Which Historic Sites Have You Been To?

[Tony]

Various Civil War Battlefields
Various Southern Plantations
Fort Sumpter (sp?), (Where the first shot of the civil war was fired)
The Alamo
The BattleShip Texas
The Tower Of London
Hampton Court Palace
Stone Henge
Dover Castle
Westminster Abby

I think thats it.


Which historical sites have you been to?

Which one was your favorite?

[St_Hereticus]

Originally posted by Tony
Which historical sites have you been to?

Which one was your favorite? I've been to the Vicksburg, Miss. battlefield, the Alamo, various other forts and such. Also a few silver-mining ghost towns. But my favorite "historical" site is the Luther Burbank Home and Gardens, here in the Saintly city of Roses.

[jimlintott]

I'm a sucker for historical sites. I stop at little road side placards whenever I'm travelling.

Some outstanding (very memorable) ones are :
Tower of London
Westminster Abbey
Glastonbury Abbey
Fort Henry - Kingston On.
The Forum - Montreal :)

I'll bet those Civil war sites are very interesting. You can bet if I have the chance I'll check them out.

[Patricio Elicer]

Tower of London, Westminster Abbey (yeah!,... I was standing right on top of Isaac Newton's and Charles Darwin's remains), and Stonehenge are the most important in my case.

[Kilted_Canuck]

Gettysburg
Stirling Castle
Edinburgh Castle
Colloden
Ft. Walsh
Ft. George
Kennedy Space Center
Edinburgh's Royal Mile
Fredricksburg
Ft. Sumpter

Those are the big ones. I think Stirling Castle was my favourite because we had a private party in it, and it was the most influential castle in Scotland.


I love history, and everywhere I go I visit all the historic sites I can. I would probably have a couple pages if I listed all the smaller sites I've been too.

[Luke T.]

I have been to more than I can recount. Just off the top of my head:

Tower of London. London bridge. Avignon (home of the Popes for a while). Some Roman ruins in France, Greece and Italy. Fort Ticonderoga. Yorktown. Williamsburg. I've even participated in a Civil War reenactment in Virginia. One of my subordinates in the navy was a big player in reenactments and invited me along to one. Imagine my surprise, being from Connecticut originally, upon learning I would be fighting on the Confederate side! It was a blast.

My biggest regret is that I never got around to going to Vicksburg in all the time I lived in Mississippi. I so wanted to visit there.

[Soapy Sam]

Easier in UK / Europe, where we tend to live in the middle of one.
One of the best for presentation though would have to be Gettysburg. Full marks to the people there.

My preference would be for the prehistoric sites- with which the British Isles are liberally strewn. Some of them, - often solitary megaliths- are in quite stunning locations. The atmosphere, even for a sceptical cynic, is quite palpable.

Recently I visited St. Blane's Church on the Island of Bute. There are megaliths a mile or so away, silent in a spruce forest. The church is early Celtic, it's location a sheltered hollow with dramatic views of Arran. It was raided by Vikings at least twice.

Out in the Clyde Estuary, like a ghost from the future, a nuclear submarine was cruising past. The longships are still out there.
We are a historical site.

[jj]

Lessee.

Culloden

Cromdale (unfortunately one doesn't make up for the other :) )

Oh, and also Appamatox, Gettysburg, Ft. Necessity (there's a story there), DC, most of the London sites, Edinburg Castle, Stirling, Doune, all 4 remains of the Great Abbeys, The Mounds of Ohio, the MTA, that church in Berlin (the bombed out one), St. Andrews old course, castle, abbey, the shops in Pitlochry (just kidding, just kidding), Bamburgh Castle, Alnwich Castle, the Orchy Forest, aerial tour of the Normandy Beaches thanks to Brit Air, (my brain hurts, that last battle north of Edinburg), the Ford museum, ....

[jj]

Originally posted by Soapy Sam
My preference would be for the prehistoric sites- with which the British Isles are liberally strewn. Some of them, - often solitary megaliths- are in quite stunning locations. The atmosphere, even for a sceptical cynic, is quite palpable.


Hear, hear. The scenery about some of those sites is just stunning, isn't it?

And there are places like Glen Douglas, with the green, the reservoir that adds to the scenery, and then you go down the west side, and WHOA...

