Flashes on north tower

[Docker]

Go to 7:50 in this video and watch the sky lobby on the north tower. about 20 stories down from impact zone.

You can clearly see small flashes that increase in size

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370762387415552903&q=bob+and+bri

[Skibum]

Looks like sunlight reflecting off of a falling piece of glass.

[Docker]

Looks like sunlight reflecting off of a falling piece of glass.

When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?

[Oliver]

Looks like something shimmering is falling down. WOW! :D

[Anti-sophist]

Compression artifacts? Camera flashes? Reflections?

[Skibum]

When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?


approximately 7 minutes and 50 seconds into the video link you posted.

[Anti-sophist]

When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?

I've seen the sun reflecting off the ocean from 30,000 feet.

[Oliver]

Compression artifacts? Camera flashes? Reflections?

NWO? Thermonuclear reactions? Falling "Illuminati"? Aliens? :D

[Gravy]

approximately 7 minutes and 50 seconds into the video link you posted. :D

Docker, you should really learn to use the forum search function.

[Gravy]

Go to 7:50 in this video and watch the sky lobby on the north tower. about 20 stories down from impact zone.

You can clearly see small flashes that increase in size

So what? Tell us what YOU think it is, and why! Why do you still have to be told this?

[Shrinker]

When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?

How far does glass fall before it stops being shiny?

[fuelair]

wow, another one. Have fun guys. I'm outta here!!

[Docker]

:D

Docker, you should really learn to use the forum search function.#

I shall try. Then you can set me a little quiz about it after.

I only saw that video for the first time just now. I admit my first thought was glass falling, but then I heard alex jones in my brain saying "its bombs, its bombs"

[Docker]

How far does glass fall before it stops being shiny?

Duh I meant hes probably never seen it so he wouldn't know what it looked like. I was actually joking.

[Oliver]

#

I shall try. Then you can set me a little quiz about it after.

I only saw that video for the first time just now. I admit my first thought was glass falling, but then I heard alex jones in my brain saying "its bombs, its bombs"

I saw it and someone in my head screamed "Concrete Core, Concrete Core!" :boggled:

[Docker]

I saw it and someone in my head screamed "Concrete Core, Concrete Core!" :boggled:

Alex didn't just say "its bombs", the full quote was: "its bombs, its bombs, its admitted, associated press"

[Skibum]

I saw it and someone in my head screamed "Jellyfish Core, Jellyfish Core!" :boggled:

Corrected.

[Oliver]

Corrected.

D@MN! :D

[Big Al]

When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?

When was the last time you saw glass falling 1300 feet at all, Docker? Are you an expert in falling glass or something?

Why on earth does the fact that glass is falling render it non-reflective?

I don't see what you're getting at here. OK, so the mighty tower laughs at having a Boeing jet slammed into it at high speed, but a few little flash-bangs some time after the event are enough to bring it down?

So, the evil powers-that-be plan to crash an airliner into the tower to bring it down. However, they know that a plane crashing that high up isn't enough to destroy it. However, cunningly, they've secretly placed a vast quantity of explosives right at the weakest point, and they detonate them some time after the impact. Weren't the éminence grises in the CIA taking just a teeny risk planting all those explosives in the hope that nobody in the ever-crowded WTC would notice?

So why didn't they just get the plane to crash at that point? If one plane wouldn't do the trick, why not two at different heights?

It seems to me ridiculous that the authorities go to all the trouble of pulling a plane crash stunt that they know won't work. Why not plan a stunt that will work? You can't tell me such powerful and evil people couldn't ever have brought the towers down with plane crashes!

The planted explosives myth strikes me as absolute lunacy.

[realitybites]

There are lots of things in this world that can reflect light. I'm guessing a few of them were in, on, or around the World Trade Center that day.

ETA: Are you ever going to state what your stance is on any of the threads you start Docker? I'm sure you're thinkin' "Gotcha JREFers!" with each new one you start, but it's quite honestly nothing that hasn't been brought up before.

[Oliver]

There are lots of things in this world that can reflect light. I'm guessing a few of them were in, on, or around the World Trade Center that day.

Even falling paper looks like reflections like in other footages i saw.

[kookbreaker]

When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?


Never. But I don't see glass falling that far very often. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what properties of falling that far cause glass to lose its reflective properties?

[Docker]

There are lots of things in this world that can reflect light. I'm guessing a few of them were in, on, or around the World Trade Center that day.

I get the feeling if I presented a video showing a team of black masked delta force, firing davy crockett nukes at the towers, I would be told its a reflection.

[Docker]

Never. But I don't see glass falling that far very often. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what properties of falling that far cause glass to lose its reflective properties?

Are you really that dense? I meant if he hasn't seen glass falling before how can he frecognise it. Aaarrrghhh! I have not said anything about the properties of falling glass. Incidentally I think it probably is glass.

[kookbreaker]

I get the feeling if I presented a video showing a team of black masked delta force, firing davy crockett nukes at the towers, I would be told its a reflection.

Do you have such a video? I rather doubt it.

Meanwhile, can you tell us what properties of falling cause glass to lose its reflectivity.

[Oliver]

I get the feeling if I presented a video showing a team of black masked delta force, firing davy crockett nukes at the towers, I would be told its a reflection.

No, i really dislike the Gov for the lie in Iraq. You will be the first man i kiss if you find any evidence beside LaLa-Land.

[Docker]

There are lots of things in this world that can reflect light. I'm guessing a few of them were in, on, or around the World Trade Center that day.

ETA: Are you ever going to state what your stance is on any of the threads you start Docker? I'm sure you're thinkin' "Gotcha JREFers!" with each new one you start, but it's quite honestly nothing that hasn't been brought up before.

On the contrary. I am not here to "get you", in fact that seems to be your attitude to me.

[alexg]

It's falling debris catching the light. It's quite clear in the .mov I have, which may be a higher quality vid. There was lots of falling debris, some reflective, some not. There were flashes all up and down that side of the building, the sunny side. The flashes had a pattern, from high to low, in rythm, at a certain speed, all of which match perfectly my sense of a piece of glass falling, rotating, flipping, and catching the sun when the rotation was correct. It's almost obvious that's what it is in the .mov. One piece even angles over to the edge of the building and glints once right on the junction between the building and the smoke cloud.

