Do you live in an area where most white people are white supremacists? [Archive]

JAR

22nd June 2003, 07:43 PM

Do you live in an area where most white people are white supremacists?

I don't.

From what I've read in posts by people such as Tmy, Victor Danilchenko, Malachi151, and others, I gather that these people live in places where there are a lot of white supremacists, so they judge race issues from the point of a view of a person that rarely encounters someone who is white and not racist.

crocodile deathroll

22nd June 2003, 11:08 PM

no!

a_unique_person

22nd June 2003, 11:24 PM

What are the actual points that are being made on the basis you are assuming they are being made on?

athon

22nd June 2003, 11:25 PM

I live in a part of the world where there is ignorance, but nothing I would call 'white supremacy'.
Whites in Australia, unlike what many nations might think, don't have a supremicist concept of self. Australian racism is more based on denial and naivity. For instance, few have been out to Cherbourg in Queensland, or near the western border, for instance. Culture is something taken for granted, and when most Australians are told that funding is short for Aboriginal health due to their remoteness, they scoff and say the blacks should move closer to town.
The issues are complex, yet our form of racism is based more on a lack of appreciation of the abstract need for cultural awareness.

Athon

MRC_Hans

23rd June 2003, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by JAR
Do you live in an area where most white people are white supremacists?

I don't.

From what I've read in posts by people such as Tmy, Victor Danilchenko, Malachi151, and others, I gather that these people live in places where there are a lot of white supremacists, so they judge race issues from the point of a view of a person that rarely encounters someone who is white and not racist. In other words, you assume that other people can only speak passionately about things within their immidiate range of vision? Perhaps this assumption is based on your own perspective?

Hans

fishbob

23rd June 2003, 12:57 AM

Most are not White Supremacists. There are a fair number of bigots, morons, cretins, and just plain idiots. Does that count?

BillyTK

23rd June 2003, 02:03 AM

I live in an area with a white racist presence (the National Front like to pay their regards on their way to Bradford), and where the British National Party have won council seats in one of the wards of the next town over. There's two problems here, one is the NF/BNP and the other is the people who wouldn't explicitly support either groups, but you know, those Asians and Blacks come over and take out jobs and move into our areas but make no effort to mix with us, and now the government is handing out our tax money on a plate to asylum seekers, giving 'em council homes and benefits and soon there's going to be no English people left...!

:rolleyes:

Blue Monk

23rd June 2003, 02:19 AM

Nope.

My friends are all blues musicians (not a fertile source of racism) and I work at a University (another place annoyingly tolerant).

I live in a pre-dominantly non-white neighborhood (myself, the couple across the street and my immediate neighbors are the only whites) and I have found that blacks and Latinos are rarely white supremacists.

I get along very well with my neighbors, thank you. One lady (who happens to be black) across the street (a devout Christian I might add) gets all worried about me if she sees me home on a holiday like Thanksgiving and sends over one of her kids with a big plate of food, hehe.

There are certainly plenty of red-necks here in Texas but even the ones I know with questionable views concerning race generally turn up their noses at White Supremacists.

I know there are some around 'cause they occasionally turn up in the news ( about every three or four years) and while I'm sure we have our share of out and out racists, actual card-carrying members of some organization, to my knowledge, are pretty rare.

I hope I'm not be delusional but if they are around they are sure keeping a low profile.

HarryKeogh

23rd June 2003, 05:27 AM

i grew up in a very italian neighborhood in queens, new york (howard beach). you rarely saw black people, which was funny since nyc has millions of them. in those rare instances they were stared at, people reached for their car door locks and pressed their purses closer to their bodies. in 1986, some black guys had car trouble and wound up in howard beach, got chased by white teens and one of the black guys was struck and killed by a car while trying to get away.

my brother and me got into a few fights with kids because of our last name (it isn't keogh and it isnt italian)

not white supremacy but not exactly at the forefront of tolerance.

Tmy

23rd June 2003, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by JAR
Do you live in an area where most white people are white supremacists?

I don't.

