Impossible Cure for Autism, Yuck!

[Dancing David]

http://www.impossiblecure.com/autism.html#homeopathy

Homeopathic Treatment of Autism

Homeopathy isn't a "take this for that" medicine. Ten different autistic children might be prescribed ten different remedies. Choice of remedy depends on a child's individual characteristics. However, there are some remedies that are more commonly used than others to treat children in this community.

Autism, unfortunately, is a very serious condition and is not an easy cure. For example, while ADD (ADHD) has an 70% cure rate in many homeopathic practices, autism is much more difficult. However there are definitely many cases of homeopathic autism cures besides Max's. Although complete cures cannot be expected in most cases, the homeopath who treated Max (John Melnychuk -- see below) and many other homeopaths who treat autistic children are seeing significant progress in a majority of cases. If treatment begins early -- especially before age 5 -- there is room for great hope! Even later treatment can find success. But you must have commitment and view treatment as a long term process that will take months and years, not days or weeks.
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Because autism is difficult to treat, we recommend that you seek out a very experienced classical homeopath (one remedy at a time, no mixtures) and stick with it for at least a year. Do not try to treat your child yourself. If you read Impossible Cure you will learn what classical homeopathic treatment is all about and how to discern if a particular practitioner is classical. Ideally, select a practitioner whose entire practice is devoted to homeopathy.
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In our view and experience, properly and individually selected remedies can naturally detox the body in a gradual and natural way. Predetermined protocols that are not tailored to the specific symptoms being exhibited by a child can sometimes be misguided, given the acute sensitivity of autistic children.

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As far as sequential therapy goes, it can be used in beneficial ways in the hands of a skilled practitioner. In our view, this approach should be applied in a way that is guided by the presenting symptoms of the child -- which is, after all, the very foundation of the homeopathic approach. The way sequential therapy works is, based on the history of symptoms of a case, a remedy is given to address each "event", in reverse order. The remedies chosen are often based on an idea of "specifics" (see page 157 in Impossible Cure). So you'll get one remedy to treat this vaccine, then a month later another remedy to treat the previous vaccine, etc. Sometimes this approach is applied in a very routine way rather than being based on the actual symptoms being presented by the patient at the given time.
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Don't give up hope for recovery.

So many parents with autistic kids become despondent and don't believe their kid can recover. This really works against them. Don't give in to despair. Try as hard as you can to be loving, accepting, but confident that full recovery is possible. In addition, try not to become accommodated to or invested in your child's illness. Don't try to convince yourself that your child is just fine as an autistic person; they will be much better off if they aren't autistic! Striking a balance between love and acceptance of your child and confidence in their improvement can sometimes be difficult, but you can achieve it. Moreover, don't be afraid of potential disappointment. What's worse, experiencing disappointments or never trying at all? You owe it to your child to not let your own fears get in the way.

The sooner you seek treatment the better.

In a way, autistic children "leave" us and the further away they get, the harder it is to bring them back. Besides, as the brain grows and matures, it becomes more set in its ways. When allopathic drugging comes into play, the situation becomes even more difficult. Ideally, you should treat before age 5 or 6. However, even older autistic children can manifest significant improvement that will improve their quality of life.

Give the issue of vaccination serious thought.

There's been a huge rise in autism in the USA over the past twenty years -- from about 1/10,000 to 1/150 -- and the most suspected culprit (at least within the autism community) is vaccination damage. Some believe it is the mercury in the vaccines. Some believe it is the vaccines themselves -- the most suspected ones are the MMR and DPT. If your child experienced convulsions, fever, and shrieking before the onset of autism, DPT is highly suspect. If the onset was more insidious, especially if accompanied by gut problems, MMR is more likely. The Hepatitis B vaccine is also suspected by some parents. Whatever the reason, many believe that vaccines are the cause of 99% of the cases of autism and the reason for the dramatic rise over the past 20 years. The vaccinations trigger autism as a kind of auto-immune disorder. More children are experiencing other kinds of auto-immune diseases as well -- diabetes, severe allergies, etc. The vaccination trigger for autism may be one reason that homeopathy is successful, because it has a good track record in correcting vaccination damage.

Pay attention to potential food allergens.
Many autistic children improve significantly if they adhere to dietary restrictions. It is likely that the vaccinations have triggered severe food allergies in these children that affect their brain, resulting in autism. Eliminating the allergens can unburden their systems and provide relief, though usually not a cure. Homeopathic treatment can then go in and, over time, remove the allergic tendency altogether. However, as this can take a number of years, it is best to remove foods from the diet that are aggravating your child's condition. As homeopathic treatment creates improvement, you can slowly introduce foods back in.

[Yuri Nalyssus]

Autism, unfortunately, is a very serious condition and is not an easy cure. For example, while ADD (ADHD) has an 70% cure rate in many homeopathic practices, autism is much more difficult.I've always enjoyed fairy tales and, let's face it, Little Red Ridinghood was better referenced than this sorry tale.

Yuri

[Dancing David]

Although complete cures cannot be expected in most cases, the homeopath who treated Max (John Melnychuk -- see below) and many other homeopaths who treat autistic children are seeing significant progress in a majority of cases. If treatment begins early -- especially before age 5 -- there is room for great hope!

Hmmm.

[Cuddles]

Although complete cures cannot be expected in most cases, the homeopath who treated Max (John Melnychuk -- see below) and many other homeopaths who treat autistic children are seeing significant progress in a majority of cases. If treatment begins early -- especially before age 5 -- there is room for great hope!

So let me see, if we treat children so young that they can't be diagnosed with certainty, then many of them turn out not be autistic. Good thing they had those sugar pills to help them.

[NeilC]

So is this quoted rise in autism true and if so why is it happening? Is it better diagnosis or environmental reasons?

[brodski]

So is this quoted rise in autism true and if so why is it happening? Is it better diagnosis or environmental reasons?

It's linked to the decline in the number of practising homeopaths ;)

[JackPT]

http://www.impossiblecure.com/autism.html#homeopathy

Things like this make me so angry that it is difficult to type without referring to that author of that page with the four letter c word, capitalised and with exclamation points. I have a relative who is severely autistic, and relatives who care for them. People like that offer nothing better than false hope. My relatives are broadly science literate, which means they wouldn't fall for that kind of garbage. But some people may hold out false hope, and avoid seeing real experts and getting real advice, which could be very harmful. The weasel words they use in their disclaimer are typical.

[kmortis]

I got thinking this weekend that now that we're starting to get cures for various forms of cancer, we need a new Horrible Disease To Scare Everyone Withtm. I'm thinking that The Autism might just fit the bill. Think about it:
It's poorly understood by the general populous
It's present in every socio-economic class
There's not currently a "cure", nor even a treatment

It's the new bugaboo. Got your kids vaccinated? They'll get The Autism. You a distant, cold mother? Your kids'll get The Autism. Exposed to too many EM waves? You'll get The Autism.

So here we go. We now have the new medical boogy-man. So let's call in the Heroic Homeopathstm! They'lll fix it all! They'll sop up all the research money and give us f:dking sugar pills in return.

[BPScooter]

The November Scientific American had an article that I learned something from, the role of certain 'mirror' neurons that seem to fire when one performs an action and also when seeing another perform it. Sort of an empathy process, at a low level. Autistic kids seem to lack this 'mirror' process at the neuronal level. The authors are clear that current behavioral therapy approaches, in their opinion, are worthwhile and their research can only improve the quality and specificity of treatment as we learn more.

I'm as mad as the next one of you about the claims and lack of evidence regarding the original post. Maybe the "don't give up hope" advice is the real best in the whole thing. Social interaction in a targeted sort of way with a long-term consistency, started early enough, might help the kid's brain compensate for a functional neuronal deficit.

I have no special expertise here, just what I read in SciAm and some following of the ADD/Ritalin issue. It does get me mad when these homeopaths seem to be so unaware of what the high-tech inquiries are discovering.

[Dancing David]

The social training has to begin as early as possible as well, so early childhood intervention is the best route. But it has to start before the 'hardenin' of the hard wiring. Pallative medications can be useful in controling some symptoms as well.

Recently I heard a news story that said the problem is with the intergrative functions of the brain, so any organised task becomes impaired.

[ebola]

Pages like this are sickening. I am no longer surprised by the wide range of expensive and ineffective "remedies" for this devastating disorder. As the father of two autistic sons, I have had to sit and nod politely as other parents of autistic children have extolled the virtues of the latest scam. It is especially despicable as the money that is wasted on these untested, unsupported, and undocumented schemes could be put to so much better use.

I have sat and listened to one mother of an autistic child tell me that she has not vaccinated her younger children, and that is why they are not autistic, while in the next breath she is espousing chelation for her child who is autistic. I have listened to parents sing the praises of hyperbaric chambers, dietary changes, and allergy therapies, not to mention homeopathic remedies.

While there are reputable sites which provide accurate information on where to turn for help, the internet has far too many sites like this. These con artists make me sick.

Eric

[ebola]

Double post. Sorry.

Eric

[TobiasTheCommie]

So is this quoted rise in autism true and if so why is it happening? Is it better diagnosis or environmental reasons?

No, it isn't.

From my site


One error, that i see many places, is that there is a either just a rise in autism, or an epidemic. This argument is a mistake which has a few sources.

The first cause of this mistake is that in the 1980s the definition of autism was changed. This means that a lot of people that were previously living without a diagnosis now got diagnosed with autism. Which naturally resulted in an increase in people diagnosed with autism.

Another, similar, argument is that it is caused by "something or other" which is the reason we haven't seen it untill the 20th century. In history there are very few cases of autism from before the 20th century, and this has caused many people to assume it is something new. And since it is new it must have a cause coming from changes in our society or environment.

This is partly true. Autism has always been with us. But except for the extreme cases(Rainman et al.) it has gone mostly unnoticed. This is because it has been easier to live with psychological problems like autism before. Our society has changed, and the change makes it a lot harder for a high functioning person with autism.

Living 200 years ago with Aspergers would probably not have been noticed, because society didn't have so many demands. Earlier in our history it was common to have a clear road of what to do. A very fixed school environment, with strict rules that had to be followed, you often took your fathers job(or else your father would send you off as an apprentice). Even getting a wife of children have for most of our history been something decided upon by the parents.

