rikzilla
3rd November 2006, 07:47 AM
I've been given till the weekend to prove that the owner of the UK Truther site (Ian Neal) is an antisemite. I don't need that much time.
If that's all it is and the Jewish Factor has nothing to do with it, why does Israel get special attention? There are countless nations that treat their neighbors or their own citizens poorly that deserve at least as much hateful attention. Why do you folks never seem to talk about China or N. Korea or Sudan or Cuba or Iran or Cambodia or...
There in a nutshell is why I rarely bother engaging with you and other critics who post what is in my opinion illogical and ill thought out nonsense
In that one line you confuse so many issues.
1) You confuse 'the jewish factor' (whatever that is) with Israel.
Israel is the Jewish state. Israel and the "Jewish factor" (whatever that is) are only seperable when you are specifically criticising Israeli policies. You don't do that. Since you don't it makes one wonder about your motives.
2) You confuse the wider crimes of nation states such as China, N Korea, Cuba that have nothing to do with 9/11 (unless you know otherwise) with discussion of 9/11 and the war on terror. Whilst the crimes of nations states such as China, Sudan are of interest they are tangential to 9/11. There are connections between Israel and US backers of zionism (eg PNAC members) with 9/11 and the war on terror that are not there in the case of Cuba and Sudan. Maybe that it explains why Israel and zionism is discussed a lot here?
There is no evidence that Israel had anything at all to do with 9/11. The PNAC people similarly had nothing to do with 9/11. All you have on them is an out-of-context quote. Tell us the truth...part of the reason you don't like PNAC is that some of them are Jewish and all of them support the existence of the Jewish state. There are plenty of other states that could easily be argued as having materially supported 9/11. Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan come to mind. One must ask why you have such a hard-on for Israel that you would implicate it in 9/11 while ignoring evidence that exists against other states?
3) You use the term 'you folks' as if we are all one uniform mass when it is repeatedly explained and evidently clear that there is no 'you folks' towing a party line
Yes, you have no party line...you're just asking questions right?
Reply if you want, it is unlikely I will respond. I just wanted to explain why I usually ignore the ******** that dominates so many threads in critics corner. You are a vampire of energy that I believe deliberately sets up illogical and repetative discussions to muddy the waters and sap 'our' time. Either that or you're a bit dim. Maybe even both.
Demonization now? I'm a dim vampire? You can call me silly names all you like; they have no substance. OTOH I can call you and many others here anti-semites simply because it's what you do.
-z
You are providing plenty of evidence that you are a bit dim and a vampire of energy just in this latest post
But you have not given any evidence at all that I am an anti-semite.
You have 1000 posts to choose from. You have a search function. Show me some examples of what you are talking about. Put up or shut up.
Failure to back up or withdraw your slander will probably see you permanently deleted. You have till the end of the weekend. You do work weekends don't you?
Ian,
You've been wanting an excuse to ban me for quite some time. Now you have it. So go ahead and do it. I have provided evidence galore for every assertion I have ever made on this site. Are you an anti-semite? Of course you are. You will yourself never believe it just as you will never believe all the obvious evidence pointing out thr truth...real truth...of the historical event known simply as "9/11". There is nothing that I can say that you will believe so why try? You will simply believe as you will. A fantasy world is after all safe inside your head. Like a turtle you can duck inside and feel safe. Hey it's your life man, do as you like.
The question of your antisemitism is however a good subject for my departure from this site. I have clearly upset many people by attempting to intrude into their fantsies with hard and uncomfortable facts. Now it's your turn. I truly believe that you think you are fair and unbiased as far as the Jews go. You have acted admirably in removing the "zionazi" and "kike" posts...but I think it's mainly because you are smart enough to know that these overt types hurt the image of your movement.
For me what points to your anti-semitic bias is your insistence in blaming Israel for 9/11. You don't blame the Saudis or the Afghans even though there is evidence of their involvement. No, you point the finger at a nation that has endured decades of Arab terrorism and claim that their very existence is the cause of the terrorism! If you were truly unbiased you would understand that murdering innocent civilians in the name of a cause...any cause...is simply wrong. Fundamentally wrong.
Similarly accusing innocent people of mass-murder, bullhorning memorial services, and ignoring evidence while clinging to a fantasy that isn't even internally consistent is factually, logically, and morally wrong.
The point is not that you are an anti-semite Ian, the point is that the entire truth movement is entwined intimately with an anti-Jewish, anti-American, and pro-Islamic terrorist libel. It is a movement of the credulous, bigotted, and paranoid led by confirmed con artists. The use of the word "truth" by this movement is an insult to the English language.
So ban me Ian. Do it. You've all been itching to remove the true voices of dissent and reason from this site. Why else create a Critic's Corner unless it was to mute the debate? May as well just delete the CC altogether because if you think other critics who post here will leave the issue of your movements' ties to the Willis Cartos' and Stormfronts' of this world alone you are sadly mistaken.
Face it Ian. Your precious movement is not only a lie, it's a hateful lie.
The ball is in your court. You can man up and address the issues I've brought up here or you can do the cowardly Dylanesque response and ban me.
