stupid to close their mouths.

[Alareth]

You forgot to add that NIST failed to consider evidence of Godzilla, Rhodan and Gammera.

Gamera would never involve himself in such things. Unless there was a Gayos nest inside the towers...

... Hmmmmmmmm

A new theory to consider.

[peteweaver]

That sounds like a distinct possibility. Try also florid megalomania.

I assure you, that list of Alex's statements is real. It's not a send-up or exaggeration of any kind. Pretty mind-blowing. By far the best way to debunk Alex Jones is to write down some of the things he says.

I may be a pioneer in the Alex-debunking business. I don't think there's a great deal out there. The major attacks on Alex have so far come from his fellow conspiracy nuts, and of course you can't believe a word they say.

I can't post links, but if you look for a thread at the Museum Of Hoaxes Forum, dealing with Alex's "documentary," "9/11 Martial Law," you'll see an extended discussion of Alex. There are some good skeptics involved. It ends excitingly with an angry conspiradroid accusing me of being a fraud and a pornographer.

As you've all no doubt noticed, any disagreement with CT's results in Stalinesque personal attacks.

So my website was about the first nonconspiratortial website which raised objections to Alex and the "New World Order guys."

The first site devoted exclusively to Alex--with the delicious name of "InfoWhores"--is still under construction. If yall get interested in Alex, I'm sure this guy would appreciate any material.

My critiques of Alex have been logical in nature, as opposed to factual--i.e., do you really believe international bankers would finance a plan to shut down Wall Street? I'm obviously no kinda fact-checker.

I hope someone gets interested in giving Alex the sort of thorough scrutiny and debunking "Loose Change" has gotten. It would be delicious. Alex's stuff probably makes "Loose Change" sound like a Ph.D. dissertation.

I'm not a psychologist, but I'll bet Alex suffers from Narcissistic Personality Syndrome, formerly megalomania. What's amazing are his followers, who are almost all white guys too stupid to close their mouths.

Perry, infowhores is still under construction even now but I've done a bit of work on it (have added articles about 9/11 and 7/7) and its starting to take shape, it also has a forum.

I'm certain that Alex is narcissistic aswell, and unfortunately there is no known cure for this. Could one of those nice white strappy jackets and a comfy room with soft walls be the answer to him ?

[DarkMagician]

...I am entitled to my opinion as are you...

Translation: I cannot back up my claims, so I'll just declare everything as opinion, so I can avoid being asked to back mine up.

[peteweaver]

sophist

Thats funny, because everything he said is true. Its people like you that are the lunatics. If only you would read up on all this **** you might understand it.

Lol, if Alex Jones said it was gonna be a lovely day; i'd be looking round for my umbrella, the man is a compulsive liar, I don't trust a word he says...

[Dr. Lao]

Jon Ronson covered Alex in his wonderful book "Them!"

He went to bohemian grove with Alex. Alex hunkered down and climbed fences and hid in the forest to penetrate this uber secret cult. Ronson just followed a few people into the event.

Very funny account of kooks like Alex

[darnell11]

His beliefs seem to me to be the beliefs of a schizophrenic. I kinda feel sorry for the guy...

[maccy]

Jon Ronson covered Alex in his wonderful book "Them!"

He went to bohemian grove with Alex. Alex hunkered down and climbed fences and hid in the forest to penetrate this uber secret cult. Ronson just followed a few people into the event.

Very funny account of kooks like Alex

Jon is a member of this forum, and he copied his account from the book to several posts, starting here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2012278#post2012278

[Dr. Lao]

Really?

Wow, this place gets better all the time.:)

[OMGturt1es]

regarding the original post...

i recently started a topic in these CT forums about one of alex jones' movies. you can read it here:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75695

specifically, in the 39 minutes i could stand, i found two instances wherein he used arguments that i had not heard previously. researching his claims lead to two excellent examples of alex jones' lunacy, which i'll copy and paste from the original thread:

alex jones is claiming, at just about 31:00 minutes, that at the end of the afgan war, 8,000 taliban soldiers were loaded onto american planes and flown into pakistan. alex is claiming that the afgan soldiers and al qaeda leaders were simply a decoy, "it had been their job to stir up the phoney crisis in afganistan, and then give george w the fake victory. you see it was a staged war. and this is one of the other big smoking guns of government 911 involvement that we're all supposed to forget about."

searching the net for any source, i found this, posted at alex's own prisonplanet, "According to the magazine [the new yorker], the US allowed Pakistan's military officials to be flown to safety to preserve the political standing of General Pervez Musharraf, whose survival is seen as crucial to the American war effort. ... The exodus ... was intended only to rescue Pakistani officials from Kunduz... Taliban and al-Qaida fighters slipped on board."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/us_helped_taliban_to_safety_magazine_claims.html

alex's own source, posted at his own website, paints a drastically different picture than that which alex presents in his crappy video. thanks a pant load alex, you dirty, rotten, blatent liar.

alex claims that all 200 members of jewish chat company Odigo were given advanced warnings of the attacks on 911. alex "cites" (ie: shows a picture of) articles detailing this "fact" from the washington post.

wasn't easy to find the original text from the article, but i did. says the washington post, "Another possible hint of the plot came two hours before planes crashed into the World Trade Center, when two employees of Odigo Inc., in Herzliya, Israel, received electronic instant messages declaring that some sort of attack was about to take place. The notes ended with an anti-Semitic slur.
'The messages said something big was going to happen in a certain amount of time, and it did -- almost to the minute,' said Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales for the high-tech company, which also has offices in Lower Manhattan. He said the employees did not know the person who sent the message, but they traced it to a computer address and have given that information to the FBI."

what was that? did you notice that?

alex turned the anti jewish THREATS sent to two jews in the towers* on 911, by those in the know-- aka: likely terrorists-- into "warnings", inferring that the jews had prior involvement in 911, and therefore were involved with it's orchestrtion.

to me, this is just disgusting. and to me, there's no level of incompetence great enough to excuse such blatent dishonesty-- this was deliberate!-- the very sources on which he relies completely disagree with him.


*thanks to firestone, who corrected me: "Just to correct a minor mistake here. The "Odigo Warning" was not sent to two jews in the towers, but to two Jews/Israelis in Israel. The "Odigo Warning" didn't mention the towers at all."

SO, these two examples, in my eyes, illustrate alex's inability to even get things right when he's dealing with his own data, and to distort things to the point of dishonesty.

i'd suspect that the entire video should yeild further examples.