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SPQR
30th October 2006, 12:01 PM
Here's an interesting story and just one more first for me while at college.

It was the middle of the second week I was here. That morning on my way to breakfast, its about a two minute walk from my dorm to the dining hall, I was approached by a man passing out bibles. It was about 7:30 in the morning. He asked me if I would like one and I answered with a firm but polite, "No, thank you." In addition to the guy that approached me, there was another man from the same organization working the other side of the street; the street that divides our campus roughly in half. Its not a main street and is never busy, its just for students coming and going in cars and the bus that services our campus.

Anyway, on my way back to my dorm from my first class, it was now about 10a.m., I was approached by the bible guy on the opposite side of the street from my dorm; the second guy I mentioned in the first paragraph. This got me thinking about what I would be passing out if I were so inclined. I decided passing out literature was too presumptuous so I made myself a sign. On a piece of cardboard roughly the size of a wall calender, I wrote with the biggest Sharpie I could find, "Think before you read." Iplaced my sign in my backpack and walked passed the two previously mentioned bible guys to where the campus bookstore, the dining hall, and bus stop empty out. In other words, a high traffic area. Not to my surprise there were two new bible guys already there.

It was now about 10:45 in the morning. I took out my sign from my backpack and held it in front of me so that it could be read easily. I stood there and did not say anything. Whenever anyone asked me what my sign meant I said, " I'm simply advocating thinking." I got many more smiles from passing students than I thought I would. I even received two "thank you"s and a couple of "thumbs up."

I had been standing there for about fifteen minutes when a woman who had been taking pictures of the bible guys passing out bibles came over and started talking to me. She began with asking, "So what exactly does that sign mean?"

"I'm just advocating thinking," I said.

"You know," she said, "I usually think after I read."

"That's good too," I said. "You should always be thinking."

"Wouldn't a better sign be, 'think before, while, and after you read'?" she asked. I was beginning to understand what she was getting at.

"I didn't have enough room," I remarked. Both she and I sort of laughed. I could tell she was getting frustrated.

"Is there any reason you're demonstrating on this particular day?" she asked.

"No reason," I said, "Its just such I beautiful day out I couldn't help but be outside."

"Oh, okay," she said. I could tell she wanted to tear my sign away from me and rip it to pieces. This sort of banter continued for about another 10 minutes until she walked away and continued to take pictures. Then, at about 11: 10, I remember because I planned to go to lunch at about 11:30, the same woman comes over to me and says, "You know the great thing about God? ("here we go," I thought) God is so great that he's willing to forgive you even when you spit in his face."

"Wow!" I thought. I would've liked to say something witty like, "and which god would that be"? but I didn't. I was so surprised at her statement that I all could manage was to snort with laughter and say, "Oh really. You think I'm spitting in God's face?"

"Yes, I think you are," she said.

"Is your god against thinking?" I asked.

"No its just," she stammered, "its just that I think you're being very disrespectful toward the bible. You're not fooling anyone be saying you're just, 'advocating thinking.'"

"Oh, okay," I said and she walked away. I was stunned. I never would have thought that the first time I demonstrated in such a way would provoke such a reaction. I hung around for about another 20 minutes just make it clear to that lady that she didn't scare me away. Luckily, by the time I had planned to go to lunch rolled around, the bible people were packing up and leaving too.

So ended my first foray into demonstrating against fundies. I hope many more opportunities present themselves to do so.

Side-note: The woman with whom I had the conversation turned out to be the photographer for this organization, Bibles for America. She took a picture of me holding my sign. maybe I'll end up in some fundi newsletter. :D

AWPrime
30th October 2006, 12:07 PM
Great show!

Keep an eye out for them!


ps. Please post a pic of your sign.

Cosmo
30th October 2006, 12:18 PM
Well written and a good story. Keep up the good work! :)

I'm with AWPrime - post your sign!

Smike
30th October 2006, 12:20 PM
Side-note: The woman with whom I had the conversation turned out to be the photographer for this organization, Bibles for America. She took a picture of me holding my sign. maybe I'll end up in some fundi newsletter. :D

Linkage (http://www.biblesforamerica.org/aboutBfA/) for anyone too lazy to google.

SPQR
30th October 2006, 12:24 PM
Here you go:

P.S. Thanks for the link, Smike.

Phil
30th October 2006, 12:40 PM
You should have asked her if she strives to emulate her god, and then hawked up a slimy one in anticipation.

AWPrime
30th October 2006, 12:56 PM
Here you go:

P.S. Thanks for the link, Smike.

Try to make that a meme.

triadboy
30th October 2006, 12:59 PM
Bravo, SPQR!

