Told off by Sentinal...

[Project86]

Over on the Rottentomatoes dot com website, I've been participating in decreasingly heated debates of the usual type about 9/11. All the old tricks and canards have been used by a core group of CTers.

At some point, some random CT posted this:
"Firefighters have said that bombs were placed in the buildings. Many of them have told others that they know for a fact that this is true."

I of course questioned this silly comment like so:
"Is there any firefighter who is still making these claims? Legit question on my part. Obviously there were explosions all over the place, explosion does not equal bomb. Can we get some firefighters to come out and say "yes there was a bomb, I saw it, and I am upset that the government is telling a different story"? I know we have 1 or 2 upset firefighters who didn't like the way they were questioned by the commission, but that is not the same thing. And I know we have that crazy auxilary firefighter Paul Isaac Jr, who many people on both sides of the debate agree is way out there. But it seems that if they indeed saw bombs, there would be a lot of them coming out with the info. Same goes for cops and ems on scene."

Somehow, Sentinal saw my comment (I think he googles his name) and decided to join in. I apologized for calling him crazy, and attempted to have a respectful discussion with him. It seemed to be going OK, until he finally snapped and posted this:

"HOMOBOY,

Suck my mother ****ing dick ***** *** ******.



Respond like a real ***** now ***.

I shouldn have to apologize to punk ***** *** ******s who make the first strike. It wouldn't happebn on the street and it ain't going to happen here, so so stop slobbering on my knob and go **** yourself.

Sentinel"

I feel honored to have Paul "go off" on me (for lack of a better word). Did he do that often when he was around here?

[Oliver]

Over on the Rottentomatoes dot com website, I've been participating in decreasingly heated debates of the usual type about 9/11. All the old tricks and canards have been used by a core group of CTers. *snip*

What´s the link? :D

[Pardalis]

That's our Sentinel allright...

[Gravy]

He never lost it like that here. He did say (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1844026&postcount=36) that he didn't see bombs at the WTC.

Hello Mark,

If its the wingtv article its ********. They slandered me last year when I read them the riot act about their behavior.

The article" Fireman admits again 9-11 was an inside job" is slander.

The article written by randy lavello is also slander as he has me saying that woolsey former CIA Director Woolsey was passing a gag order down the rank and file of the FDNY. That statement was never made in that context, It was said in humor ,and as a matter of fact that so-called reporter was fired by Alex Jones for making **** up on alot of people. The only reason I didn't go through the legal channels is because lawyers cost to damn much.

So the true statement was the that I heard Explosions not bombs as I couldn't tell what the sounds were as I was blocks away and can not confirm what the noise was. As I was aproaching City Hall the North Tower began the collapse I heard what sounded like thunder just prior to the collapse then the Popping as the tower fell. I had my radio scanner and there were reports of explsions within the conplex over the PD and PAPD frequencies. As I made my way closer I could pick up on the FD Handie Talkie frequencies and it sounded like hell. No one new what the was going to happen next but when the second tower began its fall there were what sounded like loud popping coming from the tower as well as a sucking sound like reveres air pressure.

Its seems the people at 911Truth have some problems with credibility as I had approached them on this issue for clarification. No need to say they never returned my messages.

They are tools of the trade.

Take care
Paul

[Project86]

rottentomatoes dot com/vine/showthread.php?t=502001&page=1&pp=30

Start from the begining, the Sentinal rant is at the end.

Read some of the other threads too, pretty funny. I apoligize in advance because I paraphrased a few things from posts here, because you guys are just so smart.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Paul's heart is in the right place, but he is too emotionally vested in the issue to be objective.

[LashL]

Paul's heart is in the right place, but he is too emotionally vested in the issue to be objective.

It happens.

[Project86]

Paul's heart is in the right place, but he is too emotionally vested in the issue to be objective.

That's what I thought from seeing his posts around here, but that's not what I'm getting from him in that thread. So far nothing more than rants and insults.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

That's what I thought from seeing his posts around here, but that's not what I'm getting from him in that thread. So far nothing more than rants and insults.

Heh, you should see the thread here where he and I first tangled. Once I figured out wtf was going on it got better, but we did not get off on a very good foot.

[Soapy Sam]

I saw the results of concrete exploding once. (I didn't witness the event, but saw the mess next day. Several witnesses described the event to me).
No bombs, just too much CaCl2 accelerator in the cement mix water. Big concrete pad- about 2m thick by 15 m square. The explosions were pretty loud. (Several sharp cracks, easily audible at about 200m.) One witness was a Vietnam Vet, ex USMC. He said it was a far "cleaner" sound than explosives, possibly as it was in open air with no other structures to damp, muffle or add reverb.
This threw chunks of concrete a couple of metres on a side several metres away. Smaller pieces went UP at least 4-5 metres.
Nothing like this was involved in 9/11 of course, but it certainly made it clear to me that large concrete structures can tear themselves apart under internal stresses, without the assistance of bombs.

[gumboot]

Nothing like this was involved in 9/11 of course, but it certainly made it clear to me that large concrete structures can tear themselves apart under internal stresses, without the assistance of bombs.


Ever made the mistake of using river stones as the foundation of a campfire? Nuff said.

-Gumboot

[Project86]

So I answered his rant with this:

"Thank you for clarifying your position. I see now that you are indeed a very reasonable person, and you are on the verge of understanding the error in your thinking. I will continue to try and help, please feel free to ask any questions."

And then he replies like so:

"I'd like to thank you and every other higher than thou on the board blind as hell to the corruption being perpitrated against America and it citizens by rogue politions who by the way nevr consider putting their children on the front lines of the insane Operation Iraqi Liberation sacm.

I'd like to ask you, how many of you have family in the war and did you have to buy them equipment they should have already had.

Where did the 87 billion (with a big B) Go?


Why are a NG forces being cut off from military medical care as soon as they hit state side?


Its ok to be a patriot just don't walk around with your head up you're derrier blind as a bat.

Oooh, and for the disbelievers Why did John "Jeb" Bush coincidently put the state of Florida on alert on September 7th 2001 and isn't coincidentle that his brother was totally aware the 9-11 was on screen when no other state was?

And the fact that he was in florida the day we lost 3000 people to a preventable terrorist event and lead us into a distraction from the WOT?

The reason we really went to Iraq qas to prevent Saddam from making a profit on the Oil in Euros instead of Dollars.

Heres a trick question I know you'll refuse to answer: where did the Gold go below WTC4?

And what about the Swiss Nazi Gold that was supposed to be paid out to the Hollocaust victims in those Nazi Camps.

Funny how the people in the towers were ordered to return to the offices even after the people in the know knew there was a pre-known attack aimed at the towers.

Carl Roves Grandfather was alledged to have been a nazi regional commander. Bushes grandfather was a Nazi Collaborator. Swartzenegger fathers was connected to the Nazis.

Hitler had a working plan to hit NYC skyscrappers with suicide pilots even before Pearl Harbor. The Rockefeller Family through Standard oil of NJ were half owners of IG Farben which created the Zyklon B and were responsible for the WTC Project that coincidently were hit by Planes as like the Hitler project were three thousand innocent victims were sacrifised for the profit of the few.

"You can't handle the truth"

"WORK MAKES YOU FREE"

GOD BLESS

Paul Isaac Jr (Sentinel)
NYC Civil Defense at Large"



Wow... I don't even know where to begin. In fact, I see now that there IS no place to begin. There's no point in discussing anything with this guy, entertaining as it is. It almost makes me feel guilty in a way, a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

[gumboot]

And what about the Swiss Nazi Gold that was supposed to be paid out to the Hollocaust victims in those Nazi Camps.


I found his mention of this really curious. I'm not entirely sure where he is going with it, but it's a little ironic, because the guy that managed all that stolen gold was a Swiss man named Francois Genoud.

After WW2 he funded ODESSA before dipping his nastly little fingers into Islamic Terrorism. He was involved in Black September, the PFLP, and funded Carlos The Jackal amongst others.

It gets better. He was also a co-founder (along with others equally linked to Nazism and Islamic Terrorism) of the Al Taqwa bank, which was closed down in conjunction with 9/11 investigations.

So that "Nazi Gold" does have a link to the perpetrators of 9/11. It's just not the perpetrators he thinks it is.

-Gumboot

[Sentinel]

See, we all can be civil when we want to be.

I just see things a little different from you guys because I'm looking at the local events that took place before 9-11. Theres the theft of public records by guliani that need answering.

Grand larceny 2 and 4


Sentinel

[Pardalis]

Theres the theft of public records by guliani that need answering.

Grand larceny 2 and 4


Sentinel

Proof?

[rwguinn]

Proof?

or even evidence?
You got nothin'

[Pardalis]

It's a pretty big accusation you know, Sentinel.

[T.A.M.]

Noone here defends corruption. Noone here defends the government. Most here, however, want proof before they condemn people of murder, and treason. That, to me, seems reasonable.

If criminals were convicted on "co-incidences" and "opinions" alone, the USA would have to take over Canada just to build enough prisons to keep people in.

TAM

[60hzxtl]

It's a pretty big accusation you know, Sentinel.

Sentinel - the guy who pulls the false alarm.

[Sentinel]

The Guliani admin right after 9-11 while sating he needed more time as mayor illegally removed public records to store them in a private storage for shreading operation. the records pertain to ilegal deals with major league baseball stadiums and other deals.


Theres plenty of evidence.


Sentinel

[Sentinel]

Village Voice



Sentinel

[Pipirr]

The Guliani admin right after 9-11 while sating he needed more time as mayor illegally removed public records to store them in a private storage for shreading operation. the records pertain to ilegal deals with major league baseball stadiums and other deals.

Sentinel

Finally! Evidence that Major League Baseball was behind 9/11. I knew it. Smoking gun!

[Aoidoi]

Finally! Evidence that Major League Baseball was behind 9/11. I knew it. Smoking gun!
McGwire: Hi, folks! I'm Mark McGwire.
Computer: Big Mac himself. Who'd have thunk it?
McGwire: Young Bart here is right. We are spying on you, pretty
much around the clock.
Bart: But why, Mr. McGwire?
McGwire: Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to
see me sock a few dingers?
Crowd: Dingers! Dingers!
[McGwire hits the long ball]
Oooh!
McGwire: [takes printout] Yoink!
[tucks it under his hat and looks around, suspiciously]

[delphi_ote]

McGwire: Hi, folks! I'm Mark McGwire.
Computer: Big Mac himself. Who'd have thunk it?
McGwire: Young Bart here is right. We are spying on you, pretty
much around the clock.
Bart: But why, Mr. McGwire?
McGwire: Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to
see me sock a few dingers?
Crowd: Dingers! Dingers!
[McGwire hits the long ball]
Oooh!
McGwire: [takes printout] Yoink!
[tucks it under his hat and looks around, suspiciously]
Mike Sweeney is a GOP operative (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,225406,00.html)! It's all coming together!

[Sentinel]

Relating to MLB, I'm not pointing fingers but there are some questions relating to Keyspan Energy/ Enron and MLB.

1st The NY Mets and yankees both got minor leaugue teams during "Guliani Time".

2 Two Months before 9-11 (15 July 2001) Keyspan/Enron Imploded the Keyspan Maspeth Holder Tank using Controlled Demolition Inc (Murrah Federal Building OKC)

3 Keyspan Park was built by Turner Construction inc Of Dallas Tx. Who just happened to hold the 38th Floor of the North Tower.

4 The Brooklyn Cyclons who play in Keyspan Park played their first game a month before the Keyspan/Enron Implosion.

5th On May 11th four months before 9-11 The Feds, NY/NJ and Privates had a drill called Red-X (Ready Excersice) Drill. It seem these people knew how to communicate very well with each other on this date but on 9-11--?

6th On 9-11 pier 912 was set up for a drill called Tri-pod. WTC-7 had minimal personnel including my former Captain of E294 Queens Richard Rotanzs Deputy Director OEM who was on the platform that morning.

7th The FEMA USAR Leader MASS Tom Kenny stated on camara the were on scene NY on Monday Evening to get ready for the next day.

8th When the cats away the mice shall play meaning When the opresidents on RR The VEEP calls the shots.

9. why was duff and nasty still looking for flight 11 when 175 already impacted. Why when they resquested "Bogey Dope" they were instructed JFK Airport (Queens South)

10. Why did Guliani keep spraying Malothion and Anvil which has put the police escorts in grave health danger (Nerve Agent?


GOD Bless

Sentinel

[Sentinel]

Turner Construction paid $100.000 to the 2000 GWB Campain. Turner Construction was bought out by a German Consortium with the first 4 leters HOCH. This company operated under Hitler as Airport Logistics.

GOD Bless

Sentinel NY Civil Defense at Large
(Not on my watch)

[Pipirr]

So there's a possibility that Major League Baseball really was involved in 9/11?

Ay caramba

[Peephole]

2 Two Months before 9-11 (15 July 2001) Keyspan/Enron Imploded the Keyspan Maspeth Holder Tank using Controlled Demolition Inc (Murrah Federal Building OKC)
A controlled demolition firm performing a controlled demolition? Shocking!

3 Keyspan Park was built by Turner Construction inc Of Dallas Tx. Who just happened to hold the 38th Floor of the North Tower.
A construction firm performing a construction? Shocking!

5th On May 11th four months before 9-11 The Feds, NY/NJ and Privates had a drill called Red-X (Ready Excersice) Drill. It seem these people knew how to communicate very well with each other on this date but on 9-11--?
I would think that drills don't necesarilly reflect the situation in an actual emergency.

6th On 9-11 pier 912 was set up for a drill called Tri-pod. WTC-7 had minimal personnel including my former Captain of E294 Queens Richard Rotanzs Deputy Director OEM who was on the platform that morning.

7th The FEMA USAR Leader MASS Tom Kenny stated on camara the were on scene NY on Monday Evening to get ready for the next day.

Didn't FEMA's presence help the response? Further I don't read anything into this other than a coincidence.

9. why was duff and nasty still looking for flight 11 when 175 already impacted. Why when they resquested "Bogey Dope" they were instructed JFK Airport (Queens South)

In the confusion someone told that flight 11 was still in the air.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608?currentPage=6

[WildCat]

Turner Construction paid $100.000 to the 2000 GWB Campain. Turner Construction was bought out by a German Consortium with the first 4 leters HOCH. This company operated under Hitler as Airport Logistics.
That's a crazy post even by your standards Sentinel!

[Oliver]

Turner Construction was bought out by a German Consortium with the first 4 leters HOCH. This company operated under Hitler as Airport Logistics.

Huh? :boggled: And whats the full name of this "Consortium"? :confused:

[delphi_ote]

10. Why did Guliani keep spraying Malothion and Anvil which has put the police escorts in grave health danger (Nerve Agent?
This isn't just plurium interrogationum. You're accusing Rudi Guliani of deliberately gassing police officers with a nerve agent without any evidence. Just because you put a question mark at the end doesn't absolve you of responsibility for the things you are saying. You can't hide behind that punctuation mark. What you've said is a horrible thing. Prove it or retract it and apologize.

