Saddam Offers to Surrender!!??

[subgenius]

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/5438945?source=Evening%20Standard

Saddam passed the handwritten document to Abid Hamid Mahmud al-Tikriti shortly before the former aide was captured by US forces last week, it has been claimed.

In the letter Saddam called for "fair treatment" by the allied forces for himself and that his family be allowed safe passage from Iraq to another Arab country.

In return he promised order an end to the rebel attacks on the occupying American soldiers, which have claimed 40 lives since the official end of hostilities.

Saddam also offered to help build links between the Iraqi people and the Americans.

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by subgenius
In the letter Saddam called for "fair treatment" by the allied forces for himself and that his family be allowed safe passage from Iraq to another Arab country.


The article didn't say, but did his 'family' include his sons? Although they did not 'run' Iraq, they should also be charged with crimes against humanity.

Originally posted by subgenius
In return he promised order an end to the rebel attacks on the occupying American soldiers, which have claimed 40 lives since the official end of hostilities.


How exactly would be accomplish that? If Saddam is alive, he is certaily capable of setting up 'rebel' attacks. However, I doubt he is the only one. I'm sure other rebels would be more than willing to continue the stuggle, even if Saddam said that he wouldn't be involved in continued attacks.

Originally posted by subgenius
Saddam also offered to help build links between the Iraqi people and the Americans.

This is another thing I know he couldn't help with. I doubt that many people would really be willing to listen to Saddam. In fact, if he tried, it would mean more people would turn AGAINST the americans.

The only benefit it would have would be that anyone who is still holding back cooperation (over fears that Saddam could come back to power) would be more willing to talk. (And even then, with some of Saddam's family still free, they would still be nervous.)

[arcticpenguin]

He can't surrender now - we've already killed him 3 times!

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin
He can't surrender now - we've already killed him 3 times!

Actually since we can't find him now, that means he never existed.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Segnosaur


Actually since we can't find him now, that means he never existed.

*cough*

http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=21608

[Genghis Pwn]

What the hell. :confused:

[arcticpenguin]

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=21972

[shemp]

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

[Questioninggeller]

Originally posted by Segnosaur


Actually since we can't find him now, that means he never existed.

LOL

[reprise]

All of our news reports over here refer to the US as still looking for Saddam or still hoping to kill him. If "the hostilities" have officially ended, and the goal of ousting him from power has been achieved, then I'm curious about what the US plans to do with Saddam if they locate him alive (or even what justification can now be offered for killing him).

Please note, I am NOT saying that the man doesn't deserve to face international justice for crimes against humanity, I'm merely curious about how the US will "sell" whatever they have planned for Saddam should they capture him.

(Are there any nations still offering him a life in exile?)

[MRC_Hans]

Heheh, yeah, since the US have refused to recognize the international war crime court, they can't bring Saddam for that, should they catch him. But I guess they will just place him in a a place like Guantanamo and let him rot without a trial as they are doing with others :rolleyes:

Hans

[Leif Roar]

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Heheh, yeah, since the US have refused to recognize the international war crime court, they can't bring Saddam for that, should they catch him. But I guess they will just place him in a a place like Guantanamo and let him rot without a trial as they are doing with others :rolleyes:

Hans

I suppose they could open a case against him in Belgium.

(Edited for better English.)

[LTC8K6]

How would Saddam justify his failure to take the same offer before the war?

[Giz]

Originally posted by subgenius
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/5438945?source=Evening%20Standard

Saddam also offered to help build links between the Iraqi people and the Americans.

Yep, Saddam has definately shown himself to be skilled at increasing the Iraqi peoples exposure to Americans.

[Genghis Pwn]

If the US does catch Saddam, I suggest giving him a life sentence and putting him in the same cell as Manuel Noriega. They should be fed T-bone steaks every night, with sharp steaknives for their convenience.

[Nitpick]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn
If the US does catch Saddam, I suggest giving him a life sentence and putting him in the same cell as Manuel Noriega. They should be fed T-bone steaks every night, with sharp steaknives for their convenience.

Being a Buddhist (http://www.cnn.com/resources/newsmakers/world/namerica/noriega.html) and a vegetarian - http://www.google.de/search?q=cache:J-xphyYQCwkJ:www.showtimeonline.com/redzone/bhoskins.cfm+%22Manuel+Noriega%22+vegetarian&hl=de&ie=UTF-8 (I've linked the cached site, as the actual site is only accessible from within the US :rolleyes: ), Noriega not only (probably) wouldn't eat the steaks, he presumably wouldn't use the steakknife for the purpose you might have in mind...

Edited to add:
No, I couldn't believe the fact that he's a Buddhist either...

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Segnosaur


Actually since we can't find him now, that means he never existed.


