U.S. forces find stacks of intelligence equipment, documents in raid

[Baker]

Some of the documents made reference to Iraq's nuclear program, including manifests for the delivery of communications equipment to the Iraqi nuclear agency. One letter, dated Feb. 7, 1998, from the National Security Council of Iraq was addressed to the Iraqi Nuclear Organization, with a carbon to the Mukhabarat, the secret intelligence service.

Most of the equipment appeared to be old models, but some were still in their original boxes and had apparently never been used. They included equipment made by prominent U.S. and European companies like Motorola and Thompson.

"It's potentially significant," said Capt. Ryan McWilliams, the battalion intelligence officer on the raid, using his flashlight to scan some of the papers. He said there were "potentially some pretty strong documents regarding the intelligence service."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-06-20-un-iraq_x.htm




Tuwaitha was thought to contain hundreds of tons of natural uranium and nearly two tons of low-enriched uranium, which could be further processed for arms use.

The diplomats did not detail how much uranium had been looted and where it was found, but it appeared much of it was on or near the site.

U.S. military officials who accompanied the IAEA team said last week that initial assessments indicated most of the uranium that had been stored at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center was accounted for.

Although at least 20% of the containers which stored the uranium were taken from the site, it appeared that looters had dumped the uranium before taking the barrels.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-06-20-un-iraq_x.htm


Although U.S. troops have been hunting for chemical and biological weapons since the war ended in April, officials say there are so many leads that most have yet to be investigated, and they expect more:

• Only 157 of 578 "suspect sites" in Iraq have been inspected. The Pentagon has said there may be thousands of weapons sites, but the administration considers the 578 to be the most promising.

[Captain_Snort]

and 'these' documents are to be trusted, just like the documents found which named Labour MP George Galloway as accepting millions from Saddam Hussein?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3006166.stm

mind you, who would believe a paper called 'Christian Science Monitor' anyway?

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by Captain_Snort
and 'these' documents are to be trusted, just like the documents found which named Labour MP George Galloway as accepting millions from Saddam Hussein?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3006166.stm

mind you, who would believe a paper called 'Christian Science Monitor' anyway?

In case you don't know:

The CSM's expert who pronounced their documents 'fake' said the Telegraph's documents were consistent with other known Iraqi documents.

After examining copies of two pages of the Daily Telegraph's documents linking Galloway with the Hussein regime, Mneimneh pronounces them consistent, unlike their Monitor counterparts, with authentic Iraqi documents he has seen.

Moreover, a direct comparison of the language in the Monitor and Daily Telegraph document sets shows that they are somewhat contradictory.

The papers in the Monitor's possession alleged that Galloway began receiving funds from Iraq in the early 1990s. One of the Daily Telegraph's, dated January 2000, alleges that Iraqi officials were just beginning their consideration of a financial relationship with Galloway.

source (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0620/p01s03-woiq.html)

[demon]

Baker, Areocontrols et al...
The day is coming when you are going to have to eat all your words about Iraq and WMD etc,
You do know that don`t you?

I`d shut the f**k up already if I was you. But maybe not, carry on, it`s hilarious.

demon (laughing into his pint glass)

[corplinx]

Originally posted by demon
Baker, Areocontrols et al...
The day is coming when you are going to have to eat all your words about Iraq and WMD etc,
You do know that don`t you?


So far, the only people who have had to eat their words are:
massive casualties
this will be another vietnam
quagmire
the war was bogged down after a week
all the priceless antiquities were looted
the uranium from the nuclear storage was looted
etc

So you are wagering the stockpiles we knew Saddam had in 98/99 will never be found? And the people who think this thought a lot of this other bunk too. Why pick an illogical stance that associates with people who are consistently wrong? Why is this so personal for so many people?

[demon]

Hi corplinx.
I`ll tell you why it is personal...I got lied to...through the teeth on a regular, planned basis. I don`t like that.
It`s also personal for thousands of civiliansd who were murdered and have people like you who think that is is fine to wage war in a far distant land,
It is becoming increasingly clear that this is the case too and yet we still have aplogists going to extreme lengths to continue the lie.
That pisses me off almost as much as the original liers.
I can`t understand why you aren`t outraged too.

As for your points....it`s all done and dusted is is it? Ask the parents of the next body bag that gets sent home. You are keeping up on the news aren`t you?