Get the .mov, that's all I CAN SAY BECAUSE IT WILL LEAVE NO DOUBT.

[realitybites]

Incidentally I think it probably is glass.
Then once again.... why did you start this thread?

[Mancman]

I think it's bombs.

After all, it makes perfect sense to set off explosives 10 floors below where the plane hit, 80 odd minutes before the building collapsed. :drool:

[realitybites]

On the contrary. I am not here to "get you", in fact that seems to be your attitude to me.
Yes that's right. We subliminally forced you to sign up here so we could "get you". Dead-on.

Damn, you're good.....

[alexg]

Sunlight hitting a piece of glass is visible from long distances. Was that method not used to send signals in the past? Sunlight is more powerfull ligh than pretty much any other light.

[kookbreaker]

Are you really that dense? I meant if he hasn't seen glass falling before how can he frecognise it.

Its one of several posibilities. But the most likely candidate is glass, if not some compression error.

What you 'meant' is not what you wrote. See below.


Aaarrrghhh! I have not said anything about the properties of falling glass.


Your exact comment was "When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?"

Which, when phrased that way, implies quite strongly that the sunlight should not be reflecting off the falling glass. Thus meaning it loses one of its physical properties.

I can't help it if what you type makes you look like an idiot, so you can stop acting like a spoiled child when you get called on it.


Incidentally I think it probably is glass.

Which puts you neck and neck with the bag of hammers in the intelligence test.

[Docker]

Do you have such a video? I rather doubt it.

Meanwhile, can you tell us what properties of falling cause glass to lose its reflectivity.

When did I claim that straw man. I think its glass.

Go to:

www.deltaforcetowers.com/view/ (http://http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370762387415552903&q=bob+and+bri)

[Oliver]

When did I claim that straw man. I think its glass.

Go to:

www.deltaforcetowers.com/view/ (http://http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370762387415552903&q=bob+and+bri)

Your link is broken - no matter if i click or C&P it...

Oops - i see the error within the URL... Proxy? :D

[kookbreaker]

When did I claim that straw man.

When you said this: "When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?"

Which, as I stated above,implies that the glass should not be reflecting the light while it is falling.

I'm sorry you made yourself look stupid, but you can't call that a strawman.

[Anti-sophist]

When did I claim that straw man. I think its glass.


What a troll.

[realitybites]

When did I claim that straw man. I think its glass.

What kind of glass then? It has to be some sort of evil-conspiracy glass, otherwise, I see no logical reason as to why you started this thread.

You post a video, talk about flashes, and then admit you think it's glass.

WTF??

[Docker]

Yes that's right. We subliminally forced you to sign up here so we could "get you". Dead-on.

Damn, you're good.....

Noone forced me but , because I don't have an insecure life and need to delude myself that conspiracies don't happen to keep a sense of order and remain in a comfort zone, everyone thinks that they need to catch me out.

I start posts which you all claim are pointless and yet you queue to debate me on them.

[Docker]

What's a troll?

[Anti-sophist]

I start posts which you all claim are pointless and yet you queue to debate me on them.

We aren't debating you! We are agreeing with you! It's glass! HOORRAY DOCKER AND THE POWER OF HIS MIND!!!

[Oliver]

Noone forced me but , because I don't have an insecure life and need to delude myself that conspiracies don't happen to keep a sense of order and remain in a comfort zone, everyone thinks that they need to catch me out.

I start posts which you all claim are pointless and yet you queue to debate me on them.

It´s not pointless and i believe that conspiracies are no fantasies - beside most conspiracy theories. However - this has been discussed million times before. Gravy talked about the search feature of this board. ;)

[realitybites]

Noone forced me but , because I don't have an insecure life and need to delude myself that conspiracies don't happen to keep a sense of order and remain in a comfort zone, everyone thinks that they need to catch me out.
So now you're a psychologist. Splendid. And who said conspiracies don't happen? I'm sure the world has seen it's fair share of them throughout the ages. It's just that 9/11 wasn't one of them.

I start posts which you all claim are pointless and yet you queue to debate me on them.
If you would've stated that you thought the flashes were glass from the get-go, there would've been no debate. Instead you pretend there's something suspicious about them and then decide to come clean.

Like a troll.

[Docker]

It´s not pointless and i believe that conspiracies are no fantasies - beside most conspiracy theories. However - this has been discussed million times before. Gravy talked about the search feature of the board. ;)

I thought it was new. I can't be bothered searching before every post

[alexg]

http://media.revver.com/broadcast/59686/download

Here's a link to the .mov. This should leave no doubt.

[Anti-sophist]

What's a troll?


A guy who starts a new thread with a bunch of goading questions when he doesn't care about the answers. Maybe like this...


When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?


I get the feeling if I presented a video showing a team of black masked delta force, firing davy crockett nukes at the towers, I would be told its a reflection.


and then..


Incidentally I think it probably is glass.


For more information, consult http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

[Oliver]

What's a troll?

Internet Trolls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls

[Docker]

How is my presence here any different to you people going to LC forums and trying to get yoursef banned, as I have seen several JREFers bragging about today?

[Oliver]

I thought it was new. I can't be bothered searching before every post

I like your humor... :D

[Oliver]

How is my presence here any different to you people going to LC forums and trying to get yoursef banned, as I have seen several JREFers bragging about today?

You should be real. The topic of this thread is boring, old, pure speculation, senseless, boring and senseless.

So what is the reflection and what caused it?

[realitybites]

Noone forced me but , because I don't have an insecure life....
You don't have a life, period my friend. 225 posts per day on average breaks down to one post every 4 minutes you're awake assuming you get the recommended 8 hours of sleep every night.

[Docker]

Internet Trolls:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls

"In Internet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) terminology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology), a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum) and intentionally tries to cause disruption, most often in the form of posting inflammatory, off-topic, or otherwise inappropriate messages"

1) I don't disrupt because you could ignore me

2) I don;t inflame. I haven't said anything truly controversial, in fact I agree with a lot of what you say.

