9/11 dialogue recommendation

[Oliver]

After i saw Loose Change and got interested into the
issue i was interested in seeing a dialogue between both
parties after learning about both sides of the story.

I also post at both sides - in here but also in forums that
support MIHOP and LIHOP. In fact it is not easy to talk
such controversial opinions but i would like to suggest to
keep the progress as polite as possible and to ignore
attempts to discredit you if you join the discussions.

Because i think that many in here are also interested in
what exactly happend that day, i would like to invite
you to join the discussions in a polite way.

Whatever you might think about Dylan or Russel, they
also supported the idea for a dialogue - which is a big
progress in my point of view:

"Jref And Loose Change Dialogue"
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=474

I know it isn´t easy.

- Oliver

[Horatius]

Well, our old friend P'doh is over there, and lets this little bit fly:

I agree with russell about the leader. Without gravy they fall apart. If that guy is just a tour guide then im a dutch man.

I was banned because I put gravy on ignore. The admin at JREF can spin it how they like. Go and register there then put gravy on ignore and see what happens

So, just to test this "theory", I'd like to formally announce that I'm putting Gravy on ignore, for some indeterminate period of time, just to see if I can survive (and not be banned!) without his "leadership".

So, Gravy, if you read this, it's been nice knowing you.....maybe I'll see you again some time.....

Anyone want to bet how long it takes for me to be baned?

[Crungy]

I agree with russell about the leader. Without gravy they fall apart. If that guy is just a tour guide then im a dutch man.

I was banned because I put gravy on ignore. The admin at JREF can spin it how they like. Go and register there then put gravy on ignore and see what happens


In a coupla weeks I plan on putting gravy on my turkey and mashed potatos.

rim shot.........ducks for flying objects.

[Oliver]

*lol* Well, it was this kind of fingerpointing that
inspired me to this message. Even Russel knows
that PD´s behavior doesn´t help and he told him
to take the "high road". So should JREF´ers.

[Horatius]

In a coupla weeks I plan on putting gravy on my turkey and mashed potatos.

rim shot.........ducks for flying objects.

I'm Canadian, we did that a few weeks ago. He It looked quite silly.....

[Horatius]

*lol* Well, it was this kind of fingerpointing that
inspired me to this message. Even Russel knows
that PD´s behavior doesn´t help and he told him
to take the "high road". So should JREF´ers.

The problem with the high road is, if someone's arguments are ridiculous, they should probably be ridiculed. We've tried so many times to convince them with reasonable discussion, which has had absolutely no effect, that eventually we figure they're either just plain crazy, or are being deliberatey obtuse.

If you look at the evolution of the CTist ideas, you can see, they're getting more insane, not less, as time goes by. They've evolved from CD, to Hushaboom C4, to directional micronukes, to Star wars Beam Weapons. How do you have a "high road" debate with someone who expects us to seriously consider the effects of a Death Ray 'O Doom?

Oh, and nope, not banned yet. 30 minutes and counting......How long did it used to take to get banned at LC?

[Bell]

I'm P D'oh his sock. I'm also a Dutchman. Does that mean Gravy is indeed 'just' a tourguide?

[Oliver]

The problem with the high road is, if someone's arguments are ridiculous, they should probably be ridiculed. We've tried so many times to convince them with reasonable discussion, which has had absolutely no effect, that eventually we figure they're either just plain crazy, or are being deliberatey obtuse.

If you look at the evolution of the CTist ideas, you can see, they're getting more insane, not less, as time goes by. They've evolved from CD, to Hushaboom C4, to directional micronukes, to Star wars Beam Weapons. How do you have a "high road" debate with someone who expects us to seriously consider the effects of a Death Ray 'O Doom?

Oh, and nope, not banned yet. 30 minutes and counting......How long did it used to take to get banned at LC?

Well at the old board you could get banned within some
minutes after posting the wrong questions. Personally
i try to ask questions that disproofs some theories that
don´t sum up in my mind without attacking a theory directly.

For example: This is what i posted because i dont under-
stand the scenario of an inside job:


The problem i have is this:

I try to be the conspirator right now and i´m planning
to destroy the WTC:

How can i execute my plans the best way? Let´s see:
the 93 bombing is still in peoples mind and people believe
it was AQ.

