Was the Reagan shooting a gov't conspiracy?

[Killtown]

Since this was mentioned today, I’d thought I’d see what people's thought are about this here (I’m sure I can guess).

Here’s a couple little snippets:

"Bush Son Had Dinner Plans With Hinckley Brother Before Shooting"
-Associated Press (March 31, 1981)


"...it was the most paralyzing pain. I've described it as if someone had hit you with a hammer.

But that sensation...came after I was in the car." - Reagan


And the bullet trajectory you are probably not aware of (yes, it was supposedly Hinckley’s very last shot that ricocheted 90deg around the limo’s door to hit Reagan in his left armpit while his arms were being pinned down by his Secret Service agent):

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/images/assassinations/reagan/trajectoryscale.jpg


You can view the rest of the evidence here:

http://killtown.911review.org/assassinations/reagan.html


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[Bell]

Jody Foster ordered the hit :rolleyes:

[Hellbound]

Killtown:

You're definately within the 25%.

[CurtC]

I've never heard of the idea that Reagan's shooting could have been an inside job. Is there any evidence for that?

[Bell]

I've never heard of the idea that Reagan's shooting could have been an inside job. Is there any evidence for that?

Ofcourse it wasn't an inside job. It happened outside, on the street.

[Dog Town]

The anti-gun freaks? Brady did , once he could, speak out against handguns!
Not buying that for a dollar, though.

[Killtown]

Is there any evidence for that?

What part of this did you not read?...

You can view the rest of the evidence here:

http://killtown.911review.org/assassinations/reagan.html

[Oliver]

Wich of Reagan´s movies is he talking about? :confused:

[Hellbound]

Killtown:

Evidence <> opinion.

Evidence <> speculation.

Evidence <> possibilities.

Evidence <> unverifiable anecdote.

Evidence <> gut feeling.

Have I missed any?

[Dog Town]

Wich of Reagan´s movies is he talking about? :confused:

The eight year long one, where he played the Pres.OTUS! Long one...but a goody.

[Killtown]

I wonder how many of you who already voted "no" reviewed all the evidence on my website? Gee, let me guess.

[Dragonrock]

Apparently Killtown hasn't heard of shock.

[Pardalis]

Killtown, when will you apologize to Val McClatchey?

[Killtown]

Apparently Killtown hasn't heard of shock.
???

[Bell]

I wonder how many of you who already voted "no" reviewed all the evidence on my website? Gee, let me guess.

What did the police say?

[Killtown]

Killtown, when will you apologize to Val McClatchey?
If you want to start a separate thread about that, feel free. Otherwise stay on topic.

[Bell]

If you want to start a separate thread about that, feel free. Otherwise stay on topic.

Says Killtown.

[bjb]

If true, it's kind of an interesting story. At best, someone in Hinkley's family knew someone in George Bush's family. At worst, the Bush family found a crazy person to shoot Ronald Reagan. However, there's not even a hint of a government conspiracy in those stories.

[Killtown]

What did the police say?
I don't know, what?

[Scientologist]

I wonder how many of you who already voted "no" reviewed all the evidence on my website? Gee, let me guess.


You are a stupid idiot. Honestly, the fact that you would put so much work into something so ridiculous truly enlightens me to the naivette surrounding the Conspiracy Theory population.

You deserve to be beheaded by a terrorist to wake your stupid ass up to reality.

Please do not make comments wishing violence on other forum members.

[bjb]

I wonder how many of you who already voted "no" reviewed all the evidence on my website? Gee, let me guess.

I reviewed it and I even noticed how you had the same story at least twice. Please don't waste our time reading *everything* on your pages when you don't even bother to clean up your cut and pasting.

[Killtown]

At worst, the Bush family found a crazy person to shoot Ronald Reagan. However, there's not even a hint of a government conspiracy in those stories.
What??? How can you say no hint of a government conspiracy? You do know Bush was V.P and ex-CIA director, right?

[NotJesus]

Your cartoon has convinced me. Larry Flynt did it at the behest of George H. W. Bush and Tip O'Neill.

[Dog Town]

What??? How can you say no hint of a government conspiracy? You do know Bush was V.P and ex-CIA director, right?

But Reagan was his meal ticket, and you know what they say. "No tickey no eatey"!