3) I don't go off topic. It's a conspiracy forum and I talk about conspiracies

[Oliver]

3) I don't go off topic. It's a conspiracy forum and I talk about conspiracies

No, you´re talking about some falling whatever that caused reflections, remember? :D

[Docker]

You don't have a life, period my friend. 225 posts per day on average breaks down to one post every 4 minutes you're awake assuming you get the recommended 8 hours of sleep every night.

But i'm responding to several people and I tend to do lots of short posts rather than huge essays. But thanks for showing your anally retentive qualities by calculating my post/minute ratio. Your life must be very full.

[kookbreaker]

How is my presence here any different to you people going to LC forums and trying to get yoursef banned, as I have seen several JREFers bragging about today?

Several reasons.

1) The banned posters were not banned for starting threads they didn't care about the answers to, the were banned for disagreeing with the LC status quo.

2) Those who banned were often banned simply because they came from JREF.

3) We don't mind asking legitimite questions, but when you put up a post when you already are pretty certain about the answer without any indication that you think you know the answer, that's pretty trollish. Then to make such a stupid comment about glass not being reflective when falling means you really just want the thread to explode for your own personal satisfaction.

[Oliver]

Several reasons.

1) The banned posters were not banned for starting threads they didn't care about the answers to, the were banned for disagreeing with the LC status quo.

2) Those who banned were often banned simply because they came from JREF.



Or they were banned for being banned and banned and banned... :rolleyes:

[realitybites]

But i'm responding to several people and I tend to do lots of short posts rather than huge essays. But thanks for showing your anally retentive qualities by calculating my post/minute ratio. Your life must be very full.
It's simple math. Didn't really eat up too much of my day. Appreciate your concern though.

What's the next topic you're going to post about that you already agree with most on?

[Docker]

Several reasons.

1) The banned posters were not banned for starting threads they didn't care about the answers to, the were banned for disagreeing with the LC status quo.

2) Those who banned were often banned simply because they came from JREF.

3) We don't mind asking legitimite questions, but when you put up a post when you already are pretty certain about the answer without any indication that you think you know the answer, that's pretty trollish. Then to make such a stupid comment about glass not being reflective when falling means you really just want the thread to explode for your own personal satisfaction.

1) But why are they there? To incite and wind up I suspect

2) They have a wise policy

3) Not only do you profess to know my identity but you can read my mind

[Docker]

It's simple math. Didn't really eat up too much of my day. Appreciate your concern though.

What's the next topic you're going to post about that you already agree with most on?

You dont just post here though. I have seen you trolling in LC. So if we add up all the posts per day in all the boards you frequent I wonder what it would add up to?

[Oliver]

So what is the reflection and what caused it?

[realitybites]

You dont just post here though. I have seen you trolling in LC. So if we add up all the posts per day in all the boards you frequent I wonder what it would add up to?
Wow. So in addition to your post-every-4-minutes here, you're juggling other forums as well.

In all honesty, I'm impressed.

[Docker]

So what is the reflection and what caused it?






Probably glass. Either that or bombs.

[Docker]

Wow. So in addition to your post-every-4-minutes here, you're juggling other forums as well.

In all honesty, I'm impressed.

I didn't say when I saw you. But thats the truth isn't it? You are on a myriad of forums. Spreading yourself thin

[Oliver]

Probably glass. Either that or bombs.

Ok. See you in another thread. :D

[Gravy]

I don;t inflame. I haven't said anything truly controversial, in fact I agree with a lot of what you say.

Docker, why do you lie so much? Are you unable or unwilling to stop?

For those who think the 911 Commision was impartial, please read the wikipedia entry on Philip Zelikow.

The Exucutive Director of the commission is an expert in creating "public myths". He also wrote an article in 1998 saying the destruction of the towers would be a new pearl harbour and provide a veritable wish list for the neo cons. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2029893&postcount=1

Pakistan ISI and Atta
This appears to be the biggest smoking gun in the whole 9/11 affair.
The money man, Mahmood, was having a cosy meeting in Washington while thousands of people died in an operation he funded. http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2029812&postcount=1

[Gravy]

You dont just post here though. I have seen you trolling in LC. So if we add up all the posts per day in all the boards you frequent I wonder what it would add up to?LC? I thought you hated that movie.

[realitybites]

I didn't say when I saw you. But thats the truth isn't it? You are on a myriad of forums. Spreading yourself thin
I'm sure you have proof of that. Care to list them? Yeah, I'm on the LC forum. 2 forums hardly constitute a myriad. So what other ones am I a member of and how often do I frequent them?

[Docker]

LC? I thought you hated that movie.

When did I say that? You seem to know more about me than I do. Loose Change is good. I hate to appeal to popularity but it can't be bad with the phenomenon it's become. It's factually not the best but it's well made.

[MRC_Hans]

I get the feeling if I presented a video showing a team of black masked delta force, firing davy crockett nukes at the towers, I would be told its a reflection.Yes? Well try us. Post it!


..... Oh, you were just speculating?

Sheesh.

Hans

[kookbreaker]

1) But why are they there? To incite and wind up I suspect


No. For a group that claims repeatedly that they are 'asking questions', they showed a remarkable inability to handle same said questions. Also, very often one could observe blatant misinformation being passed off as fact at the LC boards. Some folks did go in to try to correct that level of misinformation and were banned.


2) They have a wise policy


But ironic given that they claim to be fighting fascism and claim to be for free speech. Doubly hypocritical, again, is that they claim to be asking questions, but did not want to hear answers. The policy assures a cult-like environment, interesting that you approve.


3) Not only do you profess to know my identity but you can read my mind

I can only go from what you've written, and that doesn't look good for you.

[Docker]

I'm sure you have proof of that. Care to list them? Yeah, I'm on the LC forum. 2 forums hardly constitute a myriad. So what other ones am I a member of and how often do I frequent them?

I bet your on screw loose change. I don't have to prove anything. I'm still waiting for proof that i'm killtown, pdoherty and alex jones.

[kookbreaker]

I bet your on screw loose change. I don't have to prove anything. I'm still waiting for proof that i'm killtown, pdoherty and alex jones.

You've been given proof that your are pdoherty. Its not our fault you hide or ignore it.