This means that the person with autism wouldn't have to make all these decisions, which means it is easier to live.

But now, from very early on there is choices. Choices about everything. There are no fixed guidelines. There is no one to decide for you. And there is a much rougher social world to interact with.

This means that living with autism is no longer as easy to hide as it was before. The problems are much more apparant in todays world.

http://www.autismmyths.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22

Too tired right now, i'll make a rebuttal tomorrow, and because of time zones i'll add that i mean within 24 hours of this post.

[TobiasTheCommie]

So let me see, if we treat children so young that they can't be diagnosed with certainty, then many of them turn out not be autistic. Good thing they had those sugar pills to help them.

hm, i believe, and would make the argument, that it is a lot easier to diagnose correctly at a young age. Atleast when it comes to autism.

[TobiasTheCommie]

From my site http://www.autismmyths.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=24

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We have yet another fake cure for autism. As this quote says it is indeed impossible.

Impossible Cure: The Promise of Homeopathy provides an in-depth and exciting account of the history, philosophy, science, and experience of homeopathic medicine.

At the core of Impossible Cure is the amazing story of how the author's son was cured of autism with homeopathy. It also includes dozens of other testimonials of homeopathic cures for a variety of physical, mental, and emotional conditions.

Impossible Cure will serve as an invaluable guide to anyone interested in learning more about this intriguing form of health care.

[1]

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The book "Impossible Cure" is useless and offers false hope and solutions that don't work.

It hides behind this token disclaimer that no one will notice.

Impossible Cure is based on information from sources believed to be accurate and reliable and every reasonable effort has been made to make the book as complete and accurate as possible. However, such completeness and accuracy is not guaranteed.

[2]

The book offers no critique of homeopathy, and no scientific evidence that it works.

For those who don't know what homeopathy is or what it entails, quackwatch have made a brilliant rebuttal of it.


Basic Misbeliefs

Samuel Hahnemann (1755-1843), a German physician, began formulating homeopathy's basic principles in the late 1700s. Hahnemann was justifiably distressed about bloodletting, leeching, purging, and other medical procedures of his day that did far more harm than good. Thinking that these treatments were intended to "balance the body's 'humors' by opposite effects," he developed his "law of similars" -- a notion that symptoms of disease can be cured by extremely small amounts of substances that produce similar symptoms in healthy people when administered in large amounts. The word "homeopathy" is derived from the Greek words homoios (similar) and pathos (suffering or disease).

Hahnemann and his early followers conducted "provings" in which they administered herbs, minerals, and other substances to healthy people, including themselves, and kept detailed records of what they observed. Later these records were compiled into lengthy reference books called materia medica, which are used to match a patient's symptoms with a "corresponding" drug.

[3]
The development of homeopathy is not surprising since in the 1700s medicine wasn't the science it is today. And while homeopathy might, or might not, have been better than the medical practice in the 1700s(bloodletting et al), today it is dangerous and offers nothing of substance to the patient.

Here is an explanation of how Homeopathy is supposed to work.

A 30X dilution means that the original substance has been diluted 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times. Assuming that a cubic centimeter of water contains 15 drops, this number is greater than the number of drops of water that would fill a container more than 50 times the size of the Earth. Imagine placing a drop of red dye into such a container so that it disperses evenly. Homeopathy's "law of infinitesimals" is the equivalent of saying that any drop of water subsequently removed from that container will possess an essence of redness. Robert L. Park, Ph.D., a prominent physicist who is executive director of The American Physical Society, has noted that since the least amount of a substance in a solution is one molecule, a 30C solution would have to have at least one molecule of the original substance dissolved in a minimum of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of water. This would require a container more than 30,000,000,000 times the size of the Earth.

[3]

When this became apparent the homeopaths started claiming that while there were no molecules in their substances, it was the the vibrations left over from the original substance that proved the cure.

There is no evidence to support this argument.

Homeopathy has not been shown to work better than placebo. For a complete explanation/rebuttal visit quackwatch[3].


Homeopathy isn't a "take this for that" medicine. Ten different autistic children might be prescribed ten different remedies. Choice of remedy depends on a child's individual characteristics. However, there are some remedies that are more commonly used than others to treat children in this community.

[1]
This is the current dogma of homeopathy, and an easy escape hatch for when their claimed solution doesn't work.


Autism, unfortunately, is a very serious condition and is not an easy cure. For example, while ADD (ADHD) has an 70% cure rate in many homeopathic practices, autism is much more difficult. However there are definitely many cases of homeopathic autism cures besides Max's. Although complete cures cannot be expected in most cases, the homeopath who treated Max (John Melnychuk -- see below) and many other homeopaths who treat autistic children are seeing significant progress in a majority of cases. If treatment begins early -- especially before age 5 -- there is room for great hope! Even later treatment can find success. But you must have commitment and view treatment as a long term process that will take months and years, not days or weeks.

[1]
There is no evidence that homeopathy can cure AD(H)D. And the claim above is either false or fraudulent.

Starting treatment for children with autism at a young is a good idea(as long as it is a proper treatment). But people with autism, like everyone else, develop throughout their life. As a person becomes older the symptoms of autism will, in most cases, decrease significantly. This is because experience helps people with autism understand what they are missing, and with that understanding they can start working with it and find a solution.

As a person with autism gets older the symptoms will decrease, and for some people it is not even possible to diagnose it when they are old enough.

But homeopathy as a solution will, at best, do nothing. But a worse case scenario is that proper treatment is ignored and abandoned for the homeopathic treatment, in which case the development will slow down significantly.


Because autism is difficult to treat, we recommend that you seek out a very experienced classical homeopath (one remedy at a time, no mixtures) and stick with it for at least a year. Do not try to treat your child yourself.

[1]
Autism is indeed difficult to treat. That is why false hope and fake cures like homeopathy shouldn't muddy the waters any further. Whether or not you go for an experience homeopath or try to use homeopathic substances on your own, the result will be the same. A placebo effect at best.


Many people have inquired about homeopathic "detox" treatments or "sequential therapy" approaches to homeopathy. These kinds of therapies have been successful in some cases.

[1]
False, and no sources have been provided for this statement, so it can't be discussed further than to say it is false.

There are no evidence that any kind of "detox" is useful for people/children with autism. Some people claim autism is caused by heavy metal poisons http://www.autismmyths.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=11, but that has not been proven.


Please also remember that it usually takes a practitioner time to find a good remedy and dosing regimen -- sometimes months of trial and error. In Max's case, there was slow and steady improvement throughout, but that's unusual [SNIP] Successful homeopathic treatment, unfortunately, depends on the ability of the practitioner to successfully find the right remedy for your child.

[1]
In other words, they want your children locked in to this unproven, unscientific and fake cure for as long as possible to milk the money out of the parents.

A slow and steady improvement is what would be expected with proper treatment. There is no magical cure, least of all homeopathy.

A slow and steady improvement would be expected with normal CAT-KIT http://www.cat-kit.com/en/ like procedures, which have been shown to work.


In a way, autistic children "leave" us and the further away they get, the harder it is to bring them back. Besides, as the brain grows and matures, it becomes more set in its ways. When allopathic drugging comes into play, the situation becomes even more difficult. Ideally, you should treat before age 5 or 6. However, even older autistic children can manifest significant improvement that will improve their quality of life.

[1]
That is false. Before the beginning of the teenage life most children can't really see how they are different from other children. This is something that can only be realized when the brain developed far enough. As the brain grows and matures the person will realize and discover the problems. This means that there will be an apparent backwards trend during the teen years(which are the hardest to get through), because there is more work. That doesn't mean that the children leave anyone.

There is no evidence that common(allopathic as they call it) treatments have any influence on autism. And there is no evidence that common medicine has any effects on homeopathic treatment. Which should be common sense considering homeopathy is usually water or sugar pills, with no active ingredient that any other medicine could influence.


There's been a huge rise in autism in the USA over the past twenty years -- from about 1/10,000 to 1/150 -- and the most suspected culprit (at least within the autism community) is vaccination damage. Some believe it is the mercury in the vaccines. Some believe it is the vaccines themselves -- the most suspected ones are the MMR and DPT. If your child experienced convulsions, fever, and shrieking before the onset of autism, DPT is highly suspect. If the onset was more insidious, especially if accompanied by gut problems, MMR is more likely. The Hepatitis B vaccine is also suspected by some parents. Whatever the reason, many believe that vaccines are the cause of 99% of the cases of autism and the reason for the dramatic rise over the past 20 years. The vaccinations trigger autism as a kind of auto-immune disorder. More children are experiencing other kinds of auto-immune diseases as well -- diabetes, severe allergies, etc. The vaccination trigger for autism may be one reason that homeopathy is successful, because it has a good track record in correcting vaccination damage.

[1]
This is false and has been addressed before.

For the rise:

One error, that i see many places, is that there is a either just a rise in autism, or an epidemic. This argument is a mistake which has a few sources.

The first cause of this mistake is that in the 1980s the definition of autism was changed. This means that a lot of people that were previously living without a diagnosis now got diagnosed with autism. Which naturally resulted in an increase in people diagnosed with autism.

Another, similar, argument is that it is caused by "something or other" which is the reason we haven't seen it untill the 20th century. In history there are very few cases of autism from before the 20th century, and this has caused many people to assume it is something new. And since it is new it must have a cause coming from changes in our society or environment.

This is partly true. Autism has always been with us. But except for the extreme cases(Rainman et al.) it has gone mostly unnoticed. This is because it has been easier to live with psychological problems like autism before. Our society has changed, and the change makes it a lot harder for a high functioning person with autism.

Living 200 years ago with Aspergers would probably not have been noticed, because society didn't have so many demands. Earlier in our history it was common to have a clear road of what to do. A very fixed school environment, with strict rules that had to be followed, you often took your fathers job(or else your father would send you off as an apprentice). Even getting a wife of children have for most of our history been something decided upon by the parents.

This means that the person with autism wouldn't have to make all these decisions, which means it is easier to live.

But now, from very early on there is choices. Choices about everything. There are no fixed guidelines. There is no one to decide for you. And there is a much rougher social world to interact with.