[Killtown]

You are a stupid idiot. Honestly, the fact that you would put so much work into something so ridiculous truly enlightens me to the naivette surrounding the Conspiracy Theory population.

You deserve to be beheaded by a terrorist to wake your stupid ass up to reality.
Your comment is so sad that I feel sorry for you.


And I'm sure the moderators here will start cracking down on all these rule breakers as they did with me?

[uk_dave]

You are a stupid idiot. Honestly, the fact that you would put so much work into something so ridiculous truly enlightens me to the naivette surrounding the Conspiracy Theory population.


Oh there's plenty out there.

In fact, several months ago I was 'introduced' to the website of another whacked out individual, this one with an unhealthy obsession with bill clinton.

http://www.alamo-girl.com/

She's a doozy! lol

[Bell]

I don't know, what?

You mean you haven't taken all of your evidence to the police? Don't you want the perpetrators to get punnished?

[Overman]

Jody Order Fostered the idea.

[Killtown]

You mean you haven't taken all of your evidence to the police? Don't you want the perpetrators to get punnished?
:rolleyes:

[bjb]

What??? How can you say no hint of a government conspiracy? You do know Bush was V.P and ex-CIA director, right?

So what? He was also an ex-Navy pilot. By your logic, the Navy tried to kill Ronald Reagan. You are better offl accusing Al Haig of trying to kill Reagan, since he's the one who claimed 'to be in control' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Haig#.22I.27m_in_control_here.22) after Reagan was shot. At the time, a lot of people thought it was suspicious. Besides, if Bush Sr. was behind it, he would have made sure to be in Washington to take over from Reagan.

You need to show that Bush's evil plot involved some cooperation from the US government for this to qualify as a government conspiracy. So far, you have the Hinkley family, who have no government ties whatsoever. It's a very poor attempt at a government conspiracy, even by conspiracy theorists standards.

[Bell]

:rolleyes:

Don't :rolleyes: but answer the question.

You mean you haven't taken all of your evidence to the police? Don't you want the perpetrators to get punnished?

[Psiload]

After extensive consideration of the material on Killtown's website, I've come to the obvious conclusion:

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/ronald-reagan/reagan_bonzo.jpg

Bonzo did it... to impress Jody Foster.

[Oliver]

You are a stupid idiot. Honestly, the fact that you would put so much work into something so ridiculous truly enlightens me to the naivette surrounding the Conspiracy Theory population.

You deserve to be beheaded by a terrorist to wake your stupid ass up to reality.

Please do not make comments wishing violence on other forum members.

Maybe Killtown is just running out of good CT´s since he read in here. :D



PS: Ignore this - it´s a "mod-tag"-test.

Oliver, do not post fake mod boxes.

[bjb]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the #1 reason why George H. Bush could not have ordered the assassination. He was too much of a wimp!

[Killtown]

So what? He was also an ex-Navy pilot. By your logic, the Navy tried to kill Ronald Reagan. You are better offl accusing Al Haig of trying to kill Reagan, since he's the one who claimed 'to be in control' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Haig#.22I.27m_in_control_here.22) after Reagan was shot. At the time, a lot of people thought it was suspicious. Besides, if Bush Sr. was behind it, he would have made sure to be in Washington to take over from Reagan.

You need to show that Bush's evil plot involved some cooperation from the US government for this to qualify as a government conspiracy. So far, you have the Hinkley family, who have no government ties whatsoever. It's a very poor attempt at a government conspiracy, even by conspiracy theorists standards.
So you think if Bush had Reagan shot it didn't involved the gov't? Should I amend my poll?

[Hellbound]

Maybe Killtown is just running out of good CT´s since he read in here. :D



PS: Ignore this - it´s a "mod-tag"-test.

Test test test

Oliver:

Just a warning, the mods do NOT like it when you play with their toys.

So, I wouldn't plan on adding a mod tag yourself anywhere.

[DavidJames]

Don't :rolleyes: but answer the question.he did, to the best of his intellectual capability anyway.

KT is intellectually dishonest. I'm not sure he's smart enough to even know it.

[Killtown]

Don't :rolleyes: but answer the question.
Should I email it to them?