[Aoidoi]

So there's a possibility that Major League Baseball really was involved in 9/11?

Ay carambaIndeed. The reason there is so much steroid use in baseball is so that they could strategically place batters around support columns within the WTC to hit them with baseball bats until the building's collapsed. So you might ask what happened to the baseball players during the collapse? Well clearly they were beamed onto the ISS. Unfortunately, due to the van Allen belts human space travel is actually impossible, so they were all killed instantly. MLB has android replacements for all players standing by for just such an occassion, which is why the players appear to still be playing. Though that's mostly irrelevant, because they've already played out the next fourteen seasons in advance because steroids cause people's heads to explode after 2 years of use, so they had to record ahead. WTC7 was demolished to cover up the sound stage where they've been prerecording all those games (previously used to stage the moon landings and JFK assassination, JFK is secretly still president, of course). "Pull it" was actually a reference to hitting, turns out the detonation switch for the building was in right field of the fake stadium.

See? It all makes perfect sense!

[WildCat]

Indeed. The reason there is so much steroid use in baseball is so that they could strategically place batters around support columns within the WTC to hit them with baseball bats until the building's collapsed. So you might ask what happened to the baseball players during the collapse?
The "official story" has it that the White Sox were in NYC to play the Yankees that day. And 4 years later they just happen to win the World Series, which they hadn't done in 88 years?!

[60hzxtl]

Malathion I can buy at Home Depot.

Spraying Anvil's! Now that's scary! Those things fall faster than freefall, maybe even the speed of gravity!

Sentinel pulls another false alarm!

[Sentinel]

There was something else I forgot to mention relating to the movie "Devils Advocate" and the pre-9-11 message Senator Alfonse Damoto who headed the investgation into the Nazi Gold and the Credit Swisse Investigation prior to 9-11. The Swisse were in league with the Nazis so much so that they even let the nazi death trains from Italy roll through switzerland on the way to the death camp.

1. When the Hollocaust relatives won the curt case involving the Nazi Gold Citibank which had a branch in the WTC4 complex paid out on 26 July 2001.

2. Why does the vatican only have swisse Guards.

3 Dodi Fayed was involved in the movioe business. Do you know that he made the second FX movie about the how the vatican lost pressious gold inguts and the plot to was to recover it.

4.President Bush owned to major league teams in texas. Turner has all the Rebuilding/repairing contracts for major league.

5.funny how everyones head was into baseball just eleven days after the worst terror attack in history and even funnier that it was hel in shea stadium.

6. the 93 bombing was just two floors below grade north tower the tower doesn't even flintch yet a crash on the 93 floor make the building fall straight down.
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7.Regarding the gold under WTC4: Who did it belong to and where did it go?

P.s. The notice of the death of Me on abbys board is quite interesting to say the least.

Take care

Sentinel

[WildCat]

There was something else I forgot to mention relating to the movie "Devils Advocate" and the pre-9-11 message Senator Alfonse Damoto who headed the investgation into the Nazi Gold and the Credit Swisse Investigation prior to 9-11. The Swisse were in league with the Nazis so much so that they even let the nazi death trains from Italy roll through switzerland on the way to the death camp.

1. When the Hollocaust relatives won the curt case involving the Nazi Gold Citibank which had a branch in the WTC4 complex paid out on 26 July 2001.

2. Why does the vatican only have swisse Guards.

3 Dodi Fayed was involved in the movioe business. Do you know that he made the second FX movie about the how the vatican lost pressious gold inguts and the plot to was to recover it.

4.President Bush owned to major league teams in texas. Turner has all the Rebuilding/repairing contracts for major league.

5.funny how everyones head was into baseball just eleven days after the worst terror attack in history and even funnier that it was hel in shea stadium.

6. the 93 bombing was just two floors below grade north tower the tower doesn't even flintch yet a crash on the 93 floor make the building fall straight down.
l
7.Regarding the gold under WTC4: Who did it belong to and where did it go?

P.s. The notice of the death of Me on abbys board is quite interesting to say the least.

Take care

Sentinel
Those dots are spaced pretty widely Sentinel... :eek:

[uk_dave]

ermmmmm oooooooo kkkkkkkkkkk

(backing away slowly)

[Class]

There was something else I forgot to mention relating to the movie "Devils Advocate" and the pre-9-11 message Senator Alfonse Damoto who headed the investgation into the Nazi Gold and the Credit Swisse Investigation prior to 9-11. The Swisse were in league with the Nazis so much so that they even let the nazi death trains from Italy roll through switzerland on the way to the death camp.

1. When the Hollocaust relatives won the curt case involving the Nazi Gold Citibank which had a branch in the WTC4 complex paid out on 26 July 2001.

2. Why does the vatican only have swisse Guards.

3 Dodi Fayed was involved in the movioe business. Do you know that he made the second FX movie about the how the vatican lost pressious gold inguts and the plot to was to recover it.

4.President Bush owned to major league teams in texas. Turner has all the Rebuilding/repairing contracts for major league.

5.funny how everyones head was into baseball just eleven days after the worst terror attack in history and even funnier that it was hel in shea stadium.

6. the 93 bombing was just two floors below grade north tower the tower doesn't even flintch yet a crash on the 93 floor make the building fall straight down.
l
7.Regarding the gold under WTC4: Who did it belong to and where did it go?

P.s. The notice of the death of Me on abbys board is quite interesting to say the least.

Take care

Sentinel
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What?

[WildCat]

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What?
Just don't drink out of his glass!

[Checkmite]

2. Why does the vatican only have swisse Guards.


This stems from the traditions of the late 1400's/early 1500's, when the Vatican occasionally engaged in military operations during wars in Europe; the Vatican, not having a standing army, used Swiss mercenaries to guard its holdings and fight its battles. In 1527, about 3/4ths of the entire contingent of the Swiss guard died holding off an invading force in order to allow the Pope to escape to safety with the other quarter. As a token of gratitude, the Vatican has since always used Swiss guards for security.

[hellaeon]

yeah well sentinel, guess what I uncovered!

1) Kent Kingsley from Geelong Football club over in Aus quit the club but in reality was ousted because he claimed they thought his form was poor...

2) There was almost a second string ray death recently. Due to the fact it happens once a millenia, dont you find it suddenly suspicious that sting rays are jumping out of water and trying to kill humans?

3) I woke up 1 minute before my alarm. I find this highly suspicious. Why not 2 minutes? why wake up before the alarm? Why not after?

4) Spore looks like the modt addictive game ever known to man and I have this feeling its going to make people more intrested in evolution...seems like the company maxis already have an agenda!

5) I watched the US baseball world series when boston won and broke the curse, albeit incredibly after being 3-0 down. Suspicious that they could not beat them for 86 or whatever it was years prior but suddenly won that year....

6) Foxtel dropped their AFL station over here but now are in cahoots again with the commercial TV giants to get games shown on fox next year....that is so suspicious, almost like they knew the whole time.

7) Adelaide FC did not win the AFL title this year after leading most of the way and being unbackable favourites. They 'suddenly' lost 3 games in row. after having lost 2 of 16 previously.

8) I have never been to america...and I earn a fair bit. Someone wont let me im sure.

If none of you can see the connection to 9/11, im staggered. This will rock the official story to its foundation. By number 3 I was convinced. If you cant see it your blinded by the hypocritical shills running the place you live in. Open your eyes. Think outside the box.

[Pipirr]

Sentinel,
So how were the Swiss connected to major League Baseball?

[Sentinel]

Now, I just want to state my position on the matter of 9-11. I'm not a racist or against any religeon. I am just stating the "points of interest" relating to the subject of 9-11.

There is plenty of backup material to comfirm what is is being pointed relating to "persons of Interest" and certain corporations posibly connected to 9-11.

We all know what occured with Enron and their connection to Keyspan Energy. There is the the odd little "Rush" demolition in which two Aprox 400ft Gas tanks wrecked two months before 9-11 and when you do the measurement South Tower hit aprox 968 ft from ground floor up to 78th floor and do the math measurement from top down to 78 you get aprox 400ft. Regarding the Nort tower it is theorized that reason for the higher hit was take into consideration the 350ft x 300 ton radio antenna that had to land within austin tobin plaza like the other tower also tilting into austin tobin plaza. That is why 3 WFC which was right across West st was only slightly damaged. The winter Garden Theater suffered the greatest damage. There is the "secret" Energy metting held by Cheney so we have a connection between government and Energy Companies.

Guess what Ratzinger was doing right before his promotion to bishop of Rome.
Holy Inquisitor. The Holy Inquisition

That is why GWB Gave him the medal of Freedom.

Why did the Vatican not protest the removal of Jews from Rome by the nazis?
Why did Switzerland Cooporate with the Nazis and Allow The Jews being transported to the death camps in poland and germany?

I bet if a test for mercury were done on the Gold below WTC4 there will be a high content maybe ten times over.



GOD BLESS


Sentinel

[Sentinel]

What Isreali Bank is holding Nazi Gold belonging to the Jewsih Holocaust Victims? Why don't they want to give it back? How many of the banks in Geneva Switzerland are owned by jews?

God Bless

Sentinel

[uk_dave]

WOW! You're really out there, aren't you?

I bet you filter your drinking water using reverse osmosis.
You do, don't you?

[Gravy]

Now, I just want to state my position on the matter of 9-11. I'm not a racist or against any religeon. I am just stating the "points of interest" relating to the subject of 9-11.

There is plenty of backup material to comfirm what is is being pointed relating to "persons of Interest" and certain corporations posibly connected to 9-11.

We all know what occured with Enron and their connection to Keyspan Energy. There is the the odd little "Rush" demolition in which two Aprox 400ft Gas tanks wrecked two months before 9-11 and when you do the measurement South Tower hit aprox 968 ft from ground floor up to 78th floor and do the math measurement from top down to 78 you get aprox 400ft. Regarding the Nort tower it is theorized that reason for the higher hit was take into consideration the 350ft x 300 ton radio antenna that had to land within austin tobin plaza like the other tower also tilting into austin tobin plaza. That is why 3 WFC which was right across West st was only slightly damaged. The winter Garden Theater suffered the greatest damage. There is the "secret" Energy metting held by Cheney so we have a connection between government and Energy Companies.

Guess what Ratzinger was doing right before his promotion to bishop of Rome.
Holy Inquisitor. The Holy Inquisition

That is why GWB Gave him the medal of Freedom.

Why did the Vatican not protest the removal of Jews from Rome by the nazis?
Why did Switzerland Cooporate with the Nazis and Allow The Jews being transported to the death camps in poland and germany?

I bet if a test for mercury were done on the Gold below WTC4 there will be a high content maybe ten times over.

GOD BLESS
SentinelSentinel, if you don't want to be called a kook, stop spewing garbage like this. It takes two minutes to get information about the demolition of those tanks, as you've been told before.

Representatives of KeySpan Energy, various city agencies, and a demolition company presented plans for the demolition of the two large gas tanks located near the intersection of Vandervoort and Maspeth avenues. The tanks have stood empty since the mid 1990s, and, according to a representative of KeySpan, which owns the property, the company has been planning the demolition for approximately two years. During a heated question and answer period, local residents questioned safety procedures and the delay in community notification.

According to Cathy Sevos, a community affairs officer at KeySpan, the tanks, which were built in 1927 and 1948, are being demolished because their age presents health and safety risks, they are costly to maintain, and they are obsolete due to the use of pipelines and other new technology.

Demolition is tentatively planned for July 15 by implosion. Compared to other methods, which involve months of disassembling with torches and cranes or jacks and which pose a risk of accidental collapse and release of lead vapor (due to heat from the torches), implosion takes only one minute and reduces the chance of lead contamination, Ms. Sevos said.

Implosion is carried out when explosives are inserted into holes in the structure, allowing it to collapse, according to Jim Santoro, a representative of Controlled Demolition Incorporated (CDI), the firm contracted by KeySpan to do the work. He said CDI has taken down over 6,000 structures worldwide, and he laid out all of the steps leading up to the demolition, including various safety precautions, and the process for removal of the debris afterwards. Once the structures have been demolished, the metal will be cut up with mechanical shears, a procedure which helps prevent the release of lead, he said.
http://www.billburg.com/community/article.cfm?Id=102 Also, the Winter Garden Theater is in midtown, on Broadway. Cats played there for 18 years.

[Gravy]

What Isreali Bank is holding Nazi Gold belonging to the Jewsih Holocaust Victims? Why don't they want to give it back?Because they can't find the contact information for the treasurer of the Nazi party.

[delphi_ote]

Because they can't find the contact information for the treasurer of the Nazi party.
I'm the treasurer. Yea... that's it. If you send it to me, all the money will be safe... promise.

[Sentinel]

It seems that the people on this borad have no understanding of finacial Coorporate fraud such as the silverado/ Neil Bush fiasco that we'll be paying for along time.

Trading with the enemies act mean anything to anyone here?

Oh wait, The dubai ports deal that doesn't scare the hell out of anyone right.

Then theres the little WMD Lie that the coalition troops are dying for by the thousands.


Gravy Thanks for the correction: I'm sure with your all the years as a TOUR GUIDE (LICENCED no less) you'd know the name of the theaters in the finacial centre RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from the towers. I'm sure you know what I'm specifying as well.

It was a kook who mentioned these very words: "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it again, again and again"

Money is the root of all evil.



Sentinel

[Sentinel]

The coming fourth Reich.

Which hitler actually wrote about in his book: "The New World Order" In the book hitler specifies that the Nazis will transfer their power to the United States and use it as the platform to launch their diabilical plan to TAKE OVER THE WORLD using the stolen gold.


Now lets take a history lesson on the numbers.

1st The first attack on the WTC cpmplex was Feb 26 1993
2 The burning down of the Reichstag was Feb 27 1993

Both incedents were done with the intent of pushing a war.


The WTC incident and reichstag incident produced simular government policies

The Nazis:

(A)The Enabling Act

(B)The Fatherland Security

(C)The War on Terror

The US:

(A)The Patriot Act

(B)Homeland Security

(C)The was on Terror



Got a clue?




Sentinel

[Gravy]

Gravy Thanks for the correction: I'm sure with your all the years as a TOUR GUIDE (LICENCED no less) you'd know the name of the theaters in the finacial centre RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from the towers. I'm sure you know what I'm specifying as well.Yes, it certainly would be news to me if there were a movie theater in the Winter Garden Pavilion. The only theater I know of in the BPC/WFC area is the Regal on North End. Please edumacate me.

Agreed that the tank demolitions were planned for a long time and quite public, Paul? Are you finally going to drop that silly claim?

[Gravy]

The coming fourth Reich.

Which hitler actually wrote about in his book: "The New World Order" In the book hitler specifies that the Nazis will transfer their power to the United States and use it as the platform to launch their diabilical plan to TAKE OVER THE WORLD using the stolen gold.Can you double-check that? I've never heard of it, and the Library of Congress catalog has no record of such a book. However, Muhammed Ali (http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=5&ti=1,5&Search%5FArg=New%20World%20Order&Search%5FCode=TALL&CNT=25&PID=3737&SEQ=20061101152821&SID=1) did write a book called The New World Order.