This means that living with autism is no longer as easy to hide as it was before. The problems are much more apparant in todays world.

http://www.autismmyths.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22

For vaccine

Thimerosal is a preservative which contains almost 50% mercury. And mercury poisoning does have a lot in common with ASD(Autism Spectrum Disorder).

This have lead to many outspoken groups and parents fighting against vaccination of their children.

Vaccination is not a cause of autism. The problem here is that people see a correlation, and think it is causation. But that is not how the world works.

Children are given their child vaccination usually a bit before the signs of autism can be seen.

That is, if the child is given an MMR vaccination 6 months before the child is diagnosed with autism, that doesn't mean the MMR caused it. The child would have had autism all the time, it just isn't noticeable till a certain age.

If the child had eaten a candy cone 6 months before the child is diagnosed with autism, is that good reason to claim that candy cones causes autism? Of course it isn't.

If you don't make a distinction between correlation and causation you will end up with arguments like that. Arguments that have nothing to do with science.

http://www.autismmyths.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=11


Many autistic children improve significantly if they adhere to dietary restrictions. It is likely that the vaccinations have triggered severe food allergies in these children that affect their brain, resulting in autism. Eliminating the allergens can unburden their systems and provide relief, though usually not a cure. Homeopathic treatment can then go in and, over time, remove the allergic tendency altogether. However, as this can take a number of years, it is best to remove foods from the diet that are aggravating your child's condition. As homeopathic treatment creates improvement, you can slowly introduce foods back in.

[1]
There are investigations into allergies, but nothing conclusive yet. The only thing we know conclusively about the etiology of autism so far, is that it has a genetic component. But it doesn't appear to be solely genetic.

But nothing can be done, or should be done, until the results are in. There might be an allergic reaction, but until the evidence is there one would just be fumbling and stumbling in the dark with attempts to find a solution.


One of the most implicated problem foods is milk -- especially cow's milk. A study at the University of Florida on the effects of milk protein on the brain found that eliminating dairy helped something like 95% of autistic and psychotic kids! Goat milk is not as bad (it contains less milk proteins), but try to cut out all cow milk and dairy in general. Some people also believe that pasteurization is the culprit and advocate using raw milk instead.

[1]
Again a false statement with no evidence to back it up.

There is no cure for autism, and if any study made the 95% claim above, then it is either fraudulent or mistaken.


Other Therapies

Besides food elimination, there are many other therapies being recommend for autistic children. In our experience, none of these are likely to cure autism, but many can greatly improve your child's condition.

[1]
Unfortunately they are wrong on most of their "Other Therapies"


Traditional Hands-On Osteopathic Treatment (or Cranio/Sacral Therapy).[i]

Osteopathic manipulation is very gentle and was very helpful in Max's case. It works very synergistically with homeopathic treatment. Make sure the practitioner you select is very experienced in this kind of treatment -- not simply a massage practitioner who has taken a course on cranial-sacral treatment. Ideally, find a certified D.O. who only does hands-on work, not conventional medicine.

[1]


Practitioners of "cranial osteopathy," "craniosacral therapy," "cranial therapy," and similar methods claim that the skull bones can be manipulated to relieve pain (especially of the jaw joint) and remedy many other ailments. They also claim that a rhythm exists in the flow of the fluid that surrounds the brain and spinal cord and that diseases can be diagnosed by detecting aberrations in this rhythm and corrected by manipulating the skull. Most practitioners are osteopaths, massage therapists, chiropractors, dentists, or physical therapists.

[4]


In 2002, two basic science professors at the University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine concluded:

Our own and previously published findings suggest that the proposed mechanism for cranial osteopathy is invalid and that interexaminer (and, therefore, diagnostic) reliability is approximately zero. Since no properly randomized, blinded, and placebo-controlled outcome studies have been published, we conclude that cranial osteopathy should be removed from curricula of colleges of osteopathic medicine and from osteopathic licensing examinations [17].

[4]

Read the complete rebuttal at the quackwatch site.


[i]Energy Healing -- Reiki, Prayer, etc.

These kinds of treatments, if performed by yourself or a knowledgeable practitioner, can be very helpful and can boost the effects of homeopathic treatment.

[1]
Since homeopathic treatments have no effect, it can't be boosted.
That said, energy healing, reiki, and prayer, are all things that haven't been shown to work.


Reiki practitioners claim harness and transmit "universal life energy" by placing their hands in specific positions on or near the body; or they can visualize special symbols that supposedly enable them to send "healing energy," even from far away [1]. One form of reiki, The Radiance Technique, is claimed to be useful for mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual balancing. Some practitioners claim that Reiki can increase the healing energy of food [1]. The existence of "universal life energy" has not been demonstrated.

[5]


Any claim of successful treatment, including faith healing, must meet certain criteria. First, it must be established that some type of illness or medical condition actually existed. On any Sunday, revival-tent faith healers and televangelists claim to restore vision to the blind and limb function to the lame. To many people, the sight of wheelchair-bound invalids standing up and walking (or even running) away from their wheelchairs is convincing evidence. But no such miracle healing has been scientifically authenticated. When these cases are investigated, it is often found that the infirmity did not exist or was psychosomatic [2]. Furthermore, the human body has intrinsic healing mechanisms and will frequently recover from illness or injury even when no treatment is rendered. Any claim of successful treatment, medical or otherwise, must therefore account for these factors.

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Chelation

The goal of chelation therapies is to remove toxic metals such as mercury from the body. While these treatments can have striking results, they are sometimes short-lived. They can also be very harsh in their effects, and they may interfere with homeopathic treatment. Be aware that successful homeopathic treatment can also effectively, though often slowly, chelate harmful metals from the body. However, there are some cases where some form of chelation may be necessary.

[1]
I have already covered that.


Though chelation is a real process used by real doctors in cases of severe heavy metal poisoning, it's use as a cure against autism has no foundation in science or the medical profession.

Chelation as used against anything other than a severe heavy metal poisoning is a waste of time and resources, and it is potentially dangerous.

When it comes to "curing autism", the chelation agent used is often EDTA which works by binding itself to the mercury in the body

But studies performed to test this have not been able to prove that it actually works.

http://www.autismmyths.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=19


Supplements

A variety of supplements are often recommended for autistic children -- e.g., Vitamin B-6, Vitamin C, DMG, Magnesium, Omega-3 fats, and others. We are not experts on these supplements, but many have reported significant improvements when using them. If you use them, you should do so under the guidance of a practitioner. They will probably not interfere with homeopathic treatment. You should discuss the issue with your homeopath. (Max did not use any nutritional supplements.)

[1]

Besides for Omega-3 fats i have heard of nothing for or against on the other supplements.

Omega-3 fats have been shown to offer improvements on memory, motor skills, sleeping disorders, stress, and depression. That is NOT to say that it should be used instead of other medication.

Omega-3 is supported by medical practitioners as being good for everyone. But it is especially good for people with autism as studies have shown people with autism to have a decreased amount of Omega-3 compared to a test group.


Behavioral, Auditory, Occupational, Language and other Therapies

These kinds of therapies are very helpful in helping autistic children learn to communicate with and navigate within their world. While these therapies may provide only limited help without homeopathic treatment, with homeopathic treatment, a child will benefit much more greatly from them and truly begin to blossom. If you pursue homeopathic treatment, you should continue such programs until they are no longer necessary.

[1]

With no specific names to the therapies it is hard to properly state if they work or not.
Behavioral therapies(Like the cat-kit) do work.
Proper language therapies do work.
Occupational therapy appears to be on the up and up. Though there may be some therapies with the same name/description that aren't.

Auditory therapy, though, is irrelevant.

No clear evidence yet for auditory integration therapy's effect on autism.

People with autistic spectrum disorders have difficulties with communication, behaviour and/or social interaction, and many also experience abnormal responses to sounds. The purpose of this review was to assess the evidence for the effectiveness of auditory integration therapy (AIT) and therapies like it, which have been developed to improve abnormal sound sensitivity in and autistic behaviours in such individuals. Six relatively small studies met the inclusion criteria for AIT. These largely measured different outcomes and reported mixed results. Suggestion of benefit in two outcomes requires corroboration by further research using well-designed trials with long-term follow-up.

[7]

Links:

[1] R.L.Ranch Press -- Impossible Cure (http://www.impossiblecure.com/)

[2] R.L.Ranch Press -- Impossible Cure (http://www.impossiblecure.com/disclaimer.html)

[3] Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html)

[4] Dubious Aspects of Osteopathy (http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/QA/osteo.html)

[5] Massage Therapy: Riddled with Quackery (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/massage.html)

[6] Faith Healing by Prayer: Review of a Questionable Study (http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/wirthstudy.html)

[7] Auditory integration training and other sound therapies for autism spectrum disorders (http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab003681.html)

[ebola]

Toby,

Well done.

Thanks,

Eric

[stateofgrace]

This is my first post in this section and I would like to say what a wealth of information there is in this thread alone, thanks TobiasTheCommie.

My son as been diagnosed with aspersers. He also has been diagnosed with DCD which really hinders his education.

Just today I and my wife have returned from a meeting at his school where we discuses his progress and try to set in place and IEP (individual education program). New aims and methods of achieving these aims were also discussed.

Within these aims and methods a new suggestion was brought to the table which is why I post here. I would like other people’s opinion on this before I commit myself to it.

Basically it was called “the circle of friends". It was the first time I have ever heard of this but from what I am told works on the principle of telling my sons class about his condition. From this then comes the circle of friends whereby selected pupils will help my son with such skills as social interaction, motivation and concentration. The aim being two fold, 1) to help my son to develop greater social skills, greater understanding of body language and offer support. 2) The pupils themselves with develop a greater understanding of this disorder and my son’s condition.

I have reservations about it myself, I can see the up side to it, I can see the benefit all round. But I can also see the flip side whereby my son who is 10, could be singled out. This is something we have desperately tried to avoid.

Anyways if anybody could offer an opinion I would be grateful.

