Change and relative motion

[lifegazer]

'Change' is a concept equating to variant states of a being or beings.
The understanding of the concept is - essentially - an understanding of the absolute existence of being(s) which relatively alter (or, have relatively altered) it's/their absolute state of existence.
The 'absoluteness' of existence cannot be in doubt, since the absoluteness of change depends upon the foundational existence of Something that can at least experience change. [argue as you wish]
In other words, existence is absolute and 'change' is relative [states of that existence].

'[relative] Motion' is a concept equating to existential distortion, so that existence-as-a-whole, if you like, changes position - akin to 'you' changing your position in bed each night, if you like.
In other words, the concept of motion is also reducible to Something 'absolute' which experiences motion within ~itself~.

Discuss. No popcorn allowed.

[fuelair]

For an excellent example of how to write like you try to but so that it carries meaning and coherency, see Is There Room for the Soul? Jay Tolson US News and World Report p.57+ Oct. 23,2006

[Foster Zygote]

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Steven

[wollery]

No popcorn allowed.How about M&Ms? I like M&Ms.

[clarsct]

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Steven
Nom'd. Brilliant.

[RandFan]

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Steven Not bad but you left out ying yang, and yes, I do mean ying yang.

[Ceritus]

Crap, crap, poopy poopy poopsickle, variant states of gibberish turky roast, stinky britches and crap.

Have you ever been or plan to be at some point, educated?

Let go of the crap and accept reality because it is far more satisfying.

[Tricky]

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Steven
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[H'ethetheth]

Lifegazer,

you keep insisting on trying to prove spatial stuff doesn't exist by pointing out certain properties of space or stuff. That just doesn't work.

Change exists, therefore time exists. We knew that.
Motion exists, therefore spacetime exists.

It's that simple.

Secondly, I just can't grasp why you find the existence of space so difficult to accept when you have no such diificulty accepting the existence of time.

[RandFan]

Or in other words... (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/Handkerchief/WordAssociationFootball) Still no ying yang. :(

[wollery]

How about some Ying Tong?

Tenor: There's a song that I recall my mother sang to me,
Spriggs: (Sighs.)
Tenor: She sang it as she tucked me in when I was ninety-three.
Spriggs: I-diddle-di. [Spoken] Who was that bum?
Bluebottle and Spriggs: Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po,
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po
(Bluebottle has dropped behind.)
Spriggs: [Spoken] Keep fired up. Keep up!
Bluebottle: [Spoken] Keep up lad.
Both: Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle I po, lad!
Both: Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle I po!
Bluebottle: Lad, po lad,
Spriggs: Yiddle i po,
Both: Ying tong, ying tong,
Spriggs: Yiddle,
Bluebottle: Ying tong, ying tong,
Both: Ying tong yiddle i po, ying tong, ying tong yiddle.
Bluebottle: [Spoken] Ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po (raspberry).
Spriggs: Oh!
Both: Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle I po,
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po, yiddle I po!
(Frantic trumpeting followed by three huge drumbeats.)
Bluebottle: Yiiiing, ying tongy tongy, ying tong yiddle I po, ying tong yiddle i po.
Secombe: What a lovely melody divine!
Bluebottle: Yi-i-ing, ying tongy tongy,
Milligan: Get off the record, sir!
Bluebottle: Yiiiing, ying tong, ying tong yiddy, po,
Milligan: Get away!
Bluebottle: Dig-dig-diggun, dig-dig-digga, ying tong yiddle I po.
Seagoon: Hear that crazy rhythm, driving me insane,
strike your partner on the bonce (thump),
Eccles: Ooh! I felt no pain.
Seagoon: (Screeches.)
Seagoon, Bluebottle and Eccles: Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying.
Soprano: Take me back to Vienna... (melodic raspberries)
Bloodnok: Ohhh!
Eccles: Ooh!
Soprano: Take me back to Vienna, where the... (ceiling collapses)
Seagoon, Spriggs and Bluebottle: [Distant] ...tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po,
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po.
(They all dash forward.)
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong iddle I po,
Spriggs: Where's he going, lad?
Bluebottle: I don't know...
Seagoon, Spriggs and Bluebottle: Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po.
Seagoon: LOOK OUT!
Bluebottle> Ey!
(They all dash back into the distance.)
Seagoon, Spriggs and Bluebottle: [Hurriedly] Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong iddle I po,
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po.
(They all dash forward again.)
Ying tong...
(Bomb falls and explodes.)
All: [Pinky-and-Perky style]
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po,
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po, yiddle i po,
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po,
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po, yiddle i po.
Yiiiing, tongy tongy tongy, yiddy diddy diddy da doh, ying diddy,
Ying tong diddle, yiddledy boo,
(Thigh-slapping followed by a raspberry)
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle, ying tong yiddle i po,
Ying tong, ying tong, ying tong yiddle i po, yiddle i po, oh!