[De_Bunk]

Hey..i lived in London...

I been to 98% of them.....

( The other 2% are spread between Wales and Scotland :D )


Where ever you go in the UK...there is some famous historical site..

Wanna see what the Romans did to the UK...there must be 1,000 historical, visible, touchable sites in the UK....

DB

[jj]

Originally posted by De_Bunk
Hey..i lived in London...

I been to 98% of them.....

( The other 2% are spread between Wales and Scotland :D )


Where ever you go in the UK...there is some famous historical site..

Wanna see what the Romans did to the UK...there must be 1,000 historical, visible, touchable sites in the UK....

DB

Err, you mean "the other 2% are in England, the rest are in Wales, Scotland, Man and the Channel Islands", eh?

:D :D :D :D

(serious aside, can't be 1000, I've been to that many historical sites, I think, and I've hardly been systematic about it... Methinks you underestimate... :) )

(in best Monty Python voice) AND NOW WE SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

[Soapy Sam]

jj- Prestonpans? Stirling Bridge? Bannockburn? Murrayfield?

We have so many. And we lost most of em.

(Specially at Murrayfield).

[Doubt]

To many to count. Many of them obscure.

My father was a history teacher. All of his entry fees were a tax right off. Every time we went on vacation, we would get to see at least one battlefield, fort, or ship. Often many of them. One trip to Massachusetts was all historical sites.

I have been to forts which nobody knows about. Fort Frederica in Georgia was one of the obscure ones. The fort was never attacked, but the British garrison there stopped the Spanish from moving into Georgia in the 1700’s. The "fort" walls are about 5 feet high.

[tim]

Stonehenge. These days you can only view the stones from a distance. When I was a kid you could wander amongst them. I got to do this again a few years ago. It was magic.
Malta - the prehistoric temples.
Any Roman remains.
Well, anything old, actually! :D :D :D

[Soapy Sam]

jj- Are you sure you mean Glen Douglas? I only know the one (there may be more- there are about twenty "Ben Mores), between Loch Long and Loch Lomond. A single track road goes through. Big military weapons base (mostly underground) there- supposedly got nukes in.
No reservoir though. "

Plenty to choose from that fit your description- and thankfully, still quiet most of the time.

[zakur]

Here's what I can remember. Lots more I can't recall right now.

Uffington White Horse, Dragon Hill, Waylands Smithy (and all that other cool stuff near Uffington, including The Ridgeway), West Wycombe Village, Warwick Castle, Cambridge University, Tower Bridge, Tower of London, Westminster Abbey (and lots of other places in and around London), La Alhambra, La Sagrada Familia, Monasterio de las Huelgas, Cathedral of Seville including the Tomb of Christopher Columbus (purportedly), Palacio Real (and lots of other places in Spain), Serpent Mound, Miamisburg Mound (lots of Indian mounds in Ohio), Castillo de San Marcos and Old St. Augustine, St. Louis Arch, Alcatraz, Golden Gate Bridge, the Presidio (and other places in and around San Francisco), Mt. Rushmore, Colonial Williamsburg, Monticello, Washington's birth place, Mt. Vernon (and lots of other places in an around D.C.), Gettysburg and several other Civil War battlefields...

This is bringing back memories of old family vacations...

[Eirik]

I've been to a few...

In the US:
The Old North Church
Fanuiel Hall (Boston)
U.S.S. Constitution
San Buenaventura mission in Ventura, CA
San Luis Obispo mission
Mount Rushmore

In Europe:
The original site of the Althing in Iceland
The meeting house for the Reykjavik summit
The burial site of Shakesphere
Blarney Castle (and I kissed the stone :D )
Westminster Abby
Tower Bridge
Tower of London
Eiffel Tower
Notre Dam
Franz Kafka's house in Prauge
Koln Cathedral
A Concentration camp in Austria (I beleive Gusen)
as a cultural event, the Operomogau (sp?) Passion play

I can recall several other major historical or cultural sites that I've been to, but can't pull their names out of my head.

[jj]

Originally posted by Soapy Sam
jj- Prestonpans? Stirling Bridge? Bannockburn? Murrayfield?

We have so many. And we lost most of em.