The best thing would be to blow it with bombs and
say AQ did it again. No one would doubt it.

But this is to easy. We need some planes for no
reason to attract the whole world and as much
cameras as possible to hide our secret inside job.

Then we crash no plane into nowhere at shanksville
and we say nevertheless it was a plane.

We also crash no plane into the pentagon but to
make it as authentic and believable as possible we
say it was a plane nevertheless.

Seriously: Who writes this stuff?

Nothing personal at all. I simply don´t get it.


Added:

Why is the quality of this video so bad? I´m sorry
but i don´t understand that argument. Do you think
Spielberg is taping the Osama-movies? Someone
taped it and it looks like he had a bad camera.

BTW: If the gov had faked this video, they would
make sure it DOES look like Osama, don´t you
agree?

[Horatius]

I'm P D'oh his sock. I'm also a Dutchman. Does that mean Gravy is indeed 'just' a tourguide?

You can't possibly be a PDo'h sock. You're not posting enough dismissive one-liners.

[Bell]

You can't possibly be a PDo'h sock. You're not posting enough dismissive one-liners.

rite ur on ignore
[/P D'oh]

[Larry Lovage]

I'm sorry - you talked about having a dialogue, and posted this thread here to tell us about your idea - and the thread on the LC forum is filled with invective.

So I should think we're onto a non-starter.

I for one am not in favour of gratuitously insulting people from the other side. I will, however, point out the essential problem with having a dialogue with the Loose Change forum. It isn't even anything to do with the 9/11 conspiracy. But the fact is that that forum is filled with people who think that Loose Change is the greatest, most principled, highest integrity piece of investigative journalism since Watergate. It's impossible to argue to people who feel that this film has "opened their eyes" or "changed their life" is the worst kind of innuendo-laden trash journalism, the first edition of which was filled with so many howlers they've pretty much had to withdraw it.

Maybe we should just ignore it. Even the Discovery Channel itself has broadcast pro-UFO documentaries in its time. There isn't any arguing with people who are unable to see the fallacies therein.

[Oliver]

And i say it is indeed possible to discuss the issue
as long you are polite and ignore personal attacks
from people like PD.

For example:

"Osama confession tape:"
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=153

[Horatius]

rite ur on ignore
[/P D'oh]

Now that's what I'm talking about! Yeehah!

[uk_dave]

I think it's a 'fencesitter' issue (that could have been so much worse had I not been paying attention) where those who have a slight knowledge that a conspiracy theory exists will go to LC and watch the video and believe it all. Without some dissent within the forum the 'fencesitter' will become the committed CT'er.

But the other way to counter that is to get the debunking sites high up on google search returns, so that the next time some uninformed soul goes in search of 9/11 information, they will have as much chance of hitting a debunking site as they will a 'tinfoil' site.

But the committed 'troofers' are pretty much a lost cause, despite their internal bickering. They have too much invested now, and Dylan's foray into "Hollywooooood"(1941) will only help to keep on board those who see the possibility of a little bit of glamour and money coming their way.

"Bollocks to the deaths of 3000 people, we wanna be famous!"

[Oliver]

Well, at least he gave us the chance to challenge them over
there without all the bannings of sceptics like at the old forum.

I did so to bring up the osama confession tape and some other
issues that don´t sum up and i had no big problems as long i
act in a gentle way.

[Horatius]

And i say it is indeed possible to discuss the issue
as long you are polite and ignore personal attacks
from people like PD.

For example:

"Osama confession tape:"
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=153

Yes, but how many bumps did it take for anyone to notice and comment on your post? And after all that discussion, there seemed to be very little movement in anyone's positions. They still just spout off the old lines that people here have debunked dozens of times.

[uk_dave]

But the Ct'ers are the ones asking questions, so let them make the effort to go somewhere where those questions may be answered i.e here.

As far as I am aware, not many people here have questions to ask about the CT...in fact we have precious few questions to ask about the official version (lol) ...... so, let's talk about chicks.