Ahhhh, The Goons! ;)

[RandFan]

How about some Ying Tong?

Ahhhh, The Goons! ;) Close. I like it.

Now for something completly different.

Rick tick ticky ticky tavy the mouse.
He hurries, he scurries, around the house.
He eats killer snakes that are on the loose,
'cause he's not a mouse. Yo! He's a mongoose!

[KilgoreTrout]

'Velocity' is the rate of change in an object's position, which exists by measuring the overall displacement against how much time was required to reach the final position. The understanding of this concept is - essentially - an understanding of the absolute magnitude of an object's velocity. The absoluteness can not be in doubt, because...that...one guy...said so. I think he was Italian...

'Acceleration' is a concept equating to the rate of change in an object's velocity, so that velocity-as-a-whole, if you wish, changes its rate, similar to 'you' pressing your foot down on the gas pedal in a car. In other words, you are able to calculate an object's velocity by knowing the time, acceleration, and initial velocity, by which I mean...I don't know...Jesus...I guess.

Try to wrap your head around that. :cool:

[Z]

The understanding of the concept is - essentially - an understanding of the absolute existence of being(s) which relatively alter (or, have relatively altered) it's/their absolute state of existence.

:stop:

OK, what's this about absoluteness? What is absolute? We need some definitions here.

The 'absoluteness' of existence cannot be in doubt, since the absoluteness of change depends upon the foundational existence of Something that can at least experience change. [argue as you wish]
In other words, existence is absolute and 'change' is relative [states of that existence].

Again, what do you mean by 'absolute'?

'[relative] Motion' is a concept equating to existential distortion, so that existence-as-a-whole, if you like, changes position - akin to 'you' changing your position in bed each night, if you like.
In other words, the concept of motion is also reducible to Something 'absolute' which experiences motion within ~itself~.

Again - what is absolute? And how does 'existence as a whole' change position?

Discuss. No popcorn allowed.

What is there to discuss? That you're a wanker?

And are snowcones ok?

:snowcone

[Z]

'Velocity' is the rate of change in an object's position, which exists by measuring the overall displacement against how much time was required to reach the final position. The understanding of this concept is - essentially - an understanding of the absolute magnitude of an object's velocity. The absoluteness can not be in doubt, because...that...one guy...said so. I think he was Italian...

'Acceleration' is a concept equating to the rate of change in an object's velocity, so that velocity-as-a-whole, if you wish, changes its rate, similar to 'you' pressing your foot down on the gas pedal in a car. In other words, you are able to calculate an object's velocity by knowing the time, acceleration, and initial velocity, by which I mean...I don't know...Jesus...I guess.

Try to wrap your head around that. :cool:

NO!

There's a smiley for this... hold on...

:beerflag:

Ah no that's not the one... hmmm...

:gayflag:

Nonono! Wrong one, darnit>!!

:bunpan

Oh... well... isn't that cute...

:wackyeek:

[Foster Zygote]

Ahhhh, The Goons! ;)

Yay Goons!

[Foster Zygote]

Let's try that again.

[Foster Zygote]

Not bad but you left out ying yang, and yes, I do mean ying yang.

Sorry, I'll only discuss the true ~ying yang~.

It's obvious that the intricacies of the true ~ying yang~ are beyond your meager intellect so when you educate yourself and you are ready to discuss ~~~real~~~ philosophy I'll be here. Or you can just acknowledge how brilliant I are.

Steven

[Foster Zygote]

Or in other words... (http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Scripts/Handkerchief/WordAssociationFootball)

I must confess that sentence fragments are much funnier than simple word salad.

Steven

[RandFan]

:bunpan



I've dealt with this before. I don't want to belabor the point but no, it's not cute. I find it disgusting. Rabbits were not put on this earth by god to be demeaned by humans. They are a proud and dignified species that should not wear food on their heads. They should be grilled and served with vegetables. Though creamed and served with mashed potatoes is not so bad either. Hmmmm.... damn, now I want rabbit.