[realitybites]

I bet your on screw loose change. I don't have to prove anything. I'm still waiting for proof that i'm killtown, pdoherty and alex jones.
I never accused you of being them. You make a claim, once again, with no proof. But yeah, I'm registered on the SLC forum. Haven't posted there in months, but I am registered. Is 3 a myriad where you come from?

[Oliver]

I bet your on screw loose change. I don't have to prove anything. I'm still waiting for proof that i'm killtown, pdoherty and alex jones.

Post some threads:

Thread: "Am i Killtown?"
Thread: "Am i pdoherty?"
Thread: "Am i Alex?"

ETA:

Thread: "What am I?"
Thread: "Am I?"
Thread: "I am!"

[Docker]

I never accused you of being them. You make a claim, once again, with no proof. But yeah, I'm registered on the SLC forum. Haven't posted there in months, but I am registered. Is 3 a myriad where you come from?

3 is more a handful. I noticed you being soundly trounced by reggie_perrin in LC. He's a clever guy. He should join here

[realitybites]

3 is more a handful. I noticed you being soundly trounced by reggie_perrin in LC. He's a clever guy. He should join here
Reggie, is that you? I notice you both have Alex Jones avatars. His local time is overseas as well.

Hey... just askin' questions.

But if you're not him, you should invite him over here. And please post the link to the thread where he "trounced" me.

[Gravy]

When did I say that? You seem to know more about me than I do. Loose Change is good. I hate to appeal to popularity but it can't be bad with the phenomenon it's become. It's factually not the best but it's well made.Um, Docker, how can a documentary about 9/11 that's "factually not the best" be "good?" Please explain. Shouldn't they have bothered to get the facts about 9/11 right? That doesn't bother you?

[Docker]

Um, Docker, how can a documentary about 9/11 that's "factually not the best" be "good?" Please explain. Shouldn't they have bothered to get the facts about 9/11 right? That doesn't bother you?

Because it specifically requests that the viewer does not take it as fact and do their own research. I don't know of many documentaries that actually encourage research. They are usually just passive affairs, facts thrown at you from a screen.

People here aren't happy with any documentaries. Even BBC ones get questioned here and BBc are the most reliable and unbiased in the world

[jhunter1163]

I'd like to see Reggie Perrin come over here. He'd get waxed the same way the rest of them do. And that's because, at the end of the day, they don't have anything except a mass of coincidence and half-truths and truncated videos and erroneous early reports that they've cobbled together and point at with great pride, saying "Isn't THAT suspicious?"

A mass of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

[realitybites]

People here aren't happy with any documentaries. Even BBC ones get questioned here and BBc are the most reliable and unbiased in the world
That's funny because BBC even admits its own bias (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411846&in_page_id=1770).

[Oliver]

I give you an idea what people are able to see
in a picture or video with a littlebit of fantasy:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745399ef76dee7.jpg

[twinstead]

Because it specifically requests that the viewer does not take it as fact and do their own research.

Well, that's the problem then, because that's exactly what's NOT going to happen. So many things in that documentary are incorrect; it has the effect of convincing people there was a conspiracy based on inaccuracies and even lies.

Many folks simply start believing in a conspiracy theory based on that and other similarly inaccurate films, no questions asked, no research necessary.

THAT'S the problem I have with it.

[negativ]

I admit my first thought was glass falling, but then I heard alex jones in my brain saying "its bombs, its bombs"

There are doctors and medications that can help you with this.

[MRC_Hans]

Go to 7:50 in this video and watch the sky lobby on the north tower. about 20 stories down from impact zone.

You can clearly see small flashes that increase in size

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370762387415552903&q=bob+and+bri

I see two flashes at different hights, consistent with something falling.

What it is?

How should I know? That particular part of the film has a rasolution on the face of the tower of about ten feet per pixel. Guesses?

Sunlight reflecting in some falling object(s).
Sunflashes from something else being reflected from the windows of the tower.
People inside the tower taking pictures with flash.
Reflections of people in nearby buildings taking pictures with flash.
Something falling and exploding.
Something exploding inside the tower.

Why? What is your point? Are you saying that these firecracker-size flashes prove the tower was blown up? Are you saying that an impacting airliner could not bring the towers down, but a few tiny detonations, if that's what they are ......

nah, I refuse to think that's what you're saying.

... So, what are you saying?

Hans

[Skibum]

That's funny because BBC even admits its own bias (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411846&in_page_id=1770).

But notice he said BBc not BBC, stop misinterpreting what he says. :D

[MRC_Hans]

I only saw that video for the first time just now. I admit my first thought was glass falling, but then I heard alex jones in my brain saying "its bombs, its bombs"

See my sig.

[geni]

I get the feeling if I presented a video showing a team of black masked delta force, firing davy crockett nukes at the towers, I would be told its a reflection.

Considering the amount of radition they kick out the denitation of a M-388 would have been fairly obvious. The death of anyone within 400 meters of the device would be fairly easy to spot.

[firecoins]

When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet?
The last time I looked at the twin towers on 9/11 . Before 9/11 the glass was stationary but glass doesn't lose it ability to reflect light due to movement. Nothing does.

[Docker]

The last time I looked at the twin towers on 9/11 . Before 9/11 the glass was stationary but glass doesn't lose it ability to reflect light due to movement. Nothing does.

Why was it falling?

[Docker]

The last time I looked at the twin towers on 9/11 . Before 9/11 the glass was stationary but glass doesn't lose it ability to reflect light due to movement. Nothing does.

When did I claim that, straw dude?

[kookbreaker]

Why was it falling?

You were aware of the events of that day, yes?

This is why you get called a troll.

[realitybites]

Why was it falling?
Please tell me that's meant as a joke....

[kookbreaker]

When did I claim that, straw dude?

"When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet? " -Docker

You're welcome.

[Docker]

That's funny because BBC even admits its own bias (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411846&in_page_id=1770).

Your life is getting emptier since you immediately put "BBC biased" into google just to get one over me. Very, very sad.

[Docker]

You were aware of the events of that day, yes?

This is why you get called a troll.

No idiot, i asked firecoins why the glass was falling before 9/11

And I never claimed it didn't reflect. I said when was the last time he saw it.

[Skibum]

Your life is getting emptier since you immediately put "BBC biased" into google just to get one over me. Very, very sad.

Or perhaps he recalled an article he read from 4 days ago.