[kc440_]

Here's the conspiracy theory. I'm not saying I believe in it, but I do know many Conspiracy theories. So don't chop off my head. Ronald Reagan was shot so George HW Bush could become President -- to achieve goals re the New World Order. Fortunately, it didn't work. A photo exists of a guy crouching down on a screened-in terrace to Hinckley's right and up a flight. He was shooting too. I hope I can locate the picture. It doesn't matter to the oil barons who else gets killed. I feel so sorry for the others who were shot. That's the theory as to why. It was a serious attempt on his life with the neurotic patsy found shooting nearby.

Dick Gregory maintains that they took a mentally ill man who was in love with a movie star, have him shoot a President who was an actor on Academy Awards Day. Just reporting.

kc440

[Oliver]

Oliver:

Just a warning, the mods do NOT like it when you play with their toys.

So, I wouldn't plan on adding a mod tag yourself anywhere.

Toys? :eye-poppi You mean there are more Tags like the "mod"-tag? :confused:

[Bell]

Should I email it to them?

So you didn't approach the police with your evidence?

[boloboffin]

Killtown,

Do you have any control over these impulses to make yourself look idiotic in public?

[Killtown]

Killtown,

Do you have any control over these impulses to make yourself look idiotic in public?

Will the moderators uphold the forum's rules even if they disagree with me?

[Killtown]

So you didn't approach the police with your evidence?
Um, how can I do that and stay anonymous (ie no one sees me, even wrapped up in clothes covering my face) at the same time?

[Oliver]

Will the moderators uphold the forum's rules even if they disagree with me?

Off course.

Do not post fake mod boxes.

[Bell]

Um, how can I do that and stay anonymous (ie no one sees me, even wrapped up in clothes covering my face) at the same time?

Okay, so you didn't approach the police.

1.) Because you want to stay anonymous. Why?
2.) Have you approached the Washington Post then?

[Darth Rotor]

Should I email it to them?
Yes.

Please be sure to Cc the Brady family, and the secret service agent who took one of the bullets for President Reagan.
Although many Secret Service agents have been shot while on duty, only one has actually taken a bullet for the president. Agent Tim McCarthy was shot as he shielded President Reagan with his body on March 30, 1981. John Hinckley fired six shots at Reagan outside the Washington Hilton Hotel. An agent was shot while guarding president-elect Franklin Roosevelt in 1933.
Your assertion would be far sounder if you confined your suspiscions of a plot to GHW Bush and his own inner circle, supporters, etc, rather than "the government." The various stuff on your site points to that, not to "a government conspiracy."

Won't comment on your assumptions as to why SS took Reagan out the way they did, other than to suggest that such a routine might be to prevent a successful attack. Out the back door to avoid being framed in the front door, assassin lurking in street, etc.

Now, if this alleged pro Bush cabal has a mole in the SS, well, then you are on to something.

Next: evidence of that mole. Got any?

DR

[Killtown]

Okay, so you didn't approach the police.

1.) Because you want to stay anonymous. Why?
2.) Have you approached the Washington Post then?
1) My reasons.
2) I have a website open to the public. ANYBODY is able to review it and if you want to forward it to the WP, feel free.

[Darth Rotor]

Off course.

Whoa, how do the mods do that?

DR

Do not use the Mod tag

[Killtown]

Your assertion would be far sounder if you confined your suspiscions of a plot to GHW Bush and his own inner circle, supporters, etc, rather than "the government." The various stuff on your site points to that, not to "a government conspiracy."
Um, what was Bush Sr. title at the time of the shooting?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Your comment is so sad that I feel sorry for you.

Says the admitted nazi sympathizer.

[Bell]

1) My reasons.
2) I have a website open to the public. ANYBODY is able to review it and if you want to forward it to the WP, feel free.

1.) Whatever reasons.
2.) The fact that it's open to the public, but neither the police, FBI, SS nor the Washington Post or other media outlets picked this up, what does this tell you?

[Killtown]

Says the admitted nazi sympathizer.
Prove that allegation against me, or apologize for that statement.

[realitybites]

2.) The fact that it's open to the public, but neither the police, FBI, SS nor the Washington Post or other media outlets picked this up, what does this tell you?
That the police, FBI, SS and WaPo are all in on it too. No self respecting conspiracy would have less than 500,000,000 willing participants. Even one such as a failed assassination attempt.

