Lost Moon landing tapes found

[Redtail]

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/818

And the moon Ct'ers are having themselves a hucklebuck right away.:D

[Bell]

37 years is plenty time to fake those tapes.

[Senor_Pointy]

Wait... do people honestly still believe the moon landings were faked?

[Wowbagger]

And, oddly enough, one of them also had a Seinfeld episode on it!!



No, just kidding...

[Redtail]

And, oddly enough, one of them also had a Seinfeld episode on it!!



No, just kidding...

Lol I was hoping someone could put in some footage of Capricorn One. That would stir up a hornets nest.

[Bell]

Wait... do people honestly still believe the moon landings were faked?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/AS8-13-2329.jpg/300px-AS8-13-2329.jpg

One of the earthrise photos. The Flat Earth Society
used these photos as evidence of a faked landing,
since they show a spherical earth.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Landing_Conspiracy)

[Senor_Pointy]

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Landing_Conspiracy)

:hb:

[Housefly]

One of the earthrise photos. The Flat Earth Society
used these photos as evidence of a faked landing,
since they show a spherical earth.Amusingly, that may be the most circular reasoning I've ever heard.

[fuelair]

Wait... do people honestly still believe the moon landings were faked?[deep sigh] yes, many do. [deep sigh repeats]:( :( :mad: :( :eye-poppi

[CptColumbo]

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What I love about this clip:

1. The man Aldrin punches is significantly younger than him.
2. He tricks Aldrin into coming to an "interview," then calls Aldrin a coward thief and liar while blocking his exit, and is surprised when he gets punched.
3. He tried to press assault charges.
4. Dr. Aldrin showed more restraint than I would have.

[Larry Lovage]

Wait... do people honestly still believe the moon landings were faked?
Uhm, dude - in case you didn't notice, disbelief in the moon landings is on the increase, not decrease. The graph of "moon hoax believers" over time is probably exponential in the period since 1969.

The vast majority of moon hoaxers are younger than 37 - though that's a stab in the dark number and obviously doesn't include Rene or that trailer-living cat owner guy. (Sorry, haven't done MH for a while, the names slip away). Kaysing.

[geni]

Wait... do people honestly still believe the moon landings were faked?

They are around I've clashed with them from time to time. Their are enough debunking sites around to make thier lives difficult though.

[Polaris]

SO7c716AtYA
2. He tricks Aldrin into coming to an "interview," then calls Aldrin a coward thief and liar while blocking his exit, and is surprised when he gets punched.

Actually he never got the chance to call him a thief before he got belted.

[Gilmar]

Too bad these are just tapes of data from dust sensors & such, not the videos of the astronauts on the moon's surface.

[Dave1001]

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/818

And the moon Ct'ers are having themselves a hucklebuck right away.:D

When is the digitally remastered version going to be released? :confused:

[Dave1001]

SO7c716AtYA

3. He tried to press assault charges.


How did he not succeed? Not only was that assault, it seems like it was pretty clearly battery, too.

[R.Mackey]

How did he not succeed? Not only was that assault, it seems like it was pretty clearly battery, too.
I can just imagine trying to get a jury to convict Buzz Aldrin, particularly after the provocation that led up to the event... :D

In my work I've been privileged to meet a number of astronauts, most recently Gordon Fullerton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Gordon_Fullerton), who is chief test pilot at NASA Dryden. He's about 70 years old, but he's still got plenty of teeth in his head. Astronauts are about as cool customers as you'll ever find. Whether senior citizens or no, they're still more than a match for your average conspiracy nutcase.

[Dave1001]

I can just imagine trying to get a jury to convict Buzz Aldrin, particularly after the provocation that led up to the event... :D

In my work I've been privileged to meet a number of astronauts, most recently Gordon Fullerton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Gordon_Fullerton), who is chief test pilot at NASA Dryden. He's about 70 years old, but he's still got plenty of teeth in his head. Astronauts are about as cool customers as you'll ever find. Whether senior citizens or no, they're still more than a match for your average conspiracy nutcase.

I'm not even sure Buzz Aldrin is human, given his amazing test piloting career and his equally amazing improvised first moon landing.