(I would like to apologise for my use of sexist language and assure the chicks on this site of my utmost respect....oooops :D )

[Oliver]

Yes, but how many bumps did it take for anyone to notice and comment on your post? And after all that discussion, there seemed to be very little movement in anyone's positions. They still just spout off the old lines that people here have debunked dozens of times.

*lol* It´s just the beginning of a dialogue. But people are
not as much close-minded than someone might think. On
both sides.

My initial message is about a polite conversation. Off course
you don´t have to join the dialogue if it does not make sense
to you.

@uk_dave: There are "chicks" in here?

[Bell]

I find the new LC boards impossible and painful to read. Their new colorscheme is truly horrific. I wonder if Darat can come up with such a terrible scheme.

[Loss Leader]

I'm not sure how you have a dialogue with a person who is mentally ill. I find that many CTists demonstrate symptoms of psychiatric illnesses. There are borderline personalities, narcisists and full-blown psychotics. I mean, watching a plane hit a building and then disbelieving that a plane hit a building is just not healthy.

There is no ability to reason with a person whose organ of reason is defective.

Perhaps if there were some way to vet some of these people, a conversation could be possible. There are some who are simply wrong. Otherwise, it will be a futile and mutually frustrating experience.

[Oliver]

I find the new LC boards impossible and painful to read. Their new colorscheme is truly horrific. I wonder if Darat can come up with such a terrible scheme.


Let´s hope Lisas "overthrowing"-plans are successful... :D
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2069215&postcount=79

[Oliver]

I'm not sure how you have a dialogue with a person who is mentally ill. I find that many CTists demonstrate symptoms of psychiatric illnesses. There are borderline personalities, narcisists and full-blown psychotics. I mean, watching a plane hit a building and then disbelieving that a plane hit a building is just not healthy.

There is no ability to reason with a person whose organ of reason is defective.

Perhaps if there were some way to vet some of these people, a conversation could be possible. There are some who are simply wrong. Otherwise, it will be a futile and mutually frustrating experience.

*lol* Sorry, but you have to stay at this forum. :D






ETA:


... with chris alfred ... :D
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=57426

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Although the policy of always making sure the other guy looks like the ******* is a good one, of what value is it to discuss anything over at LCF?

[T.A.M.]

As I have said to Russell. When he comes here, I believe in engaging in rational discussion with him. He openly admits that alot of what convinces him is not solid evidence, but rather inconsistencies he cannot explain combined with "Gut feelings". That is fine, for him, so be it, he is entitled to feel the way he feels. I however, put little weight in opinion that is founded in hearsay, speculation, and "gut feelings" that result from unexplainable inconsistencies. As a result, while our discussions are civil, they rarely result in anyone's mind changing.

From what I have seen now that LC is open to public viewing again (I applaud those who made that decision), it is still ripe with invective, though less so than before. If I wanted to be slandered, name called, and verbally beaten up on, I would join. I must say, that is not what I wish, and hence I shall not.

As for the "Gravy is our leader" comment made by the troll PD over at LC...I would say this.

Gravy, and a few others here, have been at this a long time, and have dedicated a huge amount of their time and energy to researching the various aspects of 9/11. If that makes him a leader, so be it, I offer him the title. Do I take advantage of his knoweldge to learn, and to assist in discussions on 9/11, of course...why not. If he has done the research, why double do it. From what I have seen, he is honest, and has his heart in the right place.

Could I "survive" without him...ya, I think so, but I would have to bury myself in this stuff much more intensely. I can hold my own in most areas of discussion.

PD is juvenile, and for a grown adult with a masters degree in math, he seems to be socially retarded. This, unfortunately, is a flaw I find more and more in some of the more outspoken CTers. Luckily, there are those like Russ who provide a more mature approach to their side of things.

Russ. Get rid of the trolls like PD, and I may join. I know you are unlikely to do so, so I will likely talk to you only over here.

TAM

[Overman]

???

Oliver, having been presented with all evidence, what do you think?

[Oliver]

???

Oliver, having been presented with all evidence, what do you think?

What evidence are you talking about? I´m under
heavy question attack right now in this thread:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=612

Damn, i could need Gumboot right now... :D

[Oliver]

Although the policy of always making sure the other guy looks like the ******* is a good one, of what value is it to discuss anything over at LCF?

