Time for Docker to answer questions

[Garb]

Alright Docker, I've had enough of you evading questions on your opinion of 9/11. Why don't you take a stance instead of attacking every single source that agrees with the original story just because it agrees with the original story.


How did the Twin Towers fall?

Were the phone calls on flight 93 fake?

Was WTC 7 demolished?

Do you believe Osama was the reason for 9/11?

Was the Pentagon hit by a plane?

Did flgiht 93 crash in Shanskville?

Do you believe the highjackers are still alive?


If anyone else (besides Docker) has questions they'd like to ask, please put them here.

[Docker]

Alright Docker, I've had enough of you evading questions on your opinion of 9/11. Why don't you take a stance instead of attacking every single source that agrees with the original story just because it agrees with the original story.


How did the Twin Towers fall?

Were the phone calls on flight 93 fake?

Was WTC 7 pulled?

Do you believe Osama was the reason for 9/11?

Was the Pentagon hit by a plane?

Did flgiht 93 crash in Shanskville?

Do you believe the highjackers are still alive?


If anyone else (besides Docker) has questions they'd like to ask, please put them here.

Please number the questions and I will address them

[Skibum]

What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

[Garb]

Please number the questions and I will address them

How bout you just answer the questions. It is a simple thing I am asking of you.

[Anti-sophist]

1. How did the Twin Towers fall?

2. Were the phone calls on flight 93 fake?

3. Was WTC 7 pulled?

4. Do you believe Osama was the reason for 9/11?

5. Was the Pentagon hit by a plane?

6. Did flgiht 93 crash in Shanskville?

7. Do you believe the highjackers are still alive?

[Bell]

From one of the abandoned threads:

Check out this video of Perry Logan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F1TtDFXQE

Then I ask:

Why did you post that?
Why do you want us to check it out?

No reply to that. But what do we get from you?

Alex Jones said today that another plane was meant to hit building 7. Thats why it was rigged with explosives.

Thus I say:

Do you believe this claim?

And also answer my other two questions.

[Docker]

Lazy sod:

Right:


How did the Twin Towers fall? I dont know

Were the phone calls on flight 93 fake? No

Was WTC 7 pulled? I dont know

Do you believe Osama was the reason for 9/11? He was involved in 9/11, but in which capacity I dont know

Was the Pentagon hit by a plane? Yes

Did flgiht 93 crash in Shanskville? Yes

Do you believe the highjackers are still alive? No

[Bell]

I expect Piggy to post in this thread pretty soon.

[beachnut]

Please number the questions and I will address them

you could have numbered them for your fellown posters in your reply

thanks

number 1

[Garb]

Can you make an assumption? If you think Osama is involved, why do you attack those who believe the same thing?


And you must possibly have a reason for why the towers collapsed. If not then there is no reason for you to debate anyone on the subject.

[bonavada]

What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?


african or european?

BV

[Garb]

Same thing with WTC 7. If you don't have an opinion on it then don't bother discussing it with anyone here.

[Garb]

New question:


Do you believe the Government is guilty of the atrocities of 9/11? (Meaning, did they do it?)

Do you agree with Alex Jone's views?

Do you agree with the views of the essay you created a thread about?

[Docker]

Can you make an assumption? If you think Osama is involved, why do you attack those who believe the same thing?


And you must possibly have a reason for why the towers collapsed. If not then there is no reason for you to debate anyone on the subject.

Im not an engineer

I'm interested in facts. Thanks for admitting that your beliefs are assumptions.

I said osama was involved, not necessarily as a sole mastermind that hates america.

[Redtail]

african or european?

BV

<BLEEP!> I was late.:(

[Garb]

Im not an engineer

I'm interested in facts. Thanks for admitting that your beliefs are assumptions.

I said osama was involved, not necessarily as a sole mastermind that hates america.

Never did admit that. But since you argue about the twin towers I assumed that you must have an opinion on how. Apparently you don't, therefor none of what you say on the subject matters does it?

[Wowbagger]

Please number the questions and I will address themOoof! That sounds like Argument from Delimitation!