[Pardalis]

I think Sentinel is confusing hitler with H.G. Wells... (1939)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Wells

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_World_Order_%28Wells%29

[Gravy]

I think Sentinel is confusing hitler with H.G. Wells... (1939)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._G._Wells

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_World_Order_%28Wells%29Yes, I was forgetting that his initials stood for Hitler Goebbels.

[Pardalis]

Well...

[senorpogo]

Say what you will about CTists, but at least they provide the elementary school teachers of the world an ample supply of pre-made examples for spelling and grammar assignments.

Carl Roves Grandfather was alledged to have been a nazi regional commander. Bushes grandfather was a Nazi Collaborator. Swartzenegger fathers was connected to the Nazis.

"Now, what's wrong with this sentence?"

[Gravy]

By the way, Sentinel, the "Prescott Bush was a Nazi collaborater" claim is another silly myth that's dispelled with a minute's worth of Googling. If the Anti-Defamation League says he wasn't (http://www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/prescott.htm), that's good enough for me:

Rumors about the alleged Nazi "ties" of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated.

Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer.Sentinel! Check your freaking facts before you post this garbage!

Get it?

[uk_dave]

1st The first attack on the WTC cpmplex was Feb 26 1993
2 The burning down of the Reichstag was Feb 27 1993


Sentinel

I'm still trying to figure out why I never saw that on the BBC.

[Gravy]

"Now, what's wrong with this sentence?"How much time do you have?

[Aoidoi]

Which hitler actually wrote about in his book: "The New World Order" In the book hitler specifies that the Nazis will transfer their power to the United States and use it as the platform to launch their diabilical plan to TAKE OVER THE WORLD using the stolen gold.Hitler was a wrestling fan? It all becomes clear...

Got a clue?A raging clue.

[delphi_ote]

How much time do you have?
"Everything" really doesn't take that long to type, Gravy. While I realize you might have some carpel tunnel problems after typing up all your guides, surely ten little letters won't kill you.

[uk_dave]

I only count 8 letters in my word

[Sentinel]

How long does it take to write an anti-terror law IE The Patriot act? 1 month? 6 months? Which as a matter of fact was voted down by city and towns all across America. Do you know why?


How long is the patriot act and which one of your representatives read it?

Nuff sed !!!

You aren't debating the issue you're insulting the questioner, skeptics.

P.S. Gravy (Licensed) means you're bought and paid for by the NYC Tourism Board,Sellout.


Have a nice day

Sentinel

[T.A.M.]

Sentinel;

Why so angry. Most times I have seen you post here, you have seemed reasonable, but what has Gravy done to you to make you suddenly so nasty to him. I thought what you wanted from this was the truth and respect for the victims and heroes of 9/11. How has mark shown disrespect to either. He collects the facts and presents them. Is that wrong.

I have got to say that I am a little disappointed. Has someone said something to you to make you think Mark is the bad guy here?

TAM

[Gravy]

You aren't debating the issue you're insulting the questioner, skeptics.False. We examined three of your claims above and showed them to be incorrect.

P.S. Gravy (Licensed) means you're bought and paid for by the NYC Tourism Board,Sellout.False. I am licensed by the NYC Department of Consumer Affairs, which has nothing to do with NYC & Co., New York's official tourism marketing agency. I paid the licensing fee. I receive money from my clients only. I receive no benefits from the city beyond the right to ply my trade, which I earned by satisfying their licensing requirements.

Second time:

Sentinel: Check your freaking facts before you post this garbage. Get it?

[T.A.M.]

The coming fourth Reich.

Which hitler actually wrote about in his book: "The New World Order" In the book hitler specifies that the Nazis will transfer their power to the United States and use it as the platform to launch their diabilical plan to TAKE OVER THE WORLD using the stolen gold.

Ok, I do not know enough about this part of history to make an informed comment. I for one, do not connect a german extremist party from the 1930s/40s with the current american govt, either democrat or republican.


Now lets take a history lesson on the numbers.

1st The first attack on the WTC cpmplex was Feb 26 1993
2 The burning down of the Reichstag was Feb 27 1993

Both incedents were done with the intent of pushing a war.


What war was the bombing of the WTC in 1993 pushing. There was no war from 1993 until 2001, correct. So if the intent of the 1993 bombing, which I assume you are saying was caused by the USG (Clinton at the time) to promote a war, than it failed did it not?


The WTC incident and reichstag incident produced simular government policies

The Nazis:

(A)The Enabling Act

(B)The Fatherland Security

(C)The War on Terror

The US:

(A)The Patriot Act

(B)Homeland Security

(C)The was on Terror



I'll plead ignorance here as well. Please tell me more about the exacts of the Nazi's policies you mention above. I would be interested to see what they involved.


Got a clue?


I sure do, and so do you.

TAM:)

[Sentinel]

So what specialized training have taken which gives you the right to try #01 use insults against people who were there on 9-11? Does licensed Torism agent say first responder on it? Does it give CFR-D catagory? I know you're the lone truckie who runs to every box posted to get next to first responders so you can brag to you candy ass friends that you're "mackin it0."

As far as I see, all you do is try and build your rep on us to build your name off, thats all.

You don't prove me wrong I've done the homework on the issue.

9-11 as far as I'm concerned can be traced to who ever benefited for the answers.

You're a paid stooge. Bought and Paid for, Gravy
Just cause you say you don't believe the facts that doesn't make me a kook not by along shot. No rather you're just a blind asswipe who can't see beyong your narcism.

Until you've walk the line, don't get it twisted.


God Bless

Sentinel

[Gravy]

Sentinel, I have no idea what you think I've done wrong. Can you tell me, specifically:

1) What you would like me to do differently, and why

2) What evidence you have that I am beholden to any interest beyond my own desire to turn people on to what I think is the most amazing city in the world?

–Mark Roberts

[Bell]

So what specialized training have taken which gives you the right to try #01 use insults against people who were there on 9-11? Does licensed Torism agent say first responder on it? Does it give CFR-D catagory? I know you're the lone truckie who runs to every box posted to get next to first responders so you can brag to you candy ass friends that you're "mackin it0."

As far as I see, all you do is try and build your rep on us to build your name off, thats all.

You don't prove me wrong I've done the homework on the issue.

9-11 as far as I'm concerned can be traced to who ever benefited for the answers.

You're a paid stooge. Bought and Paid for, Gravy
Just cause you say you don't believe the facts that doesn't make me a kook not by along shot. No rather you're just a blind asswipe who can't see beyong your narcism.

Until you've walk the line, don't get it twisted.


God Bless

Sentinel

Sentinel,

For a moment forget all the claims about Nazi's, little league and what not.

What, on 9/11, exactly did you see/hear/experience that made you believe it was a conspiracy?

[delphi_ote]

Bought and Paid for, Gravy
By?

[Gravy]

By?The Roasted Animal Drippings and Deglazing Council?

[uk_dave]

You fiend!

[Sentinel]

You say you know NY?

1) What important symbol was missing from the Lobbey of the North tower on 9-11?

2) What other day was this symbol missing from the lobbey of the North Tower?

3) Who was it that was speaking on the first occasion?


If you don't answer these question Mr Tourism AGENT then you're a spook on the payroll.

Lets see how much you know WTC now.

Have a nice day


Sentinel

[Sentinel]

Bought and Paid for like a common playa hatin Hoe.

Ya Know?



Sentinel

[Gravy]

You say you know NY?

1) What important symbol was missing from the Lobbey of the North tower on 9-11?The owl Moloch.

2) What other day was this symbol missing from the lobbey of the North Tower?On the south tower's annual "steal the mascot" day.

3) Who was it that was speaking on the first occasion?Adam.

[delphi_ote]

You say you know NY?
You say you know Gravy is paid off?

All I'm asking is who paid him off.

[T.A.M.]

Sentinel:

I found this FBi webpage, and in it is an interesting quote that might answer the question you pose often, about why Osama does not have the 9/11 attacks mentioned on his Most wanted Poster.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

Here is the quote from the above page:


The alleged terrorists on this list have been indicted by sitting Federal Grand Juries in various jurisdictions in the United States for the crimes reflected on their wanted posters. Evidence was gathered and presented to the Grand Juries, which led to their being charged. The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice. Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

Bolding mine.

TAM

[Bell]

Sentinel,

What, on 9/11, exactly did you see/hear/experience that made you believe it was a conspiracy?

[Trigood]

You say you know NY?

1) What important symbol was missing from the Lobbey of the North tower on 9-11?

2) What other day was this symbol missing from the lobbey of the North Tower?

3) Who was it that was speaking on the first occasion?
Sentinel,

You say you know the WTC? How about these questions... Do you know the following?

(1) Who was the first orchestra ever to play in the North Tower?

(2) What was the date?

(3) What was the major musical work played that day?

Since it's late and you probably don't know, I'll help you out:

(1) A Midwestern youth orchestra

(2) June 14 1974

(3) Mendelssohn's Fifth (Reformation) Symphony, whose final movement is based on the Luther hymn "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God."

Now you've got to see the connections here. It was almost exactly 20 years to the day before Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were murdered by...whom? Was OJ really guilty or not?? Do we really know how deep that conspiracy goes???

Then, you've got the coincidence that Mendelssohn was born to a family of German Jews who converted to Christianity, and Luther was also German, the country of the Reichstag fire, the Nazis, etc. (Nicole was also half-German, by the way.) Then you've got the title of that hymn -- presaging that, exactly 27.25 (minus 3 days) years later, the very same tower would be struck by terrorists trying to knock down that "mighty fortress" for the glory of their "God."

Then you've got the fact that the young people in that orchestra were taken on a tour of the 100th floor of the tower -- almost exactly where the plane would strike, and by some estimates, exactly where the collapse would begin -- and given a tour of that floor, which was open and unfinished at the time.

Must I connect the dots for you???

If you don't answer these question Mr Tourism AGENT then you're a spook on the payroll.
You must be an anti-music spook to not know all of the above.

Do you deny the impact of the musical component in the towers' physics?

Do you deny the laws of musical physics, my friend???

Lets see how much you know WTC now.
I bet you feel pretty sheepish now....

P.S. Yes, I have personal knowledge of these events. So there. :p

P.P.S. OK, I'm a leeetle bit trepidatious that I'm starting a new conspiracy theory here.... MMIHOP? (Mendelssohn Made It Happen On Purpose)

Props to Abby for her "Who was responsible for 9/11" post, which got me thinking in this productive direction...

[delphi_ote]

Sentinel,

What, on 9/11, exactly did you see/hear/experience that made you believe it was a conspiracy?

Bah. C'mon! Sentinel has the goods on Gravy. This CIA disinformation agent posts in our forum. We have his writing and videos, but Sentinel knows how the NWO butters this "tour" "guide"'s "bread" (more scare quotes = more sinister.)

If we only get one response from Sentinel, I want it to be exactly who paid off Gravy. What could be more fun than that?

[Sentinel]

Since no one could answer the simple question without getting their panties in a twirling wedgie: eeeeeh !! wrong answer.

A) The international flags that were around the square in the North Tower.
B) The day Nelson Rockefeller dedicated the WTC Complex in 74.

Now heres another question for the uptights in the room.

1) What are Navigation Beacons on Commercial Aircraft?
2) How often do they blink?
3) why weren't they visble on 175 or 11?

Question:

1) If the superman Rollercoaster in Buffalo NY Diving at 70MPH gives the passengers a thrill How much of a thrill did the passengers on United 175 getting at 450MPh aka Power Diving at 10.000 Feet Per Minute aka Nose down 30.000 FT in Three minutes?

2) How was it posible passengers and pilots to survive G-Shock from sudden decelleration?

3) How did an older model Boeing 767 survive such drastic pressure changes yet a Brand new Airbus crashes because of horizontal stablizer failure on climb out from JFK?


Now, to the people on the board who seem to have problems with the way I come out towards some. If you had acted in a respectfull manner when you started the childish character assasinition we wouldn't be having the technical difficalties now, would we. But, its seems to some of you that its ok to act in this manner it was time to call it like it is.

Gravy acts like a pre-madonna with I Love NY ********. Come on Gravy you know you're a spook or you wouldn't be waisting so much time on trying to discredit legitimate research into who killed you fellow NYrs and citizens of almost 180 nations.

P.s. For the Osamo FBI. Its been comfirmed by the FBI in August of this year
"NO HARD EVIDENCE AUTHORITY OF THE FBI"

And for those who still have a problem with it, **** **.


Please keep in mind that your member agreement includes civil conduct toward other forum members.



Have a nice day

SENTINEL

[uk_dave]

1) If the superman Rollercoaster in Buffalo NY Diving at 70MPH gives the passengers a thrill How much of a thrill did the passengers on United 175 getting at 450MPh aka Power Diving at 10.000 Feet Per Minute aka Nose down 30.000 FT in Three minutes?



Sick.

You need help.

[Pardalis]

And for those who still have a problem with it, Blow Me.

With phrases like these, we don't need to resort to character assassination.

[Bell]

Sentinel, care to answer my question? Asked it twice allready.

What, on 9/11, exactly did you see/hear/experience that made you believe it was a conspiracy?

[WildCat]

Sentinel, care to answer my question? Asked it twice allready.

What, on 9/11, exactly did you see/hear/experience that made you believe it was a conspiracy?
What makes you think you can actually get an understandable answer from him? The man is incapable of a coherent train of thought.

[Bell]

What makes you think you can actually get an understandable answer from him? The man is incapable of a coherent train of thought.

Actually I am interrested in his answer. I don't know much about him. Was he at the WTC at 9/11? I get a sense he is reflecting his anger over his lost brothers (due to communication problems) in a wrong way, and because of that has fallen victim to believing this conspiracy (and others as well, as added bonus).

[T.A.M.]

Sentinel;

I am just amazed at your attitude change. Gravy can defend himself, but let me assure you, I do not believe the USG did 9/11. Does this mean I disrespect you or those who you worked with who died on 9/11...no. Most, if not all of us here simply have high standards for what we consider to be proof of otherwise. So far noone has shown me anything convincing that 9/11 was an inside job.

You seem really angry, which is fair, I guess you have a right to be, but my god man, to come out with such words and anger and just letting it spray all over this forum, seems a little...no alot, mean spirited.

I hope one day you can come here and talk more rationally. Until then.

Peace

TAM

[gumboot]

Now heres another question for the uptights in the room.

1) What are Navigation Beacons on Commercial Aircraft?
2) How often do they blink?
3) why weren't they visble on 175 or 11?


Because on a bright sunny day you can't see the navigation lights on an aircraft when it's in the sky.

Anyone who has ever lived on or near an airbase/airport can tell you this.

-Gumboot

[TjW]

(Snippage by TjW)

Now heres another question for the uptights in the room.

1) What are Navigation Beacons on Commercial Aircraft?
2) How often do they blink?
3) why weren't they visble on 175 or 11?