Uhm? Why are you talking to them if they come here?
It´s a bigger challenge over there ... :)

[Oliver]

From what I have seen now that LC is open to public viewing again (I applaud those who made that decision), it is still ripe with invective, though less so than before. If I wanted to be slandered, name called, and verbally beaten up on, I would join. I must say, that is not what I wish, and hence I shall not.

Nobody attacked me so far beside ROX and PD - but Russel
also says stop if it´s getting to much and PD stopped to
hunt the witch after this thread:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=566

[Overman]

Uhm? Why are you talking to them if they come here?
It´s a bigger challenge over there ... :)


You mean a bigger headache...!

Do you go down to the local loony bins just to hang with the crazies?

If its not One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest its probably a bad idea...

[Oliver]

You mean a bigger headache...!

Do you go down to the local loony bins just to hang with the crazies?

If its not One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest its probably a bad idea...

Well, the "one flew over" scenario isn´t really fair
if you get bombed with thousands of questions and
answers. That´s the same problem i have right now.

So i would appreciate some support - and it´s funny
if people over there also think that PD´s a nut... :D

(but psssst ... he´s reading in here ...)

[uk_dave]

(but psssst ... he´s reading in here ...)

Of course he is...I never doubted it for a moment.

He wants to play in our sandbox..... but he always ends up taking a dump in one corner and getting sent home.

(sorry if anyone was eating when I typed that )

[gumboot]

What evidence are you talking about? I´m under
heavy question attack right now in this thread:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=612

Damn, i could need Gumboot right now... :D


I'm not sure how much help I'd be... what's the topic of that thread?

-Gumboot

[Overman]

Well, the "one flew over" scenario isn´t really fair
if you get bombed with thousands of questions and
answers. That´s the same problem i have right now.

So i would appreciate some support - and it´s funny
if people over there also think that PD´s a nut... :D

(but psssst ... he´s reading in here ...)


The best place to start is probably by teaching them basic logic.

Premise
Premise
Conclusion

type stuff.

Then slowly work your way into logic and fallacies. Make them do examples. Provide test questions.

After that you can start into the basics scientific method and general reasoning. After that you then get more specific with nuances in science, and why its methodical approach works best.

After they understand all of these things you may be able to work yourself into a decent debate.

Good luck.

[Horatius]

Another quote from one of your threads:

I believe the Northwoods document was released due to a Freedom of Information Act request. Does anyone know for sure? They may not have wanted to release it, but they had to.

So, they believe that the Big Bad NWO Conspiracy Guys have no problem rigging buildings to explode, killing thousands, but they balk at ignoring a FOIA request? I can't fathom a mindset that can contain both thoughts simultaneously.

[Oliver]

I'm not sure how much help I'd be... what's the topic of that thread?

-Gumboot

The Osama backgrounds... But i guess Roxdog gave up on this issue. :rolleyes:

[Oliver]

*lol* Dmn...Pdoherty is debunking the pentagon-no-plane-theory... :D

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=598

[Oliver]

*BUMP* For those who missed it...

BTW: Lowrider PD is mocking Abby again...

[jhunter1163]

Every time I read something about Northwoods, I get so angry I want to spit my soda.

For the LAST time, CTists:

NORTHWOODS WAS NEVER IMPLEMENTED AND THE GUY WHO PRESENTED IT TO KENNEDY WAS REMOVED FROM HIS POST!

They say Northwoods proves that the government is capable of planning to kill its citizens. There's also a contingency plan to invade Canada, but I don't see THAT happening.

The government, or any large organization, are capable of a LOT of things. That doesn't mean that they DO them.

[/rant]

I feel better now. Sorry about the soda on your monitors.

[beachnut]

The only thing I learned from this film is that yes, indeed, the no-planers are finally taking their toll on our otherwise sane movement...

OH? They do have comedians at LC!

[Alt+F4]

So, they believe that the Big Bad NWO Conspiracy Guys have no problem rigging buildings to explode, killing thousands, but they balk at ignoring a FOIA request? I can't fathom a mindset that can contain both thoughts simultaneously.