[RandFan]

Sorry, I'll only discuss the true ~ying yang~.

It's obvious that the intricacies of the true ~ying yang~ are beyond your meager intellect so when you educate yourself and you are ready to discuss ~~~real~~~ philosophy I'll be here. Or you can just acknowledge how brilliant I are.

Steven:D Do you know where you can put it?

[Upchurch]

'Change' is a concept equating to variant states of a being or beings.
The understanding of the concept is - essentially - an understanding of the absolute existence of being(s) which relatively alter (or, have relatively altered) it's/their absolute state of existence.
The 'absoluteness' of existence cannot be in doubt, since the absoluteness of change depends upon the foundational existence of Something that can at least experience change. [argue as you wish]
In other words, existence is absolute and 'change' is relative [states of that existence].
Incorrect: If you are talking about the existence of being or beings, that is subject to change, namely in a being's coming into existence and going out of existence. If you are talking about the existence of reality, I think you're making an awfully large assumption that reality, itself cannot change.

(I couldn't tell if you were referring to individual existence of universal existence, as you seem to flip between the two. So, I addressed both.

This is further compounded by your earlier claims that existence faced oblivion if we didn't buy into your "we're all god" thingie.

'[relative] Motion' is a concept equating to existential distortion, so that existence-as-a-whole, if you like, changes position - akin to 'you' changing your position in bed each night, if you like.
In other words, the concept of motion is also reducible to Something 'absolute' which experiences motion within ~itself~.
So, in your analogy, I am my bed?

And what prevents me from dying in my bed, thus changing the state of my existence?

Honestly, lifegazer, this one is more ill conceived than usual.

[fuelair]

Is it just me, or has lifegrazer left the building?

[Skeptical Greg]

Is it just me, or has lifegrazer left the building? I think he also forgot to flush ...

[fuelair]

I think he also forgot to flush ...

I guess he's so full of it he just doesn't have the time to:) . (Notice I am being nice and giving him the benefit of the doubt. I always try to do that with those of diminished crapacity.).

[Upchurch]

Is it just me, or has lifegrazer left the building?
No, I saw him online shortly after I wrote my last post.

[RandFan]

Is it just me, or has lifegrazer left the building?He always does this. He lurks for awhile and then pounces.

[Upchurch]

He always does this. He lurks for awhile and then pounces.
he didn't use to do this, but I guess that was a while ago.

[RandFan]

he didn't use to do this, but I guess that was a while ago.It's been since he came back.

[Foster Zygote]

:D Do you know where you can put it?

If you're implying what I think you are I'll have you know that I lost my ying yang in the war. Thanks for reminding me of that. The horror, the horror...

Steven

[HappyDance]

If you're implying what I think you are I'll have you know that I lost my ying yang in the war. Thanks for reminding me of that. The horror, the horror...

Over Macho Grande?

L

[RandFan]

Over Macho Grande?

LI'll never be over Macho Grande.

Welcome to JREF Happy. Ride the snake.

ETA: You've been here a year and only 12 posts? :)

Never mind me.

[SezMe]

Too bad RandFan didn't post in this thread. :)

[RandFan]

Too bad RandFan didn't post in this thread. :):) Too bad.

[Upchurch]

It's been since he came back.

That may very well be. Somehow, I just couldn't be bothered to remember too many lg thread details. ;)

[Loss Leader]

LG - Have you ever posted in a thread you didn't start? Have you ever brought a thread you started to a conclusion before abandoning it? Are we completely done with the Newton/Einstein stuff? How about that 4-dimensional undivided object thing, whatever the hell that was? If so, could you punch my card because three more and I get a free 6" sub.

[Darth Rotor]

[QUOTE=lifegazer;2048544]'Change' is a concept equating to variant states of a being or beings.

Change = coins in my pocket
Relative motion = my mother in law moving away. (Yay)

DR

[Foster Zygote]

Just poking this thread with a stick to see if it's really dead so soon.

*poke, poke*

Steven

[RandFan]

That may very well be. Somehow, I just couldn't be bothered to remember too many lg thread details. ;):D Damn, It's a school project..., yeah, that's it.

[Hyver]

Come back LG! I missed this one :tssad:

[MRC_Hans]

Is it just me, or has lifegrazer left the building?Actually, I think he never really entered it. He is standing somewhere outside trying to infer the color of the wallpaper by watching the shifting shadows on the blinds.

Hans