Go for a fair fight the next time you cowardly bastards, go pick on North Korea or Iran, those guys fight back you know. Make my day.
demon

[demon]

i

[Tricky]

Originally posted by corplinx


So far, the only people who have had to eat their words are:
massive casualties
this will be another vietnam
quagmire
the war was bogged down after a week
all the priceless antiquities were looted
the uranium from the nuclear storage was looted
etc

Fortunately, nobody on these boards made those claims, so no "word buffet" for us. However, many on these boards have claimed that WMD's existed (and even I believe there may have been some), so they are potentially reserved for a "language luncheon" (with a side order of crow).

However, it is funny to see folks twist every little thing, including the discovery that the uranium was not hidden or looted, into an ex post facto excuse for the war. Carry on.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Tricky

However, it is funny to see folks twist every little thing, including the discovery that the uranium was not hidden or looted, into an ex post facto excuse for the war. Carry on.

I don't maintain so, if you could suggest a rewording of what I have said to clear that up then I will change it. I certainly don't want to give the impression that legal uranium that was not in contention was a reason we went to war.

[Baker]

Originally posted by demon
It`s also personal for thousands of civiliansd who were murdered and have people like you who think that is is fine to wage war in a far distant land,


You mean the over 200+ thousand civilians killed under Saddam and the many more that would have continued to die.

[Baker]

Originally posted by Tricky

Fortunately, nobody on these boards made those claims, so no "word buffet" for us. However, many on these boards have claimed that WMD's existed (and even I believe there may have been some), so they are potentially reserved for a "language luncheon" (with a side order of crow).

However, it is funny to see folks twist every little thing, including the discovery that the uranium was not hidden or looted, into an ex post facto excuse for the war. Carry on.



There are some on these boards that have made those claims.
There are many here who claim there are no WMD despite the change they might be wrong.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by corplinx


I don't maintain so, if you could suggest a rewording of what I have said to clear that up then I will change it. I certainly don't want to give the impression that legal uranium that was not in contention was a reason we went to war.
My apologies. You did not make such a claim. It was wrong for me to suggest it.

It is also wrong to suggest that because anti-war people have made some unsubtantiated claims, that they are wrong about the war being unjustified. While you did not say this, Cor, it looks as if you are trying to brand them all as fanatics. Perhaps this was not your intent, and if not, then I again apologize. But it looks that way to me.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Baker


You mean the over 200+ thousand civilians killed under Saddam and the many more that would have continued to die.
There are many who do support deposing Saddam but oppose it being sold on questionable grounds.
Is that understandable?

[demon]

Baker
"You mean the over 200+ thousand civilians killed under Saddam and the many more that would have continued to die."

Do sanctions ever enter into your tiny mind?
That`s one of the silliest things I`ve ever heard..even from you and that`s saying something.

[Monketey Ghost]

For pity's sake, I hope this latest find turns out to be "significant". I'm so very tired of the latest "find" being trumpeted in the press only to have it go unmentioned again in the following weeks when it turns out to be less than what was hoped.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius

There are many who do support deposing Saddam but oppose it being sold on questionable grounds.
Is that understandable?

Hey hero, all the 'grounds' for war were 'questionable' in the minds of leftists. Is that understandable?

First we had Saddam's ignoring of 56 UN resolutions over 12 years but leftist red countries like France and Germany said: "Golly, that isn't justification for war."

Then we had UN resolution 1441 authorizing force and the left said: "gosh, let's just all talk with Iraq and maybe in 100 years they will just "get it" and we can all be a happy global community."

Did the 300,000 people Saddam genocided and buried into mass graves trigger a war response from the left? No, that was just an "unfortunate" thing that happened to those people. Saddam can change, the leftists believed and tried to convince the world.

So in a sense you were partially right but way off the mark, sub-man. Sure, all the people who protect and celebrate freedom around the world wanted Saddam out, but the left loved Saddam and wanted him to stay in power. That is why no valid justification (and there were many) would ever surface that was good enough for the left. No atrocity, no outrage, no crime against humanity was good enough for the perversionist left.