There aren't any Navigation Beacons on commercial aircraft. A navigation beacon needs to stay in a known location so you can use it to navigate.

There are usually anticollision lights on commercial aircraft, and while they are generally lit, Part 91.209(b) specifically says:
"However, the anti-collision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off."

This indicates to me that the people writing the FARs expected them to be installed in such a way that the pilot has some control over them.
Now, operating conditions were probably not such that safety was increased by turning them off (if they were off). So if the pilot turned them off, he was in violation of the FARs. I don't see how this points to a government plot, though.



Question:

1) If the superman Rollercoaster in Buffalo NY Diving at 70MPH gives the passengers a thrill How much of a thrill did the passengers on United 175 getting at 450MPh aka Power Diving at 10.000 Feet Per Minute aka Nose down 30.000 FT in Three minutes?

2) How was it posible passengers and pilots to survive G-Shock from sudden decelleration?

3) How did an older model Boeing 767 survive such drastic pressure changes yet a Brand new Airbus crashes because of horizontal stablizer failure on climb out from JFK?



2. Nastily phrased as it is, 10000 feet per minute is around 114 mph vertical descent. If the aircraft rounded out to level flight no faster than, say, a parachute opens, there shouldn't be a problem, since skydivers are often going this fast or faster when they deploy. If you're considering the deceleration from running into the building, of course they didn't survive that deceleration.

3.) Descending quickly should lower the stress on a pressurized aircraft, since the cabin pressure is generally maintained around 7-8000 feet with engine bleed air. Descending reduces the pressure differential. There's a flapper valve that allows greater-than-cabin ambient pressure in, so descending below the set cabin pressure won't cause a problem either.
Multiple pressure/depressure cycles do cause fatigue of the airframe, but they don't pop like balloons or crush like a juice-box.
For the second part of your answer: It was a Boeing.
I think you may be thinking of the Airbus that lost its rudder when the co-pilot applied full left rudder, then while yawed left, applied full right rudder.
The aircraft was below maneuvering speed, (the speed at which you should be able to apply full control deflections without breaking things) so he thought it was safe. However, it's only safe from coordinated flight. Full deflection the other way, with the aircraft already yawed, can create much larger forces. Forces larger than the aircraft was designed for.
If that is not the incident you were thinking of, please be more specific as to the date. The FAA maintains a site where you can look up the probable causes of airplane crashes.

(more snippage by TjW)

[Gravy]

Gravy acts like a pre-madonnaI can't help it. I haven't saved enough money for the surgery.*

Come on Gravy you know you're a spookI assume you mean "spooky." Check my avatar. I do more as a rollerblading ghoul with 10-foot mannequin arms before 9 a.m. than most people do all day.

or you wouldn't be waisting so much time on trying to discredit legitimate research into who killed you fellow NYrs Au contraire. I encourage research about al Qaeda and other groups and individuals that seek to do us harm. As a New Yorker, I take that issue seriously.

and citizens of almost 180 nations.Check your facts.

Hate the game, Sentinel, not the sauce made from pan drippings. :)

*primadonna

[R.Mackey]

2. Nastily phrased as it is, 10000 feet per minute is around 114 mph vertical descent. If the aircraft rounded out to level flight no faster than, say, a parachute opens, there shouldn't be a problem, since skydivers are often going this fast or faster when they deploy. If you're considering the deceleration from running into the building, of course they didn't survive that deceleration.

Yeah, that one really gave me a giggle. Of course, it's Sentinel, so check your reality glasses at the door.

Just for a point of absurd reference, the USAF F-15 Eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Eagle) has an initial rate of climb of around 50,000 feet per minute, and can reach 30,000 feet within sixty seconds of wheels up carrying a useful air-to-air payload.

Climbing fast is much tougher than diving fast. Darn near anything can dive fast.

While Boeing passengers don't experience the same thrill as an F-15 pilot by any means, nor are they as physically fit or granted such sophisticated seating arrangements, there's no reason to expect them to pop or squish or go mad just because they're exposed to a measly 10,000 fpm dive. Just ain't so.

Carry on.

[Sentinel]

This flight out of JFK performed the same iratic flight pattern as the flights on 9-11 Yet fell apart in the "Power Dive" with Engine shutdown and the plane falling apart with the stress which also went far beyond design specs.

The passenger were in zero gravity and went to twice the Earths gravity when the fist pull out by the captain Who by the way was standing on the dash board trying to get the plane to slow down. They had to put the air brakes in play and the plane still fell into the sea of long Island after falling apart because the plane was unable to handle the stress on the engines or the fusalodge.

Yet, all the planes on 9-11 made it to their destination on point.


I don't hate the players Gravy.
I hate the Game.

Some players have nice city contracts to defend.

Remember, It only to 30 shekels to turn Jesus in.

P.s. The US always helped the communist during the cold war but made its citizens believe they were the Boogeymen.

Example #1: The US Gave assistance to the Viet Nim who was headed by Ho Chi Men (A communist)
Why?
To get the Former Japanese and Vicci french (Nazi collaborators) out of indo china. Then We sent 58.000+ American fighters to their deaths so Capitalism could merge with Communism.

Example#2 The Yogoslav partisans (tito) was given assistance so he could maintain hostilities against the Nazis

The Carter Administration had GWB (The Father) heading the Mujahadin fighters in afganistan with good old (Tim Ossman). Then for some unknown reason GWB left the CIA to become Veep. This of course was shortly after the Iran Hostage crisis which mysteriously came to an end under the Reagan administration. The GWB seemed to be in colaboration with the Hinckly family which mysteriously were having dinner with Niel Bush( Mr savings and loans BCCI) the night before Reagan was shot.

The first WTC attack and its little fiasco with the investigations

The We have the OKC Bombing and all the official reports reporting the extra "Nooks and crannies"

Then we have 9-11 and the joke of an investigation on that.

And so on and so on and so on.

Now we have a failure to arrest congressmen for hitting on our children.

See anything wrong yet, folks?

I bet not



Have a nice day

Sentinel on post

[60hzxtl]

See anything wrong yet, folks?

I bet not



Have a nice day

Sentinel on post



Sentinel on post making Another False Alarm! Keep looking guys there's a conspiracy around here somewhere!

[Gravy]

The passenger were in zero gravity and went to twice the Earths gravity when the fist pull out by the captain Who by the way was standing on the dash board trying to get the plane to slow down. They had to put the air brakes in play and the plane still fell into the sea of long Island after falling apart because the plane was unable to handle the stress on the engines or the fusalodge.I ask you to stop, think, and read that back to yourself. If you think it still makes sense, I implore you to run it past someone who has knowledge of the English language.

I don't hate the players Gravy.
I hate the Game.

Some players have nice city contracts to defend.

Remember, It only to 30 shekels to turn Jesus in.Dude.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/87904558eae2b5104.jpg

I have no "contract" with the City of New York. I earned the right to charge for my tour guiding services by passing their test and paying the licensing fee. In fact, I achieved the highest score in the history of that test. I also teach a class to train aspiring guides to pass the test.

Here are some other classes of people who also have to be licenced by the NYC Department of Consumer Affairs:

Amusement Ride Operators
Auctioneers
Billiard Hall Operators
Automotive Booting Company Operators
Cabaret and Disco Operators
Caterers
Cigarette Retail Distributors
Dealers in Devices for the Disabled
Debt Collection Agency Operators
Electronic and Home Appliance Service Dealers
Electronics Retailers
Employment Agency Operators
Garage and Parking Lot Operators
General Vendors
General Vendor Distributors
Home Improvement Contractors
Horse-Drawn Cab Operators and Drivers
Laundry Operators, Jobbers, and Drivers
Locksmiths
Motion Picture Operators
Newsstands
Pawnbrokers
Process Servers
Ticket Brokers, Resellers, and Employees
Scale Dealers and Repairers
Scrap Metal Processors
Secondhand Dealers
Secondhand Dealers of Firearms
Sidewalk Café Owners
Stoopline Stand Operators
Sightseeing Bus Operators
Storage Warehouse Operators
Street Fair Vendors
Tow Truck Drivers and Operators


Are they all in on it too, Sentinel, or do you just have a thing against tour guides?


And for crying out loud, will you run spell check before you post?

[Sentinel]

I hear you like tall tails 60?


Heres one for you: A couple of weeks ago there was this stick up in Brooklyn NY. As a matter fact it was Pacific st and Boylen st in the "73" confines.

Well, as luck would have it there just happened to be some firemen who made the pick up in progress. They caught the two "perps" and requested PD for the arrest. Well, as luck would have it again there still after 5 years no comprehensive Cross Monitoring in "real time" and Now we have one of the "perps" pull a firearm in the Firemen. So the Firemen are now screaming for 10-47 Police assistance otherwise known as "Code Red". The initial request for police was still in the works and the "73" still had not gotten the original request.

So we have a delema. So the firemen are screaming for the cops and the cops can't hear them.

So guess what I did there,60?

Heres another example of a tall tail for you 60.

There was a cop in the "70" who was in pursuit and started having what his partner believed was a Myol Cardial Infarction "Heart Attack" This cop served alot of time at GZ during the recovery process. So his partner is screaming for a "Bus" forthwit. Theres no assistance forthwit. so he screaming and screaming and you know what?

Theres a firehouse not 500 ft from his location and they haven't got a clue whats happening right down the block from the down officer.

Do you know what I did there,60?

You got to love politics in this city

Sentinel

[Sentinel]

The firemen were saved the cop lost his life (Brain blood clot)



Now, for thos that still don't get it,

This may give you a clue what my world is about.

For the rest, Your to amusing.


Sentinel

[Gravy]

So guess what I did there,60?You're asking for guesses. My guess is that you did nothing. Prove me wrong.

Do you know what I did there,60?You're asking for guesses. My guess is that you did nothing. Prove me wrong.

Nothing you have ever posted here has shown any involvement of local, state, or federal government in planning, executing, or allowing the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Agreed?

[Project86]

Paul

As someone who is intimately familiar with the world of emergency dispatch, I can assure you that neither of those scenarios are unheard of. No politics or conspiracies necessary.

Firefighter calls for code 2 backup. His dispatch gets the info and has to relay it to police dispatch. It then gets put added to a list of pending events to be dispatched, likely as a priority two event. There's a one or two minute delay accounted for so far just to get the call on the list. Then theres the matter of finding an available officer, and driving time for that officer. Bumping that to code 3 still does not magically provide more beat officers, or help the traffic situation.

Same story goes for the cop calling for medical help. That call goes through his dispatch, who then has to notify medical dispatch. Do we know if the units in the nearby firehouse were all out on calls already? If so, the dispatch software will account for that and suggest the next nearest unit.

My point in all this is that the 2 things you mentioned are in no way proof of any foul play. Unfortunately in this line of work things don't always work out the way we would like them to.

[Bell]

The firemen were saved the cop lost his life (Brain blood clot)



Now, for thos that still don't get it,

This may give you a clue what my world is about.

For the rest, Your to amusing.


Sentinel

Sentinel, please. Communication problems does not mean there's a conspiracy to kill firefighters or cops.

I ask you again, what did you hear/see/experience on 9/11 that made you think it was a conspiracy?

[beachnut]

This flight out of JFK performed the same iratic flight pattern as the flights on 9-11 Yet fell apart in the "Power Dive" with Engine shutdown and the plane falling apart with the stress which also went far beyond design specs.

The passenger were in zero gravity and went to twice the Earths gravity when the fist pull out by the captain Who by the way was standing on the dash board trying to get the plane to slow down. They had to put the air brakes in play and the plane still fell into the sea of long Island after falling apart because the plane was unable to handle the stress on the engines or the fusalodge.

Yet, all the planes on 9-11 made it to their destination on point.

The first WTC attack and its little fiasco with the investigations

The We have the OKC Bombing and all the official reports reporting the extra "Nooks and crannies"

Then we have 9-11 and the joke of an investigation on that.

And so on and so on and so on.

See anything wrong yet, folks?

I bet not

Have a nice day

Sentinel on post

How could you be more wrong about flight 11 and 175, they were not put in an uncontrolled dive like EgyptAir flight 990. The facts are despite the over speed conditions on all 3 terrorist hits, the planes were not anything like EgyptAir flight 990. And the over speed conditions were mainly restricted to the final approach to the terrorist large targets. Even bad pilots can not miss a 1300 foot by 207 foot target, and my goodness how could you miss the Pentagon if you aim. Sentinel, you may need this hint, the point in your windscreen that is not moving is the thing you will hit!

What is the rest of your stuff have to do with 9/11?

Does this extra junk you throw in mean you have about as much evidence as you do respect for research to find the truth?

See anything wrong yet,?

Got Facts?

I bet not

Have a nicer day

[Bronze Dog]

Remember, It only to 30 shekels to turn Jesus in.

'Cuz you know, EVERYONE ON EARTH is equally as evil as Judas, and there's no way any of the millions of conspirators could have a conscience. The instant you touch anything that's government property, it magically sucks out every bit of decency out of you.

[TjW]

This flight out of JFK performed the same iratic flight pattern as the flights on 9-11 Yet fell apart in the "Power Dive" with Engine shutdown and the plane falling apart with the stress which also went far beyond design specs.

The passenger were in zero gravity and went to twice the Earths gravity when the fist pull out by the captain Who by the way was standing on the dash board trying to get the plane to slow down. They had to put the air brakes in play and the plane still fell into the sea of long Island after falling apart because the plane was unable to handle the stress on the engines or the fusalodge.

Yet, all the planes on 9-11 made it to their destination on point.
<snippage by TjW>

This is not a description of an Airbus crash that I'm aware of.
Still, I don't follow them all that closely. Do you have an approximate date (say, the year it happened in) for this?
Thanks.

[WildCat]

Why does Sentinel only speak in riddles?

[TjW]

Doing a search on the NTSB database, the only Airbus crash in the state of New York between Jan 2001 and today that involved fatalities was this one (http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20011130X02321&ntsbno=DCA02MA001&akey=1):

There was also an AirCanada A319 that taxied into an Embraer, and a JetBlue A320 that skidded off an icy runway, but there were no fatalities from either of these.

If you don't want to follow the link, NTSB data is public domain, so here you go, probable cause first:

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
the in-flight separation of the vertical stabilizer as a result of the loads beyond ultimate design that were created by the first officer's unnecessary and excessive rudder pedal inputs. Contributing to these rudder pedal inputs were characteristics of the Airbus A300-600 rudder system design and elements of the American Airlines Advanced Aircraft Maneuvering Program.

Now, why did the copilot use unnecessary and excessive rudder inputs?
The airplane ran into wake turbulence from a fully loaded 747-400.