It would make a funny SNL skit, Buzz Aldrin punching people in the face and juries refusing to correct him.

Not to good for the rule of law, though ...

[Polaris]

How did he not succeed? Not only was that assault, it seems like it was pretty clearly battery, too.

Because of the provocation that R.Mackey mentioned. He did back Aldrin into a corner literally and didn't move when it was made perfectly clear that it was an unwelcome situation. He was warned, didn't heed the warning, and got a face full of octogenarian ass-whoopin. The authorities (I believe that happened in Virginia) didn't press charges.

[rjh01]

Another thread on a similar topic.
moon landing tapes lost? (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2063288#post2063288)

[CptColumbo]

Actually he never got the chance to call him a thief before he got belted.

I think he got out "Thi....ow."

For more details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin#Stalking_by_Bart_Sibrel

[Larry Lovage]

I'm not even sure Buzz Aldrin is human, given his amazing test piloting career and his equally amazing improvised first moon landing.
Well.... the landing was under the control of Neil Armstrong. And Buzz Aldrin did in fact prove to be all too human, having had considerable personal difficulties including alcoholism after returning from the Moon. Not to detract from his achievements, and indeed his continued evangelism for space tourism!

My personal nomination for "the astronaut's astronaut" will always be John Young. He flew the first Gemini mission, two Apollo missions (including command and a moonwalk) and two shuttle missions, including the first shuttle flight in space.

[CptColumbo]

Well.... the landing was under the control of Neil Armstrong. And Buzz Aldrin did in fact prove to be all too human, having had considerable personal difficulties including alcoholism after returning from the Moon.

Many of the astronauts who landed on the moon were changed by the experience. Aldrin had the added experience of being the "second man on the moon" despite being in the same craft as the "first man on the moon," and the main reason he was the second man to walk on the moon is the way the door swung on the LEM.

According to some of the books I've read about the Apollo program, and a personal interview I got with Gene Cernan, Aldrin was not well liked by the other astronauts. Some found him incredibly arrogant (even for an astronaut).

[Dave1001]

Well.... the landing was under the control of Neil Armstrong. And Buzz Aldrin did in fact prove to be all too human, having had considerable personal difficulties including alcoholism after returning from the Moon. Not to detract from his achievements, and indeed his continued evangelism for space tourism!

My personal nomination for "the astronaut's astronaut" will always be John Young. He flew the first Gemini mission, two Apollo missions (including command and a moonwalk) and two shuttle missions, including the first shuttle flight in space.

ah, thanks. I must be thinking of Neil Armstrong for both the test piloting and the initial moon landing. But "Buzz Aldrin" has the coolest name of those three -shows the advantage of a cool name.

Prediction: you name your kid "Buzz" and he'll be more likely to be a hard drinker and punch a guy in the face one day.:p

(I know Buzz isn't his birth name but that he legally changed it to Buzz at some point).

[Polaris]

ah, thanks. I must be thinking of Neil Armstrong for both the test piloting and the initial moon landing. But "Buzz Aldrin" has the coolest name of those three -shows the advantage of a cool name.

Prediction: you name your kid "Buzz" and he'll be more likely to be a hard drinker and punch a guy in the face one day.:p

(I know Buzz isn't his birth name but that he legally changed it to Buzz at some point).

I'm reminded of that Carlin routine where he says "Any day of the week Vinnie, Eddie and Tony would beat the crap out of Todd, Kyle and Tucker!"

[Mojo]

Uhm, dude - in case you didn't notice, disbelief in the moon landings is on the increase, not decrease. The graph of "moon hoax believers" over time is probably exponential in the period since 1969. This most likely correlates with the fall in the number of pirates over the same period.

[Alt+F4]

In addition to the Lost Moon Tapes, recently found secret documents PROVE that the moon landings were faked and secretly filmed here:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/altf4_photo/moonwalk.jpg

And those morons at NASA thought they had ME fooled!