[Killtown]

2.) The fact that it's open to the public, but neither the police, FBI, SS nor the Washington Post or other media outlets picked this up, what does this tell you?
They are cowards to not go after something like this?

[sackett]

Go here and read and weep:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Presidential_assassination_attempts#F ranklin_D._Roosevelt

Yeah, sure. Like Capone just LOVED that joo bastich Roosevelt. Cermak was doubling the price of everything at City Hall, but hey, businessmen will be businessmen.

Don’t listen to them, Krilltown.

ETA: In fact, don't even post here. Yeah, that's safer.

[Hellbound]

They are cowards to after something like this?

Insulting is the weakest form of debate.

:whistling

[Darth Rotor]

Um, what was Bush Sr. title at the time of the shooting?
Vice President, however, that is irrelevant.

You make an error by associating a person acting illegally and covertly within the government -- if indeed VP Bush and / or a group (has to stay small to avoid compromise) arranges his succession to the Presidency via illegal means -- who are not acting beyond their official capacity, but rather for purely selfish interests.

Do you understand the difference between a cabal, a covert conspiracy outside official channels, and an official government covert operation? Your questions and misuse of terms suggests a fundemantal lack of understanding.

If you want your assertions to be credible, don't use the arguments of an ignoramous.

DR

[Jeff Wagg]

Per request of Killtown, the poll has been closed.

[Darth Rotor]

Go here and read and weep:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Presidential_assassination_attempts#F ranklin_D._Roosevelt
Yeah, sure. Like Capone just LOVED that joo bastich Roosevelt. Cermak was doubling the price of everything at City Hall, but hey, businessmen will be businessmen.

Don’t listen to them, Krilltown.

ETA: In fact, don't even post here. Yeah, that's safer.
Was the agent on duty guarding FDR, or the mayor? Shot while performing the duty of guarding FDR, whether FDR was or was not the target, renders the Post's summary of the incident correct.

What is your major malfunction, mister?

DR

[Bell]

They are cowards to not go after something like this?

The Washington Post that broke Watergate?

How about your evidence adds up to nothing?

[Killtown]

Per request of Killtown, the poll has been closed.
Thanks Jeff. Can you lock this thread and could I start another poll on the same topic with more of a precise question?

[CurtC]

Is there any evidence for that?What part of this did you not read?...
I started reading it, but it was pretty rambling, so I just scanned the rest. However, I didn't see any evidence that Reagan's shooting was an inside job. Can you point out where on your too-long page that evidence might be?

[realitybites]

Killtown, I've looked over your site. Consider me a convert, buddy! Well done. You know what did it for me? Two things really:

Was it just a coincidence that Reagan was 70 yrs old and shot at on his 70th day in office?

I mean wow dude... Wow. That's some heavy poo right there man. MIND. BLOWING.

And of course following it up with:
Was Reagan almost just another victim of U.S. Presidents dying in office if they were elected in a year ending in a zero?

Well that solves it then. Thank you, KT. Thank you for showing me the light.

[/sarcasm]

Did you ever stop to think that the fact Reagan DIDN'T die while in office after being elected In A Year Of Zero might negate even bringing the point up? Or were you too busy giddily connecting all of your "dots" to realize it?

Oh, and something else you missed. Did you know that 70 contains seven letters? 70+7=77. 77 contains 12 letters. 77+12=89. 8+9=17 which contains 9 letters. Now. If you flip the number 77 over, it looks like 2 italicized L's. But if you put the number 9 in front of that, what does it look like....?

[sackett]

Hey, chill a lil', Darth. I was just showing how easily you can whip up a frothy bunch of CT meringue out of nothing at all.

ETA: I'm obviously not even in Reality's league.

[Killtown]

your too-long page
Funny, first CT's are criticized for not having enough evidence, now we are being criticised for our amount of evidence being too long.

[Hellbound]

Funny, first CT's are criticized for not having enough evidence, now we are being criticised for our amount of evidence being too long.

Wrong.

Your criticized for having a long page of speculation, conjecture, and unsupported assertions that build into a twenty-story house of cards, adding a lot of irrelevent verbage without providing any additional evidence.