(Specially at Murrayfield).

WHACK! Ow! Hit my head! Yeah. Bannockburn. That's what I was thinking of. Also been to Stirling, of course.

Your point is, of course, very true. (sigh)

[pgwenthold]

Originally posted by Eirik
I've been to a few...

In the US:
The Old North Church
Fanuiel Hall (Boston)
U.S.S. Constitution


A couple of years ago, my wife and did a whirlwind tour of New England and New France. So we started in Boston and did all the obvious ones there (add Bunker Hill), worked our way to Montreal where we stayed in the old town and saw the fort, among other things, then moved to Quebec City and spent a lot of time in the old part of the city there. That was about the end of our historical tour as we then dropped through Maine before going back to Boston.

Been to the palaces in Prague and Warsaw, and a polish castle.

Stone Mountain (Atlanta)
Alamo (yawn)

and of course

Battle of Tippecanoe Battleground

[jj]

Originally posted by Soapy Sam
jj- Are you sure you mean Glen Douglas? I only know the one (there may be more- there are about twenty "Ben Mores), between Loch Long and Loch Lomond. A single track road goes through. Big military weapons base (mostly underground) there- supposedly got nukes in.
No reservoir though. "

Plenty to choose from that fit your description- and thankfully, still quiet most of the time.

Well, I do mean Glen Douglas. There was certainly a reservoir there a while ago, about 1990, on the east end, just after you climb up the 'b' road through all those switchbacks off the gnarled motorway along Loch Lomond... (We took it as a short cut because traffic along the Loch was backed up due to construction. We could see the construction about 5 miles ahead, and it was wall to wall unhappy Vauxhall drivers from here to there. So we turned right, and went UP.)

And then farther on, that base. Yikes! Look straight ahead, keep moving, and hope the car doesn't break down! I have no idea what's there, except there are just a FEW antennae there, and it seems like a lot of power going into a small building...

[Brown]

Ellis Island.

Every US citizen should visit.

[Craig]

Off the top of my head:

Bannockburn
Stirling Castle
Edinburgh Castle
Tower of London
The Wallace Monument
London Bridge
The Eiffel Tower
The H.M.S Discovery
The Kennedy Space Centre (watched the launching of Discovery - amazing)
Hampton Court
Various smaller castles and places, Broughty Castle, the grave of Robbie Burns' father, etc. That reminds me, the Brig o' Doon and surrounding bits and pieces.

I don't know that I have a favourite to be honest.

[ManfredVonRichthoffen]

Lived at West Point, which is chocked full o' historical crap.

Couple of battlefields in the DC area which I don't remember the names of anymore. It's been quite a while. And I was in middle school.

Visited a bunch of Mad Ludvig's castles. Actually every town is southern Germany has a castle, and something happened at any one of those places at some point in history.

I guess if you ask where I have visited just to appreciate the historical context, I'd have to say:
Alamo
uh......

That's it. Don't go do those things much. I find it interesting if I am sitting in a nice place, to find out that it has some historical significance. I don't seek them out though.

[Mr. Skinny]

I'm not well traveled, so the only things I can recall are "Old Ironsides" in Boston and Plymouth Rock (it's just a stinkin' rock....nothing to look at really).

Oh, and I got to go to Edwards AFB once. I met Chuck Yeager while I was there. He's practicaly a historical site.

[arcticpenguin]

Nijo Castle (Nijo-jo) in Kyoto, Japan.

http://www.pref.kyoto.jp/intro/trad/isan/nijyo_e.html

The Castle was built by Tokugawa Ieyasu, the founder of the Tokugawa Shogunate, in 1603 as his residence in Kyoto.
The Castle has been a venue of various important historic events: here Ieyasu and his rival Hideyori Toyotomi held talks; the General Staff Office was located in this Castle during the two civil wars in which Ieyasu defeated Hideyori; and the fifteenth Shogun Tokugawa Yoshinobu announced his resolution to return his administrative power to the Imperial Household here in 1867.

[arcticpenguin]

White heron castle (Hakuro-jo) in Himeji, Japan. (aka Himeji-jo)

http://www.worldheritagesite.org/sites/site661.html

Himeji is the best-preserved example of 16th century Japanese castle architecture. It was built in 1580 by a lord called Toyotomi Hideyoshi.

