Jon Ronson on the "British 9/11 Truth Campaign" forum

[Mojo]

From today's Guardian: We rationalists are the oppressed minority (http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1937479,00.html). "Ronson's strings are being pulled," somebody writes. "You can bet there is a Zionist agenda somewhere in what he does." Another poster adds that my Zionist overlords and I don't only control the media, we also control "the money supply" and "everything else as well". And it was us "Zionists" who orchestrated 9/11.

The relevant thread on the "9/11 truth" forum can be found here (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=2482). Ronson arrives at post 8.

[uk_dave]

There is an almost charming simplicity to the claims made by the CT'ers on that board, that I found myself smiling indulgently as I read through them and mentally ticked off the favourite touchstones....

Northwoods? Check
Thermate? Check
Free Fall? Check
PNAC? Check
Drones? (awww bless) Check

And of course the most endearing of all....

"There isn't the tiniest doubt about this."

Such certainty, such faith and such ignorance.

It makes me proud to be british!! :boxedin:

[Big Les]

If you're reading this Jon, well done on that article. Journalists like yourself and Ben Goldacre are doing a great job at documenting the sort of thing we discuss on here. And in fact, us too! Ie the sort of person that feels annoyed or even threatened by the perceived spread of "woo" and the retreat of rational, critical thought, and appreciation of science. You might think we're equally nuts to spend hours on here nattering about them. You might be right.

But personally, I think we rule and they suck, but that's my subjective opinion :D

[Foolmewunz]

Wow! I just read through the entire thread. All I can say is "So many idiots - so little time!"

I expected more. When the Great High Poobah of The Board (Andrew Johnson - Moderator) trots out his ammo, it turns out to be S. Jones, "Pull It", and the phantom flight arrival at Cleveland.

They even spend a few posts genuflecting to the graven images of The New Pearl Harbor and the Great Bilderberg conspiracy.

Don't some of our UK based JREFers telecommute to this site? How do you not claw your way through your monitor to get at them and just give 'em all a good shaking?

:spjimlad: :spjimlad:

[rikzilla]

There is an almost charming simplicity to the claims made by the CT'ers on that board, that I found myself smiling indulgently as I read through them and mentally ticked off the favourite touchstones....

Northwoods? Check
Thermate? Check
Free Fall? Check
PNAC? Check
Drones? (awww bless) Check

And of course the most endearing of all....

"There isn't the tiniest doubt about this."

Such certainty, such faith and such ignorance.

It makes me proud to be british!! :boxedin:

There's also this gem told to me by Ian Neal who is the webmaster of the UK truthy site:
"You're the one making the accusation, so the responsibility is on you to provide the evidence."

This in response to my observation that the 9/11 Truth Movement is overtly anti-semitic.

Wow...if only Ian would apply this same standard to his own movement! Well, then again, wouldn't be much of a movement left...

-z

BTW I've now been banned at the UK site. Do we get a new badge for that; or just an oak leaf cluster added to the previous badge???

[WildCat]

Such certainty, such faith and such ignorance.

It makes me proud to be british!! :boxedin:
But to American ears you Brits sound so smart, even when you're saying the most stupid thing ever. That's what makes Sasha Cohen's character bits even more funny to Americans! Man, I have to see Borat...

[uk_dave]

Don't some of our UK based JREFers telecommute to this site? How do you not claw your way through your monitor to get at them and just give 'em all a good shaking?

:spjimlad: :spjimlad:

No, they need to come here, or to any of the other debunking forum.

They are the ones with the questions. They aint gonna find the answers talking to a load of people who all agree that there was a conspiracy.

[Bubbers]

There is an almost charming simplicity to the claims made by the CT'ers on that board, that I found myself smiling indulgently as I read through them and mentally ticked off the favourite touchstones....

Northwoods? Check
Thermate? Check
Free Fall? Check
PNAC? Check
Drones? (awww bless) Check

And of course the most endearing of all....

"There isn't the tiniest doubt about this."

Such certainty, such faith and such ignorance.

It makes me proud to be british!! :boxedin:


Condolences Dave. There definitely are some dumb Brits out there. We have plenty of morons over here too, so don't feel bad. Just look at where the Keebler Elf theory and the Star Wars Beam theory originated. Yikes! Anyway, all of these people, regardless of wherabouts, are ignorant as all hell and proud of it, it seems. They really are pathetic. Nooo question about it.

[geggy]

Speaking of Brits, how about those numerous wargame exercises that were taking place on the morning of the 7/7 bombings? That's probably what lead the brits to the 9/11 truth because of the similiar tactic that was used on the 9/11 attack with the wargame exercises.

[jon]

Speaking of Brits, how about those numerous wargame exercises that were taking place on the morning of the 7/7 bombings? That's probably what lead the brits to the 9/11 truth because of the similiar tactic that was used on the 9/11 attack with the wargame exercises.