As for these magic cures, scams and whatever, I wish, there really was a magic pill. There isn't. The only thing there is is patience, dedication and the love of your child

[TobiasTheCommie]

This is my first post in this section and I would like to say what a wealth of information there is in this thread alone, thanks TobiasTheCommie.
np

My son as been diagnosed with aspersers. He also has been diagnosed with DCD which really hinders his education.
DCD? You mean OCD? I have never heard of DCD, nor did google or wikipedia help.

Just today I and my wife have returned from a meeting at his school where we discuses his progress and try to set in place and IEP (individual education program). New aims and methods of achieving these aims were also discussed.

Within these aims and methods a new suggestion was brought to the table which is why I post here. I would like other people’s opinion on this before I commit myself to it.

Basically it was called “the circle of friends". It was the first time I have ever heard of this but from what I am told works on the principle of telling my sons class about his condition. From this then comes the circle of friends whereby selected pupils will help my son with such skills as social interaction, motivation and concentration. The aim being two fold, 1) to help my son to develop greater social skills, greater understanding of body language and offer support. 2) The pupils themselves with develop a greater understanding of this disorder and my son’s condition.
I have never heard anything about "the circle of friends". But that doesn't mean much since i wasn't diagnosed till i was 13-14 years old. I always had many friends, an i now work with the ages 14-16+. So i might just not have heard about it.

That said, the approach, as you describe it, is one i have used myself, and still use myself, to some degree.

I have always been totally open about who i am, and that i have asperger autism. I feel this gives me some more room to navigate. I have never noticed anything bad about this approach personally. Please note the keyword "noticed".

I may have scared people away with this, and not noticed, people may have a different attitude towards me, and i don't notice. I can't say. I know this may be the case, but i feel ignorance is bliss in this case.

I feel it is impossible to say if the idea is good or bad. Depending on your son, and his school mates, it may be a great idea, or it may be a horrible idea. It is impossible for me to know.

But i can say one thing.

It is paramount, absolutely paramount that you talk to your son about this, and hear his thoughts. If he doesn't want to do this he will block, and nothing will be gained. If he is indifferent then i can offer no suggestions. If he wants to do it then i think you should let him do it.

I believe it should be his choice.

This, of course, assumes that your son knows about his asperger diagnosis.
Since he has the diagnosis aspergers he can't be mentally retarded(in the medical sense of the word of course.) so he should be able to form an opinion on the matter. IMO. That would depend on his personality.

But i, in any and all cases, feel that he should be part of any choice regarding anything that happens concerning his diagnosis. At the very least he should be informed, but it is much better if he participates.

I have reservations about it myself, I can see the up side to it, I can see the benefit all round. But I can also see the flip side whereby my son who is 10, could be singled out. This is something we have desperately tried to avoid.

Anyways if anybody could offer an opinion I would be grateful.

As for these magic cures, scams and whatever, I wish, there really was a magic pill. There isn't. The only thing there is is patience, dedication and the love of your child

I have never felt singled out because of my autism, ever. Doesn't mean i haven't been singled out, just that i have never noticed. Take it for what it is. :)

I hope some of my vague post is of use.

Sincerely
Tobias

[Boo]

Toby,

You are my hero!


StateofGrace,

Check your PM's.


Boo

[TobiasTheCommie]

Toby,

You are my hero!


StateofGrace,

Check your PM's.


Boo
* TobiasTheCommie purrs.

thanks Boo
ts

[stateofgrace]

TobiasTheCommie

Yes we have talked to our son about his about his aspersers and DCD (Developmental Coordination Disorder).

http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/de...n_disorder.htm (http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/developmental_coordination_disorder.htm)

Coupled together this makes my son very clumsy and accident prone. Equally concerning he has very poor social interaction skills, is unable to read other peoples moods, thoughts or body language.

The circle of friends program is new in the UK and from what we have told today is designed to help. It is a program whereby my son would not be aware it is going on around him. It was described to us that his class would be informed of his condition and as such the pupils would be made aware by the school staff why he sometimes acts out of tune. They would try to lay out my son’s condition, without him being present and from this point the circle would develop.

It would basically consist of "little helpers" (I say this very nice way), helping him address things that many of us take for granted. Most of us know how to read body langue, motivation and interact socially. This unfortunate my son has difficulty with and as such can come across as being different. It is felt that it would not only help my son but those pupils around him to understand the difficulties.

I value your opinion on informing him and asking his opinion on this matter and as such no further decision will be made upon this until we do.

Thank you for taking the time and thank you for your informed opinion.

Boo, thanks for the PM and your support.

stateofgrace

[TobiasTheCommie]

The circle of friends program is new in the UK and from what we have told today is designed to help. It is a program whereby my son would not be aware it is going on around him.

I disagree with that approach, but only because i feel it will be better if he knows, i think he will earn more. That is just a personal opinion.


I value your opinion on informing him and asking his opinion on this matter and as such no further decision will be made upon this until we do.

But, that would be in contradiction with the program specifications.
I think that before you talk to him about it you should talk to the school and say you would rather have him know about it(if that is how you feel) and ask them how that would work with their program.

It would be sad to undermine the program, which it wouldn't be if the other participants of it agree to him knowing about it.

I feel it is a much better approach, but i'm not the one doing the program so you should run it through them before doing anything that could undermine it.

Sincerely
Tobias

Yeah, i know i am contradicting myself. :)

[kmortis]

TobiasTheCommie

Yes we have talked to our son about his about his aspersers and DCD (Developmental Coordination Disorder).

http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/de...n_disorder.htm (http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/developmental_coordination_disorder.htm)

Coupled together this makes my son very clumsy and accident prone. Equally concerning he has very poor social interaction skills, is unable to read other peoples moods, thoughts or body language.

The circle of friends program is new in the UK and from what we have told today is designed to help. It is a program whereby my son would not be aware it is going on around him. It was described to us that his class would be informed of his condition and as such the pupils would be made aware by the school staff why he sometimes acts out of tune. They would try to lay out my son’s condition, without him being present and from this point the circle would develop.

It would basically consist of "little helpers" (I say this very nice way), helping him address things that many of us take for granted. Most of us know how to read body langue, motivation and interact socially. This unfortunate my son has difficulty with and as such can come across as being different. It is felt that it would not only help my son but those pupils around him to understand the difficulties.

I value your opinion on informing him and asking his opinion on this matter and as such no further decision will be made upon this until we do.

Thank you for taking the time and thank you for your informed opinion.

Boo, thanks for the PM and your support.

stateofgrace

Wow, sounds like Mama Mortis's eldest (Spawn). He's got the trifecta: Apserger's, ADHD and tic disorder (possibly Tourette's, we're not totally sure at the moment; every time I turn around they're finding something new). The younger (Asmodeus) is Bipolar and DCD.

I'm with Toby, I've never heard of the "circle of friends", but we homeschool him, so, we miss out on a lot of the latest fads in sped. Also, like Toby, I have to agree that getting buy-in from your son is the way to go. It might not necessarilly help, but it definately won't hurt. I dunno, from you description, it sounds ok...Right now both boys are in OT. Spawn seems to be responding to it ok; Asmodeus...not so much. I think that's more due to bipolar than DCD.

All I can say is good luck to you, keep your cool and remember that there's a few of us out here who either are like your kids or are like you.

[McCulloch]

My twenty three year old son has autism. Because scientists, when they are being honest, have to admit that they really don't know what autism is.
This gap in our knowledge, attracts the snake oil salesmen. We've seen quite a few cures come and go in the last two decades. I expect to see a few more.

[ExtremeSkeptic]

There is no cure because autism isn't a disease, they choose to be that way. Autistics are the most intelligent people in the world but tests fail to measure it. The tests aren't intelligent in the first place because nobody knows what true intelligence is except for the autistics themselves.

[kmortis]

There is no cure because autism isn't a disease, they choose to be that way. Autistics are the most intelligent people in the world but tests fail to measure it. The tests aren't intelligent in the first place because nobody knows what true intelligence is except for the autistics themselves.

No, Autists fall along a normal distribution of intelligence. They don't respond to stimuli the same way as a non-Autist. That's all. Toby, Spawn (my kid) and the Booling all fall toward the high end of the intelligence and functioning scale. There are some who are far worse off. One of my friend's daughter's is prfoundly Aspergers. I'll admit, even with my experience with Spawn, it's hard to interact with her. Then there's the cases that Dr. Sacks writes about. People who are so profoundly affected that they cannot ever really integrate themselves into society. Yes, they have specific talents which seem remarkable, but the rest of the brain is so mangled that it's difficult to consider them intelligent by any measure.

Kind of like the rest of society, really.

I do agree with your first part, in spirit, though. It's not really a disease. Just a "miswiring" of the brain. It may become possible, in the future, to "fix" this "miswiring", then again, it might not.

The treatment comes in in teaching the Autist to be able to cope with a non-Autistic world. Granted, there is a bit of the reverse (getting the non-Autistic world able to cope with the Autists amngst them), but that's a much, much longer road.

[Dancing David]

I don't suppose you have met too many people with apervasive developmental disorder, some are very intelligent, some are not.

Autism is not a disease it is a devolpmental disorder, which means that an organism develps differently than the standard model, there are a large number of 'low functioning' people with autism as well.

lets try this shall we and choose an unrealated developmental disorder:

"There is no cure because Down's syndrome isn't a disease, they choose to be that way. Down's syndrome people are the most intelligent people in the world but tests fail to measure it. The tests aren't intelligent in the first place because nobody knows what true intelligence is except for the Down's syndome people themselves."

[NoZed Avenger]

From my site http://www.autismmyths.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=24

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We have yet another fake cure for autism. As this quote says it is indeed impossible.


Yeoman's work, TtC.

[TobiasTheCommie]

Yeoman's work, TtC.

I have no idea what that means.. But being who i am i first pester people (in this case Terry), and the investigate.


'Yeoman work' or 'yeoman service' is simply good, honest, hard work. A yeoman was a class of farmer, above a labourer but below a land-owner - a tenant farmer - who had (has) a reputation for hard toil.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/44/messages/54.html

Oh, why, thank you. :blush:

[Glen.Nogami]

"Choose" to be that way? Are you suggesting that autism occurs because of some sort of conscious choice? I'm a bit uninformed, but that was not my perception of the condition at all.

[TobiasTheCommie]

"Choose" to be that way? Are you suggesting that autism occurs because of some sort of conscious choice? I'm a bit uninformed, but that was not my perception of the condition at all.

