Truthers quote mining south park

[defaultdotxbe]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5852441294683217681&q=south+park

they even added a big list of links at the end, at least one truther is circulating this claiming its the episode in its entirety

[Garb]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5852441294683217681&q=south+park

they even added a big list of links at the end, at least one truther is circulating this claiming its the episode in its entirety

That is more than quote mining, that is faking a video for thei own agenda.


That's a big no-no.

[defaultdotxbe]

That is more than quote mining, that is faking a video for thei own agenda.


That's a big no-no.
well except for the links they are just presenting scenes from the episode out of context

but yeah, making the 9/11 links look like part of the credits is bad, mmkay?

[T.A.M.]

They better be careful. Given how easy the SP boys went on the truthers the last time, I don't think the wingnuts want to piss off the SP Crew...or the next time, it will not be so pretty.

TAM

[jhunter1163]

I agree with TAM. If they piss off Trey and the gang too much, "retard" will be one of the milder things said the next time around.

Reeeeeeealllly.

[boloboffin]

You would think that Dylan and the crew would understand the importance of the phrase "cease and desist" by now.

[Alt+F4]

I love the end of that episode when Bush explains to the boys what the government did. It's the closest the CTers are ever gonna get to a unified story.

[Skeptic Ginger]

For those of us who don't want to watch the whole clip (having seen the whole episode already) could someone summarize what is at the end or what is altered?

[Garb]

For those of us who don't want to watch the whole clip (having seen the whole episode already) could someone summarize what is at the end or what is altered?

1. Quote from the end of the episode is put into the middle making it seem like the administration is laughing at the fact that Stan said "a bunch of pissed off muslims" were the ones who attacked us.

2. Links for the 9/11 "truth" movement in the credits.

[T.A.M.]

It is one thing to illegally place a copy of the show on youtube. that they seem to tolerate. I doubt, however, that Trey et al or their lawyers will take kindly to misrepresenting the episode, the creators, etc...copyright infringement and making an incorrect statement wrt the views of the creators and then posting it for all to see...

How would one go about notifying the SP legal people?

TAM

[Bell]

It is one thing to illegally place a copy of the show on youtube. that they seem to tolerate. I doubt, however, that Trey et al or their lawyers will take kindly to misrepresenting the episode, the creators, etc...copyright infringement and making an incorrect statement wrt the views of the creators and then posting it for all to see...

How would one go about notifying the SP legal people?

TAM

info@southparkstudios.com

I'm sure they'll forward it to the right persons.

[T.A.M.]

It seems to be hosted by piratenews.org

I don't want to get some little 15y old geek in trouble, do you think these guys are worthwhile reporting, or are they just a bunch of little twirps who dont know what they are doing?

TAM

[MarkyX]

15? Better reason to do it.

[Garb]

It seems to be hosted by piratenews.org

I don't want to get some little 15y old geek in trouble, do you think these guys are worthwhile reporting, or are they just a bunch of little twirps who dont know what they are doing?

TAM

Better for them to learn when they are young.

[uk_dave]

Gotta get someone into those fema death camps...might as well be a spotty oik.... and it will probably save his eyesight.

[T.A.M.]

I am a parent. I know what I would feel like if I had lawyers call me up about my son doing this ****. That said, I suppose the lesson would definitely be learned...wouldnt it.

I will consider this...

TAM

[T.A.M.]

Perhaps I will email piratenews.org and tell them to remove it from their youtube list or else I will email southpark. At least this gives them an out, and still gets the shaite taken down.

TAM

[Bell]

Perhaps I will email piratenews.org and tell them to remove it from their youtube list or else I will email southpark. At least this gives them an out, and still gets the shaite taken down.

TAM

May be a better idea indeed. Or threaten to tell his mom.

[T.A.M.]

the site seems to be run by John Lee. Anyone know anything about him, his age, etc...

TAM

[Skeptic Ginger]

It is one thing to illegally place a copy of the show on youtube. that they seem to tolerate. I doubt, however, that Trey et al or their lawyers will take kindly to misrepresenting the episode, the creators, etc...copyright infringement and making an incorrect statement wrt the views of the creators and then posting it for all to see...

How would one go about notifying the SP legal people?

TAM
And I though Google was purging all the copyright infringements from You Tube?

[Triterope]

I thought Google was purging all the copyright infringements from You Tube?

What would be left?

[Earthborn]

1. Quote from the end of the episode is put into the middle making it seem like the administration is laughing at the fact that Stan said "a bunch of pissed off muslims" were the ones who attacked us.

2. Links for the 9/11 "truth" movement in the credits.3. The presentation were Cartman accuses Kyle of being responsible for 9/11 is shortened. Cartman's obviously ridiculous conclusion is left out and the question who did actually did do it appears rhetorical.

4. The end of the episode is entirely missing. That's the part where it is revealed that the 9/11 truth movement itself is a government conspiracy (a hypothesis that is far more likely than most conspiracy theories that are making the rounds), and president Bush's shooting of the truther was actually staged.

5. As can be read in the description by piratenews.com next to the Google Video, references to homosexuality are removed.