I don't see how Garb can refute that!

I suggest, next time, you make it even easier for him to parse, by encasing your questions in XML.

[Docker]

New question:


Do you believe the Government is guilty of the atrocities of 9/11? (Meaning, did they do it?)

Do you agree with Alex Jone's views?

Do you agree with the views of the essay you created a thread about?

1) I don't know

2) On what?

3) Yes, in so far as how it portrays debunkers

[Bell]

Docker, I noticed you skipped my questions?

[Docker]

Never did admit that. But since you argue about the twin towers I assumed that you must have an opinion on how. Apparently you don't, therefor none of what you say on the subject matters does it?

So my views don't matter because I havent reached an uninformed conclusion like you?

Yes that makes sense lol

[dirtywick]

For what purpose did you register on this forum?

[Redtail]

So my views don't matter because I havent reached an uninformed conclusion like you?

Yes that makes sense lol

Uninformed how? Who would inform him?

[Garb]

So my views don't matter because I havent reached an uninformed conclusion like you?

Yes that makes sense lol

They don't matter because you attack without any facts to refute them. Yes. And my conclusions are informed, that's why I make my opinions and talk about the things that I have been informed of.

[Docker]

Alright Docker, I've had enough of you evading questions on your opinion of 9/11. Why don't you take a stance instead of attacking every single source that agrees with the original story just because it agrees with the original story.


How did the Twin Towers fall?

Were the phone calls on flight 93 fake?

Was WTC 7 pulled?

Do you believe Osama was the reason for 9/11?

Was the Pentagon hit by a plane?

Did flgiht 93 crash in Shanskville?

Do you believe the highjackers are still alive?


If anyone else (besides Docker) has questions they'd like to ask, please put them here.

Interesting you use the word pulled. So you agree pulled means demolished?

[Garb]

Interesting you use the word pulled. So you agree pulled means demolished?

Do you agree that?

[Docker]

They don't matter because you attack without any facts to refute them. Yes. And my conclusions are informed, that's why I make my opinions and talk about the things that I have been informed of.

Like when you lied about reading the NIST report.

[Docker]

Do you agree that?

Enough said. So according to garb pulled means demolished. Now we are getting somewhere?

[Redtail]

From Labyrinth:

Dance magic Dance....

[Garb]

Like when you lied about reading the NIST report.

I read what was important to the discussion. No I did not read all of it, yet your sig implies that I said I did.

[Bell]

I lost count on how many times I have posted these questions before. Would you answer the freaking questions allready, Docker?

Check out this video of Perry Logan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F1TtDFXQE

Then I ask:

Why did you post that?
Why do you want us to check it out?

No reply to that. But what do we get from you?

Alex Jones said today that another plane was meant to hit building 7. Thats why it was rigged with explosives.

Thus I say:

Do you believe this claim?

And also answer my other two questions.

[Garb]

Enough said. So according to garb pulled means demolished. Now we are getting somewhere?

Nothing said. I asked a simple question. Answer it Docker.

[Docker]

I read what was important to the discussion. No I did not read all of it, yet your sig implies that I said I did.

Please cite the parts you read and how they are relevant.

[Docker]

Nothing said. I asked a simple question. Answer it Docker.No I dont agree. I think pull means drag down with cables.

[Redtail]

Enough said. So according to garb pulled means demolished. Now we are getting somewhere?

Who said it didn't?

No I dont agree. I think pull means drag down with cables.

Would demolition crews do it?

[Garb]

Please cite the parts you read and how they are relevant.

Answer my questions. That is the point of this thread. I am not the one answering your questions, you are the one to answer mine.

[beachnut]

Like when you lied about reading the NIST report.

you sure are an idiot

he read the NIST report

is it 10,000 pages?

did he read all 10,000 pages? he said no

and your source for the 10,000 pages?

you seem so sloopy for trying to be so exact

gee you finished the answers really fast

short and quick

so how many pages has NIST published on the WTC? just 10,000?

[Docker]

Who said it didn't?