On November 12, 2001, about 0916:15 eastern standard time, American Airlines flight 587, an Airbus Industrie A300-605R, N14053, crashed into a residential area of Belle Harbor, New York, shortly after takeoff from John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), Jamaica, New York. Flight 587 was a regularly scheduled passenger flight to Las Americas International Airport, Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, with 2 flight crewmembers, 7 flight attendants, and 251 passengers aboard the airplane. The airplane's vertical stabilizer and rudder separated in flight and were found in Jamaica Bay, about 1 mile north of the main wreckage site. The airplane's engines subsequently separated in flight and were found several blocks north and east of the main wreckage site. All 260 people aboard the airplane and 5 people on the ground were killed, and the airplane was destroyed by impact forces and a postcrash fire. Flight 587 was operating under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 121 on an instrument flight rules flight plan. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the time of the accident.

The accident airplane arrived at JFK about 2231 on the night before the accident. The airplane had been flown from San Jose, Costa Rica, to JFK with an intermediate stop in Miami International Airport, Miami, Florida. During postaccident interviews, the pilots of the flight leg from MIA to JFK indicated that the flight was smooth and uneventful.

Flight 587 was the first leg of a 1-day roundtrip sequence for the flight crew. American Airlines records indicated that the captain checked in for the flight about 0614 and that the first officer checked in about 0630. The gate agent working the flight arrived at the departure gate about 0645. She stated that the flight attendants were already aboard the airplane at that time and that the captain and the first officer arrived at the gate about 0700.

About 0710, the airplane fueling process began. The airplane fueler indicated that, during the fueling process, he saw one of the pilots perform an exterior inspection of the airplane. He finished the fueling process about 0745 and stated that he saw nothing unusual regarding the airplane.

Statements provided to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Department by American Airlines maintenance and avionics personnel indicated that, sometime between 0730 and 0800, the captain reported that the number 2 pitch trim and yaw damper system would not engage. Two avionics technicians were sent to the airplane to investigate the problem. They performed an auto flight system (AFS) check, which indicated a fault with the number 2 flight augmentation computer. The circuit breaker was then reset, another AFS check was performed, and no fault was detected. In addition, an autoland system check was performed, and that test also did not detect a fault. The avionics technicians estimated that they were in the cockpit for 5 to 7 minutes.

The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) recording began about 0845:35. The CVR indicated that, about 0859:58, the airplane was cleared to push back from the gate. About 0901:33, the ground controller provided the flight crew with taxi instructions to runway 31L, and the first officer acknowledged these instructions. About 0902:05, the captain told the first officer, "your leg, you check the rudders." (The first officer was the flying pilot, and the captain was the nonflying pilot.) Data from the flight data recorder (FDR) showed that, about 0902:07, the rudder pedal check began. The FDR data also showed that a maximum right rudder pedal deflection of about 3.7 inches was recorded about 0902:11 and that a maximum left rudder pedal deflection of 3.6 inches was recorded about 0902:19. About 0902:23, the first officer responded, "rudders check." The FDR data showed that the rudder pedals returned to their neutral position about 0902:25.

About 0906:53, the ground controller provided the pilots of Japan Air Lines flight 47, a Boeing 747-400, with taxi instructions to runway 31L. About 0908:01, the ground controller instructed the Japan Air Lines pilots to contact the local (tower) controller. About 0908:58, the ground controller instructed the flight 587 pilots to follow the Japan Air Lines airplane and to contact the local controller. The first officer acknowledged this instruction.

About 0911:08, the local controller cleared the Japan Air Lines airplane for takeoff. About 0911:36, the local controller cautioned the flight 587 pilots about wake turbulence and instructed the pilots to taxi into position and hold for runway 31L. The first officer acknowledged the instruction. About 0913:05, the local controller instructed the Japan Air Lines pilots to fly the bridge climb and to contact the departure controller at the New York Terminal Radar Approach Control (TRACON). About 0913:21, the flight 587 captain said to the first officer, "you have the airplane."

About 0913:28, the local controller cleared flight 587 for takeoff, and the captain acknowledged the clearance. About 0913:35, the first officer asked the captain, "you happy with that [separation] distance?" About 3 seconds later, the captain replied, "we'll be all right once we get rollin'. He's supposed to be five miles by the time we're airborne, that's the idea." About 0913:46, the first officer said, "so you're happy."

The National Transportation Safety Board's airplane performance study for this accident0 determined that flight 587 started its takeoff roll about 0913:51 and lifted off about 0914:29, which was about 1 minute 40 seconds after the Japan Air Lines airplane. About 0914:43, the local controller instructed the flight 587 pilots to turn left, fly the bridge climb, and contact the New York TRACON departure controller. About 5 seconds later, the captain acknowledged this instruction. Radar data indicated that the airplane climbed to 500 feet above mean sea level (msl) and then entered a climbing left turn to a heading of 220º. About 0915:00, the captain made initial contact with the departure controller, informing him that the airplane was at 1,300 feet msl and climbing to 5,000 feet msl. About 0915:05, the departure controller instructed flight 587 to climb to and maintain 13,000 feet msl, and the captain acknowledged this instruction about 5 seconds later. About 0915:29, the CVR recorded the captain's statement "clean machine," indicating that the gear, flaps, and slats had all been retracted.

About 0915:35, flight 587 was climbing through 1,700 feet msl with its wings approximately level. About 1 second later, the departure controller instructed flight 587 to turn left and proceed direct to the WAVEY navigation intersection (located about 30 miles southeast of JFK). About 0915:41, the captain acknowledged the instruction. The controller did not receive any further transmissions from flight 587.

FDR data indicated that, about 0915:36, the airplane experienced a 0.04 G drop in longitudinal load factor, a 0.07 G shift to the left in lateral load factor, and about a 0.3 G drop in normal (vertical) load factor. The airplane performance study found that these excursions were consistent with a wake turbulence encounter. Between 0915:36 and 0915:41, the FDR recorded movement of the control column, control wheel, and rudder pedals. Specifically, the control column moved from approximately 0º (neutral) to 2º nose up, 2º nose down, and back to 0º; the control wheel moved a total of seven times, with peaks at 18º right, 30º left, 37º right, 34º left, 5º left, 21º left, and 23º right, before moving to between 5º and 6º left; and the rudder pedals moved from about 0.1 inch left (the starting point for the pedals) to about 0.1 inch right and 0.2 inch left before moving to 0.1 inch left. The airplane performance study indicated that, during this time, the rudder moved from 0º (neutral) to about 2º left, about 0.6º right, and back to 0º.

During the wake turbulence encounter, the airplane's pitch angle increased from 9º to 11.5º, decreased to about 10º, and increased again to 11º. The airplane's bank angle moved from 0º (wings level) to 17º left wing down, which was consistent with the turn to
the WAVEY navigation intersection.

At 0915:44.7, the captain stated, "little wake turbulence, huh?" to which the first officer replied, at 0915:45.6, "yeah." At 0915:48.2, the first officer indicated that he wanted the airspeed set to 250 knots, which was the maximum speed for flight below 10,000 feet msl. At that point, the airplane was at an altitude of about 2,300 feet msl.

FDR data indicated that, about 0915:51, the load factors began excursions that were similar to those that occurred about 0915:36: the longitudinal load factor dropped from 0.20 to 0.14 G, the lateral load factor shifted 0.05 G to the left, and the normal load factor dropped from 1.0 to 0.6 G. The airplane performance study found that these excursions were also consistent with a wake turbulence encounter. According to the FDR, the airplane's bank angle moved from 23º to 25º left wing down at 0915:51.5, the control wheel moved to 64º right at 0915:51.5, and the rudder pedals moved to 1.7 inches right at 0915:51.9.

At 0915:51.8, 0915:52.3, and 0915:52.9, the CVR recorded the sound of a thump, a click, and two thumps, respectively. At 0915:54.2, the first officer stated, in a strained voice, "max power." At that point, the airplane was traveling at 240 knots. About 0915:55, the captain asked, "you all right?" to which the first officer replied, "yeah, I'm fine." One second later, the captain stated, "hang onto it. Hang onto it." The CVR recorded the sound of a snap at 0915:56.6, the first officer's statement "let's go for power please" at 0915:57.5, and the sound of a loud thump at 0915:57.7. According to the airplane performance study, the vertical stabilizer's right rear main attachment fitting fractured at 0915:58.4, and the vertical stabilizer separated from the airplane immediately afterward. At 0915:58.5, the CVR recorded the sound of a loud bang. At that time, the airplane was traveling at an airspeed of about 251 knots.

According to the FDR, the rudder pedals moved from 1.7 inches right to 1.7 inches left, 1.7 inches right, 2.0 inches right, 2.4 inches left, and 1.3 inches right between 0915:52 and 0915:58.5. Also, the FDR showed that the control wheel moved 64º to the right at 0915:51.5, 78º (full) to the left at 0915:53.5, 64º to the right at 0915:55.5, and 78º to the left at 0915:56.5.

The airplane performance study estimated that, at 0915:53.2, the rudder was deflected 11º to the left, and the sideslip angle at the airplane's center of gravity (cg) was about 4º to the left (after peaking temporarily at 5º to the left).21 At 0915:56.8, the rudder was deflected 10.2º to the left, and the sideslip angle was about 7º to the left. At 0915:58.4 (the time that the right rear main attachment fitting fractured), the rudder was deflected between 10º and 11º to the right, the sideslip angle was between 11º and 12º to the right, and the airplane experienced a 0.2 G shift to the right in lateral load factor.

The CVR recorded, at 0916:00.0, a sound similar to a grunt and, 1 second later, the first officer's statement, "holy [expletive]." At 0916:04.4, the CVR recorded a sound similar to a stall warning repetitive chime, which lasted for 1.9 seconds. At 0916:07.5, the first officer stated, "what the hell are we into…we're stuck in it." At 0916:12.8, the captain stated, "get out of it, get out of it." The CVR recording ended 2 seconds later. The airplane was located at 40º 34' 37.59" north latitude and 73º 51' 01.31" west longitude. The accident occurred during the hours of daylight.


The Boeings that impacted the WTC didn't have a fully loaded 747-400 in front of them, so they didn't have a wake turbulence encounter.
(There is a really scary video taken by NASA of a Learjet "investigating" the wake turbulence from a heavy jet. The Lear is rolling, even with full opposite aileron. Yikes.)
The terrorists flying the Boeings didn't hit wake turbulence, so they didn't overcontrol the rudder, so the vertical fin had no reason to separate from the aircraft. So the Boeings remained stable and controllable until impact.
The Airbus was stable and controllable (though getting knocked around some by the turbulence from the 747) until it lost the vertical stabilizer due to the co-pilot overcontrolling.
I can't say exactly what happened after that, but the airplane would not be stable in yaw, they were still in the wake turbulence, and they had only 2500 feet of altitude.

This is the same incident I recalled in my previous post, and the narrative has remained the same.
Now, since this accident had absolutely no connection whatsoever to 9/11, the likelyhood of the government lying about it to cover up something about 9/11 is pretty remote.

If you want to get all excited about some red hot proof of how 9/11 couldn't have happened the way it is normally portrayed as happening, you need to look somewhere else, because this is a dead end. The maneuvers the Boeings made, while somewhat more abrupt than the ones airline pilots use in order to keep their passengers comfortable, were nowhere near the physical limits of the airplane.

[TjW]

Ah. I see I made an error. Sentinel is no longer talking about the Airbus, he's talking about the Egypt Air flight. Sorry. The complete report on that is here. (http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2002/AAB0201.pdf)

And reading that, it appears the suicidal co-pilot put them into a power-off dive which exceeded the airplane's Mach limit by a goodly amount. Then the captain came into the cockpit, pulled speed brakes and tried to pull out. The FDR stopped recording at around 18000 feet, but primary radar data showed that it climbed from 16000 back up to 26000 feet before its final dive.

It looks to me as though the Egypt Air flight was going faster than the WTC Boeings. 450 kts indicated at 20000 feet would be a TAS of around 610 kts, about 700 mph.
It didn't go supersonic, but the FDR did record a peak of .99 Mach, well over the .86 Mach limit.

So: yet another suicidal pilot, and even more of an overspeed.

However, even after all that, it stayed together well enough to climb back up ten thousand feet. Since the FDR stopped, we don't have data on what happened during its final descent. Did it go faster than the previous descent? Dunno. No data.

All the WTC Boeings had to do was not come apart before impact. Since the Egypt Air Boeing is documented as going faster without coming apart, why would you expect the WTC Boeings to come apart at their lower speed?

[Shaun from Scotland]

'Kinell I have seen some major league 9/11 nutters on here but this is genuinely disturbing.

And there is no book by Hitler called the New World Order. Still, I guess you can let another factual error slip right on by eh Sentinel?

Sheesh!!

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Enough Said


Sentinel

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Enough Said


Sentinel

Definately

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Enough Said


Sentinel

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Enough Said

Sentinel
No, Paul. Not enough said. In this thread you wrote:
There is plenty of backup material to comfirm what is is being pointed relating to "persons of Interest" and certain corporations posibly connected to 9-11.

We all know what occured with Enron and their connection to Keyspan Energy. There is the the odd little "Rush" demolition in which two Aprox 400ft Gas tanks wrecked two months before 9-11 and when you do the measurement South Tower hit aprox 968 ft from ground floor up to 78th floor and do the math measurement from top down to 78 you get aprox 400ft. Regarding the Nort tower it is theorized that reason for the higher hit was take into consideration the 350ft x 300 ton radio antenna that had to land within austin tobin plaza like the other tower also tilting into austin tobin plaza. That is why 3 WFC which was right across West st was only slightly damaged. The winter Garden Theater suffered the greatest damage. There is the "secret" Energy metting held by Cheney so we have a connection between government and Energy Companies.
This has been discussed here before, but I took the time to reply as follows:

Sentinel, if you don't want to be called a kook, stop spewing garbage like this. It takes two minutes to get information about the demolition of those tanks, as you've been told before.
Representatives of KeySpan Energy, various city agencies, and a demolition company presented plans for the demolition of the two large gas tanks located near the intersection of Vandervoort and Maspeth avenues. The tanks have stood empty since the mid 1990s, and, according to a representative of KeySpan, which owns the property, the company has been planning the demolition for approximately two years. During a heated question and answer period, local residents questioned safety procedures and the delay in community notification.

According to Cathy Sevos, a community affairs officer at KeySpan, the tanks, which were built in 1927 and 1948, are being demolished because their age presents health and safety risks, they are costly to maintain, and they are obsolete due to the use of pipelines and other new technology.

Demolition is tentatively planned for July 15 by implosion. Compared to other methods, which involve months of disassembling with torches and cranes or jacks and which pose a risk of accidental collapse and release of lead vapor (due to heat from the torches), implosion takes only one minute and reduces the chance of lead contamination, Ms. Sevos said.

Implosion is carried out when explosives are inserted into holes in the structure, allowing it to collapse, according to Jim Santoro, a representative of Controlled Demolition Incorporated (CDI), the firm contracted by KeySpan to do the work. He said CDI has taken down over 6,000 structures worldwide, and he laid out all of the steps leading up to the demolition, including various safety precautions, and the process for removal of the debris afterwards. Once the structures have been demolished, the metal will be cut up with mechanical shears, a procedure which helps prevent the release of lead, he said.
http://www.billburg.com/community/article.cfm?Id=102

When you didn't respond, I asked
Agreed that the tank demolitions were planned for a long time and quite public, Paul? Are you finally going to drop that silly claim?Please answer that question Paul.