[Docker]

Or perhaps he recalled an article he read from 4 days ago.

Doubtful.

[snagswolf]

I get the feeling if I presented a video showing a team of black masked delta force, firing davy crockett nukes at the towers, I would be told its a reflection.
Why do the 9/11 kooks always make claims like this?

Because what they're really saying is, "If I gave you real evidence you wouldn't believe it."

[realitybites]

Your life is getting emptier since you immediately put "BBC biased" into google just to get one over me. Very, very sad.
I'm sorry if you're not aware of news that comes out of your neck of the woods.

[kookbreaker]

No idiot, i asked firecoins why the glass was falling before 9/11

Which he never said:

"The last time I looked at the twin towers on 9/11 . Before 9/11 the glass was stationary but glass doesn't lose it ability to reflect light due to movement. Nothing does." -Firecoins.

And I never claimed it didn't reflect. I said when was the last time he saw it.[/QUOTE]

"When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet? "

The implication is pretty obvious: You seem to think that sunlight reflecting off the glass would not happen when the glass is falling. You were wrong and simply don't want to own up to it.

[Docker]

I'm afraid you fellows have left me no choice. I have been forced to put realitybites and kookbreaker on ignore. I had to do this as I already have too many children to deal with. This may be reviewed in future if I see them behave.

[realitybites]

Doubtful.
Pyschic now? Best hurry up and claim that 1 million dollar prize.

[Skibum]

Doubtful.

Why, I happened to have read it on monday.

[Docker]

Which he never said:

"The last time I looked at the twin towers on 9/11 . Before 9/11 the glass was stationary but glass doesn't lose it ability to reflect light due to movement. Nothing does." -Firecoins.

And I never claimed it didn't reflect. I said when was the last time he saw it.

"When was the last time you saw sunlight reflecting off glass falling 1300 feet? "

The implication is pretty obvious: You seem to think that sunlight reflecting off the glass would not happen when the glass is falling. You were wrong and simply don't want to own up to it.[/quote]

Firecoins edited his post you dimwit. Only the first line was in when I saw it

It's like a kindergarten tea party here

[realitybites]

I'm afraid you fellows have left me no choice. I have been forced to put realitybites and kookbreaker on ignore. I had to do this as I already have too many children to deal with. This may be reviewed in future if I see them behave.
Because I called you on something? Awwww.

But do let us know how you can see us behave when you can't see us post.

Psychic powers GO!

[kookbreaker]

Why do the 9/11 kooks always make claims like this?

Because what they're really saying is, "If I gave you real evidence you wouldn't believe it."

Its a variation on 'Sour Grapes'. It also become a convenient excuse for the CT do avoid doing real work or research. Because if they did those nasty skeptics 'would just deny it'. So they have a convenient excuse for just repeating the same old claptrap.

[kookbreaker]

I'm afraid you fellows have left me no choice. I have been forced to put realitybites and kookbreaker on ignore. I had to do this as I already have too many children to deal with. This may be reviewed in future if I see them behave.

Pwah! Here we go again.

In the vernacular of youth, you got PWNED.

[Gravy]

Because it specifically requests that the viewer does not take it as fact and do their own research.That means it's okay for their statements of fact to be wrong? That excuses them from fact-checking? I counted 115 erroneous statements resulting in 81 errors of fact in LC2. Since then I've found more. I'm not talking about matters of opinion, Docker, but matters of fact. This is a movie that I've personally heard its creators describe as "100% true."

And after they've had a chance to correct those errors?

"We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves." – Korey Rowe http://tinyurl.com/qruh7

From the Loose Change DVD packaging and advertising:

"What you will see inside will prove without a shadow of doubt that everything you know about 9/11 is a complete fabrication."

Docker, please do not support such complete horsecrap. These creeps don't give a damn about the truth.

[snagswolf]

Why was it falling?
Possibly someone breaking a window because they were choking on smoke? Or getting ready to jump?

[kookbreaker]

Because I called you on something? Awwww.
[QUOTE]

I didn't even do that, I just called him out on the things he said and he had a hissyfit.

[QUOTE]
But do let us know how you can see us behave when you can't see us post.


You just know he's clicking the 'view post' button.

Hi Docker! Are you happy with the responses you got to your little tantrum?

[Docker]

Because I called you on something? Awwww.

But do let us know how you can see us behave when you can't see us post.

Psychic powers GO!

I will suspend ignore at the end of your probationary period and guage any improvement in your behavour.

What did you call me? Your on ignore because you google every statement I make. I think it's wise to break the stalker/victim relationship early.

[kookbreaker]

Firecoins edited his post you dimwit. Only the first line was in when I saw it


Not true. There's no edit mark which shows up if the post has modified after being viewed.

You lied. Again.

[Docker]

That means it's okay for their statements of fact to be wrong? That excuses them from fact-checking? I counted 115 erroneous statements resulting in 81 errors of fact in LC2. Since then I've found more. I'm not talking about matters of opinion, Docker, but matters of fact. This is a movie that I've personally heard its creators describe as "100% true."

And after they've had a chance to correct those errors?

"We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves." – Korey Rowe http://tinyurl.com/qruh7

From the Loose Change DVD packaging and advertising:

"What you will see inside will prove without a shadow of doubt that everything you know about 9/11 is a complete fabrication."

Docker, please do not support such complete horsecrap. These creeps don't give a damn about the truth.

They are doing it to get you to debunk it. Why give them such credence?

Dont give me this "i'm protecting people from lies" rubbish because you know damn well your group cant stop a film thats had 30million views on google. I really think your wasting your time. They will release final cut and another 30million will believe every word.

[Gravy]

Why was it falling?You get one guess before the laughing dog comes out again. Just so you know, the laughing dog is reserved for special occasions. Please think hard, and be honest.

[Docker]

Not true. There's no edit mark which shows up if the post has modified after being viewed.

You lied. Again.

Ask him. Ignore button will be pressed in 30 seconds.

[Docker]

You get one guess before the laughing dog comes out again. Just so you know, the laughing dog is reserved for special occasions. Please think hard, and be honest.

right gravy if your that stupid your going on ignore too

[realitybites]

I will suspend ignore at the end of your probationary period and guage any improvement in your behavour.