I've seen many, many similar posts:

1. Does the federal government lie or tell the truth? FEMA LIED when it said downtown Manhattan air was safe but the FBI told the TRUTH when it said it couldn't connect OBL to 9/11.

2. Bush & Co. are willing to murder 3,000 innocent people but they are too scared to testify under oath to the 9/11 commission.

[Abbyas]

BTW: Lowrider PD is mocking Abby again...

No, no. I think it's important to move the debate from plane parts at the Pentagon to whether or not I am "doable".

I shall host my own version of the McLaughlin Group:

"Issue number one! Would you do Abby Scott? Pat Buchanan!"

"Well, you're a little young and broke for my taste, but I could..."

"WRONG! I'm Venus incarnate! Next issue!"

[T.A.M.]

He (PD) has the credentials of a scholar, but the frontal lobe of a caveman...go figure. Must have been something in his local water supply.

TAM

[Bell]

No, no. I think it's important to move the debate from plane parts at the Pentagon to whether or not I am "doable".

Well, are you? :boxedin:

[DanKirby]

He (PD) has the credentials of a scholar, but the frontal lobe of a caveman...go figure. Must have been something in his local water supply.

TAM

I know some cavemen who would be very offended by that statement.

[Housefly]

The problem the Loose Change board has is that they're so damn smug that they "know the truth". One of the most despicable crimes ever committed! Them against the world! The US government no doubt wants them dead as we speak!

Their response?

"Get lost troll. Look, this fireman said the words blow up, where is your God now? I don't have to back up my claims but you have to back up yours. I did not address your points but rather reiterated my own, therefore I WIN THE ARGUMENT!"

I can understand flippancy on this forum, because most of you are educated enough to find the CTs ridiculous, but over there? They believe the 9/11 conspiracy is real. Why don't they take it seriously?

This is a problem with trying to establish a dialogue; both "sides" think completely differently. For one thing, the CTs believe that it's a matter of "sides".

[uk_dave]

They believe the 9/11 conspiracy is real. Why don't they take it seriously?




Totally agree.

The CT'ers are either delusional paranoids a la alex jones, who believe in the whole secret world government stuff (with a bit of good old anti-atheist end of days christian thinking thrown in for good measure) or they're just bored kids who want an exciting argument and get a kick out of thinking that they have knowledge which is suppressed within the population at large. They see themselves as rebels and probably love to play up the "I'm being watched by the government because I post on LC forum" paranoia when talking with 'noobs'.

But ultimately, do any of these people, apart from the seriously mentally ill, actually propose to do anything about this crime they so fervently believe has been committed by the USG beyond posting on an internet forum? Or does their fervent belief stop as soon as the computer is switched off and they go to work the next day and pay their bills and taxes and obey the speed limit and support their favourite football team, until they can get back home and go back into the internet forum and become fearless seekers of the truth once more?

I do actually wonder if, should LCFC actually get released in some major way and become popular (somehow) then will some of the faithful start to drift away because it's become too mainstream and no longer has that sense of danger and exclusivity?

[Bubbers]

The problem the Loose Change board has is that they're so damn smug that they "know the truth". One of the most despicable crimes ever committed! Them against the world! The US government no doubt wants them dead as we speak!

Their response?

"Get lost troll. Look, this fireman said the words blow up, where is your God now? I don't have to back up my claims but you have to back up yours. I did not address your points but rather reiterated my own, therefore I WIN THE ARGUMENT!"

I can understand flippancy on this forum, because most of you are educated enough to find the CTs ridiculous, but over there? They believe the 9/11 conspiracy is real. Why don't they take it seriously?

This is a problem with trying to establish a dialogue; both "sides" think completely differently. For one thing, the CTs believe that it's a matter of "sides".

Well said. In their eyes, they are right. They are always right. Alex Jones and Dylan Avery are experts of everything. We are all narrow-minded government shills,robots, and sheeple.

[MRC_Hans]

Mmmm, OK. I'm reregistering there. Since I always take the high road, I suppose they're good for debate, now.

Benefit of doubt, and all that.......

Hans

[Oliver]

I know some cavemen who would be very offended by that statement.