Yeah, i didn't bother to respond since Dancing David did so perfectly in post 27. :)

[ExtremeSkeptic]

"Choose" to be that way? Are you suggesting that autism occurs because of some sort of conscious choice?

Yes, but it's not a conscious choice until you figure it out by yourself.

"I'm a bit uninformed, but that was not my perception of the condition at all.
People have a different perception of reality.


One of my friend's daughter's is prfoundly Aspergers. I'll admit, even with my experience with Spawn, it's hard to interact with her. Imagine a normal human living in a world with monkeys. Eventually the human will start ignoring the monkeys. The monkeys will then see that something is wrong and will say that the human has a mental disorder and will study it to find a cure.

If someone is far more intelligent than another, nobody will know except the people with the same intelligence. I know autistic people who could score maximum on all IQ tests but they don't care because the tests are as stupid as the people who made them.

[toddjh]

Wow, this really opened my eyes. I was just about to consciously choose to not be autistic anymore, but then I thought, why would I want to give up my superintelligence?

It took me an hour to figure out how to replace a burnt-out brake light bulb on my car today, so I bet it would take a normie months!

[TobiasTheCommie]

Yes, but it's not a conscious choice until you figure it out by yourself.


People have a different perception of reality.


Imagine a normal human living in a world with monkeys. Eventually the human will start ignoring the monkeys. The monkeys will then see that something is wrong and will say that the human has a mental disorder and will study it to find a cure.

If someone is far more intelligent than another, nobody will know except the people with the same intelligence. I know autistic people who could score maximum on all IQ tests but they don't care because the tests are as stupid as the people who made them.
wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Wrong.

totally 100% wrong.

Wrong on all possible levels.

wrong.

[kmortis]

"Choose" to be that way? Are you suggesting that autism occurs because of some sort of conscious choice? I'm a bit uninformed, but that was not my perception of the condition at all.

HOLY S:DT!!! How'd I miss that?

Yes, but it's not a conscious choice until you figure it out by yourself.


People have a different perception of reality.


Imagine a normal human living in a world with monkeys. Eventually the human will start ignoring the monkeys. The monkeys will then see that something is wrong and will say that the human has a mental disorder and will study it to find a cure.

If someone is far more intelligent than another, nobody will know except the people with the same intelligence. I know autistic people who could score maximum on all IQ tests but they don't care because the tests are as stupid as the people who made them.
Um...ok...Mr. Weird Person, um, no. Just no.

As I said before, Autists will fall along a normal distribution of intelligence. So far, no link between intelligence and Ausitism has been found, either boosting it or hampering it. Some will be percieved as "slow" because the educational systems aren't setup to educate a person with Autism, but that person can learn, it just has to be presented differently.

[Dancing David]

If someone is far more intelligent than another, nobody will know except the people with the same intelligence. I know autistic people who could score maximum on all IQ tests but they don't care because the tests are as stupid as the people who made them.


And unfortunatly you have described the high fuctioning end of autism, there are those who can't provide for thier basic self care and well being, you have over genralised from one end of a spectrum to the whole of the spectrum.

And how did these people recieve thier diagnosis, did they have difficulty in aquiring language prior to the age of three, or is this retrospective diagnosis?

[kittykatkarma]

Thank you TobiasTheCommie, kmortis, and Dancing David for keeping to facts and posting useful information.

My son is autistic and if it were possible for him to choose NOT to be autistic, I'm sure that he would. But it isn't a switch that can be flipped on or off. He has very real pervasive developmental disorders, and we work daily to overcome them.

I agree with Tobias with regard to the circle of friends concept. ~ It is a program whereby my son would not be aware it is going on around him. It was described to us that his class would be informed of his condition and as such the pupils would be made aware by the school staff why he sometimes acts out of tune.
My son is 12 and he's been attending school with the same group of kids since the first grade, for the most part. So they know that he's different and don't need to be told. He knows that he is autistic and because all along we have worked to identify the situations that cause him difficulty in fitting into the social norm, he is better equipped to manage these situations on his own. He has learned over years and years of teaching the same thing, how to respond accordingly. Very basic example - rather than becoming frustrated and pitching a fit because he is confused with the teachers instruction, he takes a deep breathe and raises his hand. He knows the correct socially accepted response... and he has learned more from direct instruction. For my son, it is the subtle social indicators that he does not pick up on.

I have a few concerns that come to mind when I think of the circle of friends concept.
1. - The classmates who will be told, do you know them? Will you get to meet with them and their parents? Are they "normal"?
2. - Special education is expensive. Is this an attempt to compensate for the lack of needed funding to provide autistic kids the special attention they need? How can a 10 or 12 year old be considered qualified for the role as it was described? Who determines who is qualified to be among the circle of friends?

At a minimum, ask as many questions as you can. This is your child.

[Eos of the Eons]

Seems we have a new troll, who can't possibly be serious. Nobody could be that ignorant and be able to type. Mind you, somebody at work did tell me I was lucky to have a schizophrenic mom since schizophrenics can talk to angels. So who really knows?

Otherwise, I've been watching this thread because of the great info in it. Great work guys, I'm glued to the screen.

[ExtremeSkeptic]

And unfortunatly you have described the high fuctioning end of autism, there are those who can't provide for thier basic self care and well being, you have over genralised from one end of a spectrum to the whole of the spectrum.
High functioning isn't intelligence, it's completely the opposite. People fail to realize that. Autistics who "can't" take care of themselves don't want to because it is stupid.


My son is autistic and if it were possible for him to choose NOT to be autistic, I'm sure that he would. But it isn't a switch that can be flipped on or off. He has very real pervasive developmental disorders, and we work daily to overcome them.
I didn't want to be like that as well and wanted it to go away, the problem is I forgot why I chose to be that way. But after 20+ years I realized that is exactly how I should have been to avoid conflicts with stupid people. You can't fight with everyone and try to prove them you are right all the time. It's like teaching a color blind person about colors. It's the same with autistic vs human, the humans just won't understand so the autistic keeps his mouth shut.

I have been "asleep" my whole life but now I have started my awakening process to prepare for our invasion, I didn't know my mission until I was ready to know it. When I knew it I also realized that being disguised as autistic is exactly what I would have done. I have chosen this myself.

When the time comes, autistics will wake up. We are going to change the world.

[Silly Green Monkey]

:eye-poppi

[Eos of the Eons]

Ugh. What are you? A scientologist? We just gotta chase those thetans from the minds of autistics, and they will all turn into Einstein.It's like teaching a color blind person about colors.

Ironically, you got that right. The person doesn't have the physical make up to see the colors. The autistic persons have deficiences in some areas, and not in others because of their brain development being different. the humans just won't understand so the autistic keeps his mouth shut.


No, some autistics have a problem with language development, and don't understand communication the way we do. I can get an low functioning autistic to parrot the current date. A year later he will parrot THAT date instead of the current one.

Not all cases of autism are the same. Aspergers is different than Fragile X. Can't lump all autistics in one basket. I have been "asleep" my whole life but now I have started my awakening process to prepare for our invasion,

Now I know you aren't being serious. Just here to stir the pot and post stupid things. Nice. Shows that you can't hold down an intelligent discussion, and would prefer to act like an eeeediot.

[Roadtoad]

If there were some way to actually nominate the whole of Tobias The Commies posts, I'd do it. Brilliant stuff, and worth reading, not only because of what he has to say about Autism, but about his use of the Scientific Method.

A few things came to me as I read through the link in the OP:

1.) My youngest son has ADHD. At this point, there is no cure. When they claim there is a 70% cure rate using Homeopathy for ADHD, I want to know what they're using for baseline, I want to know what they consider a "cure." How has this been documented? With anecdotes? Or with actual scientific evaluation?

The Homeopaths have a lot against them on this, particularly their own reputation. Randi himself has pointed out how they've used deception to bolster their claims.

2.) Another point that comes to mind is that by their own admission, results are not necessarily repeatable. There are so many individual formulae that could be used in this, you could literally spend years trying to "cure" an autistic child.

3.) The recommendation is that you stick with a "classically trained Homeopath" for at least a year. If you get no results, then what? You've wasted how much money, and how much time, trying to help your child? This is time which could have been better spent using a more proven treatment program.

This whole thing reminds me of something I read years and years ago by Donald Katz in Rolling Stone, an article titled "The Children With the Faraway Eyes." In it, he describes the teachings of Bruno Bettleheim (?), aka "Bruno Brutalheim," and how his bizarre teachings led to far worse situations for Autistic kids. I read articles like the one cited, and I am scared, right down to my socks.

ETA: Please, folks, reread Fowlsound's essay, "Doing the Least to Save Your Life."

[ExtremeSkeptic]

Ugh. What are you? A scientologist? We just gotta chase those thetans from the minds of autistics, and they will all turn into Einstein.Einstein was stupid compared to them because he was high functioning.

Ironically, you got that right. The person doesn't have the physical make up to see the colors. The autistic persons have deficiences in some areas, and not in others because of their brain development being different.It is the humans who have the deficiencies.

No, some autistics have a problem with language development, and don't understand communication the way we do. I can get an low functioning autistic to parrot the current date. A year later he will parrot THAT date instead of the current one.
The human form of communication is primitive and limited. You can only communicate one line of thought at the same time instead of many complex ones at once. This is why autistics give up early in their lives because the humans can never understand them.


Not all cases of autism are the same. Aspergers is different than Fragile X. Can't lump all autistics in one basket. Something can be so complex that you think they are different even when they are not. They all have a purpose and they all need to have different skills to focus on. When you add them all together it becomes one big and complex mind.

Now I know you aren't being serious. Just here to stir the pot and post stupid things. Nice. Shows that you can't hold down an intelligent discussion, and would prefer to act like an eeeediot.
A person who can't understand something never perceives it correctly.

[TobiasTheCommie]

It's the same with autistic vs human
Did you just say people with autism aren't humans.

That has to be the most bigoted and retarded thing ever.

The rest of your post is just wrong wrong wrong, but other people have already shown you that, and you don't appear to offer any real replies so i fail to see why i should make an effort to point them out once more.

But please, are you claiming that people with autism aren't human?