Numerous wargames? I was aware of one simulated attack (don't think I'd call it a wargame) taking place prior to the attacks. Isn't 'coincidence' a better word than tactic, too (even if you do buy this conspiracy BS, why on earth would MI5 need to set up a wargame on the day they were planning to detonate a few bombs in London?)

Oh yeah, and (unfortunately) Brits were into this 9/11 'truth' stuff well before 7/7. It may have grown since then, though?

[WildCat]

Speaking of Brits, how about those numerous wargame exercises that were taking place on the morning of the 7/7 bombings? That's probably what lead the brits to the 9/11 truth because of the similiar tactic that was used on the 9/11 attack with the wargame exercises.
geggy, could you please explain the CT fascination w/ emergency drills and excercises? And how having one close to the date of a terrorist attack helps to facilitate such an attack? I've always been puzzled by this..

[uk_dave]

geggy, could you please explain the CT fascination w/ emergency drills and excercises? And how having one close to the date of a terrorist attack helps to facilitate such an attack? I've always been puzzled by this..

Well it....erm..... stops people getting killed...no, wait, ....ermmm well...erm.. it just DOES, ok?

[senorpogo]

geggy, could you please explain the CT fascination w/ emergency drills and excercises? And how having one close to the date of a terrorist attack helps to facilitate such an attack? I've always been puzzled by this..

Why do I get the sense that, if there weren't drills being run on the day of a terrorist attack, CTists would also point to that as a sign of conspiracy?

[Bubbers]

Why do I get the sense that, if there weren't drills being run on the day of a terrorist attack, CTists would also point to that as a sign of conspiracy?


Just another one of many recurring problems with the CTists. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Brainster]

I like this quote (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=2482&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120) from one of the Deniers:

Ronson refuses to talk on ANY forum about 9/11

He tells me his bible is 'Screw Loose Change'!

:D

[Gravy]

298, geggy.

[stateofgrace]

Those guys are amazing. They reckon to seek the truth but absolutely hate to be confronted with the uncomfortable hypocrisy of their movement.

As rikzilla pointed the entire forum is riddled with Anti Jewish and anti American sentiment. They quite openly deride and insult anybody that opposes them. Nobody bats an eye lid when they label their critics as subhuman; shill’s etc.The mods never intervene as personal insult upon personnel insult is slung at their critics

The hypocrisy is blinding. I had not posted on this forum for some time and was banned last night. My crime?

“I agree with every single word Jay ref said".

I must admit I did go slightly further and compare them to the BNP. But hey they can openly accuse innocent people of mass murder, they set themselves up as the saviours of humanity, they promote this garbage and mock this event. I still agree with Jay Ref and further and to be quite frank am pleased to be banned.

[PerryLogan]

On the subject of amazing, simultaneous war games and such: imagine a group of conspirators sitting around their planning table...

"Say," says one. "How about we stage incredible, simultaneous war games at the exact same time as the secret operation?"

"Sure," says another. "That'll draw lots of attention. That'll totally give the game away. We can add that to the list of bizarre anomalies we've deliberately put into our plan."

And so they voted to do it that way. And lo, it fooled everyone in the world except a few white guys who got on the web.

[Peephole]

I've sent the good man a mail with some links (he still had some questions about 9/11) and an invitation to our forum. Let's hope he bites.

[Gravy]

I've sent the good man a mail with some links (he still had some questions about 9/11) and an invitation to our forum. Let's hope he bites.He is a member here: jonronson.

[stateofgrace]

He is a member here: jonronson.

Welcome jonronson

(Pssst,who's he again?)










only kidding.

[twinstead]

Those guys are amazing. They reckon to seek the truth but absolutely hate to be confronted with the uncomfortable hypocrisy of their movement.

As rikzilla pointed the entire forum is riddled with Anti Jewish and anti American sentiment. They quite openly deride and insult anybody that opposes them. Nobody bats an eye lid when they label their critics as subhuman; shill’s etc.The mods never intervene as personal insult upon personnel insult is slung at their critics



Yikes. The slime tossed at dissenters on that forum makes calling folks woo woos and crackpots here seem like terms of endearment.

[Foolmewunz]

I find myself repeating myself (repeatedly, too!). It's true! :crazy:

Seriously, though.... I'm an old geezer and at least some of the old CT's had some meat on them and might've left you wondering for a while whether or not the theorist actually had a point. (JFK, The Maine, Pearl Harbor... to name a few...)

But the 9/11 crowd are just plain bankrupt, logically and morally. Their "evidence" has been so thoroughly debunked that they're reduced to ISTM (it seems to me) arguments from personal incredulity. The links to the UK site just confirm this on their side of the pond, too.

I think R. Mackey was right. Time to declare victory and start the mopping up operations. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66969

[uk_dave]

I love these guys!!!

Its no coincidence that Ronsons programme 'Secret rulers of the world' appeared on TV shortly before 911....lets get the agenda of conspiracy nutters in place first before the big 911 event...lets ridicule the main players who will be the ones spouting out 911 truth when it happens and afterwards...well hard luck Jon,ya zionist leaders plan has back fired bigtime..

mason-free party
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=5289



ooo ooooooh ooooooo and these guys.....