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Sentinel

[Bell]

Take me to your leader!

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Sentinel



Well I'm convinced.

Clearly an inside job.

-Gumboot

[Bronze Dog]

"What's the scale of those photos?" Bronze Dog asked, knowing that he would get only a dodgy answer, if any.

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Sentinel

Lithium

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Heh Heh Heh


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Sentinel
Is that your best and final answer, Paul?

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[Sentinel]

KeySpan (ticker: KSE, exchange: New York Stock Exchange (.N)) News Release - 13-Feb-1998
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Enron To Manage Gas Supply For Brooklyn Union

February 13, 1998

Houston & Brooklyn -- KeySpan Energy Corporation and Enron Capital & Trade Resources Corp. (ECT), a subsidiary of Enron Corp., today announced an agreement whereby ECT will provide gas supply management services for Brooklyn Union Gas, the primary subsidiary of KeySpan Energy. Under the terms of this agreement, which is subject to approval by the New York State Public Service Commission, ECT will assume responsibility for managing Brooklyn Union's interstate pipeline transportation, gas supply, and storage.


ECT will ensure that Brooklyn Union's gas supply requirements are met, while guaranteeing Brooklyn Union a premium over savings and profits that Brooklyn Union has been able to achieve independently for its customers and shareholders respectively. By achieving more than $10 million annually in combined savings and profits from its New York Hub's off-system sales in 17 states, Brooklyn Union continues to be among the leading independent gas supply managers in the United States. Brooklyn Union typically purchases natural gas in excess of 140 billion cubic feet per year at an annual cost of approximately $500 million.


This arrangement between ECT and Brooklyn Union represents the largest natural gas distribution asset management transaction to date, and is one of the few transactions where complete control of the natural gas portfolio has been transferred to a third party.


"KeySpan will improve its profitability by integrating the use of Brooklyn Union's regional assets into ECT's national gas trading and price-risk management operations," said Robert B. Catell, chairman, president, and CEO of KeySpan Energy Corporation. "This transaction illustrates the innovative strategies KeySpan is pursuing to bring value to our customers and shareholders."


"As the leading marketer of natural gas in North America, ECT has the expertise and capability to capture additional value inherent in Brooklyn Union's natural-gas supply portfolio in the national gas market and bring those benefits home to the utility and its customers," said Kenneth L. Lay, chairman and CEO, Enron Corp. "ECT's guaranteed profits and savings for Brooklyn Union will serve as a model for other utilities throughout the country. We believe that this transaction will add significant momentum to the trend of gas distribution companies outsourcing their gas supply function in preparation for full retail competition."


On September 29, 1997, KeySpan Energy Corporation (NYSE: KSE) became the parent holding company of The Brooklyn Union Gas Company, the nation's fifth largest gas distribution company. KeySpan Energy Corporation has subsidiaries and interests in domestic oil and natural gas exploration and production, gas transmission, gas storage, and energy marketing and services. KeySpan has international investments in gas distribution, gas transmission and cogeneration. KeySpan owns, through Brooklyn Union, 66 percent of The Houston Exploration Company (NYSE: THX) and includes among its subsidiaries KeySpan Energy Services Inc. and KeySpan Energy Management Inc. KeySpan Energy Corporation plans to combine with the Long Island Lighting Company. This transaction is awaiting final approval of regulatory authorities. Other news about KeySpan Energy Corporation or Brooklyn Union can be accessed through websites at www.keyspanenergy.com or www.bug.com.


Enron is the world's leading integrated natural gas and electricity company. The company, which owns approximately $23 billion in energy related assets, delivers physical commodities and risk management and financial services to provide energy solutions to customers around the world. Enron's internet address is www.enron.com, and the stock is traded under the ticker symbol, "ENE."



For more information, contact
KeySpan Energy Media Relations

[uk_dave]

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Sentinel

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OMG !!


I guess thats why the FBI stated "NO HARD EVIDENCE"




Sentinel

[milesalpha]

Why does Sentinel only speak in riddles?

Because it's less painful than when he tries to be direct. He is one of those people who makes me cringe with his analysis of history. A first year student who said such things would be in for a lot of remedial work.

[gumboot]

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Sentinel


Sentinel those two building collapse photos look nothing like. I mean, the green outline isn't even the same colour! Hello!

-Gumboot

[beachnut]

Ah. I see I made an error. Sentinel is no longer talking about the Airbus, he's talking about the Egypt Air flight. Sorry. The complete report on that is here. (http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2002/AAB0201.pdf)

And reading that, it appears the suicidal co-pilot put them into a power-off dive which exceeded the airplane's Mach limit by a goodly amount. Then the captain came into the cockpit, pulled speed brakes and tried to pull out. The FDR stopped recording at around 18000 feet, but primary radar data showed that it climbed from 16000 back up to 26000 feet before its final dive.

It looks to me as though the Egypt Air flight was going faster than the WTC Boeings. 450 kts indicated at 20000 feet would be a TAS of around 610 kts, about 700 mph.
It didn't go supersonic, but the FDR did record a peak of .99 Mach, well over the .86 Mach limit.

So: yet another suicidal pilot, and even more of an overspeed.

However, even after all that, it stayed together well enough to climb back up ten thousand feet. Since the FDR stopped, we don't have data on what happened during its final descent. Did it go faster than the previous descent? Dunno. No data.

All the WTC Boeings had to do was not come apart before impact. Since the Egypt Air Boeing is documented as going faster without coming apart, why would you expect the WTC Boeings to come apart at their lower speed?

it seems like s-bomb is just dropping junk and is not going to stop to discuss each bs-bomb he drops!

So it is a waste to see if Egypt air fell apart in the air and how would you know? But there would be nothing stopping the plane from breaking up in a supersonic dive, especially when it hits the thick air as it approaches the sea. The engines and parts could come off. But as we saw on 9/11 a Boeing is built very well and will survive an over speed condition.

[beachnut]

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wow

and did you know

Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/1997/dom/970901/notebook.scoop.html) for Enron. Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party.

Therefore, as I understand from Sentinal, it was Key Lay who funded the Taliban, and then UBL got upset and took out the WTC for Key Lay who was sleeping with UBL's first wife who was on the OB with UBL in DTN from OSUB down from ACLS who were behind SDS in the 70s before Nixon did WG due to CIA with UBL in ANSMFF soon to be WD guys in Scholar for 9/11 turth discovered the whole deal and went nuts!

What the heck is the S guy talking about. ?

[Gravy]

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Enough said.





Gravy

[Sentinel]

Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2 (formerly known as the Maspeth Holders)
City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area)
Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave.
Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am
Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc.
General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking
Height: Almost 400 feet tall each
Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder)

This implosion of two gigantic gas holders is to date one of the most unusual blasts we've ever seen, and photographically speaking, one of the most challenging.

There aren't many gas holders like these left these days, so getting the chance to see them imploded is a special treat. It is believed that less than a dozen are left in this country. These two holders, built by the Brooklyn Union Gas Company, and now owned by Keyspan Energy, are some of the tallest built in the US. The unusual twist for us is that this dual implosion occured in Brooklyn, NY. Despite our proximity to NYC, this is the first time (that we know of) that a major implosion has occured there in the four years we've been folowing the industry.

Unfortunately, we were faced with some unexpected problems the morning of the blast. The motor drive to our 35mm camera (which allows us to shoot 2 frames per second) was discovered to be missing just hours before the blast. It later turned up in a friend's car, but too late to be of any use to us. What it meant was that I had to advance the film manually, which takes a lot of quick action and coordination during a blast. On top of that, we were so close to the holders (just one block away), that it was impossible to fit both into the camera's view at one time. This meant that halfway through the blast (while manually advancing the film), I had to swivel the tripod, lining up a new view for the second holder.

In the end, our photos came out well and the blast was a success. In fact it was one of the most enjoyable we've ever been to, given the unusual nature of the blast, the close proximity we were viewing it from, and the deafening roar of the explosive charges as they ripped apart tons of steel.

Phillyblast's Implosion Photos

[delphi_ote]

Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2 (formerly known as the Maspeth Holders)
City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area)
Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave.
Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am
Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc.
General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking
Height: Almost 400 feet tall each
Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder)

This implosion of two gigantic gas holders is to date one of the most unusual blasts we've ever seen, and photographically speaking, one of the most challenging.

There aren't many gas holders like these left these days, so getting the chance to see them imploded is a special treat. It is believed that less than a dozen are left in this country. These two holders, built by the Brooklyn Union Gas Company, and now owned by Keyspan Energy, are some of the tallest built in the US. The unusual twist for us is that this dual implosion occured in Brooklyn, NY. Despite our proximity to NYC, this is the first time (that we know of) that a major implosion has occured there in the four years we've been folowing the industry.

Unfortunately, we were faced with some unexpected problems the morning of the blast. The motor drive to our 35mm camera (which allows us to shoot 2 frames per second) was discovered to be missing just hours before the blast. It later turned up in a friend's car, but too late to be of any use to us. What it meant was that I had to advance the film manually, which takes a lot of quick action and coordination during a blast. On top of that, we were so close to the holders (just one block away), that it was impossible to fit both into the camera's view at one time. This meant that halfway through the blast (while manually advancing the film), I had to swivel the tripod, lining up a new view for the second holder.

In the end, our photos came out well and the blast was a success. In fact it was one of the most enjoyable we've ever been to, given the unusual nature of the blast, the close proximity we were viewing it from, and the deafening roar of the explosive charges as they ripped apart tons of steel.

Phillyblast's Implosion Photos
Somehow, your argument by random image strategy was working better. I felt like we were communicating on some level. When you translate your argument into the base medium of nonsensical English, it loses some of its mysterious flavor. Try to keep things more abstract. It keeps you happy, because you think you've made a devastating point. It keeps us happy, because we have no idea what you're getting at.

[Sentinel]

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Spooks and Kooks

Thats all it boils down to.



Sentinel

[Sentinel]

From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fireman Paul Isaac: The Y2K- KeySpan- Maspeth-Twin Gas files


...speaking of pre-9/11 terror exercises connected with the "Guiliani gang", i might have something else:

Some months ago, Aux LT Fireman Paul Isaac Jr (correct name) made already some news at PrisonPlanet.
Isaac "was stationed at Engine 10", across the street from the World Trade Center in 1998 and 99; Engine 10 was entirely wiped out in the destruction of the towers.

Isaac came forward and said, that "many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they're afraid for their jobs to admit it because the 'higher-ups' forbid discussion of this fact."

I picked up the same story on my blog and helped him to find out, if there was possibly an additional gag order by ex-CIA James R Woolsey, but besides hearsay we couldn't find any new evidence on that point.


Isaac didn't give up to dig more on 9/11.
Meanwhile sick from the air of 9/11, his dedication to 9/11 research became extremely high.


Isaac confidentially contacted me last week again and after i first denied,
i promised to help a bit, basically for technical reasons and proper promotion of his research.

Paul has no proper computer equipment at home.


Following is now a collection of 'documents', which Isaac sees in a logical connection.

I helped him to scan some stuff and locate original details.


I would like to forward these files into this group to analyse what he has.


I promised Isaac, that someone might help him to co-write an article.

I also recommended not to focus on one particular document only, because it could be easily oversensationalized and distract from the other stuff he has "letsroll.org-effect".


Here are the files:

To make it more personally, we scanned an older photo of Paul Isaac:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=paulisaac5nm.jpg

The files:

File 1:
The following picture is a scan of the brochure of the 2000 Y2K "Y2K readiness disclosures".
http://img17.exs.cx/img17/8697/y2kshadowdrill8as.jpg

On this brochure you see the names of some involved responsible spokespersons, among them Jerome Hauer (OEM, WTC 7 etc...)

One of the main organizations, who also had been involved,
was KeySpan, formerly Brooklyn Union Gas, as mentioned within this brochure on Page 3, as i recall.
I found a confirmation of their "involvement" also here:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990221102818/http://www.marketspancorp.com/about/y2k.htm
KeySpan Energy's Year 2000 Program,
Year 2000 Readiness Disclosures


Isaac pointed on the cover of this brochure and asked for confirmations of sun/shadow experts.
He thinks, that the shadow which you see in the middle of the North Tower is an artificial constructed shadow from the Woolworth Building, possibly forced by a backlight projection.

Isaac might explain this better and i would like to forward his personal notes ASAP.


He thinks, that this could imply a symbolical "announcement" of the "attack" on the North Tower 9 months later, but possibly also could have been a test drive for a positioning of the bomb system.


I replied, that critics could downplay this as a photoshopped "dramatization" without any further reason.
Therefore he also suggested to add more files...


File 2:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=wtcpostcardcollection9cc.jpg

A collection of WTC-postcards to make the point, that this shadow on the North Tower (as seen on the brochure -and not manipulated from us) was impossible.
(Jean, our photographer in this group, might add now more clues)


Because i was more interested in another angle of an article, he had in this collection, we also scanned the following picture:


File 3:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=towerspluskeyspantanks1gm.jpg

Here you see the Twin Towers and a little bit far away, two twin gas storage tanks.

The story becomes now more interesting.

These two twin gas storage tanks had been destroyed, in a controlled demolition, by KeySpan (formerly Brooklyn Union Gas), on July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am, on Maspeth Avenue in Queens, New York.

http://www.qgazette.com/news/2001/0718/Front_Page/007p1_lg.jpg

July 18, 2001

Isaac believes, that this controlled demolition was a test drive for the Twin Towers, because of similar "procedure", effects, association AND nearby location.


Here is one article about this event:


http://www.qgazette.com/news/2001/0718/Front_Page/007.html
The Tanks Came Tumbling Down
July 18, 2001

"...KeySpan uses mechanized scissor-like devices to cut up the steel skin of the tanks, rather than torches, to avoid vaporizing the lead paint. In addition, KeySpan also laid down a special fabric cover to shield nearby buildings and vacuumed streets after the implosion...

...The twin gas storage tanks on Maspeth Avenue that hovered over Greenpoint and neighboring Queens for more than 50 years collapsed in a cloud of dust early Sunday morning after KeySpan Energy imploded the long unused structures..."



Possibly unsurprisingly for us (and maybe known for some), Keyspan destroyed these Gas storage tanks together with Controlled Demolition, Inc. !!

http://www.phillyblast.com/benthere.htm

http://www.phillyblast.com/Keyspan/keyspan6.jpg

Structures: Keyspan Gas Holder No. 1 and Holder No. 2
(formerly known as the Maspeth Holders)
City: Brooklyn, NY (Greenpoint area)
Location: Maspeth Ave. between Morgan Ave. and Vandervooft Ave.
Date & Time: July 15, 2001 - 7:02 am
Implosion Contractor: Controlled Demolition, Inc.
General Contractor: Mercer Wrecking
Height: Almost 400 feet tall each
Explosives: 750 lbs. of shaped charges (375 per holder) and 25 lbs. conventional charges (12.5 per holder)



These are all current Isaac files, i can provide.