Popular Mechanics shill boys

[Bell]

I lost count on how many times I have posted these questions before. Would you answer the freaking questions allready, Docker?

Check out this video of Perry Logan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F1TtDFXQE

Then I ask:

Why did you post that?
Why do you want us to check it out?

No reply to that. But what do we get from you?

Alex Jones said today that another plane was meant to hit building 7. Thats why it was rigged with explosives.

Thus I say:

Do you believe this claim?

And also answer my other two questions.

[Garb]

No I dont agree. I think pull means drag down with cables.

Now do you believe WTC 7 was demolished?

[Docker]

you sure are an idiot

he read the NIST report

is it 10,000 pages?

did he read all 10,000 pages? he said no

and your source for the 10,000 pages?

you seem so sloopy for trying to be so exact

gee you finished the answers really fast

short and quick

so how many pages has NIST published on the WTC? just 10,000?


"
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released a total of 43 draft reports documenting the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster. These reports include the draft summary report on the Investigation of the WTC Towers, 8 project reports, and 34 supporting technical topic reports. Fifteen reports, including three project reports, were released on April 5, 2005.
These reports are being issued in draft form with a six-week period for public comment. Public comments will be accepted during the period commencing June 23rd and ending at 5 p.m. EDT on August 4th.
The public is welcome to comment on any of the 43 draft reports issued by NIST, totaling about 10,000 pages. NIST especially encourages public comment on the approximately 200-page draft summary report, which contains the principal findings and recommendations for changes to codes, standards, and practices. NIST will consider all comments received from the public on the 43 draft reports before they are issued in final form."






Source: http://wtc.nist.gov/comments_submission.htm

[Docker]

Now do you believe WTC 7 was demolished?

I don't know. I'm waiting for the NIST report on it. No doubt we will discuss that in future and you can pretend you read it.

[Anti-sophist]

How did the Twin Towers fall? I dont know
Were the phone calls on flight 93 fake? No
Was WTC 7 pulled? I dont know
Do you believe Osama was the reason for 9/11? He was involved in 9/11, but in which capacity I dont know
Was the Pentagon hit by a plane? Yes
Did flgiht 93 crash in Shanskville? Yes
Do you believe the highjackers are still alive? No

You are the worst conspiracy theorist ever.

[Redtail]

Popular Mechanics shill boys

Name calling now? Why so upset?

[Docker]

Answer my questions. That is the point of this thread. I am not the one answering your questions, you are the one to answer mine.

I have answered every question. Your thread fell a bit flat really.

[Garb]

I don't know. I'm waiting for the NIST report on it. No doubt we will discuss that in future and you can pretend you read it.

Another idiotic attack. You keep on getting better and better.


Care to answer the other questions in this thread or not?

[Docker]

Name calling now? Why so upset?

It's called humour. I know thats hard for you to understand.

[Bell]

I lost count on how many times I have posted these questions before. Would you answer the freaking questions allready, Docker?

Check out this video of Perry Logan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F1TtDFXQE

Then I ask:

Why did you post that?
Why do you want us to check it out?

No reply to that. But what do we get from you?

Alex Jones said today that another plane was meant to hit building 7. Thats why it was rigged with explosives.

Thus I say:

Do you believe this claim?

And also answer my other two questions.

[Docker]

Another idiotic attack. You keep on getting better and better.


Care to answer the other questions in this thread or not?

Please list the questions I haven't answered

[Garb]

Thats why it was rigged with explosives.

Do you believe this?

[dirtywick]

For what purpose did you register at this forum?

[Redtail]

I have answered every question. Your thread fell a bit flat really.

You'll continue to? Good! Where on the FBI site does it say they have no hard evidence on Bin Laden?

[Bell]

Please list the questions I haven't answered

I lost count on how many times I have posted these questions before. Would you answer the freaking questions allready, Docker?

Check out this video of Perry Logan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F1TtDFXQE

Then I ask:

Why did you post that?
Why do you want us to check it out?

No reply to that. But what do we get from you?

Alex Jones said today that another plane was meant to hit building 7. Thats why it was rigged with explosives.