From what I've read in posts by people such as Tmy, Victor Danilchenko, Malachi151, and others, I gather that these people live in places where there are a lot of white supremacists, so they judge race issues from the point of a view of a person that rarely encounters someone who is white and not racist.

White Supremacists??? where'd ya get that from. NO I dont remember any local klan rallies.

Do you think I enjoy always hopping in on the same affirmative action threads (OK sometimes I do). The reason I do 1/2 the time is cause there are usually so few desenting voices that I feel compelled to comment.

Crossbow

23rd June 2003, 05:49 AM

No.

I would refuse to live in such an area.

tamiO

23rd June 2003, 05:56 AM

There are a LOT of people here who are racist. Racism comes in several degrees and white supremicists are at the extreme end. There is a local KKK and I know of some of the members I do not know them personally. They once held a rally in the nearby town of Cottonwood.

Mostly. the people I know drop comments like "Don't get me wrong, I am not racist. I have nothing against black people.... But...."

Hell some of them even have friends who are black.

They draw the line at their children dating "one of them."
:::cue banjos::::
My ex-husband had a friend who went to the prom with a black guy. Her father held her at gunpoint for hours at the kitchen table when she came home. That is an extreme case and the only such story I have encountered in my almost 30 years here.

There are a lot of mixed couples here now and it's the older generation that is so racist. The 20 year olds (of all colors) seem to be over it. It has only been about 40 years since Alabama had it's racism brought to a head by Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King. It gets better with each generation.

I came from a place where I was not aware of racism. There were students from every part of the world in the Canal Zone. What a culture shock to move to south Alabama in 1974. I learned fast. :)
I made the mistake of becoming friends with a black boy and was told in short order that I was a ****** lover.

We had a burning cross incident in another small town a few months ago. Seems a black family moved into a white neighborhood and they wanted her and her children to move back out.

Hoot!

The only thing it has done to me is associate country music with hicks and racism. I just can't listen to it very much.

Tmy

23rd June 2003, 06:09 AM

I also feel that many of the posters here are racist.

In posts dealing with some broad racial issue its always "the blacks" that are mentioned. Even though there are all sorts of minorites involved.

There are always so many racial generalizations. I somtimes toss out generalizations just to put the shoe on the other foot.

I do like how people will be upfront with their views. Even if Im slightly offended I try not to name call or take things personally. I just try n get my points out and hopefully get people thinking.

This IS a sceptic board right?

Dancing David

23rd June 2003, 07:26 AM

I live in an enclave of toerance in the mighty wihitey midwest.

There are high numbers of the KKK and Arayan Nation here, and regard for people who aren't middle class whites is very low. Are most of them white supremist, no. Do most think that non-whites are less than whites, yes. We still have 'sundowner' communities, but then the Masson Dixon line cuts through central illinois.

JAR

23rd June 2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by HarryKeogh
i grew up in a very italian neighborhood in queens, new york (howard beach). you rarely saw black people, which was funny since nyc has millions of them. in those rare instances they were stared at, people reached for their car door locks and pressed their purses closer to their bodies. in 1986, some black guys had car trouble and wound up in howard beach, got chased by white teens and one of the black guys was struck and killed by a car while trying to get away.

my brother and me got into a few fights with kids because of our last name (it isn't keogh and it isnt italian)

not white supremacy but not exactly at the forefront of tolerance.
Thanks for the input. I often wonder what Italian Americans are like. Where I live there aren't that many of them.

Tormac

23rd June 2003, 01:26 PM

No, I do not think that too many people in my area are white supremacists.

I do see little forms of petty racism rear up its head from time to time though. Never in a public place where someone would be called on it, but from some people (although a small minority of the majority) I see it come out, when its just "us" around (I live in rural Midwest).

It is the responsibility of the "majority" to police its own and make sure that the minority knows that they are not facing the racists that are still out there without the support of mainstream society. Of course this is true all the way around.

rustypouch

23rd June 2003, 01:40 PM

No, I don't.