Ten years ago David Icke came out, so to speak, and declared himself the “Son of God” on a popular TV talk show. A decade later and he’s dropped the “Son of God” claim; now he’s speaking to packed audiences across the globe and telling them about the world’s secret rulers: about the Trilateral Commision, the Bilderbergers and the Illuminati. Names which you don’t normally hear in the main-stream media; ideas and research that Icke has largely taken from others and which his audiences are lapping up.

On Sunday May 6 2001 David Icke was the feature of an hour-long documentary on prime time British TV, entitled ‘The Secret Rulers of the World’. And from start to finish it was an object lesson in disinformation.

The program itself portrayed Icke in a sympathetic light; as a genuine, personable but deeply misunderstood figure and, most importantly, not once during its entire sixty minutes did it refer to his views on Christianity. Even more significant was the fact that Icke was ‘set up’ to be hit with custard pies at a book signing in Toronto at the programs end. This was done with the full knowledge of the shows presenter Jon Ronsson, who divulged not a word of it to Icke, presumably to enhance its effect. Which prompts one to ask: what else did Ronsson omit to mention for the sake of effect?

By the look of things a whole lot more. For example Team Satan, the alleged crop circle-makers, host a web site that until recently featured recruitment adverts for no less than MI5, MI6, GCHQ and the Security Intelligence Services. Now however those adverts have been replaced by a link promoting Jon Ronson, his web site and the book that accompanied ‘The Secret Rulers of the World.’ And while the TV series itself was no great revelation the episode devoted to David Icke was a real eye opener, not because it said anything new, but rather because of what it omitted to say.

blah blah blah

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=149


hmmmmmmmmm I wonder who 'thetruthseeker' is........

ahhhhhhhhhh, he is obviously a man of great intellect...


Almost as soon as the alleged plot to blow up aircraft was announced, the conspiracy theories began.

The internet is alive with claims that it is all a diversion created by politicians.

"No one has been killed. No bombs have gone off. No one was caught with actual bombs," one e-mail claims. Revealing a knowledge that might be envied by most journalists, it says there is "no evidence" for a "supposed terrorist plot" and accuses reporters of participating in propaganda.

Thousands of copies have arrived at in-boxes since the arrests on Thursday, sent by those on the internet styling themselves "truth activists".

The missive has been forwarded not by an Islamic community in denial, but by people such as Bill Boggia, 40, an engineer from Aberdeenshire, and Penny Pullen, a retired teacher from Cumbria.

The original was posted on a website called Iran Solidarity, run from a flat in Glasgow by Colin Buchanan. That in turn was sent to him by Andrew Johnson, 41, a software developer from Borrowash, Derbyshire.

On his website, Check the Evidence, Mr Johnson also suggests that man may not have landed on the Moon and UFOs really do exist. More seriously, he claims that the September 11 and July 7 attacks were part of a larger government conspiracy; the World Trade Centre was blown up without any involvement from Muslims and, despite forensic evidence to the contrary, the London Tube bombers "could have been going on a hiking trip in France".

He adds: "The media is brainwashing people about the Muslim terrorist threat."

At his website The Truth Seeker, Rixon Stewart, from Wiltshire, quotes neighbours who said those arrested were "very friendly to everyone" as proof that they are innocent.

Ignoring the fact that British media are banned from reporting evidence against individuals before they are brought to trial, he adds: "Not a single shred of hard evidence has been produced to substantiate police claims."

Paul Watson, an internet blogger at Prison Planet, writes: "Only through a massively increased counter-propaganda effort on behalf of all truth activists can we prevent an imminent cataclysmic horror show."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/15/nterror315.xml





Bully Cohen can dish it out, but he can't take it

YOU might be interested in this brief exchange, prompted by your website, between myself and journalist Nick Cohen. I initiated the exchange by writing:

"Ah yes that 'incorrigible Nazi' David Irving. The trouble is, that the more the media goes on about him and his alleged sympathies the more people go to his website and realise that he is not quite as bad as he's been portrayed. And the more this happens the more people realise that our 'free press' is in fact presenting us with a distorted version of events: as they did with Princess Diana's death (read Tomlinson's affidavit), and as they are currently doing with the situation in Iraq and the 'War on Terror'. If it carries on at this rate the title of journalist will, in a couple of years, be ranked alongside "child molester." And that includes you, Mr Cohen."

To which Cohen tersely replied: "F*cking off and dying remains an option you should consider."

Seems like I upset him.

Rixon Stewart

http://www.stormfront.org/solargeneral/library/www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/hate/Stewart260702.html


hmmmmmm stormfront eh?

[CptColumbo]

Why do I get the sense that, if there weren't drills being run on the day of a terrorist attack, CTists would also point to that as a sign of conspiracy?

And that darn Sun, what are the odds of it rising that morning to make the attacks visible to "the Sheeple?"

[Peephole]

He is a member here: jonronson.
Oh boy, do I feel silly now.