Thus I say:

Do you believe this claim?

And also answer my other two questions.

[Docker]

You are the worst conspiracy theorist ever.

That's because i'm not a conspiracy theorist. I have not suggested a theory.

[Redtail]

It's called humour. I know thats hard for you to understand.

Like you and spelling?

[Docker]

You'll continue to? Good! Where on the FBI site does it say they have no hard evidence on Bin Laden?

In the wanted section, under OBL, he is not listed as wanted for 911. Upon telephoning them to ask why they said they have no hard evidence. Gravy admitted they don't.

Also the British Dossier of evidence stated that it did not have a prosecutable case.

Next?

[Docker]

Like you and spelling?

Calling names? Why so upset?

[bob_kark]

In the wanted section, under OBL, he is not listed as wanted for 911. Upon telephoning them to ask why they said they have no hard evidence. Gravy admitted they don't.

Also the British Dossier of evidence stated that it did not have a prosecutable case.

Next?
1. Seriously, whose sock puppet are you?

[Bell]

<snip>

Next?

I lost count on how many times I have posted these questions before. Would you answer the freaking questions allready, Docker?

Check out this video of Perry Logan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F1TtDFXQE

Then I ask:

Why did you post that?
Why do you want us to check it out?

No reply to that. But what do we get from you?

Alex Jones said today that another plane was meant to hit building 7. Thats why it was rigged with explosives.

Thus I say:

Do you believe this claim?

And also answer my other two questions.

[Redtail]

In the wanted section, under OBL, he is not listed as wanted for 911. Upon telephoning them to ask why they said they have no hard evidence. Gravy admitted they don't.

Also the British Dossier of evidence stated that it did not have a prosecutable case.

Next?

No links to any of that, why?

[Docker]

Do you believe this?

I never said that. I was quoting alex jones. Please try harde. Do you have any more questions for me?

[Redtail]

Calling names? Why so upset?

I didn't call you any names.:p

[Docker]

No links to any of that, why?

Your laziness and desire to get all your evidence from the most biased source in the univers aka gravy, is not my problem.

But your learning which is good.

[Redtail]

Your laziness and desire to get all your evidence from the most biased source in the univers aka gravy, is not my problem.

But your learning which is good.

So you can't back that up? You could have just said that.

ETA: When Did I say I got ALL of my evidence from Gravy?

[Docker]

So you can't back that up? You could have just said that.

Go to the FBI website and look for gods sake. Ring them up. Do some research instead of being a zombie spoonfed by gravy.

[Docker]

Garb i'm still waiting for these questions I haven't answered.

[solidslade]

I suggest the following format for Docker.




Its Fun.

Its Easy.

Its in Bold print!



I. Name :

II. Claim :
(insert the following tags as needed : 9/11 Zionist, Left Gate Keeper, Government Shill, LIHOP, MIHOP, IHOP, KillTown, Jason Bermas' creepyness, "Dude, his science still adds up.", Scholar, Blahblahblah911TruthLOL dot com, 9/11, 9/11, The Truth, Self Evident)

III. EVIDENCE : (optional, factual, peer reviewed, "something I saw on youtube/googlevideo", or other)

IV. Prefered method of debunking :
demand to be debunked, even while you have been answered in other threads already.

V. Prefered debunker of choice :


VI. Will I ignore rational questions, posted by other JREF'rs, that actually challenge my premises? (YES / YES) :


VII. Please list all common logical fallacies commited in your claim that you will use, use-but-ignore-anyway, or keep repeating in another thread. If you are NOT aware of these fallacies, please state so, or call the OP/Macro Maker a Government Zionist LeftGateKeeping Shill with a fat paycheck.



VIII. Will you be repeating another pointless thread about the same pointless assertion if your current claim was already analyzed / is currently being analyzed, yet you want to make your position "fresh" on the forum page view? (YES/YES)



IX. Insert other points of contention below.

[JackPT]

I never said that. I was quoting alex jones. Please try hard. Do you have any more questions for me?

If you don't believe these things why do you quote Alex Jones?