[bjb]

In my work I've been privileged to meet a number of astronauts, most recently Gordon Fullerton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Gordon_Fullerton), who is chief test pilot at NASA Dryden. He's about 70 years old, but he's still got plenty of teeth in his head. Astronauts are about as cool customers as you'll ever find. Whether senior citizens or no, they're still more than a match for your average conspiracy nutcase.

On one project, I got to hang around with Bruce McCandless. He's the astronaut who worked with Lockheed-Martin to develop the MMU, the flying spacesuit used by shuttle astronauts. He's the guy flying above the earth in this (http://paperairplane.mit.edu/16.423J/Space/SBE/projects/LSSWEBSITE/images/MMU.JPG)famous picture. Anyway, I was in a meeting and Bruce came in and sat right next to me. During the meeting we were discussing the space shuttle vibration levels during ascent and Bruce said, "Once the SRB's drop off, the ride really smoothes out." As an engineer, I'm used to hearing people say things like that, but we engineers only know this from looking at flight data. It was a startling experience hearing it firsthand from someone who had been there. After the meeting, I talked to Bruce on the phone to discuss business, but he also shared with me some rather entertaining stories about the early days of space flight, as well as some of his insider information about NASA.

I also had some dealings with John Young and he was not an easy guy to work with. I personally was never a target for his wrath but I saw him when he was on the warpath during STS-83 and I felt very sorry for those fuel cell guys. I also got to work with several shuttle astronauts and they were very cool guys, very easy to work with and they were actually willing to learn new information.

[ZouPrime]

Reading this thread makes me want to watch "The Right Stuff" again.

[CptColumbo]

My goal is to meet as many moonwalkers as possible. I've met Cernan and Aldrin, and met Sheppard at a book signing before he died. Unfortunately there are two I'll never get to shake the hand of. I also met an Apollo back-up Bill Pogue during a NASA tour (I think he was Mattingly's back-up on Apollo 16).

It's not easy for those of us who aren't rocket scientists.

[Bell]

My goal is to meet as many moonwalkers as possible. I've met Cernan and Aldrin, and met Sheppard at a book signing before he died. Unfortunately there are two I'll never get to shake the hand of. I also met an Apollo back-up Bill Pogue during a NASA tour (I think he was Mattingly's back-up on Apollo 16).

It's not easy for those of us who aren't rocket scientists.

It would be so cool to meet Neil. I hope you got to see him some day.

[CptColumbo]

It would be so cool to meet Neil. I hope you got to see him some day.

So do I, but I would be so nervous I'd be a blithering idiot in front of him.

[uk_dave]

I think gene krantz would be a cool guy to meet.

[CptColumbo]

The nicest astronaut I've met is John Glenn (his wife is even nicer). It was at a book signing, and was worth the 4 hour wait. He stayed well beyond the time he was going to, and was even still chatting with people towards the end. I had on my mission patches jacket, and he asked if both of his were on it. They were. I shook his hand, and after many hours of signing books it was still a firm hand shake. His wife asked about the kids I had in tow, and if I had been able to keep them from being too restless after such a long wait. I told her my sister had taken them for most of the time, but I wanted them to meet a true american hero. She gave them some candy, and told them they were good boys for waiting so long.

[jhunter1163]

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/818

And the moon Ct'ers are having themselves a hucklebuck right away.:D

What's a hucklebuck, and is it legal to have one without a license?

[Redtail]

What's a hucklebuck, and is it legal to have one without a license?

Hucklebuck: slang, A term used mostly by older Black southerners to discribe an event of wild silliness. Also see acting a dang fool.:D

[bjb]

There's a song (http://www.spiritofsinatra.com/pages/Lyrics/h/Hucklebuck.htm) called The Hucklebuck but it is also a rather naughty dance (http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3hucklebuck.htm). Let us all hope the 9/11 deniers are unaware of the dance.

[jhunter1163]

Thanks for clearing that up for me. All sorts of unsavory things were running through my head.

[skepticism]

Russia was about to win the space race. America had to catch up. It seemed to be a matter of respect in the world.

America was afraid of doing a real moon landing, should something go wrong. It would be a publicity disaster.

So America staged it's moon landing, where nothing could go wrong. They did it in the Nevada desert.