ChristineR
30th October 2006, 01:04 PM
Note that it's all right for a bunch of strangers to come in on a bus and take over a college campus while it's not all right for a student who actually belongs on the campus to express a counter-opinion.

It's acceptable to tell people that they must follow this book or be subject to eternal violent torture but not acceptable to even suggest that the book doesn't stand up to thoughtful consideration.

It tells an awful lot about the power of social norms and how they determine what is "right" and what is "wrong."

Beady
30th October 2006, 01:07 PM
"Oh really. You think I'm spitting in God's face?"

"Yes, I think you are," she said.

At that point, I would have asked "How?"

SPQR
30th October 2006, 01:33 PM
At that point, I would have asked "How?"

I cam up with numerous responses to her statement after the fact. I was so thunderstruck by her statement that I wasn't able to think off any then.

After I told a friend of mine this story his suggestion was, "Yeah well, God's a big boy, he can take it." I probably would've gotten slapped in the face for that one.

ChristineR
30th October 2006, 01:40 PM
I cam up with numerous responses to her statement after the fact. I was so thunderstruck by her statement that I wasn't able to think off any then.

After I told a friend of mine this story his suggestion was, "Yeah well, God's a big boy, he can take it." I probably would've gotten slapped in the face for that one.

This is a good one for after the fact quips. "God's face?! Where? I want to see him!"

TheAntiLuddite
30th October 2006, 01:48 PM
Note that it's all right for a bunch of strangers to come in on a bus and take over a college campus while it's not all right for a student who actually belongs on the campus to express a counter-opinion.

Eloquently said and very true. I've only attended one university, but I know that many campuses have a "free speech" area where people can speak about almost any topic, and usually without notifying the administration. On my campus this spot was an open-air mini-theater right next to the post office and in front of the Student Union. One day, as I'm heading to the Union, I notice a rather large crowd has gathered next to the post office and some in the audience seem to be particularly incensed. I walk over, and, being six foot three, have no problem seeing the cause of the commotion: a guy with a long beard and wearing suspenders is railing at the assembled students. At his feet is sitting what I take to be the properly-obedient wife in a long, handmade dress (or at least it appears to be). Three kids are sitting with her, garbed likewise. I listen for a while as the man continues to swing a bible around and berate everyone, but especially the female students, for attending an institution of learning, as such a heinous act is an affront to Holy Almighty Gawd who has already given us such knowledge (the book he's swinging) as we will ever need. Our insistence on learning inferior knowledge (i.e. "mans' knowledge") is both pathetic and ungrateful and we shall suffer a great smoting (smiting?) for our arrogance. I shook my head and walked off, feeling sorry for the man's kids, doomed as they most likely were to a life of dogma and superstition. I should have stuck around.

Shortly after I left, and I imagine because he was losing the attention of the crowd with his boring rhetoric, the prophet began to refer to the female students as "whores of Babylon" and suggest that their real motive for attending college was to escape their fathers' households (where he assumed his religious ideology was the norm) and boff as many of their fellow students as possible, both male and female. Apparently the man's god was at lunch, because campus security had to step into the fray and save him from an old-fashioned, biblical-style stoning.

I'm sure the preacher later convinced himself that the reaction of the crowd was simply evidence of the righteousness of his message.

senorpogo
30th October 2006, 02:32 PM
Just curious: about how many bibles did they end up giving away?

TragicMonkey
30th October 2006, 02:44 PM
the same woman comes over to me and says, "You know the great thing about God? ("here we go," I thought) God is so great that he's willing to forgive you even when you spit in his face."


I'm not very good at social cues. I would have interpreted this as an invitation to spit in her face.

Life is full of little misunderstandings.

infornography
30th October 2006, 03:25 PM
I usually just take the freely offered book and mumble something about it being the perfect thickness to level my desk.

I always hoped that one of them would take immediate and preferably physical offense to my suggested use. The best I ever got was a look of immediate frustration and regret.

*shrug*

bobcarp
30th October 2006, 04:41 PM
Maybe she spits in the face of the Hindu god when she eats beef...

SPQR
30th October 2006, 05:02 PM
Just curious: about how many bibles did they end up giving away?

I actually did take some time to watch the bible guys for a while and I counted about 10 students who didn't take one for every 1 who did. I also noticed most of those who did take a bible didn't even look at it as they took it.

TheAntiLuddite
30th October 2006, 05:23 PM
...I counted about 10 students who didn't take one for every 1 who did. I also noticed most of those who did take a bible didn't even look at it as they took it.