He might add more notes from other articles, but i thought, that's already enough to build a story.


I promised Isaac to send him all the links, once i'm finished uploading and sending him the first responses of our members of 9/11 Science and Justice Alliance.

I think, an interesting article is possible.


If there is enough response, i would post his email address.
I cannot speak of the significance of his collection, but i think, he found some interesting stuff and it depends on how one write this.

nico



APPENDIX:


http://www.keyspanenergy.com/corpinfo/about/index_all.jsp
KeySpan Corporation was formed in May 1998 as a result of the merger of KeySpan Energy Corporation, the parent company of Brooklyn Union Gas, and certain businesses of the Long Island Lighting Company.

On November 8, 2000, KeySpan acquired Eastern Enterprises, a Massachusetts business trust, and the parent of several gas utilities operating in Massachusetts and New Hampshire.

http://www.keyspanenergy.com/corpinfo/about/leaders_all.jsp
Corporate Leaders

Robert B. Catell
serves on JPMorgan/Chase's Metropolitan Advisory Board

Gerald Luterman
former Chief Financial Officer of Arrow Electronics (1996-1999).
http://www.arrow.com/
Luterman began his career with Booz-Allen & Hamilton
(linked to PNAC member, ex-CIA James R. Woolsey)

[Gravy]

Sentinel, TruthSeeker1234, and Christophera.

Hey, Truth Movement! Would you mind sending us someone who isn't barking mad?

[milesalpha]

Just curious, I remember having to deal with some nonsense in the 1990s from the inappropriately named Institute for Historical Review, led by a real loon named Nico Haupt. Is this the same guy?

[Sentinel]

I provided the truth.

If you're still a moron thats on you.


Circumstantial evidence is permisable in a court of law.

You being licenced by the City Of New York should know that.


Sentinel

[Sentinel]

Nico haupt provided the technical assistance.
I provided the rest



Sentinel

[milesalpha]

Doesn't much answer the question. Maybe if I am more direct. Is your Nico Haupt a holocaust denying loony toon?

[The Almond]

[...]
Isaac came forward and said, that "many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they're afraid for their jobs to admit it because the 'higher-ups' forbid discussion of this fact."
[...]


Edits mine.

I've pulled this part out to prove a point. What your friend emailed to you is an example of hearsay evidence. He is reporting to you in an email what someone said to him in confidence. For someone who appears to be lecturing on the rules of evidence, I'm surprised you're trying to pass this off as circumstantial. You can report that the statement was said in a court of law, but you can't testify as to the validity of the claim.

[rwguinn]

I provided the truth.

If you're still a moron thats on you.


Circumstantial evidence is permisable in a court of law.

You being licenced by the City Of New York should know that.


Sentinel

welcome to ignore, rambling 25%er

[Gravy]

I provided the truth.

If you're still a moron thats on you.


Circumstantial evidence is permisable in a court of law.

You being licenced by the City Of New York should know that.


SentinelYou've provided ample circumstantial evidence, all right: that you're a crackpot. I feel bad for you, Paul. You are delusional. Please get help.

[Sentinel]

Oh as for the statement about the other fire personnel know and hearing the explosions,well, a simple search of the web will get you all the proof you need.

As for me, I was there. Thats alot more than what I can say about most of you.



Sentinel

[gumboot]

One of the main organizations, who also had been involved,
was KeySpan, formerly Brooklyn Union Gas, as mentioned within this brochure on Page 3, as i recall.
I found a confirmation of their "involvement" also here:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990221102818/http://www.marketspancorp.com/about/y2k.htm
KeySpan Energy's Year 2000 Program,
Year 2000 Readiness Disclosures


Isaac pointed on the cover of this brochure and asked for confirmations of sun/shadow experts.
He thinks, that the shadow which you see in the middle of the North Tower is an artificial constructed shadow from the Woolworth Building, possibly forced by a backlight projection.

Isaac might explain this better and i would like to forward his personal notes ASAP.


He thinks, that this could imply a symbolical "announcement" of the "attack" on the North Tower 9 months later, but possibly also could have been a test drive for a positioning of the bomb system.


I replied, that critics could downplay this as a photoshopped "dramatization" without any further reason.
Therefore he also suggested to add more files...


File 2:
http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=wtcpostcardcollection9cc.jpg

A collection of WTC-postcards to make the point, that this shadow on the North Tower (as seen on the brochure -and not manipulated from us) was impossible.
(Jean, our photographer in this group, might add now more clues)



I can't actually see the shadow you're referring to, so I think maybe you're hallucinating or something...

However, I can tell you that you're utterly mad. Do you have ANY Idea how much light would be required to cast a visible shadow on an entire skyscraper in broad daylight?

The most powerful standard lights we use in the film industry are the ARRI Daylight 18/12 (18Kw or 12Kw HMI) and ARRI Studio T24 (24Kw Tungsten Fresnel).

The T24 puts out 11,500 lux in a 4.9m circle at 20m distance on full spot (14 degree beam).
The 18/12 (on 18Kw) puts out 15,500 lux in a 3.9m diameter circle at 20m distance on full spot (11 degree beam).

In comparison, on a typical sunny day, the sun puts out between 32,000 and 100,000 lux (a minimum of 2 or 3 times the illuminance of these film lights).

I can't even fathom the number of lights required to light the area you're talking about, and even if they did the sunlight would make the shadows almost invisible.

-Gumboot

[maccy]

Hey Gravy,
<diatribe snipped>


I've reported this personal attack.

[Gravy]

I've reported this personal attack.Thanks. Funny, I haven't seen Mr. Isaac once on a Saturday at Ground Zero, even when he said he was going to be there. Come on, Paul, you can tell the NY911truth people to take your quote out of their literature, like you said you would. How about it?

ETA: looks like the mods removed Sentinel's nasty post. Is that an appropriate action when the title of the thread is "Told off by Sentinel?" :)

[Polaris]

See anything wrong yet, folks?

There is this:

Yet, all the planes on 9-11 made it to their destination on point.

United 93 didn't.

P.s. The US always helped the communist during the cold war but made its citizens believe they were the Boogeymen.



Example #1: The US Gave assistance to the Viet Nim who was headed by Ho Chi Men (A communist)
Why?
To get the Former Japanese and Vicci french (Nazi collaborators) out of indo china. Then We sent 58.000+ American fighters to their deaths so Capitalism could merge with Communism.

58,000 American fighters and 2 million Vietnamese. This is "helping" Communism? Never heard of Vicci french, do they make overpriced handbags? The US was at war with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, and their allies (including the Vichy). And I suppose nothing happened between 1945 and 1964 to maybe change policies toward the USSR and PRC? Like a nuclear arms race with the former and the creation of the latter?

Example#2 The Yogoslav partisans (tito) was given assistance so he could maintain hostilities against the Nazis

Again - war with the Nazis. You're missing the main one - the US supported the USSR directly in WW2 with Lend-Lease: vehicles, airplanes, tanks, uniforms, etc. You ignore the possibility of policy shifts.

The Carter Administration had GWB (The Father) heading the Mujahadin fighters in afganistan with good old (Tim Ossman). Then for some unknown reason GWB left the CIA to become Veep. This of course was shortly after the Iran Hostage crisis which mysteriously came to an end under the Reagan administration. The GWB seemed to be in colaboration with the Hinckly family which mysteriously were having dinner with Niel Bush( Mr savings and loans BCCI) the night before Reagan was shot.

The Mujahideen were formed under Reagan, not Carter. The Iranian Hostage Crisis came to an end (not very mysteriously, actually) very soon after Reagan took office because, in at least a small part, the Iranians saw him as a cowboy who might actually launch a missile or two.

The first WTC attack and its little fiasco with the investigations

You're too clever for me - what fiasco?

The We have the OKC Bombing and all the official reports reporting the extra "Nooks and crannies"

What "extra 'Nooks and crannies'"?

Now we have a failure to arrest congressmen for hitting on our children.

He has to be charged with a crime first:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/01/AR2006100100644.html

[delphi_ote]

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Spooks and Kooks

Thats all it boils down to.



Sentinel
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/delphi_ote/animo12.gif

Jabs and Hobabs

It's a total piece of cake.

delphi_ote

[gumboot]

To quote Pink Floyd...

Crazy,
Toys in the attic I am crazy,
Truly gone fishing.
They must have taken my marbles away.
Crazy, toys in the attic he is crazy.

...

Crazy,
Over the rainbow, I am crazy,
Bars in the window.
There must have been a door there in the wall
When I came in.
Crazy, over the rainbow, he is crazy.

-Gumboot

[uk_dave]

I have no idea who this 'sentinel' person is.

If he was somehow caught up in the events of 9/11 and is suffering from PTSD or similar, then that's very sad - seek help

If he's just another lonely person with an overactive imagination then that is also sad - get a life

[Pipirr]

This used to an amusing thread about the evil of Major League Baseball. What happened to that? Maybe I missed the point...

[Sentinel]

"You've Come a Long Way, Baby"

In 1950, Citibank had $23 million in gold bars sitting in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. But they had a slight problem. The bars had these nasty looking swastikas emblazoned on them. Worse yet, gold taken from Holocaust victims, politely referred to by historians as "non-monetary gold," was contained in the bars. Perplexed as to what to do, Citibank turned to the U.S. Treasury Department who came up with the simple solution of melting the gold, or "purifying" it, and recasting it with the fine words, "United States of America," emblazzened on them. They described this, using a nicely sanitized verb, as a "reissue." And how does Citibank explain how their firm could have trafficked in Nazi gold? According to spokesman Jack Morris, "This all happened in an era when there wasn't as much introspection about this kind of transaction." I mean, where would we be without the new improved introspection on Wall Street today? (NYT 11/2)

[Sentinel]

11/11/2006 5:20 PM ET
Report: Mets strike stadium naming deal
New ballpark to be called CitiField at groundbreaking ceremony
By Marty Noble / MLB.com

Mets Headlines

• Mets' Randolph second in manager voting
• Mets trade Bell, Ring for prospect, reliever
• Mets mailbag: Why wait for Glavine?
• El Duque, Valentin re-sign with Mets
• Mets break ground on new ballpark
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• Santana unanimously wins AL Cy Young
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• New Mets ballpark overview
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NEW YORK -- The name of the Mets' new home ballpark will be Shea no more, come 2009. The successor to Shea, the club's home since 1964, is to be named CitiField, according to several newspapers and Internet reports. The name comes from CitiCorp, Inc., the biggest bank in the nation, according to reports which put the value of the naming rights at as much as $20 million annually.
The Mets declined to comment on the reports.

One report said that the deal would be the most lucrative stadium-rights agreement ever, in terms of revenue per year, exceeding the 32-year, $300 million contract between the Houston Texans of the NFL and Reliant Energy Inc. None of the reports established the length of the contract.

Formal announcement of the name is expected to come Monday at the site of the new park, adjacent to Shea Stadium, during official groundbreaking ceremonies. Work at the site began months ago.

The Mets are to play two more seasons at Shea before their first game at CitiField, a 45,000-seat facility reminiscent of Ebbets Field, home of the Brooklyn Superbas and Dodgers from 1913-57, and the ballpark Mets owner Fred Wilpon embraced as a child.

Citigroup was the lead underwriter when the Mets sold $613 million in bonds earlier this year to help finance construction of the stadium.

Marty Noble is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

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[Aoidoi]

This used to an amusing thread about the evil of Major League Baseball. What happened to that? Maybe I missed the point...Free Agency has clearly ruined the thread.

[Sentinel]

You little glorified hotdog dealer started with the character assasination without even the commen curtesy of reaching me first. hes' a little girl who has to have people snitch for him.

Wow, what a man.


I'll be there this saturday for sure. I keep it real for the people and I'm definately going to keep it real for you terror eh eh Tourism AGENT.

Hey. Greasy "Would you like some mustard on that dog, sir.

I blew the board apart and even a ape will see that.

I gave you depth width and height. The tower came down in a DRXS Fashion demo job then the Bannana split peel. Did anyone notice the twist where the central core was? No, Go check the tape and watch the South Tower "spin" Counter Clock wise and watch the North Tower "Spin" Clock wise, thats why the DOT was ready with all the dump trucks that same night.

It's called Depraved Indefference to Human Life MURDER !!!


So go call a cop, stupid !

Sentinel

Calling names and incivil behaviour are against the Membership rules. Continue to breach the membership agreement and you will find yourself suspended from the forum.

[Aoidoi]

You little glorified hotdog dealer started with the character assasination without even the commen curtesy of reaching me first. hes' a little girl who has to have people snitch for him.

Wow, what a man.


I'll be there this saturday for sure. I keep it real for the people and I'm definately going to keep it real for you terror eh eh Tourism AGENT.

Hey. Greasy "Would you like some mustard on that dog, sir.

I blew the board apart and even a ape will see that.

I gave you depth width and height. The tower came down in a DRXS Fashion demo job then the Bannana split peel. Did anyone notice the twist where the central core was? No, Go check the tape and watch the South Tower "spin" Counter Clock wise and watch the North Tower "Spin" Clock wise, thats why the DOT was ready with all the dump trucks that same night.

It's called Depraved Indefference to Human Life MURDER !!!


So go call a cop, stupid !

SentinelIndeed. The Yankees suck.

[Gravy]

Let's Go Mets!

[beachnut]

I blew the ... a ape ... see that.



stupid ...Sentinel

??? what is this, and how does it have the capability to type?

[Bell]

Let's Go Mets!

Sucker!! Yankees caps are lot cooler. It was one of these things I had to buy when I was in NY :)

[Pipirr]

Ah, back on track. Marvellous.

[DanKirby]

Even on a forum where we have threads dedicated to topics like Christophera's delusions and TS1234's ever-evolving stream of insanity, this is definitely the most mind-boggling thing I've seen yet. :boggled:

[gumboot]

You little glorified hotdog dealer started with the character assasination without even the commen curtesy of reaching me first. hes' a little girl who has to have people snitch for him.


I have reported the post above as I believe it serves no purpose other than to attack another forum member, which I personally feel is unacceptable.

-Gumboot

[Aoidoi]

I have reported the post above as I believe it serves no purpose other than to attack another forum member, which I personally feel is unacceptable.

-GumbootYou shortstop, you!

Somebody has to be out in left field, after all. Discussing concessions at the ballpark is hardly worth being called out! Hotdog vendors are able to walk the walk, after all. Otherwise they could strike!

[gumboot]

You shortstop, you!

Somebody has to be out in left field, after all. Discussing concessions at the ballpark is hardly worth being called out! Hotdog vendors are able to walk the walk, after all. Otherwise they could strike!