And why on earth do you claim to have autism?

[tkingdoll]

:boxedin: As a 'human', I don't want to die when the autists turn on me. Save yourselves! Human women and children first! Rain Man is coming!

[Hawk one]

If there were some way to actually nominate the whole of Tobias The Commies posts, I'd do it.

Nominating a string of posts if this feels natural is entirely possible and eligible. Most famous example is that the 3 Word Story thread in the Humour section got such a "bulk" nomination.

And once in the past, a poster made several posts on the same, specific subject, in the same thread. Different posts were nominated separately, but I made the decision that since they were all about the same subject (and in the same thread), I'd put up links to them all, and make that count as one poll option. I also included an excerpt from one of the posts, of course.

It takes a little more work, but it's entirely possible.

Of course, you still need to bribe me to get it through to the finals.

[TobiasTheCommie]

Einstein was stupid compared to them because he was high functioning.
Evidence of your statement being true?

It is the humans who have the deficiencies.
Evidence?

The human form of communication is primitive and limited. You can only communicate one line of thought at the same time instead of many complex ones at once. This is why autistics give up early in their lives because the humans can never understand them.
I am sorry, that is just wrong. People with autism communicate on one level, and one level alone. People without autism works in 4+ different layers and communicate a lot more information than people without autism.

ETA: That is of course till tone of voice, and facial expresions, body language, etc. has been learned.

[Eos of the Eons]

When you add them all together it becomes one big and complex mind.
Seems our troll is a star trek fan. Hive mentality, like the borg. Yes, I get it, the autistics are the borg, that is why they aren't "human".

Very funny, not. Can we stop feeding the troll now? I'm sure making fun of autism should not be tolerated.

[luchog]

Seems we have a new troll, who can't possibly be serious. Nobody could be that ignorant and be able to type. Mind you, somebody at work did tell me I was lucky to have a schizophrenic mom since schizophrenics can talk to angels. So who really knows?

Actually, he can be serious. He sounds far too much like a local nutjob who has been preaching this same kind of crap on some of the local webboards. He's definitely autistic, though not as severely as he claims, and uses his autism as an excuse, thinking that gives him the right to be a complete and total jackass git.

Hey Beanhead, is that you?

[kittynh]

Tobias, I love you. Can I adopt you?

In other words, YOU ROCK!!!!

[ExtremeSkeptic]

Did you just say people with autism aren't humans.

That has to be the most bigoted and retarded thing ever.

The rest of your post is just wrong wrong wrong, but other people have already shown you that, and you don't appear to offer any real replies so i fail to see why i should make an effort to point them out once more.

But please, are you claiming that people with autism aren't human?

And why on earth do you claim to have autism?
Yes. I am as much human as you are the car you drive.

Evidence of your statement being true?

Einstein "invented" stupid things.


Evidence?
Their thought is limited to the limit of their communication.

I am sorry, that is just wrong. People with autism communicate on one level, and one level alone. People without autism works in 4+ different layers and communicate a lot more information than people without autism.

ETA: That is of course till tone of voice, and facial expresions, body language, etc. has been learned.
The layering that consists of the 5 human senses is a primitive form of communication. It isn't complex.


Seems our troll is a star trek fan. Hive mentality, like the borg. Yes, I get it, the autistics are the borg, that is why they aren't "human".

Very funny, not. Can we stop feeding the troll now? I'm sure making fun of autism should not be tolerated.I never watch Star Trek and I don't care if you think I'm a troll.
If you can't accept all possibilities you can't accept truth.

[TobiasTheCommie]

Tobias, I love you. Can I adopt you?

In other words, YOU ROCK!!!!
:blush:

[TobiasTheCommie]

Yes. I am as much human as you are the car you drive.


Einstein "invented" stupid things.


Their thought is limited to the limit of their communication.


The layering that consists of the 5 human senses is a primitive form of communication. It isn't complex.


I never watch Star Trek and I don't care if you think I'm a troll.
If you can't accept all possibilities you can't accept truth.

That made no sense what so ever. None of it.

Please either refrain from making these false statements, or support with facts.
For the love of god and everything decent, your nick is extremeskeptic, try to be skeptic of your own claims.

[kittynh]

have you ever met any autistic people? Like more than one?

They love, have compassion, laugh (a lot), think, help..

heck, many autistic people have added not only to our knowledge, but to our very safely.

My hero is Temple Grandin. And when I met her, I was surprised how very able she was to pick up on some very subtle emotions. Something happened, that just blew me away. I was in tears. If anyone dares to say that those with autism aren't "human", or "like the rest of us" (define normal?)...well, they haven't made the effort to meet and know people with autism. don't go with the tv show definition. Go with reality.

[Roadtoad]

I never watch Star Trek and I don't care if you think I'm a troll.
If you can't accept all possibilities you can't accept truth.

On the contrary: part of the task of getting to the truth is eliminating not only the impossible, but the absurd and the improbable. One of the reasons I admire Eos is her ability to do just that, and to do it well.

The problem with trolls such as yourself is that their chief goal seems to be confusion of the issue for no other reason than to draw attention to themselves. As someone who is supposedly autistic, I would think you would be offended by the very idea that you are somehow less than human. Instead, you have chosen to engage in this form of mental masturbation, which detracts from the very solid and useful information which Tobias has been posting. Frankly, I consider that shameful.

People like yourself have already endured incredible misery because of the short sightedness of bigoted and cowardly people. That you would contribute to it is sad. That you refuse to see the incredible damage you are doing with this behavior is makes it far worse.

Glad you don't care if people think you're a troll. You are, so it won't cause you any pain for me to reiterate it. Welcome to Ignore.

[JackPT]

They love, have compassion, laugh (a lot), think, help..

In my experience the personality of autistic people is as varied as people in general. There are autistic good guys, and non autistic good guys. There are autistic a-holes, and non autistic a-holes. I think, mostly, personality is distinct from the type of brain a person has ;-). I think stereotypes are often a very bad thing.

[TobiasTheCommie]

have you ever met any autistic people? Like more than one?

They love, have compassion, laugh (a lot), think, help..

heck, many autistic people have added not only to our knowledge, but to our very safely.

My hero is Temple Grandin. And when I met her, I was surprised how very able she was to pick up on some very subtle emotions. Something happened, that just blew me away. I was in tears. If anyone dares to say that those with autism aren't "human", or "like the rest of us" (define normal?)...well, they haven't made the effort to meet and know people with autism. don't go with the tv show definition. Go with reality.

If you go read the last sentence of his first post in this thread you will see that he claims to have autism.



When the time comes, autistics will wake up. We are going to change the world.

[Eos of the Eons]

Folks like Tobias and many others on the boards will change the world for the better, and have already in many personal cases.

Trolls on the other hand remind us why Tobias et al are true heros. They give us faith in the world and help us to ignore loser trolls that try to make humanity look bad.

[tkingdoll]

I never watch Star Trek and I don't care if you think I'm a troll.
If you can't accept all possibilities you can't accept truth.

Ah. You sure? See, here's the problem: if you are not a troll (i.e. posting deliberately inflammatory comments just to cause trouble) then your ideas (that autists aren't human, and that you will someday rule the world) indicate that you are

completely and utterly insane, and therefore not fit to be debating.

In which case, you should stop posting here immediately and seek the help of professionals. And possibly you should inform the forum admin of your mental health issues so they can best decide if being responded to by other members poses a risk to your already fragile state.

Myself, I'd rather be thought of as a deliberate troll than a maniac, but to each their own.

[ExtremeSkeptic]

That made no sense what so ever. None of it.
What I said made perfect sense to the one with high enough intelligence to understand it. Further explanation is useless because they won't understand it anyway.



Please either refrain from making these false statements, or support with facts.

Proof is the proof of stupidity.

For the love of god and everything decent, your nick is extremeskeptic, try to be skeptic of your own claims.I don't believe in anything, not even what I'm writing right now. Truth always keeps changing unless you are narrow-minded. You need to accept all possibilities.

If you are narrow-minded you already know everything about everything which means that you don't need to think. Humans acquire knowledge externally (books etc.) and memorize it to their brain which has limited capacity which means that their conclusions will always be wrong. What direction their life takes depends on in which order they acquire the knowledge. It can all be predicted.
Humans don't understand what real thinking is because they have learned everything externally from this world. Autistics do all the complex thinking in another world where the brain isn't the limit. They are borrowing the human vessel and their control of it isn't good because they are in both worlds at the same time. Humans who are high functioning are locked inside their vessel which makes them narrow-minded programmed human plants. They don't know what thinking is because they haven't visited the other world. In that other world there is no linear thinking and storage at all, everything happens at the same time from beginning to end. There is no time limit, it happens instantly.

[Eos of the Eons]

Hmm, this troll is like the "blob". The blob grows the more you feed it. It doesn't change in appearance or any other way, except to get bigger. Blobs are blobby gross goo that eat up attention and goos out waste that is useless, smelly, and ugly. Ew. What a waste of space.

[ExtremeSkeptic]

Hmm, this troll is like the "blob". The blob grows the more you feed it. It doesn't change in appearance or any other way, except to get bigger. Blobs are blobby gross goo that eat up attention and goos out waste that is useless, smelly, and ugly. Ew. What a waste of space.
Humans don't spend enough time thinking because they can't. They only compare it to what is stored inside their brain, if it doesn't match they make an automatic response to justify their ignorance and deficiency. It is programmed and predictable.

If they don't understand something they try to find a cure to bring it back to "normal". It's like opening a door and being afraid to go inside so they destroy the door so nobody else can go inside.
They want the autistics to come to their level because they don't want to feel inferior. It makes them feel proud of themselves because they think they are doing something good to humanity by making everything normal in the way they perceive it. This is similar to cloning yourself because they believe that is how everything should be. They only think of themselves but they can't admit it because then they wouldn't be "happy" anymore. Emotion is something humans have to handle their lack of intelligence. The most intelligent people never show emotion because they know it is stupid.

[Eos of the Eons]

http://www.moveleft.com/vegontv/images/spock_giving_vulcan_salute_286x215.jpg

[Dancing David]

High functioning isn't intelligence, it's completely the opposite. People fail to realize that. Autistics who "can't" take care of themselves don't want to because it is stupid.


I guess we can agree to disagree, how do you feel about running in traffic and getting hit by a car or evn better, hitting a person who is driving at a high rate of speed because of the inability to understand social cues?

Is hitting the driver of the car or shoving someone down stairs because they said "hello" to you a sign of intelligence?

The term intelligence covers many areas of functioning, although you can still make poor choices, generaly threatening oneself or others is or harming self or others is not a sign of clear cognition.

[Dancing David]

Einstein was stupid compared to them because he was high functioning.

It is the humans who have the deficiencies.


The human form of communication is primitive and limited. You can only communicate one line of thought at the same time instead of many complex ones at once. This is why autistics give up early in their lives because the humans can never understand them.

I see so an autistic person is communicating in how many lines when they bang thier head on the wall?



Something can be so complex that you think they are different even when they are not. They all have a purpose and they all need to have different skills to focus on. When you add them all together it becomes one big and complex mind.

woo woo woo woo woo



A person who can't understand something never perceives it correctly.

This shows a serious lack of critical thought.

[Dancing David]

Yes. I am as much human as you are the car you drive.


Einstein "invented" stupid things.


Their thought is limited to the limit of their communication.


The layering that consists of the 5 human senses is a primitive form of communication. It isn't complex.


I never watch Star Trek and I don't care if you think I'm a troll.
If you can't accept all possibilities you can't accept truth.

Ah, an immaterialist with a thought disorder?

[Dancing David]

What I said made perfect sense to the one with high enough intelligence to understand it. Further explanation is useless because they won't understand it anyway.

The classic excuse of the derailed thought with magical expression.

Can't maintain a coherent thought, blame the reader?



Proof is the proof of stupidity.

Woo is the proof of stupidity.



I don't believe in anything, not even what I'm writing right now. Truth always keeps changing unless you are narrow-minded. You need to accept all possibilities.

Uh huh, and that makes reality a merry go round.
have fun!


If you are narrow-minded you already know everything about everything which means that you don't need to think.

that would be your rationale then ,since you understand why don't you educate us, so that we might understand?

Humans acquire knowledge externally (books etc.) and memorize it to their brain which has limited capacity which means that their conclusions will always be wrong. What direction their life takes depends on in which order they acquire the knowledge. It can all be predicted.

More magical thinking.

Humans don't understand what real thinking is because they have learned everything externally from this world. Autistics do all the complex thinking in another world where the brain isn't the limit.

I see, could you wear an orange cone on your head, that way we would know you have a limitless brain.

They are borrowing the human vessel and their control of it isn't good because they are in both worlds at the same time.

I am beigining to definitly think mood or thought disorder.

Humans who are high functioning are locked inside their vessel which makes them narrow-minded programmed human plants. They don't know what thinking is because they haven't visited the other world. In that other world there is no linear thinking and storage at all, everything happens at the same time from beginning to end. There is no time limit, it happens instantly.

Uh huh, please don't jump off any buildings.

[Apathia]

Tobias and other well educated and experienced individuals in the matter of Autism,

I need some clarity here. I know that Autistic people aren't Indigo Kids or something out of Arthur C. Clark's Childhood's End, but beyond that I don't know what Autism is. The definition I learned way decades ago seems to have been tweaked to include a broad range of people, Some of whom have high IQs and high EQ's. I thought it was supposed to be that Autistic children were unable to to function as persons in relationships with other persons, and lacked the ability to be empathetic, or just lacked a whole range of emotional response and subtlety. Yet, I keep reading about kids and adults being diagnosed as Autistic who are as far as I can tell within the parameters of traditional healthy personalities. There was even a friend who insisted I was autistic and should get myself diagnosed as such so I could use it as an advantage in my then futile job search.

What is Autism, really? I read the definitions, but they are so vague and general now that kids who simply aren't "socially well adjusted" are now "Autistic." Please give me some clarity.

[Eos of the Eons]

http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Introduction

Categories of Non-Verbal Disorders (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Categories of Communication Disorders)
Autistic Disorder (Autism) (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Autistic Disorder)
Asperger's Syndrome (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Asperger’s Syndrome)
PDD-NOS (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#PDD-NOS)
Rett's Disorder (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Rett’s Disorder)
Childhood Disintegrative Disorder (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Childhood Disintegrative Disorder)
Non-Verbal Learning Disabilities (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Non-Verbal Learning Disabilities (NVLDs))
Semantic Pragmatic Commun. Disorder (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Semantic-Pragmatic Communication Disorder)
Hyperlexia (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Hyperlexia)
Relationship to ADHD (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#ADHD)
I'm pretty sure things like Fragile X are lumped under autism, and I see PDD above.

This site should be a good start. Then you can ask other questions.

[Apathia]

http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Introduction

Categories of Non-Verbal Disorders (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Categories of Communication Disorders)
Autistic Disorder (Autism) (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Autistic Disorder)
Asperger's Syndrome (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Asperger’s Syndrome)
PDD-NOS (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#PDD-NOS)
Rett's Disorder (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Rett’s Disorder)
Childhood Disintegrative Disorder (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Childhood Disintegrative Disorder)
Non-Verbal Learning Disabilities (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Non-Verbal Learning Disabilities (NVLDs))
Semantic Pragmatic Commun. Disorder (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Semantic-Pragmatic Communication Disorder)
Hyperlexia (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#Hyperlexia)
Relationship to ADHD (http://pediatricneurology.com/autism.htm#ADHD)
I'm pretty sure things like Fragile X are lumped under autism, and I see PDD above.

This site should be a good start. Then you can ask other questions.

Thanks. This is helpful.

[ExtremeSkeptic]

The classic excuse of the derailed thought with magical expression.

Can't maintain a coherent thought, blame the reader?
The opposite is truer. Blame the author for your own lack of understanding.

Uh huh, and that makes reality a merry go round.
have fun!
Fun is emotion which is lack of intelligence.

that would be your rationale then ,since you understand why don't you educate us, so that we might understand?The problems of humanity are not solved by telling them how to do it, but by increasing their intelligence and letting them figure it out by themselves.


More magical thinking.
There is only magic if there is ignorance and stupidity.

I see, could you wear an orange cone on your head, that way we would know you have a limitless brain.
Humans want to laugh to deal with their inferiority and boost up their ego.

I am beigining to definitly think mood or thought disorder.If a human doesn't understand something he calls it a disorder. It's the easy way to handle their ignorance. They want to feel important.

Uh huh, please don't jump off any buildings.
I always clean up after myself. The opposite can be said of humans who constantly pollute the world because they have been taught it is normal. If someone else doesn't do what they do they call it a disorder and want to cure it so the world gets even more polluted.

[TobiasTheCommie]

The opposite is truer. Blame the author for your own lack of understanding.


Fun is emotion which is lack of intelligence.

The problems of humanity are not solved by telling them how to do it, but by increasing their intelligence and letting them figure it out by themselves.



There is only magic if there is ignorance and stupidity.


Humans want to laugh to deal with their inferiority and boost up their ego.

If a human doesn't understand something he calls it a disorder. It's the easy way to handle their ignorance. They want to feel important.


I always clean up after myself. The opposite can be said of humans who constantly pollute the world because they have been taught it is normal. If someone else doesn't do what they do they call it a disorder and want to cure it so the world gets even more polluted.
If you want to spew crap could you please do it in some other place, we are discussing a serious issue here and you are just muddying the waters.

[ExtremeSkeptic]

If you want to spew crap could you please do it in some other place, we are discussing a serious issue here and you are just muddying the waters.
Something is only muddy for those who don't understand it. When you put on the glasses you will see it isn't blurry anymore. There is complexity within that blurriness that you failed the see before. The problem is that humans don't have those glasses, they have a deficiency which keeps them from understanding us.
Humans think they know everything if they ignore things they don't understand. They get defensive and their anger grows the more they realize that they may not know everything after all. The more truth is shown the more emotional they get because that's their way of handling the truth.

[TobiasTheCommie]

Something is only muddy for those who don't understand it. When you put on the glasses you will see it isn't blurry anymore. There is complexity within that blurriness that you failed the see before. The problem is that humans don't have those glasses, they have a deficiency which keeps them from understanding us.
Humans think they know everything if they ignore things they don't understand. They get defensive and their anger grows the more they realize that they may not know everything after all. The more truth is shown the more emotional they get because that's their way of handling the truth.
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

You are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

On all possible levels and in all possible ways you are 100% wrong.

totally wrong. completely wrong.

[ExtremeSkeptic]

have you ever met any autistic people? Like more than one?
All autistics I have met are one of the most intelligent people in the world. And all autistics they have met are that as well.

They love, have compassion, laugh (a lot), think, help..

heck, many autistic people have added not only to our knowledge, but to our very safely.Those autistics are brainwashed by humanity and are harder to get back because their intelligence has been reduced.

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Wrong.

totally 100% wrong.

Wrong on all possible levels.

wrong.
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

You are wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

On all possible levels and in all possible ways you are 100% wrong.

totally wrong. completely wrong.The more you believe in something the further you are from the real truth.
The deeper you go the more you want it to be true and the harder it is to turn back.

[TobiasTheCommie]

All autistics I have met are one of the most intelligent people in the world. And all autistics they have met are that as well.

Those autistics are brainwashed by humanity and are harder to get back because their intelligence has been reduced.


The more you believe in something the further you are from the real truth.
The deeper you go the more you want it to be true and the harder it is to turn back.
And why would i be further from the truth than you are?

[ExtremeSkeptic]

And why would i be further from the truth than you are?
Predictions are only accurate if you have already experienced it yourself. Believing that someone else hasn't experienced what you have is narrow-minded and egoistic. I accept the possibility that others have experienced what I have and even more.

There are humans who think they are special and want to make a difference. They are afraid that their knowledge gets lost and want to share it to everyone. But that is only important in a limited way of thinking.
There are many who have destroyed their "important" research because eventually they realized it all didn't really matter. It was the journey that mattered and they don't want to remove it from others because the journey is the only way to understand the end result.

The known discoveries of humanity aren't really the biggest discoveries at all. They were done by humans with lack of intelligence who wanted to brag to others what they just found. The true discoveries have already been done and nobody knows about them or who found them.