[Chris Haynes]

Hmm... I hope I can list them all (I know I've been to The Alamo, but I was only 4, so I'm not going to list things I don't remember):

Carmel Mission of Monterey, plus some historic sites there from its history as part of a Spanish Colony

The English Camp and The American Camp on San Juan Island in Washington State which was the site of a border conflict

Mt. St. Helens National Volcanic Monument (so it was only 23 years ago when it blew, that was still historic)

From the Virginia/Washington, DC trip: Yorktown, VA, Colonial Williamsburg, Mt. Vernon, VA, Parts of Washington, DC (like the library, etc)

McCormick Distillery in Weston, MO (well it is old!, and it is in the "Town that Time Forgot", which is true in more ways than one)

Lakeview Cemetary in Seattle (where several local historic folk and Bruce Lee and son are buried), plus much of the Pioneer Square are and perhaps even the site of the Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition, also known as the Univ. of Washington)

Ft. Huachuca, AZ (well, most of the military bases I lived on or visited have some historic factor)

Tombstone, AZ

Fort San Lorenzo on the Atlantic side of Panama

Portobelo in Panama

Well, uh... most of the area around the Panama Canal (including the canal, and the remnants of the original trail across the isthmus, El Camino Real)

The birthplace of Simón Bolívar in Caracas

The National Pantheon in Caracas

I know on our trip to Europe we did hit some historic sites, lots of cathedrals and castles (Amsterdam, Basel, Salzburg, Graz, Stein am Rheim, Strasbourg, around Bavaria -- like a couple of the King Ludwig's castles). Let me see about those that are not churches nor castles:

There is a hill in Stuttgart, Germany which is made of debris from WWII that was bulldozed to help rebuild the city

The Eiffel Tower in Paris, plus The Louvre (in Reims and surrounding area a couple of champagne houses, yum!)

The central plaza in Vienna where there is a monument dedicated to the victems of the bubonic plague, oh and the Lipizzaner horse show (which was really boring), and a sign on a building telling us that Mozart had lived there

a salt mine near Salzburg

[Snide]

I've been to a few, including Mt. Vernon and other Washington DC landmarks. But it was the USS Arizona that left the greatest impresion on me.

[Snide]

Originally posted by Brown
Ellis Island.

Every US citizen should visit. Ooh yes. Saw it, but did not take the ferry. Next time!!

[arcticpenguin]

French Asylum (http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/ppet/french/page1.asp?secid=31) in Pennsylvania, USA. A village was constructed for aristocratic refugees from the French Revolution. A house was even constructed for Marie Antoinette and her offspring, although she did not survive to settle there.

[Stig]

My favourite historic site is the standing stones at Carnac in Brittany, France.

Here is a link to a guy who has some nice pictures of the site.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/pardons_house/thumbnail_pictures_france_brittany.htm

Every time I holiday in Brittany I try to visit this site, I find it awe-inspiring. The effort put into getting those stones there and arranged is amazing.

Here's another link for those interested in megalithic alignments.

http://www.megalithia.com/brittany/carnac/


Stig

[tim]

These!

[Captain_Snort]

I used to live in Plymouth and have thrown up over the very steps that the pilgrim fathers left from (splitters)

The area I used to live in in Glasgow is called Battlefield, after the battle of Langside in 1568.

I remember once as a historical re-enactment we where wandering about Stirling castle and I got crap after some bloody americans turned a corner and found me thinking I was out the way in full armour, on my mobile phone, smoking a ciggy and drinking a can of coke. They complained, gits.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Eirik
I've been to a few...

In the US:
Fanuiel Hall (Boston)
Mount Rushmore

In Europe:
Koln Cathedral
A Concentration camp in Austria (I beleive Gusen)
as a cultural event, the Operomogau (sp?) Passion play

I can recall several other major historical or cultural sites that I've been to, but can't pull their names out of my head.

Ditto here, but I've been to the ones you've mentioned (except I've been to Dachau, near Munich, not one in Austria.

I'll post a more comprehensive list when I'm less drunk, but I did want to correct "Operamagou" (as you might be misremebering it, given the performance aspect) as "Oberammagau" (still sic, might only be 1 m).