What did you call me? Your on ignore because you google every statement I make. I think it's wise to break the stalker/victim relationship early.
I called you on the BBC bias thing. Tell ya' what. You Google "BBC bias" and show me what page the article I linked to is on.

The fact is, it was news a couple days ago, as has already been pointed out.

[Gravy]

They will release final cut and another 30million will believe every word.In that case they will have completely failed in their mission to get people to not take their word and do their own research. That's where I come in.

Sorry, Dockerty, but thousands of emails tell me that debunking crap like Loose Change is well worth it.

It's about 9/11, Docker. Don't you give a damn?

[Matthew Best]

How's your arm feeling, Docker?

[Docker]

Wheres firecoins? Tell the trouble causing oaf not to edit his posts again.

[kookbreaker]

Ask him. Ignore button will be pressed in 30 seconds.

I won't ask him since you are the one lying.

[Oliver]

right gravy if your that stupid your going on ignore too

Will you spare me? :confused:

[Gravy]

right gravy if your that stupid your going on ignore tooNo, really, tell us that you CAN think of a reason that glass would be falling.

Please?

[Docker]

In that case they will have completely failed in their mission to get people to not take their word and do their own research. That's where I come in.

Sorry, Dockerty, but thousands of emails tell me that debunking crap like Loose Change is well worth it.

It's about 9/11, Docker. Don't you give a damn?

I certainly do. As I said before, the idea of those fireman climbing 70 flights of stairs and never coming out is terrible.

Which is why the idea that government may be involved is so serious that it can't be dismissed.

[kookbreaker]

Wheres firecoins? Tell the trouble causing oaf not to edit his posts again.

Why do you blame others for the lies you tell?

When you edit a post after it has been read by someone, it gets tagged with an 'edit by...' near the bottom. You have the option of putting in a reason, but leaving it blank will not make the mark go away. There is no such mark on firecoins post and you claimed he edited his post. Therefore you are the one lying.

[Gravy]

Will you spare me? :confused:You know how this works, Oliver. If I go, you go with me.

[kookbreaker]

You know how this works, Oliver. If I go, you go with me.

Then he'll get his count up to 35 ignored people and brag about that as if it were an accomplishment.

[Docker]

No, really, tell us that you CAN think of a reason that glass would be falling.

Please?

Right gravy. I'll say this slowly. When I saw firecoins post it said "last time I saw it was before 911" thats all i said so I meant why was it falling before 911?

He then went and edited his post, probably deliberately to make me look a dick

[Gravy]

I certainly do. As I said before, the idea of those fireman climbing 70 flights of stairs and never coming out is terrible.

Which is why the idea that government may be involved is so serious that it can't be dismissed.
Which is why you and Loose Change should care enough to check your facts.

So why don't you care enough to do that?

[Docker]

Admit you fear ignore. The idea that I can spout my theories and I can't see your replies. I bet it worsens your already chronic OCD sympyoms.

[kookbreaker]

Admit you fear ignore. The idea that I can spout my theories and I can't see your replies. I bet it worsens your already chronic OCD sympyoms.


You're not very good at this, are you?

[Pardalis]

What's a troll?http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8886453f7cdda25eb.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2210)

[kookbreaker]

He then went and edited his post, probably deliberately to make me look a dick

No evidence of editing where there should be. Stop lying.

[Docker]

Which is why you and Loose Change should care enough to check your facts.

So why don't you care enough to do that?

It's not what most people are used to doing. Seriously. You don't watch a TV Documentary then rush off to check the facts.

The internet is the problem. Anyone can make and distribute them, whereas before only journalists could.

[realitybites]

Admit you fear ignore. The idea that I can spout my theories and I can't see your replies. I bet it worsens your already chronic OCD sympyoms.
What theories?!!?

You won't even suggest why you think the glass is falling, you 'tard.

[Docker]

My suspicions about 9/11 aren't from a documentary.

[Oliver]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8886453f7cdda25eb.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2210)

*lol* You shouldn´t compare trolls to gnomes. Trolls may be very annoyed about it. :D

[Gravy]

Right gravy. I'll say this slowly. When I saw firecoins post it said "last time I saw it was before 911" thats all i said so I meant why was it falling before 911?

He then went and edited his post, probably deliberately to make me look a dickYet another lie from Docker. I ask you again: why do you lie constantly? Is it that you cannot, or will not, stop lying? Well, you probably wouldn't give an honest answer to that.

Firecoins made his post at 10:27. Yours was at 10:33. There is no "Last edited" tag below his post, as there would be if he had edited it. You would know that, but you put kookbreaker on ignore.

Docker: stop lying.

[Docker]

Its better now the kids are on ignore. Children should be seen and not heard.

[kookbreaker]

Firecoins made his post at 10:27. Yours was at 10:33. There is no "Last edited" tag below his post, as there would be if he had edited it. You would know that, but you put kookbreaker on ignore.


I told him that before he put me on ignore. In fact, its the reason he put me on ignore.

Lies a lot, doesn't he?

[Docker]

Yet another lie from Docker. I ask you again: why do you lie constantly? Is it that you cannot, or will not, stop lying? Well, you probably wouldn't give an honest answer to that.

Firecoins made his post at 10:27. Yours was at 10:33. There is no "Last edited" tag below his post, as there would be if he had edited it. You would know that, but you put kookbreaker on ignore.

Docker: stop lying.

you were going to be spared but i'm afraid its ignoreville for you.

[Gravy]

It's not what most people are used to doing. Seriously. You don't watch a TV Documentary then rush off to check the facts.Most people are not used to checking facts. Therefore, the creators of Loose Change should not be compelled to, and neither should you.

Of course. Why bother? It's only a video that accuses the US government in the direct involvement of the murder of nearly 3,000 Americans.

Why bother checking?

p.s. I know you're peeking!

[Matthew Best]

He then went and edited his post, probably deliberately to make me look a dick

No-one needs to edit any posts to do that!

[realitybites]

Haha... I wonder.

If we all put Docker on ignore, what would happen?

I can't be certain, but I'm sure it involves mysterious falling glass and half-burnt squad cars. Of course, if it turns out that's not the case, I'll simply state I never claimed those things.