Even though the vast majority of people where I live are caucasian, almost everyone I know is very tolerent.

But I have met a few people who have an intense dislike of other cultures, and they particularly disliked Arabs and Chinese people.

Monketey Ghost

23rd June 2003, 02:34 PM

I've lived all ova da world. I once lived in a mostly Mexicano neighborhood. The only white for blocks, people treated me well, and with respect in general. Occasionally I was called "white boy" and "bullio" (sp?) which is a sort of white bread made by Mexicanos. I thought that term hilarious, it never offended me. They discriminated within their own group, calling each other wetbacks.

I lived among mostly black people in another neighborhood. The treatment was rougher there. Folks gave me long, hard stares; as effective a manner of wordlessly saying "what are you doing in my neighborhood" as I can think of. But nobody ever said anything ruder than "go home white boy" and I can deal with that.

By far the most racial discrimination I ever observed was in entirely white neighborhoods. From both sexes I often heard comments to the effect that "I hate ni****s." because there were no people of color around to shame them. That was pretty bad, I only lived in such areas sporadically. And like Crossbow, I would never live in an area where a white supremacist group took root.

Now my next door neighbor is a nice older black couple, and there are Koreans and folks from Ecuador on my block. It's a nice neighborhood, folks wave and say hello.

PygmyPlaidGiraffe

23rd June 2003, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by fishbob
Most are not White Supremacists. There are a fair number of bigots, morons, cretins, and just plain idiots. Does that count?
Ditto here in this area

JAR

23rd June 2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Tmy
I also feel that many of the posters here are racist.

In posts dealing with some broad racial issue its always "the blacks" that are mentioned. Even though there are all sorts of minorites involved.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that could have something to do with the fact that affirmative action was aimed at decreasing unemployment among the African-American population.

There are always so many racial generalizations. I somtimes toss out generalizations just to put the shoe on the other foot.
When I say there is a crime problem among a certain group of people, I assume that the reader can figure out that I don't mean that everyone of that group is a criminal.

I do like how people will be upfront with their views. Even if Im slightly offended I try not to name call or take things personally. I just try n get my points out and hopefully get people thinking.
I'm not sure if I'm upfront with my views. I think I've only mentioned that I'm a libertarian twice. I should be more upfront about that, otherwise people might read my posts never knowing that I'm not a communist.

This IS a sceptic board right?
Yeah, it is.

Mike B.

24th June 2003, 07:52 AM

Nope...

(And please you forgot the Planet X option!)
:)

Ladyhawk

25th June 2003, 09:45 AM

Skullaxide

12th July 2008, 12:06 AM

Not that I know of. I mean, there haven't been any White Supremacists or KKK members banging on my door for donations to send a bigot to camp ;)

But, then, I don't think white supremacists (as defined by the groups previously mentioned) are the problem. Even when I hear words like "tolerant" being used, it indicates something is off, you know? I mean, I usually think of someone I tolerate as someone (or thing) that I don't like but I put up with. Maybe that's the best that we as a society can do..tolerate one another.

But, racism is a silent predator. Let's put it this way. I think it's safe to say that most of my friends and other people I know tolerate minorities well...but I don't think it necessarily means that they aren't racist . If that makes any sense :confused:

Yeah, from a few documentaries I've seen (they were so quite a while ago, sorry I can't recommended anything!) members of the modern White supremacist movement are encouraged to hide their agenda's and get into places of authority such as law enforcement, politics, influential businesses and just "wait." It's pretty organized and not very explicit.

PogoPedant

12th July 2008, 03:26 AM

Awesome thread necromancy.

TragicMonkey

12th July 2008, 05:51 AM

I believe there's something wrong with the poll. What I'm seeing at the top of this page is:

Poll Options
Is consciousness only physical?
Yes
No

I spent some time wondering what the relationship between theories of consciousness and white supremacist demographic distribution might be.

geni

12th July 2008, 06:02 AM

Radrook

12th July 2008, 10:16 AM

Supremacist in the sense of feeling themselves better than other races or at least claiming to believe it? I have found both Afro Americans and European Americans equal in that regard.