But thanks for playing.

[Bell]

Funny, first CT's are criticized for not having enough evidence, now we are being criticised for our amount of evidence being too long.

The 'evidence' no law enforcement agency or media outlet is picking up? LOL

[Killtown]

Moderators, can you please lock this thread? I would like to start a new one with a more accurate question and more choices.

[Bell]

Moderators, can you please lock this thread? I would like to start a new one with a more accurate question and more choices.

Running away from the discussion?

Why don't you tell us why none of the law enforcement agencies or media outlets picked up your evidence?

[Killtown]

Running away from the discussion?
Um, what part of:

I would like to start a new one

did you not understand?

[Bell]

Um, what part of:



did you not understand?

What was wrong with the question:

Was the Reagan shooting a gov't conspiracy?

And what is wrong with the discussion in this thread?

[bjb]

So you think if Bush had Reagan shot it didn't involved the gov't? Should I amend my poll?

Sure, why not? Why go for the added complication of *government* conspiracy when you can keep it in the family? All you need is Neil Bush to find out about Hinkley's obsession with Jodie Foster and the movie "Taxi Driver" (I'm surprised you don't have information about "Taxi Driver" on your page). Hinkley had already stalked Jimmy Carter so Bush only needed to guide Hinkley to Reagan and get the job done.

[Killtown]

What was wrong with the question:

And what is wrong with the discussion in this thread?
Because I forgot how LITERAL some people are here and my question left holes. Some members apparantly think Bush could have been behind the shooting, but that it wasn't a "gov't conspiracy".

[Hellbound]

Why bother with a poll at all?

Everyone is giving their opinions in thread, and a poll from here will prove, well, absolutely nothing.

Not that quality (or absence) of evidence has ever stopped you before...

[Darth Rotor]

Because I forgot how LITERAL some people are here and my question left holes. Some members apparantly think Bush could have been behind the shooting, but that it wasn't a "gov't conspiracy".
Fine.

I give you some fedback on how to strengthen your position, based on the info you present on your website, and you whinge about it. Have it your way, you don't seem to want to convince anyone with even modest reasoning power.

Best of luck in making your case.

DR

[bjb]

There are other reasons why the government would not have been involved in Reagan's assassination attempt. As we know, any good conspiracy theorist must consider who would benefit most from Reagan's assassination. At the time, Reagan was increasing military spending and lowering taxes for the rich and for businesses. He was the hero of the military-industrial-globalist complex that runs the world so why would they want to get rid of him? Because of his anti-USSR behavior, Reagan was a favorite of the FBI, CIA, etc., especially when compared to Jimmy Carter.
The globalists also realized that the New World Order could not come about until the USSR was defeated. Reagan was the perfect president to do this.

Since there really wasn't enough support in the goverment for an assassination attempt on Reagan, George H. Bush would have benefited most from Reagan being shot. This is why a large government conspiracy is less credible than a small, private conspiracy run by George Bush and his family.

[Bell]

Why bother with a poll at all?

Everyone is giving their opinions in thread, and a poll from here will prove, well, absolutely nothing.

Not that quality (or absence) of evidence has ever stopped you before...

Could not have said it better myself.

[Oliver]

Off course.

Do not use the mod tag.

WTF! http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107451da7e781cb2.gif

[Killtown]

Moderators, please close this thread, so I can start a more accurate one.

Thanks.

[bjb]

Funny, first CT's are criticized for not having enough evidence, now we are being criticised for our amount of evidence being too long.

Your page is too long because you pasted the same paragraphs twice.

Also, you're missing all of the information about John Hinkley's long history of mental illness, his letters to Jodie Foster, or his obsession with the movie "Taxi Driver" and Lee Harvey Oswald? You aren't trying to hide the fact that Hinkley was crazy and obsessed with assassinating a president, are you?

[Gravy]

Killtown, when will you apologize to Val McClatchey?Why would he apologize to the woman who attempted to kill Ronald Reagan? And remember what Lynnette "Squeaky" McClatchey did to Ford? There's bad blood in that family, my friend, bad blood.

[CurtC]

Funny, first CT's are criticized for not having enough evidence, now we are being criticised for our amount of evidence being too long.