[Frank Newgent]

Leaving Mexico and up through Texas in April of '93, I'd seen news reports of the siege at Waco and thought I'd check it out. It was Easter Sunday morning so I wasn't sure what would be going on. But sure enough, right up the hill from the biggest roadblock on earth I found the parking lot I was looking for.

See the Site $1. I had only a few dollars left and it was a foggy morning so didn't bother to look through the guy's scope. The compound was about a mile off. Didn't know the damned thing would be burned to the ground around a week later. Signed a petition, bought two T-shirts. What was most fun was just seeing who was there seeing who was there. Ready to either open fire or run like hell.

[Jeff Corey]

Plymoth Rock, USS Constution, Bunker Hill, El Morro (in San Juan), Aricbo, the church outside of Mexico City with the fake painting of Mary, the Old Mission in San Diego, Fraunce's Tavern in lower Manhattan, Jamestown, various parts of Washington D. C., Putnam's Cave and Portland Connecticut.

[Boo]

Hmmmmmm, let's see........

All Civil war battlefields in Tennessee. Eastern Virginia/ D.C. been there-done that, Eastern North Carolina as well. Grew up in Arizona so that states covered. Alamo. El Morro in Puerto Rico and most of the old town in San Juan. My favorite place was a catholic chapel and convent that are attatched to the Govenor's Palace. I don't have the words for the simplicity and austere beauty of it.

One that was pretty interesting was THE Jefferson Davis SHRINE. Saw a sign outside of Biloxi, Mississippi and had to stop. It was his final home, right in the gulf, became an old soldiers home for Confederate veteran's and their widows, and is now a museum. The last time I was there they were building a Presidential library on the grounds. A very beautiful place and rather sad in a way.

The dream is to visit the UK and Europe. It would take approximately 6 months to visit all the places I want to go.



Boo

[davefoc]

Quite a few, just to name two, great wall of China and ground zero in Nagasaki.

The Japanese museum about the atomic blast is called the cultural museum in English. I think somebody with some poor English skills named it that.

A sad story that I will always remember:
One of the exhibits is a dirt brown glass like object. It is a piece of ground from the yard of a couple. They had been in the hills when the bomb blast occurred. When they returned there was nothing left of their family (two daughters if I recall correctly) or their house except this piece of earth turned to glass.

[Robaato]

Hmm.

Mount Rushmore
Mission Santa Barbara
Washington DC
Lake Itasca (source of the Mississippi)
Kennedy Space Center

Himeji Castle
Nijo Castle
Museum of the Meiji Restoration
Imperial Palace Gardens, Tokyo
Kinkakuji (Temple of the Golden Pavilion), Kyoto
Kiyomizudera (Pure water temple), Kyoto

Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Hiroshima

Pictures of the Japanese places I've been can be found here. (http://album.rob.snookles.com)

[Jon_in_london]

Tower of London, Dover castle, Castle on Isle of wight (?), ****-loads of castles and cathedrals inc Edinburgh, Battle Abbey and the 1066 battlefield, Cape Town 'castle', Isandlwana, rorkes drift, spionkop, Beaches at Arromanches with mulberries and pill -boxes still there, The jewel tower in Westminster, Wellingtons arch etc etc.. cant remember them all.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Boo
[B]
The dream is to visit the UK and Europe. It would take approximately 6 months to visit all the places I want to go.
B]

Honestly Boo, you could easily spend 6 months just in England, never mind the UK as a whole.......

Anyway, if you do ever come over, PM me and Ill give you some tips.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by jj

(in best Monty Python voice) AND NOW WE SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

HELP HELP! IM BEING OPPRESSED!

:D

[CapelDodger]

The place where I was born.

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london

Honestly Boo, you could easily spend 6 months just in England, never mind the UK as a whole.......

England? Why would anyone go to England? Would it be for the food, or the weather?

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Tower of London, Dover castle, Castle on Isle of wight (?), ****-loads of castles and cathedrals inc Edinburgh, Battle Abbey and the 1066 battlefield, Cape Town 'castle', Isandlwana, rorkes drift, spionkop, Beaches at Arromanches with mulberries and pill -boxes still there, The jewel tower in Westminster, Wellingtons arch etc etc.. cant remember them all.