It is OK to change your mind, in fact people around here will likely respect you somewhat if you admit you were wrong.

[Redtail]

Go to the FBI website and look for gods sake. Ring them up. Do some research instead of being a zombie spoonfed by gravy.

You posted it, if you can't back it up sorry. Also you've become convinced I get all of my info from Gravy, why?

[Docker]

You posted it, if you can't back it up sorry.

LOL nice try. You lose.

[Augustine]

Docker, for the WTC Towers:

Are you asserting that NO FIREPROOFING was knocked off by the plane impact? If not, what percentage of fireproofing are you claiming was knocked off by the plane impact? Please be clear.

What was the internal temperature in the impacted floors IN YOUR ANALYSIS?

What parameters precisely did NIST "fiddle with"? How were the values wrong and what should they have been IN YOUR ANALYSIS?

[Docker]

heres the page from the FBI:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

Now r ing them up and ask why he isn't wanted for 9/11

[Bell]

Garb i'm still waiting for these questions I haven't answered.

Wait no more!

I lost count on how many times I have posted these questions before. Would you answer the freaking questions allready, Docker?

Check out this video of Perry Logan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F1TtDFXQE

Then I ask:

Why did you post that?
Why do you want us to check it out?

No reply to that. But what do we get from you?

Alex Jones said today that another plane was meant to hit building 7. Thats why it was rigged with explosives.

Thus I say:

Do you believe this claim?

And also answer my other two questions.

[Redtail]

LOL nice try. You lose.

Originally Posted by Redtail http://www.randi.org/forumlive/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2039093#post2039093)
Docker when did the FBI say they had no hard evidence against Bin Ladin?
On their website.

You can't post the link but I lose?

[Docker]

Docker, for the WTC Towers:

Are you asserting that NO FIREPROOFING was knocked off by the plane impact? If not, what percentage of fireproofing are you claiming was knocked off by the plane impact? Please be clear.

What was the internal temperature in the impacted floors IN YOUR ANALYSIS?

What parameters precisely did NIST "fiddle with"? How were the values wrong and what should they have been IN YOUR ANALYSIS?

I never claimed no fireproofiing was knocked off. Please show me where I said that strawman

I don't know what the temperatures were.

[dirtywick]

"In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."

Fits the bill for 9/11.

Also,

For what purpose did you register at this forum?

[Docker]

You can't post the link but I lose?

I just posted the link

[Gravy]

You said I cherry-picked my eyewitness accounts of the north tower elevator and basement explosion. I have repeatedly asked you to provide contradictory accounts, which you claim exist. You have not done so.

When will you be retracting your claim and apologizing?

[Bell]

I just posted the link

I just posted some questions:


Check out this video of Perry Logan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_F1TtDFXQE

Then I ask:

Why did you post that?
Why do you want us to check it out?

No reply to that. But what do we get from you?

Alex Jones said today that another plane was meant to hit building 7. Thats why it was rigged with explosives.

Thus I say:

Do you believe this claim?

And also answer my other two questions.

[dirtywick]

I never claimed no fireproofiing was knocked off. Please show me where I said that strawman

Actually, it was asked whether or not you were asserting that, not asserting that you were asserting that, strawman.

[Docker]

"In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."

Fits the bill for 9/11.

Also,

For what purpose did you register at this forum?

He isn't wanted for 9/11 though. Please ring them and ask why.

I post here because it's an open forum, just like you guys go and post at LC

[realitybites]

Docker, why is Alex Jones your avatar?

[Redtail]

I just posted the link

And I've seen that link before. Now where do they say We have no hard evidence against him?

[Bell]

Docker, why don't you answer my questions?

Are you a ****** coward?

Keep the discussion civil, and don't circumvent the auto censor program. I edited the word.

[dirtywick]

He isn't wanted for 9/11 though. Please ring them and ask why.

I post here because it's an open forum, just like you guys go and post at LC

Can you prove that 9/11 doesn't fall under "other terrorist attacks"?

Also, I don't post at LC strawman.

ETA: Oh, and because it's an open forum isn't a purpose.