-z
Posted here...since I imagine it will all be gone from the other site pretty soon.
If that's all it is and the Jewish Factor has nothing to do with it, why does Israel get special attention? There are countless nations that treat their neighbors or their own citizens poorly that deserve at least as much hateful attention. Why do you folks never seem to talk about China or N. Korea or Sudan or Cuba or Iran or Cambodia or...
There in a nutshell is why I rarely bother engaging with you and other critics who post what is in my opinion illogical and ill thought out nonsense
In that one line you confuse so many issues.
1) You confuse 'the jewish factor' (whatever that is) with Israel.
Israel is the Jewish state. Israel and the "Jewish factor" (whatever that is) are only seperable when you are specifically criticising Israeli policies. You don't do that. Since you don't it makes one wonder about your motives.
2) You confuse the wider crimes of nation states such as China, N Korea, Cuba that have nothing to do with 9/11 (unless you know otherwise) with discussion of 9/11 and the war on terror. Whilst the crimes of nations states such as China, Sudan are of interest they are tangential to 9/11. There are connections between Israel and US backers of zionism (eg PNAC members) with 9/11 and the war on terror that are not there in the case of Cuba and Sudan. Maybe that it explains why Israel and zionism is discussed a lot here?
There is no evidence that Israel had anything at all to do with 9/11. The PNAC people similarly had nothing to do with 9/11. All you have on them is an out-of-context quote. Tell us the truth...part of the reason you don't like PNAC is that some of them are Jewish and all of them support the existence of the Jewish state. There are plenty of other states that could easily be argued as having materially supported 9/11. Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan come to mind. One must ask why you have such a hard-on for Israel that you would implicate it in 9/11 while ignoring evidence that exists against other states?
3) You use the term 'you folks' as if we are all one uniform mass when it is repeatedly explained and evidently clear that there is no 'you folks' towing a party line
Yes, you have no party line...you're just asking questions right?
Reply if you want, it is unlikely I will respond. I just wanted to explain why I usually ignore the ******** that dominates so many threads in critics corner. You are a vampire of energy that I believe deliberately sets up illogical and repetative discussions to muddy the waters and sap 'our' time. Either that or you're a bit dim. Maybe even both.
Demonization now? I'm a dim vampire? You can call me silly names all you like; they have no substance. OTOH I can call you and many others here anti-semites simply because it's what you do.
-z
You are providing plenty of evidence that you are a bit dim and a vampire of energy just in this latest post
But you have not given any evidence at all that I am an anti-semite.
You have 1000 posts to choose from. You have a search function. Show me some examples of what you are talking about. Put up or shut up.
Failure to back up or withdraw your slander will probably see you permanently deleted. You have till the end of the weekend. You do work weekends don't you?
Ian,
You've been wanting an excuse to ban me for quite some time. Now you have it. So go ahead and do it. I have provided evidence galore for every assertion I have ever made on this site. Are you an anti-semite? Of course you are. You will yourself never believe it just as you will never believe all the obvious evidence pointing out thr truth...real truth...of the historical event known simply as "9/11". There is nothing that I can say that you will believe so why try? You will simply believe as you will. A fantasy world is after all safe inside your head. Like a turtle you can duck inside and feel safe. Hey it's your life man, do as you like.
The question of your antisemitism is however a good subject for my departure from this site. I have clearly upset many people by attempting to intrude into their fantsies with hard and uncomfortable facts. Now it's your turn. I truly believe that you think you are fair and unbiased as far as the Jews go. You have acted admirably in removing the "zionazi" and "kike" posts...but I think it's mainly because you are smart enough to know that these overt types hurt the image of your movement.
For me what points to your anti-semitic bias is your insistence in blaming Israel for 9/11. You don't blame the Saudis or the Afghans even though there is evidence of their involvement. No, you point the finger at a nation that has endured decades of Arab terrorism and claim that their very existence is the cause of the terrorism! If you were truly unbiased you would understand that murdering innocent civilians in the name of a cause...any cause...is simply wrong. Fundamentally wrong.
Similarly accusing innocent people of mass-murder, bullhorning memorial services, and ignoring evidence while clinging to a fantasy that isn't even internally consistent is factually, logically, and morally wrong.
The point is not that you are an anti-semite Ian, the point is that the entire truth movement is entwined intimately with an anti-Jewish, anti-American, and pro-Islamic terrorist libel. It is a movement of the credulous, bigotted, and paranoid led by confirmed con artists. The use of the word "truth" by this movement is an insult to the English language.
So ban me Ian. Do it. You've all been itching to remove the true voices of dissent and reason from this site. Why else create a Critic's Corner unless it was to mute the debate? May as well just delete the CC altogether because if you think other critics who post here will leave the issue of your movements' ties to the Willis Cartos' and Stormfronts' of this world alone you are sadly mistaken.
Face it Ian. Your precious movement is not only a lie, it's a hateful lie.
The ball is in your court. You can man up and address the issues I've brought up here or you can do the cowardly Dylanesque response and ban me.
-z
Posted here...since I imagine it will all be gone from the other site pretty soon.