Wow Jon,

I am curious how is Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift marked?

The locals might not want to remember Rorke's Drift so much?

[Mike B.]

Oh Notre Dame...

thought it was very impressive.
:)

[SteveW]

I always wanted to see Runnymede a little bit after noon time. That way I could look at my watch and say to my wife " Darn it Edna, missed it by ten minutes."

[fishbob]

Chichen Itza, Uxmal, Tulum - Mexico

The Alamo, Goliad - Texas

Bandelier National Monument - New Mexico

Barrow - Alaska. How the heck did people survive in the Arctic for thousands of years? I understand the description, but I just can't picture it.

[Larspeart]

Chicanixtua
Tulum (coolest to see on april 21st!)
Temple of the Sun God (most amazing)
Kohunlich (most remote, untouched, and pristine)

Gettysburg
Vicksburg
Antietem(sp?)

Philadelphia's historical hotspots (1st capitol, Liberty Bell, Old State House, the Stonemason's Hall, Valley Forge, Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, etc)

Plymouth Rock
Martha's Vinyard

Greenfield Village
Henry Ford's estate
Henry Ford Village

Isle Royale (Good Ole' Ben Franklin!)

The Book Suppository (in Dallas)
The Grassy Gnoll, lol

more as I think of them.

[Voob]

I haven't been to Himeji castle yet, nor have I seen--that's right--never SEEN Mt. Fuji. Its always been too foggy.

But I've been just about everywhere in Kyoto-- Nijo Castle, Kinkakuji, Ginkakuji, Kiyomizudera.... Also I was allowed inside the walls of the Imperial palace in Kyoto--special day.
And the oldest wooden structure in the world-- Houryuuji temple in Nara.

I live near, and often visit Kodokan, a former school for the Samurai class in the Edo period and where the last Shogun, Yoshinobu Tokugawa, was held under house arrest after the Meiji Restoration.
And I visited the grave of the first Tokugawa Shogun in Nikko.

I live just outside the danger zone of Japan's worst-ever nuclear accident a couple years ago.

Some civil war battlefields around Fredericksburg (sp?), Virginia.
And stuff in Canada...

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Mike B.


Wow Jon,

I am curious how is Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift marked?

The locals might not want to remember Rorke's Drift so much?

How do you mean marked? Well, the mission station at Rorkes drift (KwaJim in zulu: Jim's Place) has been rebuilt although not on the same site exactly. Its a craft market type place now.

Isandlwana is much more...marked? there are quite a lot of memorials built by the British scattered over the battlfield. There are also a lot of white-washed stone cairns that mark the places where British soldiers fell and were buried. It gives me goose-bumps thinking about it; we followed the path taken by the fugitives- the odd cairn here and there and then a big knot of them where they had rallied and made a stand........ followed the path to the river which was a raging torrent back then..... saw the place where Melvill and Coghill crossed the river trying to save the colours........ I cant reccomend visiting the place highly enough.

If anyone is planing a trip to SA anytime soon- goto http://www.ecomallbiz.com/iwmhost8/fugitiveshome/
and sort yourself out.

By the way- the Zulus harbour relatively little animosity towards the British for what happened. They were/are a warrior race and I think see no shame in having lost to so worthy an adversary. So to speak.

By the by the way- the Zulus are among the most violent, chauvenistic and arrogant people I have ever met. So dont feel too sorry for them..........

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Mike B.
Oh Notre Dame...

thought it was very impressive.
:)

Sacre Cour knocks carrots into Notre Dame.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

England? Why would anyone go to England? Would it be for the food, or the weather?

You might just be suprised..........

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


How do you mean marked? Well, the mission station at Rorkes drift (KwaJim in zulu: Jim's Place) has been rebuilt although not on the same site exactly. Its a craft market type place now.

Isandlwana is much more...marked? there are quite a lot of memorials built by the British scattered over the battlfield. There are also a lot of white-washed stone cairns that mark the places where British soldiers fell and were buried. It gives me goose-bumps thinking about it; we followed the path taken by the fugitives- the odd cairn here and there and then a big knot of them where they had rallied and made a stand........ followed the path to the river which was a raging torrent back then..... saw the place where Melvill and Coghill crossed the river trying to save the colours........ I cant reccomend visiting the place highly enough.