JK

[subgenius]

"...all the 'grounds' for war were 'questionable' in the minds of leftists."
I'm afraid there may be some difference between your statement and the actual data, my friend.
In fact I know a guy in Oscaloosa, Iowa, an admitted leftist, that feels Saddam should have been overthrown a long time ago based on his human rights abuses alone.
In case you want to check, his name is Fred Fielding and his phone number is 641-243-7677. He'd be happy to discuss it with you.
Still raining in your area (Washington, D.C. as I recall)? The weather is finally beautiful here in Detroit, sunny and mid-80s.
Peace and prosperity to you and yours.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by subgenius
"...all the 'grounds' for war were 'questionable' in the minds of leftists."
I'm afraid there may be some difference between your statement and the actual data, my friend.
In fact I know a guy in Oscaloosa, Iowa, an admitted leftist, that feels Saddam should have been overthrown a long time ago based on his human rights abuses alone.
In case you want to check, his name is Fred Fielding and his phone number is 641-243-7677. He'd be happy to discuss it with you.
Still raining in your area (Washington, D.C. as I recall)? The weather is finally beautiful here in Detroit, sunny and mid-80s.
Peace and prosperity to you and yours.

Hey Sub, I was just reading in another thread that your bother was the head of Internal Affairs in Detroit and he just cleaned out a bunch of corrupt people there.

It takes guts to be in a job like that. Tell your brother I appreciate his service to his country and his honesty.

JK

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Hey Sub, I was just reading in another thread that your bother was the head of Internal Affairs in Detroit and he just cleaned out a bunch of corrupt people there.

It takes guts to be in a job like that. Tell your brother I appreciate his service to his country and his honesty.

JK
Will do.
Talk about guts. When the guys you're trying to put away work in the same building, and carry guns and ain't afraid to use them.
He just retired after 30 years and is still in the process of decompressing. Obviously has a million great stories all of which are more interesting than anything you see in the movies. He needs to write a book or three. One of my other brothers (I have 6 and 2 sisters) is totally blind and has worked as the paternity prosecutor in Wayne County for 25 years. Tried more cases than anyone else in the state. Another million great stories, including the case of a former mayor of Detroit.

Sorry folks for the slight detour.

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Jedi Knight
Tell your brother I appreciate his service to his country and his honesty.

Newsflash - Jedi Knight uses the word 'honesty'!

You just cannot make this stuff up.

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by demon
Hi corplinx.

Go for a fair fight the next time you cowardly bastards, go pick on North Korea or Iran, those guys fight back you know. Make my day.
demon

Yes what a bunch of cowards...

Not like Saddam's Feydeheen...
The way they put bullets in the heads of the civilians who would not go and be human shields for them or who refused to fight.
That was real courage!!! ;)

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
First we had Saddam's ignoring of 56 UN resolutions over 12 years but leftist red countries like France and Germany said: "Golly, that isn't justification for war."
How about all the resolutions about Israel? France and Germany say "Golly, that isn't justification for war," about those too. Unlike the US, they are consistant in applying their standards.

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Did the 300,000 people Saddam genocided and buried into mass graves trigger a war response from the left? No, that was just an "unfortunate" thing that happened to those people. Saddam can change, the leftists believed and tried to convince the world.
All of those 300,000 were of the same race ethnic background? They were just sitting around one day when Saddam "genocided" them? When did you get idioted?

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
So in a sense you were partially right but way off the mark, sub-man. Sure, all the people who protect and celebrate freedom around the world wanted Saddam out, but the left loved Saddam and wanted him to stay in power.
Can you identify a single person here (or anywhere outside of the Middle East) that says they loved Saddam? When did you get liared?

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by demon

Do sanctions ever enter into your tiny mind?
That`s one of the silliest things I`ve ever heard..even from you and that`s saying something.

So you were against the war and against UN sanctions?

What would have been your policy?

Sorry, so many thousands died because Saddam used his oil for food program to buy T-72 Tanks from the Russians and Mirage Jets from the French and install gold toilets in his numerous palaces instead of the money going to his people...

I suppose that is Bush's fault too?

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by Tricky

How about all the resolutions about Israel? France and Germany say "Golly, that isn't justification for war," about those too. Unlike the US, they are consistant in applying their standards.


UMMM Tricky,
I would suggest that you look at French intervention in their former colonies in Africa over the past few decades and then comment about how "consistent" they are in their use of the UN.

I realize you don't like Bush, but there is no need to forget all history...

[demon]

Dream on Mike B, dream on mate.
LOLOLOLOL

edited to add yes I don`t have any other argument to make...just the "dream on" comment ok?
F**king hilarious.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tricky

How about all the resolutions about Israel? France and Germany say "Golly, that isn't justification for war," about those too. Unlike the US, they are consistant in applying their standards.


All of those 300,000 were of the same race ethnic background? They were just sitting around one day when Saddam "genocided" them? When did you get idioted?


Can you identify a single person here (or anywhere outside of the Middle East) that says they loved Saddam? When did you get liared?