Sorry, I don't speak American-ese. ;)

In English? :p

-Gumboot

[beachnut]

left field, crazy

[beachnut]

here is what someone said about left field, but i wish someone could tell me what Sentinal was trying to say


WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD - "Out of touch, eccentric, odd; also, misguided. This term alludes to the left field of baseball, and there is some disagreement concerning its origin. Some writers suggest it comes from the remoteness of left field, but only in very asymmetrical ballparks is left field more distant than right field. Others suggest it alludes to the 'wrongness' of left as opposed to the 'rightness' of right. A correspondent of William Safire's in the "New York Times" said it was an insulting remark made to those who bought left-field seats in New York's Yankee Stadium during the years that Babe Ruth played right field, putting them far away from this outstanding player. Perhaps the most likely theory is that it alludes to inmates of the Neuropsychiatric Institute, a mental hospital, which was located behind left field in Chicago's old West Side Park. Hence being told you are 'out in left field' would mean you were accused of being as peculiar as a mental patient. In any event, the term has been used figuratively for various kinds of eccentricity and misguidedness since the first half of the 20th century. John Ciardi also cited a synonym, 'out in left pickle,' maintaining that 'pickle' was baseball slang for the outfield. Perhaps it once was, but it is no longer current." From "Southpaws & Sunday Punches and other Sporting Expressions" by Christine Ammer (Penguin Books, New York, 1993).

[Oliver]

Okay. I´ve read the whole mess now and i have no
clue who sentinel is or what he´s trying to tell us.

What was the scenario that took place on 9/11 to
make sense out of every major event in history
that you connected somehow to 9/11.

What´s your scenario? What happend on 9/11?

[Aoidoi]

Sorry, I don't speak American-ese. ;)

In English? :p

-GumbootUm... don't stick your sticky wicket in a tea time bouncy bouncy? Paddle Thames Big Ben bowler fox hunt?

Sorry, my English is a bit rusty.

;)

beachnut: Sentinel has, through the cunning use of "placing things in lists" demonstrated that MLB is responsible for 9/11. And that Gravy is a hotdog vendor. I think it's a zen thing.

[gumboot]

Um... don't stick your sticky wicket in a tea time bouncy bouncy? Paddle Thames Big Ben bowler fox hunt?

Sorry, my English is a bit rusty.

;)


Red fox! Red Fox! We are 6 for 9. The weevil is in the biscuit, I say again the weevil is in the biscuit!

-Gumboot

[Pipirr]

Sentinel has, through the cunning use of "placing things in lists" demonstrated that MLB is responsible for 9/11. And that Gravy is a hotdog vendor. I think it's a zen thing.

Exactly. Its a fascinating new angle that may bring down the entire what do you call it, behind 9/11, the NWO and the Swiss and all that.

On the side, like all right-thinking people, the supplanting of cricket as america's national past time by a glorified version of rounders, has always struck me as a deeply anomalous historical event. How could MLB maintain this deeply unnatural state of affairs without recourse to nefarious means? Like mind control, or something? Maybe in the lining of those really cool Yankies caps?

But I don't quite get how exactly MLB did it all. Do tell, S. I'm standing at silly mid off waiting for a tickler.

[delphi_ote]

How could MLB maintain this deeply unnatural state of affairs without recourse to nefarious means?
No doubt. How do you get something that boring on television almost every night for months without killing a few people?

[Sentinel]

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[Oliver]

Okay. I´ve read the whole mess now and i have no
clue who sentinel is or what he´s trying to tell us.

What was the scenario that took place on 9/11 to
make sense out of every major event in history
that you connected somehow to 9/11.

What´s your scenario? What happend on 9/11?


I´m listening to you, Sentinel.

[Sentinel]

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[Bell]

Great, now the NWO stole the content of Sentinel's posts! :mad:

[Sentinel]

Sorry,

Unfortunatly, someone has disabled my ability to add graphics.


Sentinel

[Oliver]

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Sentinel

I don´t understand you. Please do me the favor and speak
in whole sentences. It´s even hard enough to translate all
the english stuff. What was the scenario on 9/11 - what
do you think did happen?

[Bell]

Sorry,

Unfortunatly, someone has disabled my ability to add graphics.


Sentinel

Uhm...? You sure?
Did you use the [ img ] [ /img ] tags properly (without the spaces) ?
Why would your ability to add pictures be disabled?

[Oliver]

Uhm...? You sure?
Did you use the [ img ] [ /img ] tags properly (without the spaces) ?
Why would your ability to add pictures be disabled?

I quoted him and his message had no Image-Tags
at all - not even misspelled ones... :rolleyes:

[Gravy]

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SentinelCan't argue with that.

Let's Go Mets!

[aggle-rithm]

Sorry,

Unfortunatly, someone has disabled my ability to add graphics.


Sentinel

Uh-oh.... I've seen this sort of thing before.

Next your emoticon capabilities will be neutralized. Then you won't be able to visit porn sites!

Those NWO fiends....

[Sentinel]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_9938455e1aedd16ce.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2653)


Sentinel

[Oliver]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_9938455e1aedd16ce.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2653)


Sentinel

Look, Sentinel - even a Non-NWO, dutch >number 1<
controlled demolition expert said it does not look like a
controlled demolition.

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-129851858930592160&q=zembla#27m40s

So why do you post this crap-picture over and over again?

Don´t you have an own opinion??? :confused:

[Sentinel]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_9938455e1c7a6d325.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2655)




sentinel

[Oliver]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_9938455e1c7a6d325.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2655)
sentinel

I´m sorry, Sentinel. I am honestly trying to under-
stand you - but these pictures does not explain
your believes at all. :(

[Sentinel]

Post deleted for abuse

[Oliver]

Content deleted in original post removed.

Look. Sentinel - no matter what you think about the
pope or the guards at the vatican, i know FOR SURE
that it´s not proven that the Nazis were involved in
the Reichtagsbrand - no matter how good they used
this event for their politics.

So please don´t compare this one to todays events.
Do your research.

[Sentinel]

Which start time do you prefer for Sunday home games?
5:00pm
5:30pm

























CYCLONES SEASON ENDS

CYCLONES DROP GAME ONE

BRIAN BANNISTER HONORED

CYCLONES WIN WILD CARD IN EXTRAS

LAST CHANCE ON LAST DAY

CYCLONES SPLIT, NOW HALF-GAME BACK

CYCLONES JUST ONE GAME BACK

RAINED OUT ON TUESDAY




















Brooklyn Cyclones – Class A Affiliate of the New York Mets
Member, New York-Pennsylvania Professional Baseball League
KeySpan Park – 1904 Surf Avenue – Brooklyn, NY 11224
Phone: 718-449-8497 – Fax: 718-449-6368 – Tickets: 718-507-TIXX
info@brooklyncyclones.com

[Oliver]

Which start time do you prefer for Sunday home games?
5:00pm
5:30pm

CYCLONES SEASON ENDS

CYCLONES DROP GAME ONE

BRIAN BANNISTER HONORED

CYCLONES WIN WILD CARD IN EXTRAS

LAST CHANCE ON LAST DAY

CYCLONES SPLIT, NOW HALF-GAME BACK

CYCLONES JUST ONE GAME BACK

RAINED OUT ON TUESDAY

Brooklyn Cyclones – Class A Affiliate of the New York Mets
Member, New York-Pennsylvania Professional Baseball League
KeySpan Park – 1904 Surf Avenue – Brooklyn, NY 11224
Phone: 718-449-8497 – Fax: 718-449-6368 – Tickets: 718-507-TIXX
info@brooklyncyclones.com

I live in germany and i don´t know about cyclones
or something like that but i know about my german
history - so please explain your scenario to me.
Maybe i´m able to agree with you if you take the
time to build sentences that make sense to me.

Take the time to answer my question,

sincerely,
Oliver

[maccy]

Hey douche,
<snipped>


Reported.

I humbly suggest you take some time away from here Sentinel and come back when you can post in a calmer way.

[Gravy]

Corn Dogs

INGREDIENTS:
1 cup all-purpose flour
1 cup yellow cornmeal
1 tablespoon granulated sugar
3 teaspoons baking powder
1 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 teaspoons chili powder
2 eggs
1 cup milk
1/4 cup vegetable oil
oil or shortening for deep frying
1 pound hot dogs, about 10, or use 1 pound of cocktail hot dogs
wooden skewers, popsicle sticks, or toothpicks for cocktail hot dogsPREPARATION:

In a mixing bowl, combine flour, cornmeal, sugar, baking powder, salt and chili powder. In another bowl, beat the eggs with milk and the 1/4 cup of oil. Stir egg and milk mixture into dry ingredients and whisk together until batter is smooth.

Heat oil in the deep fryer to 360°. Insert a wooden skewer or popsicle stick into each hot dog, to make a "handle" for the hot dogs. Holding the stick or skewer, dip each hot dog into batter, turning to coat thoroughly and evenly. Fry corn dogs in 2 or 3 batches, for about 3 to 5 minutes, or until golden brown. Drain on paper towels or heavy brown paper.

[The Almond]

Reported.

I humbly suggest you take some time away from here Sentinel and come back when you can post in a calmer way.

It occurred to me that he's probably just trying to get banned. It's a slightly more noble way to end an argument, giving the poster the chance to say, "They just couldn't handle having me totally pwn all of their arguments, I'm just too awesome for them." I suppose once he's not here, he can go talk to his little club for CT folks only.

[Pipirr]

Cool, those are corn dogs? I've never had one.

>salivates<

[Oliver]

Reported.

I humbly suggest you take some time away from here Sentinel and come back when you can post in a calmer way.

I´m sorry, Maccy but you should leave this to me if i am
about to report someone who´s trying to attack me.

However - i don´t care about personal attacks at all... ;)

[maccy]

I´m sorry, Maccy but you should leave this to me if i am
about to report someone who´s trying to attack me.

However - i don´t care about personal attacks at all... ;)

It wasn't just you he was attacking and its still a breach of the forum rules.

[Oliver]

It wasn't just you he was attacking and its still a breach of the forum rules.

I know - but i want him to calm down and to speak
in sentences that make sense to everyone in here... :blush:

[Pipirr]

suspended...

will the MLB story never be told?

In a way that makes any kind of sense at all?

[maccy]

I know - but i want him to calm down and to speak
in sentences that make sense to everyone in here... :blush:

Maybe he'll calm down a bit while he's suspended...

[Oliver]

Maybe he'll calm down a bit while he's suspended...

Yeah, that´s why i did not want to see him being suspended...
He lost his brother in there and i can understand that this is not
easy to him or to stay calm about this issue... :(

[Gravy]

Yeah, that´s why i did not want to see him being suspended...
He lost his brother in there and i can understand that this is not
easy to him or to stay calm about this issue... :(I don't believe he's talking about his brother, but about his metaphorical "brothers" in the FDNY.

The Auxiliary unit of the FDNY is actually a civil defense unit, not a New York City first responder unit, that started just before the US became involved in WWII. The concerns were that if the US went to war, many firefighters would leave the city underprotected, plus the city might be subject to bombing attacks. By December 7, 1941 (Pearl Harbor), there were 31,000 FDNY Auxiliary volunteers who drilled on Saturdays. The program was halted after the war but was restarted in 1951, when the threat of Soviet nuclear attack became a concern.

The FDNY Auxiliary consists of part-time volunteers who have training to be able to help in case of major disasters. I don't know if the status of the Auxiliary has changed since 9/11. Google "FDNY auxiliary" and almost all you find is a couple of historical mentions and a bunch of stuff about Sentinel (Paul Isaac). The two firefighters I spoke to at my local firehouse didn't know there was an auxiliary program.

[Alt+F4]

The two firefighters I spoke to at my local firehouse didn't know there was an auxiliary program.

My brother-in-law, an FDNY vet, told me as far as he knew there was no auxiliary program and he was on the job for 20 years.

[aggle-rithm]

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Sentinel

Ooh! Can I play?

[Pardalis]

Come on fellows, nobody should make fun of these images. People died in that fireball.

[delphi_ote]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_9938455a2c5caf365.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2609)
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_9938455b8bbfc3937.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2630)
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_9938455e1aedd16ce.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2653)
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_9938455e1c7a6d325.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2655)
Deja vu!

[aggle-rithm]

Come on fellows, nobody should make fun of these images. People died in that fireball.


Too soon, huh?

Actually, I was making fun of Sentinal, but...yeah, I see your point.

[Sentinel]

Breach of Rule 4 removed.


It sure seems odd to me that "The 9-11 Terrorist" who are out to kill as many "infedels" as posible would pass up on such a good morsel as The Indian Point Nuclear Power plant sitting just 35 Miles just north of NYC on the Hudson River.

I'm sure if the terrorist were as smart as the Powers That Be wanted us to believe they would recall Three Mile Island or Chernobal.


The fact that corporations hold more respect than people should awaken you to the facts that Politions are crooked and will serve the status quo of the ones who really called the shots long before 9-11 or OKC or the 1st WTC Event. You know, speaking on the first event, Do you know that a veteran NYPD Detective nearly lost his job for finding the Axle VIN?


And as for Gravy and "His Brother statement" Content in Breach of Membership Agreement removed You saw me on saturday and you couldn't hold the conversation infront of GZ. Why did you turn and walk awayb when I brought the subject of Flight 11 flying right over indian point only to hit a failing white elephant?


Sentinel

[Sentinel]

Just 24 Miles




My Bad



Sentinel

[maccy]

Deleted. No longer relevent.

[Sentinel]

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[Sentinel]

Yes your majesty


May I sugest you stop your biased censorship and judgments.


Sentinel

[apathoid]

Interesting subject. Perhaps the hijackers concluded that their attack would be useless if they didnt penetrate the 6 1/2 ft reinforced concrete wall. This airplane didnt have any luck busting through...

http://www.sandia.gov/videos2005/F4-crash.asx

[Gravy]

And as for Gravy and "His Brother statement" Content in Breach of Membership Agreement removed You saw me on saturday and you couldn't hold the conversation infront of GZ. Why did you turn and walk awayb when I brought the subject of Flight 11 flying right over indian point only to hit a failing white elephant?

SentinelThat's false. No conversation was happening during the hours you were there. I explained to you that since you weren't listening to anything I said, I was walking away. I said that twice, but you probably didn't hear me because you were too absorbed in your stream-of-consciousness-ranting. Is that what you call "setting me straight?" You do the same thing here. You spew unrelated nonsense and outright falsehoods while ignoring the facts presented by sensible people. You can't learn if you don't listen, Paul.

If anyone wants to know what Paul is like in person, just take all of his posts here, mix the paragraphs together, and read them as fast as you can.

PS. Paul, the WTC was neither failing nor a white elephant. It was thriving and highly profitable, and was the most visible symbol of American commerce. I have no idea what my "brother statement" is.

[Bronze Dog]

Catching up with the thread, and I couldn't resist:

Sentinel has, through the cunning use of "placing things in lists" demonstrated that MLB is responsible for 9/11. And that Gravy is a hotdog vendor. I think it's a zen thing.

A Buddhist walks up to a hot dog stand and says, "Make me one with everything."

Back to the thread:

Of course, as has probably been pointed out or at least hinted at illions of times: Sentinel has no concept of scale when it comes to that meaningless combined photo... thing.