So my answer is that I live in a predominantly black African American supremacist urban neighborhood surrounded by white European American supermacist suburbanites.

WildCat

12th July 2008, 10:20 AM

Looks like the poll bug is back again!

No white supremacists in my neighborhood I'm aware of.

My cats OTOH, are convinced they are the most supreme creatures ever to exist.

Radrook

12th July 2008, 10:31 AM

i grew up in a very italian neighborhood in queens, new york (howard beach). you rarely saw black people, which was funny since nyc has millions of them....
.

You seem baffled by the scarcity or nonexistence of Afro Americans in the neighborhood you just described. Why? Or are you just being victoriously ironic in a smug sort of way?

WildCat

12th July 2008, 12:43 PM

You seem baffled by the scarcity or nonexistence of Afro Americans in the neighborhood you just described. Why? Or are you just being victoriously ironic in a smug sort of way?
I'm pretty sure that HK was referring to this incident (http://www.queenstribune.com/anniversary2003/howardbeach.htm).

Terry

12th July 2008, 02:39 PM

Looks like the poll bug is back again!

No white supremacists in my neighborhood I'm aware of.

My cats OTOH, are convinced they are the most supreme creatures ever to exist.

no, no it isn't. It wasn't possible to repair all the old threads. Note that this is a thread from 2003...

ryanebelhar

12th July 2008, 04:38 PM

Off the top of my head I can only think of a few openly supremacist people i've met in my life.

Tsukasa Buddha

12th July 2008, 04:42 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say white supremacist, but definitely racist.

Radrook

12th July 2008, 07:48 PM

I'm pretty sure that HK was referring to this incident (http://www.queenstribune.com/anniversary2003/howardbeach.htm).

Seems like they got off pretty easy.

Skullaxide

13th July 2008, 10:49 PM

Awesome thread necromancy.

Yeah dude, it's not like I'm going to post in a currently active thread! Pshaw.

Darth Rotor

14th July 2008, 05:56 AM

No.

doobiedoright

14th July 2008, 10:17 AM

T

I came from a place where I was not aware of racism. There were students from every part of the world in the Canal Zone. What a culture shock to move to south Alabama in 1974. I learned fast. :)
I made the mistake of becoming friends with a black boy and was told in short order that I was a ****** lover.

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tamiO:
Clean out your pm box and PM me.
My wife was also in the canal zone going to school at this same time!
She rarely comes across others with the same experience!

Sefarst

14th July 2008, 10:45 AM

Screwed up my vote. I hit no in response to the question "Do you live in an area where most white people are white supremacists?" Didn't realize the question was about consciousness (I honestly just saw "yes" or "no" and didn't read the question)

So, no I don't live in a racist area. However, yes, I believe consciousness is only physical.

I Ratant

14th July 2008, 11:16 AM

Most are not White Supremacists. There are a fair number of bigots, morons, cretins, and just plain idiots. Does that count?
.
There's just a sufficient number of skinheads around here to keep the racial pot boiling, but on the whole, most of us are the standard issue bigots, morons, cretins, and just plain idiots.

WildCat

14th July 2008, 04:50 PM

no, no it isn't. It wasn't possible to repair all the old threads. Note that this is a thread from 2003...
D'oh! Didn't even notice that.

tamiO:
Clean out your pm box and PM me.
My wife was also in the canal zone going to school at this same time!
She rarely comes across others with the same experience!
I don't think tami has posted in years...

dirtywick

14th July 2008, 05:08 PM

I remember when I lived near Fort Knox, we were prohibited from buying a home in a nearby town (that I can't remember the name of) because there was a large KKK presence there. It was kind of crappy as far as house prospects went anyway.

Haha, I also remember years ago I went to a tattoo parlor based on the recommendation of the cab driver in Maryland, and the tattoo artist was showing me pictures of him with Klan members. The other tattoo guy carried a pistol and the third guy was smoking heroin in the back room.

True stories.