Oh, BS. I was looking for any evidence on your page, and have not seen any. In spite of having little or (more likely) no evidence, it's still dozens of pages long. If you think you have any evidence, let's just see what it is without all the numerology crap.

[Gravy]

This is a HEADLINE on Killtown's Reagan "evidence" page:
Was it just a coincidence that Reagan was 70 yrs old and shot at on his 70th day in office?Killtown, why haven't you apologized to Val McClatchey, and why do you think that Photoshopped feces on the graves of 9/11 murder victims is "Funny!"?

Just asking questions and demanding answers. You've refused to answer the questions in your other threads, so I'm going to keep asking them wherever you post.

[Donal]

Why would high level government officials need to shoot the President? Considering how everything is prepared for him, why not just poison his food or something?

That keeps it in-house, cleaner, less witnesses to the act, you don't need a gunman to hurdle the Secret Service, etc etc.

[Hellbound]

Why would high level government officials need to shoot the President? Considering how everything is prepared for him, why not just poison his food or something?

That keeps it in-house, cleaner, less witnesses to the act, you don't need a gunman to hurdle the Secret Service, etc etc.

True, a couple USSS agents and the coroner in on it, and you're set.

[Darat]

Moderators, please close this thread, so I can start a more accurate one.

Thanks.
We rarely close threads and I see no reason to close this thread.

[Killtown]

We rarely close threads and I see no reason to close this thread.

Well then I'm going to start another one with another poll then.

[Oliver]

We rarely close threads and I see no reason to close this thread.

Hey! Why did you close the LC-CRASH yesterday? :boggled:

[Ducky]

Why did you close this poll? and who was the schmuck that voted yes with you?

But seriously, why close the poll? Getting creamed in the votes too much?

Also, just to let you know, traditionaly there is a "planet X" option in polls. It is a joke choice, and not including one means you have to pay 100 dollars to me.

[Ducky]

Well then I'm going to start another one with another poll then.

you want a do-over after looking like a moron?

[Darat]

Hey! Why did you close the LC-CRASH yesterday? :boggled:

If you have questions regarding the Moderation of the Forum please take them to the appropriate section of the Forum.

[Oliver]

If you have questions regarding the Moderation of the Forum please take them to the appropriate section of the Forum.

Thanks.
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[Dragonrock]

Moderators, please close this thread, my sides hurt from laughing.

[CptColumbo]

Here's the conspiracy theory. I'm not saying I believe in it, but I do know many Conspiracy theories. So don't chop off my head. Ronald Reagan was shot so George HW Bush could become President -- to achieve goals re the New World Order. Fortunately, it didn't work. A photo exists of a guy crouching down on a screened-in terrace to Hinckley's right and up a flight. He was shooting too. I hope I can locate the picture. It doesn't matter to the oil barons who else gets killed. I feel so sorry for the others who were shot. That's the theory as to why. It was a serious attempt on his life with the neurotic patsy found shooting nearby.

Dick Gregory maintains that they took a mentally ill man who was in love with a movie star, have him shoot a President who was an actor on Academy Awards Day. Just reporting.

kc440

Even if you find the photo, just because there is a person crouched on the balcony doesn't mean he shot the President. You would have to produce ballistic evidence that the bullet pulled out of the President didn't come from Hinkley's gun.

I have never heard of Dick Gregory. What evidence does he have, beyond speculation?

[Stellafane]

Well then I'm going to start another one with another poll then.

Aww, c'mon KT -- you know you only do this to get people to visit your crappy web site. But as I said before, if you believe nothing else I ever tell you, believe this: I would no sooner visit your web site than I would one that promotes pedophilia and snuff movies. Because visiting your site would undoubtedly leave me feeling just as unclean.

ETA: Anyone who thinks the Reagan assassination attempt was an inside job is a stark raving lunatic. The man was in his 70's, for crissakes. Killing him would have been as easy as slipping something into his drink and having the coroner say it was a stroke. It could have been done totally in private, involved just a handful of people at most, and at Reagan's age no one would have suspected a thing. Then again, that's always the way with conspiracy theories, isn't it? Why use a hammer to drive in a nail, when you can use a sledgehammer mounted to a rocket being fired off by an F-15?