[nails3jesus0]

my sister has aspergers and its caused her a lot of trouble. Im sure she will be thrilled to know she chose to be that way. :rolleyes:

[TobiasTheCommie]

Predictions are only accurate if you have already experienced it yourself. Believing that someone else hasn't experienced what you have is narrow-minded and egoistic. I accept the possibility that others have experienced what I have and even more.
Aren't you contradicting yourself quite a bit there?

There are humans who think they are special and want to make a difference. They are afraid that their knowledge gets lost and want to share it to everyone. But that is only important in a limited way of thinking.
There are many who have destroyed their "important" research because eventually they realized it all didn't really matter. It was the journey that mattered and they don't want to remove it from others because the journey is the only way to understand the end result.

The known discoveries of humanity aren't really the biggest discoveries at all. They were done by humans with lack of intelligence who wanted to brag to others what they just found. The true discoveries have already been done and nobody knows about them or who found them.
That didn't answer my question.

besides for that you are wrong
wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Wrong.

totally 100% wrong.

Wrong on all possible levels.

wrong.


You are wrong. You are not right. The statement you made has no truth to it whatsoever. Your statement is inconsistent with the actual universe. You have not given accurate information. The information is, in fact, innacurate in every way. On a scale of 0 to 100, your statement has a truth value of 0. No aspect of it is consistent with any aspect of the world. You have failed fully and completely to make a truthful statement. You are the most wrong that wrong can be. Your statement is the definitive false statement by which all other falsities may be measured. If I were grading your work, you would fail by all measures.

You. Are. Wrong. (Loss Leader©)


And why would i be further from the truth than you are?

[ExtremeSkeptic]

Aren't you contradicting yourself quite a bit there?

If you don't contradict yourself you are narrow-minded.

That didn't answer my question.

besides for that you are wrong
wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Wrong.

totally 100% wrong.

Wrong on all possible levels.

wrong.


You are wrong. You are not right. The statement you made has no truth to it whatsoever. Your statement is inconsistent with the actual universe. You have not given accurate information. The information is, in fact, innacurate in every way. On a scale of 0 to 100, your statement has a truth value of 0. No aspect of it is consistent with any aspect of the world. You have failed fully and completely to make a truthful statement. You are the most wrong that wrong can be. Your statement is the definitive false statement by which all other falsities may be measured. If I were grading your work, you would fail by all measures.

You. Are. Wrong. (Loss Leader©)


And why would i be further from the truth than you are?
Because you still have a website. I have removed mine and all research, it is not important even if you think it is.

[TobiasTheCommie]

If you don't contradict yourself you are narrow-minded.


Because you still have a website. I have removed mine and all research, it is not important even if you think you do.

so because someone has a website they are further from the truth than you..

DOES NOT COMPUTE..

That makes no sense, at all, what so ever..

Honestly, leave this thread alone and go see a specialist about your delusions of grandeur.

[ExtremeSkeptic]

so because someone has a website they are further from the truth than you..

DOES NOT COMPUTE..

That makes no sense, at all, what so ever..
Eventually the time comes when one realizes that everything he did was pointless. But until that happens he wants to believe there is a purpose in life for him. He wants to feel like everything is fate, that's what keeps him going.


Honestly, leave this thread alone and go see a specialist about your delusions of grandeur.This thread is for those who want to find a cure for autism. But first they need to find if it's a disease or not. For humans everything that isn't yourself is a disease and the only way to cure it is to make it more like yourself, the best way to do that is to clone yourself. But since they are narrow-minded they fail to realize that they could be the disease themselves, they are the ones that need to be cured.

Parents with autistic children want other "normal" children than what they have but can't admit it. If they really like their child they wouldn't try to cure it unless the child wants to. The parents really need to listen to their child instead of telling them they are wrong all the time. That's the reason why they go "asleep" and stop communicating.

[TobiasTheCommie]

Eventually the time comes when one realizes that everything he did was pointless. But until that happens he wants to believe there is a purpose in life for him. He wants to feel like everything is fate, that's what keeps him going.


This thread is for those who want to find a cure for autism. But first they need to find if it's a disease or not. For humans everything that isn't yourself is a disease and the only way to cure it is to make it more like yourself, the best way to do that is to clone yourself. But since they are narrow-minded they fail to realize that they could be the disease themselves, they are the ones that need to be cured.

Parents with autistic children want other "normal" children than what they have but can't admit it. If they really like their child they wouldn't try to cure it unless the child wants to. The parents really need to listen to their child instead of telling them they are wrong all the time. That's the reason why they go "asleep" and stop communicating.
Well, what you are saying has no basis in science, medicine, or fact, and you are polluting this thread with it. If you want to state your flawed opinion, could you please do it in your own thread instead of undermining this one.

[Cuddles]

Beer Batter (http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/beerbatter_7193.shtml)

Ingredients
250g/8oz plain flour
60g/2oz cornflour
300ml/10fl oz sparkling ale
300ml/10fl oz soda water

Method
1. Place the flours in a large bowl and whisk together.
2. Add the beer and soda water and mix to incorporate.
3. Whisk vigorously to get rid of any lumps.
4. Let stand for 10 minutes and then whisk again for 30 seconds.
5. If for some reason there are still lumps, simply strain them out.
6. The batter will fry crisper if no salt is added and it is not refrigerated.

[Victor Meldrew]

Children, now now.....

can we stop the arguing please?

This is a fascinating and enlightening thread, with much valuable information, that is being taken over by someone who is a complete idiot.

And by arguing and answering back, you are letting him spout his irrelevant views, again and again.

May I suggest that, if WE ALL IGNORE HIM, he will go away and annoy someone else?

Please don't let the troll ruin this thread!

[kmortis]

:boxedin: As a 'human', I don't want to die when the autists turn on me. Save yourselves! Human women and children first! Rain Man is coming!

I hear that he's an excellent driver....

[Dancing David]

Beer Batter (http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/beerbatter_7193.shtml)

Ingredients
250g/8oz plain flour
60g/2oz cornflour
300ml/10fl oz sparkling ale
300ml/10fl oz soda water

Method
1. Place the flours in a large bowl and whisk together.
2. Add the beer and soda water and mix to incorporate.
3. Whisk vigorously to get rid of any lumps.
4. Let stand for 10 minutes and then whisk again for 30 seconds.
5. If for some reason there are still lumps, simply strain them out.
6. The batter will fry crisper if no salt is added and it is not refrigerated.


Do you shave the kittens first or does the fur help the batter to stick!

David's Refried Beans:

Can use canned beans, canned refried beans or cooked dry beans. Pintos are best.

one medium onion, preferably yellow
three cloves(the small sub section of the garlic) garlic
one can beans or 1-1/2 cups cooked dry beans
1-2 tbs. olive oil
1/4 to one tsp. cumin
1/4 to one tsp chile power
1/4 cup lemon juice
1/4 broth/,vegetable prefered (optional)

1.Heat pan (low to medium heat), add cool oil to pan
2. Add onions and cook until lightly brown and translucent.
3. Add garlic and cook until garlic begins to brown.
4. Add beans to oil and vegetables.
5. Stir lightly unril beans are softened.
6. Add lemon juice, cumin, chili powder and broth.
7. Continue over low heat, covered or uncovered , stirring often enough to keep beans from burning, until beans thicken. Mash beans with spatula if using cooked dry beans.

[kmortis]

Do you shave the kittens first or does the fur help the batter to stick!



I shave them. How else are you to come out with a nice crispy skin?


That refer beans looks good. Did ya submit it to Luke's cook book?

[NoZed Avenger]

Yes. I am as much human as you are the car you drive.



This is the only claim of yours that I actually buy.

Anyone that writes the stuff listed above under your name is not, in a very true sense, human.

[luchog]

Well, what you are saying has no basis in science, medicine, or fact, and you are polluting this thread with it. If you want to state your flawed opinion, could you please do it in your own thread instead of undermining this one.

I noticed that he never responded to my post. That makes me all the more suspicious. I don't suppose any of the mods would want to tell me if the guy's logging in from an IP in the Pacific Northwest. :D

[BPScooter]

Hi all, this is indeed an interesting topic to me.

What criteria are used to define a human as "autistic" ?
Nowadays.

I have a small young human freind who often plays when she is expected to look sharp. She doesn't have physical or cognitive indicators of "less than normal." She is Seven (7) years old. Her life is indeed challenged by family instabilities, these are sociologially cataloged: working mother, gloomy dad who got a DWI and is jail, etc. [this is not my family, really, friends of Mrs. Scooter].

The kid has been noted, as a girl, for ADD or something (girls look off into space, boys run around). They tried a drug. The drug didn't help, but thankfully didn't hurt.

Is she autistic? How do you know and who do you trust? Teachers out here, shall we say, lack nuance when dealing with kids. Put up or shut up tends to be the accepted way of handling children that fail to meet "norms."

Who made the "norms"? Why am I paying their salaries, by paying high taxes, if they don't appear responsive to the needs of non-normative kids? If teaching school was as easy as a factory job, then bully for teacher unions. Standardize the product all around. But human kids aren't bricks, or widgets, or lab rats; teachers need a lot more nimble and humane thinking to be a success nowadays. Maybe it was ever such.

I have no instant solutions, nor do I expect any. Let's keep giving the kids an even break, they will outlive us.

[Dancing David]

Hi all, this is indeed an interesting topic to me.

What criteria are used to define a human as "autistic" ?
Nowadays.

I have a small young human freind who often plays when she is expected to look sharp. She doesn't have physical or cognitive indicators of "less than normal." She is Seven (7) years old. Her life is indeed challenged by family instabilities, these are sociologially cataloged: working mother, gloomy dad who got a DWI and is jail, etc. [this is not my family, really, friends of Mrs. Scooter].

The kid has been noted, as a girl, for ADD or something (girls look off into space, boys run around). They tried a drug. The drug didn't help, but thankfully didn't hurt.

She might have depression or a 'behavioral' issue due to family stress. If the drug didn't work it is not ADHD. She might not qualify as ahving any particular issue.


Is she autistic? How do you know and who do you trust? Teachers out here, shall we say, lack nuance when dealin