I find the whole concept of giving bibles away a little bit odd, especially at a university, for the following reasons:

1) There aren't too many people in the western world who haven't heard of Christianity and its holy book, the Bible, as opposed to, say, the Koran (at least pre-9/11).
2) Most people at a university, if they are Christian, already have one, and if not, can afford to buy one or borrow one from the numerous student religious organizations.
3) Depending on the university, the people there are literate and educated, and less likely to swallow fundamentalist religious dogma.

Exactly what demographic are they trying to reach?

Edit: Ah, just saw the link to the website, and this:

"Our goal is to distribute one million copies of the Recovery Version by 2010."

So I guess it's sort of like Grit (some may have no idea what I'm talking about, but I thought it was funny). :D

CapelDodger
30th October 2006, 05:28 PM
... the same woman comes over to me and says, "You know the great thing about God? ("here we go," I thought) God is so great that he's willing to forgive you even when you spit in his face."
Damn. The bastards are trying to outflank me. Not that they're clever enough to succeed, of course.

I've long responded to Christians saying they'll pray for me with "You really shouldn't. Trust me on this. Don't pray for me. Stick to safe ground."

Lets say they pray for me and the god changes its mind about my fate. I gain the ultimate reward of seeing the god's face and I spit in it. I would. To do otherwise would be to deny everything that is me. The god might forgive me, but would it necessarily exonerate the people that promoted me in the first place? Theirs is a vindictive and insecure god - there's no lack of evidence for that conclusion. All things considered, best not to involve themselves with me, for their own theoretical if illusionary good.

CapelDodger
30th October 2006, 06:05 PM
So ended my first foray into demonstrating against fundies. I hope many more opportunities present themselves to do so.
Kudos for taking the trouble while knowing what you think rather than having been told it. Not - I'm sure - to inflate your own standing in this vast and wondrous universe but to do something very human, on a human scale, on a nice day when you're not doing anything else terribly special, to do something different that might provide new insights. Not revelations, of course, but insights. I doubt you were other than confirmed in your opinions of believers, and I suspect we share the same opinions. More to the point is the number of people giving you a smile and thumbs-up. Non- and anti-believers are legion but they're relatively silent.

CapelDodger
30th October 2006, 06:09 PM
So I guess it's sort of like Grit (some may have no idea what I'm talking about, but I thought it was funny). :D
I'm in the "no idea" camp, please explain so I can steal your joke :) .

CapelDodger
30th October 2006, 06:13 PM
I'm not very good at social cues. I would have interpreted this as an invitation to spit in her face.
I see your point, but you'd have to be in a really bad mood to actually do it. Let me know if that works out :) .

Glen.Nogami
30th October 2006, 08:10 PM
I see your point, but you'd have to be in a really bad mood to actually do it. Let me know if that works out :) .

"Well, I think the greater question is, 'Would he forgive me for spitting in your face?'"

If they don't back off, follow through. Otherwise, the terrorists have already won.

Foster Zygote
30th October 2006, 08:12 PM
Here's an interesting story and just one more first for me while at college.

Great story. I had a similar experience in downtown Greenville, SC a few years back. There was a guy in shirt and tie handing out pamphlets on the street corner. I managed to slip by him as a crowd of early twenty-somethings was coming the opposite way and occupying his attention. But the light changed before I could cross the street so after he finished with the sinful looking young people he turned his attention to me.

Him: "Can I share God's Word with you?"

Me: "Which ones?"

H, slightly confused: "This has some of God's Words from the Bible."

M: "Oh, I have a Bible."

H: "Ah, then you're a Christian."

M: "Nope."

H, startled pause: "Oh, well you have to read it."

M: "I have read it."

H: "You have?"

M: "Yes, cover to cover." Just then the light changed and I said "Take it easy." and stepped off.

Steven

Dark Jaguar
30th October 2006, 09:42 PM
As Penn and Teller like to say, if there's one thing that'll put people off christianity (if they are open minded), it's actually reading the bible.

TheAntiLuddite
31st October 2006, 04:03 AM
I'm in the "no idea" camp, please explain so I can steal your joke :) .

Grit was a small newspaper / magazine that recruited heavily in comic books and other young-reader media; almost every comic book I read as a kid in the early eighties had at least a half-page ad for Grit. The idea was that you would sign up with Grit, sell a bunch of copies, and then get to pick from a catalog of prizes. The more copies you sold, the bigger and better your potential pool of rewards. I googled for "Grit" last night and discovered (to my surprise) that the magazine is still around. Anyway, regarding "Bibles Across America" (or whatever the name of the company that was handing out the bibles) and their target quota, it made me think of the phrase, "Holy writ as Holy Grit." :)

Yes, I have an odd sense of humor. :D