[tsig]

Your life is getting emptier since you immediately put "BBC biased" into google just to get one over me. Very, very sad.

You must work as a procectionist.

[Gravy]

you were going to be spared but i'm afraid its ignoreville for you.I'd much rather be in Ignoreville than Christopheraville.

[uk_dave]

Haha... I wonder.

If we all put Docker on ignore, what would happen?

I can't be certain, but I'm sure it involves mysterious falling glass and half-burnt squad cars. Of course, if it turns out that's not the case, I'll simply state I never claimed those things.

I predict another pdoherty meltdown, another banning, and another attempt to circumvent the ban.

Coz he loves it here so much...and the medication is wearing off.

[Gravy]

I thought it was new. I can't be bothered searching before every postThread. You started a thread. You can be bothered to search before doing that.

[snagswolf]

Admit you fear ignore. The idea that I can spout my theories and I can't see your replies. I bet it worsens your already chronic OCD sympyoms.
Fear ignore? :D

Anyone attempting to present facts to you 9/11 conspiracy nuts is 'put on ignore', whether there's a button around for that purpose or not.

[Matthew Best]

you know damn well your group cant stop a film thats had 30million views on google.

Where did you get the figure of 30 million from, Docker?

I only ask because the only time I've seen it previously was in this forum from another poster whose name you may recognise - someone called pdoherty.

Obviously you both must have seen it in the same place, but could you point that place out to me, please?

[Dog Town]

I predict another pdoherty meltdown, another banning, and another attempt to circumvent the ban.

Coz he loves it here so much...

PD'oh...I mean, not just pants, are you on a proxy? If so why?

[CptColumbo]

For a guy who keeps putting people on ignore, you seem to still be reading their posts.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

For a guy who keeps putting people on ignore, you seem to still be reading their posts.

This is not unique behavior either.

[CptColumbo]

This is not unique behavior either.

As I've written before, he/she is very boring. And I'll add predictable.

[Dog Town]

This is rather interesting, two post of PD'oh from LC
Hi people, just joined the forum

I have been in the jref forums up till now but they IP banned me because I was destroying them (especially gravy)

if anyone knows how i can get round that ban let me know

That was posted right before "someone" appeared here. Just one more...
Check this thread at JREF where Docker gets a JREFer, Garb, to admit hes lying about having read the NIST report. Its class.

Verry odd these we're PD'oh's only posts at LC. As we all have seen he loves to post a ton here, can't seem to stop rapid posting. He was also fanatical at SLC, till "someone" showed up here. Hmmmm...

[Bell]

http://forums.randi.org/search.php?searchid=491062

Threads started by Ducker, aka Alex Jones' gay lover, aka P D'oh: 5.

Threads (soon to be) abandoned by Ducker, aka Alex Jones' gay lover, aka P D'oh: 5.

[tableplay]

What's a troll?

a fearsome member of a mythical anthropomorph race from Scandinavia

[Arus808]

or in forum/bbs/irc terms
One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

wow, sounds like some resident (recent) members to this fine forum.

[Garb]

What's a troll?

You. And speaking of which, you mind taking off my quotes which you so rudely misinterpreted and put completely out of context?

[uk_dave]

This is rather interesting, two post of PD'oh from LC


That was posted right before "someone" appeared here. Just one more...


Verry odd these we're PD'oh's only posts at LC. As we all have seen he loves to post a ton here, can't seem to stop rapid posting. He was also fanatical at SLC, till "someone" showed up here. Hmmmm...


I think it's pretty obvious that docker is pdoherty....same m.o., multiple threads, inability to debate, penchant for the iggy button, and is from uk.

Interestingly, he disappeared from this site at around 5:30pm uk time.

In 24 hr clock 5:30pm is 17:30.... 1+7+3= 11... 7+3-1=9.... need I say more?

[Bell]

This is rather interesting, two post of PD'oh from LC


That was posted right before "someone" appeared here. Just one more...


Verry odd these we're PD'oh's only posts at LC. As we all have seen he loves to post a ton here, can't seem to stop rapid posting. He was also fanatical at SLC, till "someone" showed up here. Hmmmm...

Thanks Dog Town. I knew I read that post somewhere. If it wasn't for the horrendous choice of colors on the LC board, I might have tried and look for it, as I also wanted to post it here.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I think it's pretty obvious that docker is pdoherty....same m.o., multiple threads, inability to debate, penchant for the iggy button, and is from uk.

Interestingly, he disappeared from this site at around 5:30pm uk time.

In 24 hr clock 5:30pm is 17:30.... 1+7+3= 11... 7+3-1=9.... need I say more?

Now, now. Let's not confuse correlation for causation. It is completely possible that it is coincidence that Docker's registration date is 24-hrs after pdoherty's ban date.

[beachnut]

Go to 7:50 in this video and watch the sky lobby on the north tower. about 20 stories down from impact zone.

You can clearly see small flashes that increase in size

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370762387415552903&q=bob+and+bri

it was my brother breaking into the stock office where he day traded

he used C4 to blast the window out and you missed his rappel into the window from three floors up and to the side.

I looked and the camera is too far away to catch his body swing across

he had to fix some records and he was waiting for a distraction so he could do his sneaky deed, not since Nixon has a break in had a better cover!

[beachnut]

How is my presence here any different to you people going to LC forums and trying to get yoursef banned, as I have seen several JREFers bragging about today?

fact, it is not glass, it is bragging, bragging made the flashes

good job

[Spektator]

....

He then went and edited his post, probably deliberately to make me look a dick


Any editing of his post would be superfluous to requirements.

[steve s]

This may or may not be relevant. But I was in Chicago last month and I saw this phenomenon outside my hotel window. The sunlight was reflecting off a nearby office building and shining onto this brick building. It just shows how powerful reflected sunlight can be.

http://www.photochimps.com/gallery/data/500/grafitti.jpg

Steve S.

[Skibum]

Wow, Thats a cool photo.

Makes it look like the brick is on fire.

[firecoins]

anyone who had seen the WTC in the morning saw reflected sunshine. 9/11/01 was Tuesday moring. It was a clear day. No chance at all of the sun reflecting off of it.:rolleyes:

[Docker]

anyone who had seen the WTC in the morning saw reflected sunshine. 9/11/01 was Tuesday moring. It was a clear day. No chance at all of the sun reflecting off of it.:rolleyes:

Firecoins the editing of your post completely dropped me in it. I presume it was deliberate.