6. No turds

And most importantly:
7. No jokes.

This reediting of the video basically has taken everything that can be mistaken as validating the 9/11 'truth' movement, and that resulted in an episode of just under 9 minutes.

May be a better idea indeed. Or threaten to tell his mom.Here's an even better idea, IMHO: just kindly inform the Southpark people of the existence of the video. If they want to do something against it, they will. But that is not obvious. I'll bet they'll think it is actually pretty funny that there are people who think that they were actually complimented.

I don't see what "threatening to tell the makers of Southpark" (or mom) is going to accomplish. The person who spreads this video around obviously seems to think the makers of Southpark agrees with him so he's not going to be afraid of what they might do. It is also whiny; "Oh, I am sooo going to *tell*!"

[Housefly]

I sent the link in this thread to the email in this thread. Even if they can't pass it on to Matt and Trey, someone's sure to read the email, see the video and have a giggle about how much spare time the Twoofers obviously have.

[T.A.M.]

3. The presentation were Cartman accuses Kyle of being responsible for 9/11 is shortened. Cartman's obviously ridiculous conclusion is left out and the question who did actually did do it appears rhetorical.

4. The end of the episode is entirely missing. That's the part where it is revealed that the 9/11 truth movement itself is a government conspiracy (a hypothesis that is far more likely than most conspiracy theories that are making the rounds), and president Bush's shooting of the truther was actually staged.

5. As can be read in the description by piratenews.com next to the Google Video, references to homosexuality are removed.

6. No turds

And most importantly:
7. No jokes.

This reediting of the video basically has taken everything that can be mistaken as validating the 9/11 'truth' movement, and that resulted in an episode of just under 9 minutes.

Here's an even better idea, IMHO: just kindly inform the Southpark people of the existence of the video. If they want to do something against it, they will. But that is not obvious. I'll bet they'll think it is actually pretty funny that there are people who think that they were actually complimented.

I don't see what "threatening to tell the makers of Southpark" (or mom) is going to accomplish. The person who spreads this video around obviously seems to think the makers of Southpark agrees with him so he's not going to be afraid of what they might do. It is also whiny; "Oh, I am sooo going to *tell*!"


Thanks for the complete list.

As for telling, it isnt so much a "I'm gonna tell" thing, as you are right, that is juvenile, so much as it is trying to some how, some way, let them know there are limits. I mean LC is bad enough in all that it rips off, but at least, so far as I can tell, it does not alter the actual content of what it rips off, and most of what it takes are news broadcasts, which has less creative or artistic input to be messed with than a "southpark" episode.

Now most will laugh when one calls South Park "art", but that is what it is.

In the end, you are likely right. Any form of repremand short of civil law suit, will likely be water off a ducks back.

TAM

[defaultdotxbe]

this actually makes me feel sorry for the truthers, they are so insecure in their own convictions that they have to re-edit a cartoon to make themselves look good

[Housefly]

Not only that, but a cartoon that many of them thought was on their side in the first place.

I don't have the slightest problem with South Park episodes being available online, and I doubt the show's writers do either- they did a whole episode once about how artists should be glad people are enjoying their creations rather than insisting that they pay full price for it.

But I don't think they'd appreciate someone cutting up their art/creative output/whatever you want to call South Park, and making the writers' position appear to be the exact opposite of what it really is.

[The_Fire]

I believe this would fall under Droit Moral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_moral).

Specificly the part about mutilation/distortion. Which means that the SP boys have realistic grounds for a lawsuit the size of....well.....the solarsystem should they decide to pursue this further.

Anyone contacted them yet?

[fuelair]

That is more than quote mining, that is faking a video for thei own agenda.


That's a big no-no.

Not that that would be (hint: it isn't) the first time they faked video for their own purposes.:jaw-dropp

[The_Fire]

Yeah, but it's the first time they are faking the video of someone whom might actually give a damn AND have an entire army of lawyers at their beck and call...........

[Skeptic Ginger]

What would be left?My son seems to agree with this statement. He predicts the Google purchase of youtube does indeed signal its demise.

[Redtail]

Not only that, but a cartoon that many of them thought was on their side in the first place.

I don't have the slightest problem with South Park episodes being available online, and I doubt the show's writers do either- they did a whole episode once about how artists should be glad people are enjoying their creations rather than insisting that they pay full price for it.

But I don't think they'd appreciate someone cutting up their art/creative output/whatever you want to call South Park, and making the writers' position appear to be the exact opposite of what it really is.

Empahsis mine. Matt and Trey don't have a problem with it. Comedy Central does however.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

Empahsis mine. Matt and Trey don't have a problem with it. Comedy Central does however.
I m not sure that Comedy Central has directly asked Youtube to take down copywritten video, but I know that in the case of the Colbert Report, it was their parent company, Viacom.

[Housefly]

Empahsis mine. Matt and Trey don't have a problem with it. Comedy Central does however.True. I was just saying, their attitude towards filesharing will be different to their attitude to people doing... well, this.

I guess to their bosses it's one and the same though. If anything this wouldn't be so bad because they're not showing the full episode.