Well, i hope you´re not talking about these "cavemen":

Al-Zawahiri studied behavior, psychology and pharmacology as part of his medical degree at Cairo University.

bin Laden graduated from the university in Jeddah.

Marwan al-Shehhi: It took two years for him to learn enough German before he enrolled in a university with a military scholarship.

Atta graduated with a degree in architecture from Cairo University

Said Bahaji: He enrolled in an electrical engineering program at a technical university in 1996

Ziad Jarrah:In 1997, Jarrah left Greifswald and instead began studying aerospace engineering at the University of Applied Sciences in Hamburg.

and so on...

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Well, i hope you´re not talking about these "cavemen":

I think Dan was referring to the recent Geico auto insurance commercials.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1319381343578952974&q=geico
http://www.funnyclipcentral.com/content/geicocaveman3.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZrjr4A-ASQ

[Oliver]

I think Dan was referring to the recent Geico auto insurance commercials.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1319381343578952974&q=geico
http://www.funnyclipcentral.com/content/geicocaveman3.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZrjr4A-ASQ

Muhawawawaw... :D PD is a commercial-star? http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/merv/rofl.gif

[Oliver]

@Russel:

While i saw that you´re online: You could dampen PDoherty´s
behavior over there a littlebit concerning his personal attacks.
If these type of guys is good for the movement then i have to
congratulate you for digging the movements own grave.

- Oliver

[Loss Leader]

No, no. I think it's important to move the debate from plane parts at the Pentagon to whether or not I am "doable".


Sorry to tell you, Abby, but this guy (http://www.911debunkingthedebunkers.blogspot.com/) votes no. He writes:

Thirdly it shows plain jane Abby Scott trying in vain to debunk Jason Bermas despite her obviously fancying him. There was a sexual tension there, well she felt horny and he felt tense...I would feel tense if I thought she wanted a piece of me

If you can provide a link to anyone on the Loose Change forum who says otherwise, I will be happy to review it. Or you can email me some candid pictures ....

[Horatius]

No, no. I think it's important to move the debate from plane parts at the Pentagon to whether or not I am "doable".


Of course, the true issue is, "Would we be allowed to do you?" I'm sure we all await the results with bated breath...

[Oliver]

*BUMP* for the fight over there...

[Oliver]

*bump* So what? :D

[Calcas]

Come on Mayr,

Don't leave now...

[Orphia Nay]

Another quote from one of your threads:

I believe the Northwoods document was released due to a Freedom of Information Act request. Does anyone know for sure? They may not have wanted to release it, but they had to.

So, they believe that the Big Bad NWO Conspiracy Guys have no problem rigging buildings to explode, killing thousands, but they balk at ignoring a FOIA request? I can't fathom a mindset that can contain both thoughts simultaneously.

Well, it seems, according to Wikipedia (:confused:) the government passed the act that created the review board that recommended its declassification:

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997 by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board [1], a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination. [2] [3] A total of about 1500 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.

"Appendix to Enclosure A" and "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on November 6, 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN's 1998 Cold War television documentary series[4]—specifically, as a documentation supplement to "Episode 10: Cuba," which aired on November 29, 1998. [5] "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.

The Northwoods document was published online in a more complete form (i.e., including cover memoranda) by the National Security Archive on April 30, 2001. [6]

The President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 created the Assassination Records Review Board as an independent agency to re-examine for release the assassination-related records that federal agencies still regarded as too sensitive to open to the public.
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/review-board/

But, yes, yet another factor ignored by CTists. Why (allow the) release (of) 'teh sooper sekrit plans' and then 'cover-up teh conspiracy'?

[Oliver]

Come on Mayr,

Don't leave now...

Leave what exactly? :confused:

[Horatius]

Well, it seems, according to Wikipedia (:confused:) the government passed the act that created the review board that recommended its declassification:




http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/review-board/

But, yes, yet another factor ignored by CTists. Why (allow the) release (of) 'teh sooper sekrit plans' and then 'cover-up teh conspiracy'?

The actual mechanism for the release doesn't really matter, as the guy I quoted believed it was a FOIA request. It's the inconsistency in his thoughts that I wondered about. Of course, the same problem would arise even if he knew the details you quoted.