[Pardalis]

234 posts a day... Man, do you have a life?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Firecoins the editing of your post completely dropped me in it. I presume it was deliberate.

Paranoid much?

[gumboot]

234 posts a day... Man, do you have a life?


Allowing 6 hrs a day for sleeping and food, that's a post every 4 1/2 minutes. Impressive!

-Gumboot

[Docker]

Paranoid much?

Thats rich for people who think i'm 4 different people.

[Pardalis]

Thats rich for people who think i'm 4 different people.

Well, you do post 230+ posts a day, maybe you are.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Well, you do post 230+ posts a day, maybe you are.

CTist now doing like powerlevelers in WoW and hiring people to play accounts 24/7? Hrm, wonder what the CTist equivalent of goldfarming is.

[Docker]

CTist now doing like powerlevelers in WoW and hiring people to play accounts 24/7? Hrm, wonder what the CTist equivalent of goldfarming is.

So the paranoia now stretches to me being a team of four people. Hold on thats a conspiracy theory you nut.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So the paranoia now stretches to me being a team of four people. Hold on thats a conspiracy theory you nut.

You've admitted you don't leave in the US; I'm guessing China.

[beachnut]

the flash was docker

[Mince]

Allowing 6 hrs a day for sleeping and food, that's a post every 4 1/2 minutes. Impressive!

-Gumboot


234 posts/day.

You allowed 6 hours for sleep and miscellany. So his "posting day" consists of 18 hours. So:

1 day = 18 hours

1 hour = 60 minutes

If my dimensional analysis isn't too rusty:

234 posts/day * 1 day/18 hours = 13.00 posts/hour

13.00 posts/hour * 1 hour/60 minutes = 0.22 posts/minute

1/0.22 = 1 post every 4.62 minutes. (the figure you calculated above).

But this figure means that he posted, on average, every 4.62 minutes for 18 hours. It means he spent 18 hours per day posting, and that's just on this message board. But I don't think he spent 18 hours posting. It seems inhuman. Maybe 8-10 hours (even this figure is extreme). If we use 9 hours total posting time, he made 1 post every 2.31 minutes. 4-5 hours total time = 1 post every 1.16 minutes. So let's see: he read all of the posts addressed to him, maybe did a little research and made thoughtful replies every 1.16-4.62 minutes? Methinks not. This is empirical proof he was a spammer.

[gumboot]

So let's see: he read all of the posts addressed to him, maybe did a little research and made thoughtful replies every 1.16-4.62 minutes? Methinks not. This is empirical proof he was a spammer.

Hrm...

One post every 1.16 minutes?

I note the forums make you wait 60 seconds between postings.

In other words he just posted as many posts as he could, content be dammed.

-Gumboot

[Mince]

Hrm...



I note the forums make you wait 60 seconds between postings.



-Gumboot

Ha! I didn't even think of the 60 second rule. So, we can now confidently state his lower bound posting time per day. Or, the minimum amount of time per day he spent posting on this forum.

At max, 1 post/1 minute

234 posts/day in the least equals 234 minutes/day spent posting.

234 minutes * 1 hour/60 minutes = 3.9 hours.

So, he spent at least 3 hours 54 minutes per day posting here. And that's pure posting time. This is neglecting the time needed to read other posts, formulate a thoughtful reply (although it seems this value equals 0), construct the posts, lag, etc.

What's the significance. Probably nothing. But it is cool to calculate this stuff.


(I'm lame, I know. I'll be the first and last person to admit that.)

[Big Al]

Docker,

WHY won't you say what you implied by mentioning the flashes if you really only thought they were falling glass?

There are any number of reasons why that might happen - for one, 800 degree aviation fuel fires (which you can see in the footage) could shatter windows pretty well. Windows shattered by the aircraft impact falling from softened window frames. The frames themselves!

What's the big thesis? Why don't you spell it out for us poor dumb morons instead of hitting the Ignore button every few minutes?

[RenaissanceBiker]

What's a troll?

Look in a highly reflective piece of glass.

[carlvs]

CTist now doing like powerlevelers in WoW and hiring people to play accounts 24/7? Hrm, wonder what the CTist equivalent of goldfarming is.

Well, considering that the LC forums are now closed to public scrutiny (I wonder what they are so afraid of that you have to register to even view their posts,) I would not be surprised if it was found out that they are sharing login info to this site...

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Well, considering that the LC forums are now closed to public scrutiny (I wonder what they are so afraid of that you have to register to even view their posts,) I would not be surprised if it was found out that they are sharing login info to this site...

I would like to revise my idea he resides in China and state instead he resides in N. Korea; and is part of the Pyongyang (sp?) propaganda machine attempting to undermine the Great United States(tm)*











* btw, if you couldn't tell, this line of reasoning has been an act of satire (I'm guessing there are CTist viewers not bright enough to pick up on that)

[njslim]

Naw - I say its a new type of therapy at the local mental hospital - gave
the patient a computer and access to the internet so can type out all
their paranoid delusions and thus be cured. Someone should inform them its
not working

[alexi_drago]

The flashes and dust clouds are the entry and exit signatures made by time travelling agents from a future evil government sent back to plant the explosives that brought down the towers, the irony of it all though is that the future government will be voted in after the CTers convince the nation that it is the current government that is evil (using the CTers in such a way was their evil plan to get into power all along). I'll bet they'll feel pretty damn stupid when that happens.

Or maybe it was just falling glass but they're gonna feel pretty stupid whatever.

[Belz...]

Because [LC] specifically requests that the viewer does not take it as fact and do their own research.

"What could do this ?" "A cruise missile."

It doesn't state things as fact ?

[Belz...]

Firecoins the editing of your post completely dropped me in it. I presume it was deliberate.

Wait. Let ME try:

THERE. WAS. NO. "EDITED BY". TAG.

[Belz...]

the flash was docker

You think we can ACTUALLY see his mind snapping ?

[Belz...]

Look in a highly reflective piece of glass.

Preferably one that's not falling.