If anyone is planing a trip to SA anytime soon- goto http://www.ecomallbiz.com/iwmhost8/fugitiveshome/
and sort yourself out.

By the way- the Zulus harbour relatively little animosity towards the British for what happened. They were/are a warrior race and I think see no shame in having lost to so worthy an adversary. So to speak.

By the by the way- the Zulus are among the most violent, chauvenistic and arrogant people I have ever met. So dont feel too sorry for them..........

Oh by marked I mean commemorated.
Are there Zulu monuments?
I was always fascinated by Rourke's Drift...11 Victoria Crosses.
I am surprised the British Army didn't do more to commemorate that site. I mean it has become so famous in art and such.

[ChrisH]

One of the most fascinating would be Pompeii - so much of the Roman town is intact you do get to feel that you understand the way people lived there. There's even preserved grafiti on the walls!

The Colosseum in Rome is impressive, too.

[jj]

Originally posted by jj


Well, I do mean Glen Douglas.

Actually, it appears I'm not talking about Glen Douglas after all for the reservoir shot.

Soapy has identified the place, a bit later on the same day, somewhat west of there.

[jj]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

England? Why would anyone go to England? Would it be for the food, or the weather?

The beer and the proximity to Scotland, Wales, the Channel Islands, and Man. :D

[jj]

Originally posted by Mike B.


Wow Jon,

I am curious how is Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift marked?

The locals might not want to remember Rorke's Drift so much?

Well, there's Drumlanrig (remember "boiled in lead")???

And Notre Dame, Arc de Triomphe (sp?), yeah, Castle at Erlangen, ditto Nurmberg, Black Forest, Ponte Vecchio, Palazio Pitti (sp?), and all those places in Firenze ...

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by jj


Well, there's Drumlanrig (remember "boiled in lead")???

And Notre Dame, Arc de Triomphe (sp?), yeah, Castle at Erlangen, ditto Nurmberg, Black Forest, Ponte Vecchio, Palazio Pitti (sp?), and all those places in Firenze ...

:confused:

[7th sextile]

Boston's Freedom Trail(Old North Church,site of
"Boston Massacre",South Meeting House,etc.)

Lexington Green (MA)

Old North Bridge,Concord(MA)

Dorchester Heights (MA)

Hubbardton Battlefield (VT)

Site of Battle of Bennington (NY)

Fort Ticonderoga and Mt Defiance (NY)

The Philadelphia II,Lake Champlain (NY)

Crown Point (NY)

Saratoga BF (NY)

Fort Stanwix (NY)

Oriskany BF (NY)

Constitution Island (NY)

Fort Putnam (NY)

New Windsor Cantonement (NY)

Washington's HQ,Newburgh (NY)

Washington's HQ,White Plains (NY)

Site of forts Clinton & Montgomery(NY)

Fort Lee(NJ)

Ford Mansion & Jockey Hollow (NJ)

Washington's Crossing (NJ & PA)

Site of Princeton BF (NJ)

Site of Monmouth BF (NJ)

Brandywine BF (PA)

Yorktown (VA)

Kings Mountain BF (NC)

Cowpens BF (NC)

Guilford Courthouse BF(NC)

Moore's Creek Bridge BF (NC)

Frost Farm,Derry (NH)

[Lothian]

Been to loads in the Uk and Ireland. Some in Europe and Asia but the most culturally significant would be the birthplace of the cabbage patch kids.

[Soapy Sam]

For a place where history comes alive and grabs you, Iceland is a winner. Sitting at the site of Niall's farm at Hlitharendi in the Rangriver plains , you can nearly hear the screams as his family burned alive inside. Spookily, excavation has indicated the story is true. Fact and fiction blur in those long, long winter nights.

The place , the entire country, is much as it was in Snorri Sturluson's day. If you read Icelandic , you can go to the national library in Reykjavik and actually read 11th century stories. The language hasn't changed much either.

A man I met there had done so several times. He said he could feel the ghosts crowding at his shoulder, urging him to turn the pages to their part of the tale.
Fey folk, Icelanders. Lovely country.