[beachnut]

"
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released a total of 43 draft reports documenting the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster. These reports include the draft summary report on the Investigation of the WTC Towers, 8 project reports, and 34 supporting technical topic reports. Fifteen reports, including three project reports, were released on April 5, 2005.
These reports are being issued in draft form with a six-week period for public comment. Public comments will be accepted during the period commencing June 23rd and ending at 5 p.m. EDT on August 4th.
The public is welcome to comment on any of the 43 draft reports issued by NIST, totaling about 10,000 pages. NIST especially encourages public comment on the approximately 200-page draft summary report, which contains the principal findings and recommendations for changes to codes, standards, and practices. NIST will consider all comments received from the public on the 43 draft reports before they are issued in final form."






Source: http://wtc.nist.gov/comments_submission.htm


thanks, I have over 200 documents, supporting document from NIST, lots of stuff about 9/11, they did a lot of work

thanks

[Augustine]

I never claimed no fireproofiing was knocked off. Please show me where I said that strawman

I don't know what the temperatures were.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2033839&postcount=274

You made this statement
Wrong. NIST claims that both together would not have done it, absent the fireproofing being removed which they have shown no evidence of.

So I am asking for clarification of your position.
Are you asserting that NO FIREPROOFING was knocked off by the plane impact? If not, what percentage of fireproofing are you claiming was knocked off by the plane impact? Please be clear.

And still remaining:
What parameters precisely did NIST "fiddle with"? How were the values wrong and what should they have been IN YOUR ANALYSIS?

[realitybites]

Docker, why is Alex Jones your avatar??

[Skibum]

Docker, When you are with Alex, do you pitch, catch or is at a mutual thing?

[bob_kark]

1. Docker, are you Alex Jones' sock puppet??

[Docker]

Docker, why don't you answer my questions?

Are you a f#cking coward?


/reported

[Docker]

Docker, When you are with Alex, do you pitch, catch or is at a mutual thing?

It's strictly kissing only

[realitybites]

Docker, why is Alex Jones your avatar???

[Bell]

/reported

So, you do read my posts? Then why not answer my questions?

btw, what is there to report? I'm just asking questions.

[JackPT]

He isn't wanted for 9/11 though. Please ring them and ask why.

I post here because it's an open forum, just like you guys go and post at LC

I wouldn't presume to know the legal complexities of charging him with 9/11. I would presume the complexity involved is comparable with war criminals and the like. Given this complexity it probably makes a great deal of sense to get him on earlier misdemeanour and work on subsequent charges once he is apprehended. They are not going to want to rush it.

If your postings are an attempt to fight the corner in the JREF forums for conspiracy theories I would say your evasive behaviour is actually having the opposite effect. All you're doing is wheeling out the same old clichéd arguments that are either improbable or thoroughly debunked. It is all the more baffling that you appear not to believe in many of the arguments you put forth. If you want to help us put more nails in the coffins of conspiracy theories you're doing a great, if not galling, job.

Are you here to defend conspiracy theories?

Edit: Here, funnily enough, is spelt here, not hear.

[Augustine]

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2033839&postcount=274

You made this statement


So I am asking for clarification of your position.
Are you asserting that NO FIREPROOFING was knocked off by the plane impact? If not, what percentage of fireproofing are you claiming was knocked off by the plane impact? Please be clear.

And still remaining:
What parameters precisely did NIST "fiddle with"? How were the values wrong and what should they have been IN YOUR ANALYSIS?

Is the question-answering over or merely paused?

Results so far:
1 Evaded (refused to clarify position on fireproofing)
1 Didn't know (internal temperatures - if NIST is wrong, what were they)
1 Didn't answer (parameters NIST "fiddled with" and his values)

Let's see if those numbers improve....

[Bell]

Nope, he abandoned this thread. Did I miss his answers to my questions, btw?

[Bell]

*weeps*

Now I'll never get those answers...

*weeps more*

[Augustine]

:( ...and I felt we were this close to actually convincing him to do some rational thought...(well, probably not, just being (irrationally) optimistic :blush: )