The left is dishonest. They love Saddam because Saddam is a socialist. Saddam was a fellow leftist minion. It doesn't matter how many people Saddam killed because he had a license to do it by the left, and only moral men on the right could stop him.

So when did you become part of the left that loves saddam? When did you get Saddamonized?

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by demon
demon (laughing into his pint glass)

How does urine taste?

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by demon
Go for a fair fight the next time you cowardly bastards, go pick on North Korea or Iran, those guys fight back you know. Make my day.
demon

Iran is being dismantled even as we speak. lol. It is game over for them.

As for North Korea, they will cease to exist as a political entity if they even raise a BB-gun against us.

Eat freedom, lefty. Nothing can stop moral men, free men, when they change the world into a democracy. The days of the perversionist left running the middle east are over.

I relish the hate coming from the left over the liberation of Iraq. I simply relish it.

JK

[ssibal]

Originally posted by Tricky

How about all the resolutions about Israel? France and Germany say "Golly, that isn't justification for war," about those too. Unlike the US, they are consistant in applying their standards.

Because there is not a single resolution against Israel that is Chapter 7, whereas the ones against Iraq are.

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by demon
Dream on Mike B, dream on mate.
LOLOLOLOL

edited to add yes I don`t have any other argument to make...just the "dream on" comment ok?
F**king hilarious.

Well I guess he really showed me...:rolleyes:

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
So when did you become part of the left that loves saddam?
The same time you became a feminazi.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Mike B.


Well I guess he really showed me...:rolleyes:

lol

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tricky

The same time you became a feminazi.

Well I guess he really showed me...:rolleyes:

JK

[E.J.Armstrong]

originally posted by Jelli Knob
Saddam was a fellow leftist minion. It doesn't matter how many people Saddam killed because he had a license to do it by the left, and only moral men on the right could stop him.

We have never seen you or Saddam Hussein side by side. I wonder why?

I also note that the goddam finest people on earth namely those USA corporations which couldn't wait to sell Saddam weapons and Donald Rumsfeld who gave Hussein a warm handshake while facilitating the transfer of anthrax worked with the mass murderer while they knew his favourite pastime was mass murder. Under your philosophy Gunter that makes Rumsfeld and those USA corporations lefties as well. Left of what? Madness?

Note to self - repeat twenty times -it is not right to laugh at the afflicted.

[Skeptic]

It`s also personal for thousands of civiliansd who were murdered

...by Saddam Hussein's death squads.

Yes, it sure was.

Of course, maybe YOU would like to tell those freed from his prisons how this war was "unjust imperialism".

(And, no, there were NOT "thousands of civilian casualties" from US bombings of Saddam's military installations.)

and have people like you who think that is is fine to wage war in a far distant land,

Distance from Berlin to Washington: approx. 5000 miles. I guess WWII was an "unjust" attack on Nazi Germany.

After all, we all know that what determines how just or unjust a war is, is how far the two countries are, right?

It is becoming increasingly clear that this is the case too

Just like it became "increasingly clear" to La Figaro, a week into the war, that it is "turning into a quagmire". It was still on sale in the newsstands as Saddam's statue was toppled in Baghdad.

History shows that, usually, when a leftist says something is "becoming increasingly clear", it means "the opposite will be proven obviously true in about a week".

and yet we still have aplogists going to extreme lengths to continue the lie.

TRASNLATION: people still disagree with me about Iraq for some reason. Must be a conspiracy.

That pisses me off almost as much as the original liers.
I can`t understand why you aren`t outraged too.

TRASLATION: How could they POSSIBLY disagree with me, when it should be utterly obvious I am in possession of THE TRUTH(tm) about everything? Why don't they recognize my OBVIOUS INTELLECTUAL AND MORAL SUPERIORITY?

As for your points....it`s all done and dusted is is it? Ask the parents of the next body bag that gets sent home. You are keeping up on the news aren`t you?

Indeed so.

After all, if an operation is not 100% casualty-free, it's obviously a total blunder and disaster.

Which is why, of course, the US stopped fighting the moment it took a few casualties on D-Day, and Europe is, to this day, under Nazi control.

Go for a fair fight the next time you cowardly bastards,

"Cowardly bastards" = actually USE their overwhelming military superiority instead of unnecessarily risking the lives of their soldiers.

No fair! The Americans actually CARE about their soldiers lives! Cowards!

go pick on North Korea or Iran, those guys fight back you know.

Wanna bet they won't?