Think back to who was running our government? The same people that gave us Kennedy's assassination, Eishenhower lying about Gary Powers' U2 flight, ...

The shadows on the moon don't match. They used trick photography.

There's 2 types of people who claim the moon landing was staged. One group agrees we did land on the moon. But we didn't do that on television. We did the staged version on television, so nothing could go wrong. The 2nd groups of people who claim the moon landing was staged say it never happened, and the Earth is Flat.

Our government has been deceptive enough to do a staged moon landing, simultaneously with a real one, in fear the real one might fail.

[uk_dave]

Why didn't they stage it better?

[Redtail]

Russia was about to win the space race. America had to catch up. It seemed to be a matter of respect in the world.

America was afraid of doing a real moon landing, should something go wrong. It would be a publicity disaster.

So America staged it's moon landing, where nothing could go wrong. They did it in the Nevada desert.

Think back to who was running our government? The same people that gave us Kennedy's assassination, Eishenhower lying about Gary Powers' U2 flight, ...

The shadows on the moon don't match. They used trick photography.

There's 2 types of people who claim the moon landing was staged. One group agrees we did land on the moon. But we didn't do that on television. We did the staged version on television, so nothing could go wrong. The 2nd groups of people who claim the moon landing was staged say it never happened, and the Earth is Flat.

Our government has been deceptive enough to do a staged moon landing, simultaneously with a real one, in fear the real one might fail.

So they feared a PR disaster from something going wrong with the moon landing, so they risked the PR absolute cataclysm of faking it and being found out?

Never mind that the "shadows are wrong" theory has been debunked time and again.

[rjh01]

Government cannot do anything right. The fact that what we saw was staged was exposed three months after it happened when both the real and the fake astronauts came out together with many support staff and said it was all fake. This hit the world headlines. So now the facts are all on the public record.

So what is all the fuss about?

Russia did not even exist as a country in those days.

[Redtail]

Government cannot do anything right. The fact that what we saw was staged was exposed three months after it happened when both the real and the fake astronauts came out together with many support staff and said it was all fake. This hit the world headlines. So now the facts are all on the public record.

So what is all the fuss about?

Russia did not even exist as a country in those days.

What?

[jhunter1163]

It was the Soviet Union then.

[Redtail]

It was the Soviet Union then.

Whoops! Yeah I know that. I was refering to.

The fact that what we saw was staged was exposed three months after it happened when both the real and the fake astronauts came out together with many support staff and said it was all fake. This hit the world headlines.

I'll go back and bold it.

[jhunter1163]

Someone ought to put ol' Skepticism in touch with Buzz Aldrin. I'm sure Buzz would be interested to hear this.

[rjh01]

What?

If the moon landings were staged that is what would probably have happened. So sorry, the moon landings happened and that is what we saw on TV.

The hoax claims are so stupid I am shocked that people take them seriously.

[TX50]

I'm not even sure Buzz Aldrin is human, given his amazing test piloting career
...


Aldrin was never a test pilot. In fact being assigned [post moon landing]
as head of the test pilot school at Edwards (?) contributed directly to his
depression. He's still my hero, though!

And talking of John Young, I recall seeing a film of this same moon hoaxer
cretin trying to give him the same treatment he gave Aldrin. John Young
drawls..."you want me ta knaack you daywwn!?" :)

[CptColumbo]

Here's the footage of Astronaut John Young and Bart Sibrel.

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I don't know if this was before or after the Aldrin video, but if it was after Young probably wanted to get away before he did something reckless and would be repeated on the internet as evidence of a moon hoax.

[Bell]

Here's the footage of Astronaut John Young and Bart Sibrel.

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I don't know if this was before or after the Aldrin video, but if it was after Young probably wanted to get away before he did something reckless and would be repeated on the internet as evidence of a moon hoax.

To bad he choose to run in the end :(
I think Sibrel is a fake, harrasing the astronauts. What an a-hole :mad:

[Mercutio]

John Young
drawls..."you want me ta knaack you daywwn!?" :)

"You want me to knock you in the head?"

[/nitpick]