Psssbssttt! :D LOL :D

Not while I'm drinking my coffee! ;)

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Segnosaur

Actually since we can't find him now, that means he never existed.
Or else he hid himself or gave himself to terrorists or destroyed himself or transformed himself into a trailer right before the war...
;)

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by Tricky

Or else he hid himself or gave himself to terrorists or destroyed himself or transformed himself into a trailer right before the war...
;)

Maybe he had a dual use... like filling weather ballons.

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=21972

Jesus only rose from the grave once! What will this make Saddam a martyr? No, a martyr would have to be dead correct?

A prophet? Anointed One? He is invincible! I see a public
relations disaster in the works if he keeps on coming back.


to the tune of "The Cat Came Back"

"George Bush had a despot that wouldn't stay deceased
The despot kept emerging in unstable Middle East
George Bush's army went to seek and destroy
but the clever mustached man pulled a Sigfried and Roy
Saddam came back the very next day
Saddam came back he wouldn't stay a way
Saddam came back he just wouldn't sat away

[Ion]

Idiot argument, pretending to be cynical:
Originally posted by Segnosaur


Actually since we can't find him now, that means he never existed.
To debunk the 'cynical' argument by using a part analogy with the existence of WMDs in Iraq, Hussein did exist, WMDs in Iraq did exist, Hussein might exist now (like the news in the opening post claim) or Hussein was destroyed, WMDs were being destroyed under U.N. and remaining WMDs are not found anymore and not 'imminent' like Bush lied.

Aligning oneself with simpleton arguments, is to be a popular simpleton.

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by subgenius
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/5438945?source=Evening%20Standard

..... he promised order an end to the rebel attacks on the occupying American soldiers,
....

rebel attacks?


How did Saddam and his Regime and any Iraqis that are launching attacks on invaders become rebels?
Is Saddam inciting a revolution or a rebellion?

I have heard the CNN refer the Iraqis attacking the American troops as rebels.

Rebels refuse allegiance to and oppose by force an established government or ruling authority.

I am not even convinced that the Iraqis attacking the occupying force are terrorists. I do not agree with the term "rebel" being applied to Iraqis attacking American forces.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally posted by reprise

Please note, I am NOT saying that the man doesn't deserve to face international justice for crimes against humanity, I'm merely curious about how the US will "sell" whatever they have planned for Saddam should they capture him.

(Are there any nations still offering him a life in exile?)

I'm not an expert at this kind of thing, but, is it even up to the U.S to decide Saddam's fate should be he captured? I honestly don't know what the rules are. The fair thing to do would seem to be to let the Iraqi people decide his fate, but I don't know how realistic an expecation that is...:confused:

That aside, based on Saddam's history, I don't think the U.S. would have to do much of a sell job anyway, even if we were going to cover him in liver sausage and throw him at a pack of hungry Rottweilers. As for international justice, how could you get concensus? What do other posters feel would be adequate punishment?

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by Ladyhawk


What do other posters feel would be adequate punishment?

He should be forced to surf the JREF site, but only with the ability to read Jedi Knight's posts.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Segnosaur


He should be forced to surf the JREF site, but only with the ability to read Jedi Knight's posts.
That would be cruel and unusual, but then I don't guess the Constitution will apply when we get him.

[peptoabysmal]

Even if it's true, so what? Saddam didn't live up to the terms of his first surrender.

Give him the firing squad.

[ImpyTimpy]

I disagree, he should be made to listen to JK directly. This way we'd get rid of two nut jobs with one stone.

Originally posted by Segnosaur


He should be forced to surf the JREF site, but only with the ability to read Jedi Knight's posts.

[Zep]

There's probably one or two airstrips in Antarctica that would need the penguin-**** brushed off regularly ... with a toothbrush. (Apologies in advance, arcticpenguin).

Zep

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by PygmyPlaidGiraffe



to the tune of "The Cat Came Back"

"George Bush had a despot that wouldn't stay deceased
The despot kept emerging in unstable Middle East
George Bush's army went to seek and destroy
but the clever mustached man pulled a Sigfried and Roy
Saddam came back the very next day
Saddam came back he wouldn't stay a way
Saddam came back he just wouldn't sat away

:D :D :D

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Ion
Idiot argument, pretending to be cynical:

To debunk the 'cynical' argument by using a part analogy with the existence of WMDs in Iraq, Hussein did exist, WMDs in Iraq did exist, Hussein might exist now (like the news in the opening post claim) or Hussein was destroyed, WMDs were being destroyed under U.N. and remaining WMDs are not found anymore and not 'imminent' like Bush lied.

Aligning oneself with simpleton arguments, is to be a popular simpleton.

Careful...your bias is showing! :cool: