"It was like doing Schindler's List from Hitler's perspective."

[Childlike Empress]

I just read a post by our friend gumboot in which he follows his hobby of chasing the allmighty sinister islamist conspiracy. He asked us to

Take a look at one Ali Mohamed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Mohamed) and THEN try tell me these people are not capable of pulling of 9/11. Try claim an organisation that had a mole in the CIA failed to hijack 4 aircraft. Please. Did the KGB ever get a mole into the CIA?

Well, it seems he watched the National Geographic documentary "Triple Cross", based on Peter Lance's new book. At least he also tells only one side of the story, if we believe Lance:

In the fall of 2005 I was approached by Jonathan Towers, producer of Inside 9/11, a four-hour documentary on the road to 9/11 in which I was one of 60 journalists and government officials interviewed. I told Towers that I was working on a new investigative book exposing FBI negligence in its nine year failure to stop Ali A. Mohamed, al Qaeda's chief spy who infiltrated the Bureau, the CIA and the Green Berets at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

Towers immediately optioned my research and flew me to Washington where I presented TRIPLE CROSS, my new book to John Ford, programming president of the Nat Geo Channel. He bought the project in the room, declaring, "I don't know how we can't do a documentary."

Over Christmas I wrote a 12 page ten-act treatment outlining the two key parts of the Ali Mohammed story [...]

First, [...] That part of my research was presented in the Nat Geo documentary that aired on Monday.

But that was only half of my story. [...]

And yet not a word of that story showed up in the two-hour documentary entitled "Triple Cross: Bin Laden's spy in America" which aired Monday night on the Nat Geo Channel. [...]

It was like doing Schindler's List from Hitler's perspective.

The casualty of all of this was the truth - and under the guise of a documentary which Nat Geo Channel claimed was "based in part" on my book, they perpetrated a factual distortion unknown in the recent history of broadcast journalism. [...]

When my book comes out I'll connect those dots and set the record straight. But for those viewers who thought that they got the truth on Ali Mohamed from the Nat Geo Channel, I can assure them, as the principal investigative reporter to uncover his story, what they got was a whitewash.

Both sides of Lance's story: TRIPLE CROSS: Nat Geo Channel's Whitewash of the Ali Mohamed Story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-lance/triple-cross-nat-geo-cha_b_28270.html)

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Strawman argument, CLE. You can pick on one single person or incident all you like. But the fact remains that pre-9/11, it was very simple to slash a couple stewardesses throats, and then guide an airplane that's already taken off into a very large building.

The belief by CTs that a bunch of "towel-heads living in caves" couldn't have outsmarted a defense/security system built by white people is racist in the extreme.

[Childlike Empress]

The belief by CTs that a bunch of "towel-heads living in caves" couldn't have outsmarted a defense/security system built by white people is racist in the extreme.

Ehem... build by white people? ;)

No thoughts on the issue?

[Oliver]

Ehem... build by white people? ;)

No thoughts on the issue?

Holy Moly! http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/shocked025.gif

[Oliver]

I just read a post by our friend gumboot in which he follows his hobby of chasing the allmighty sinister islamist conspiracy. He asked us to

Well, it seems he watched the National Geographic documentary "Triple Cross", based on Peter Lance's new book. At least he also tells only one side of the story, if we believe Lance:

Both sides of Lance's story: TRIPLE CROSS: Nat Geo Channel's Whitewash of the Ali Mohamed Story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-lance/triple-cross-nat-geo-cha_b_28270.html)

Could you sum it up to me, Jessica? I´m not sure
what this thread is about.

Thank you,
Oliver :)

[Childlike Empress]

Why don't you take a break from annoying two forums at the same time, click on the link and read it yourself? You can use what you learned to convince your pals at LC that you are a LIHOPer and not just an ordinary troll.

[Oliver]

Why don't you take a break from annoying two forums at the same time, click on the link and read it yourself? You can use what you learned to convince your pals at LC that you are a LIHOPer and not just an ordinary troll.

PDoherty??? Is that you?

[PerryLogan]

SECURITY!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Ehem... build by white people? ;)

No thoughts on the issue?

Dodging the issue again, CLE? No commentary on the inherent racism of the twoofer movement?

Like it or not, brown people are just as smart as whites. If our silly obsession with high tech toys blinds us to a an obvious flaw in our defenses, they are perfectly capable of exploiting it.

[Childlike Empress]

Dodging the issue again, CLE? No commentary on the inherent racism of the twoofer movement?

Like it or not, brown people are just as smart as whites. If our silly obsession with high tech toys blinds us to a an obvious flaw in our defenses, they are perfectly capable of exploiting it.

Speaking of inherent racism: It wasn't me who said that the us defense/security system was build by white men. Your innuendo is not the issue of this thread.

The issue of the thread is Ali Mohamed and Peter Lance's opinion that Nat Geo whitewashed his story.

[Pardalis]

I thought this was a thread about Alex Jones doing a remake of Schindler's List...

[Belz...]

Speaking of inherent racism: It wasn't me who said that the us defense/security system was build by white men. Your innuendo is not the issue of this thread.

Actually, methinks he simply meant that the BELIEF that arabs couldn't have beaten the white man's defenses is ridiculous.

More specifically, and more correctly, the belief that arabs are barbarians and that the west has impregnable defenses is ridiculous.

[Trigood]

I just read a post by our friend gumboot in which he follows his hobby of chasing the allmighty sinister islamist conspiracy. He asked us to



Well, it seems he watched the National Geographic documentary "Triple Cross", based on Peter Lance's new book. At least he also tells only one side of the story, if we believe Lance:



Both sides of Lance's story: TRIPLE CROSS: Nat Geo Channel's Whitewash of the Ali Mohamed Story (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-lance/triple-cross-nat-geo-cha_b_28270.html)
Tell us, Ms. Empress, how does the other side of this story contradict gumboot's main hypothesis, namely, that AQ is fer-sure clever, devious, and extremely dangerous?

If you're going to promote MIHOP, you're gonna have to do better than that the incompetents in the FBI screwed up.

Are you saying that Ali Mohammed did not believe in Jihad? If so, please provide evidence.

If not, get off MIHOP.

[Childlike Empress]

Actually, methinks he simply meant that the BELIEF that arabs couldn't have beaten the white man's defenses is ridiculous.

Maybe that's true but why did he brought it up in the first place? I am not the truth movement and extremely sick of the attempts to get me to justify myself for things someone amongst the 911 Skeptics did or did not say.

More specifically, and more correctly, the belief that arabs are barbarians and that the west has impregnable defenses is ridiculous.

Agreed. As a theoretical, absolute view it is ridiculous but we are looking at an actual event. Deal with the facts or ignore them but don't try to categorize me.

@Trigood: Same goes for you. I am neighter MIHOP nor LIHOP, i have my own opinion and here i was presenting Peter Lance's view on Ali Mohamed - nothing more.

:mad:

[Alt+F4]

The issue of the thread is Ali Mohamed and Peter Lance's opinion that Nat Geo whitewashed his story.

Maybe the folks at National Geographic are still a little pissed that several of their staff members were MURDERED by Islamic terrorists on 9/11.

[gumboot]

I just read a post by our friend gumboot in which he follows his hobby of chasing the allmighty sinister islamist conspiracy. He asked us to


I don't believe in an "allmightly [sic] sinister islamist conspiracy". Do you? Chasing terrorists (conspirators, almighty, sinister, islamist, or otherwise) is not a hobby of mine at all.




Well, it seems he watched the National Geographic documentary "Triple Cross", based on Peter Lance's new book. At least he also tells only one side of the story, if we believe Lance:



Wrong again CLE. Never seen it, never heard of it. What does it say about him?

-Gumboot

ETA. Read some of CLE's link... can't see anything in the writer's rant that differs too greatly from my understanding of Ali Mohamed and his activities. So, if you'd be so kind, CLE, would you mind explaining exactly what you point is? Or do you just feel like harassing me for some reason?

[Belz...]

Agreed. As a theoretical, absolute view it is ridiculous but we are looking at an actual event. Deal with the facts or ignore them but don't try to categorize me.

I did no such thing, unless you contend that arabs are barbarians that CANNOT breach the defenses of the west.

They can.

[Dave1001]

Maybe the folks at National Geographic are still a little pissed that several of their staff members were MURDERED by Islamic terrorists on 9/11.

"Islamic"?? I don't think that adds anything except xenophobia to the discussion.

[Dave1001]

Strawman argument, CLE. You can pick on one single person or incident all you like. But the fact remains that pre-9/11, it was very simple to slash a couple stewardesses throats, and then guide an airplane that's already taken off into a very large building.

The belief by CTs that a bunch of "towel-heads living in caves" couldn't have outsmarted a defense/security system built by white people is racist in the extreme.

Good point and good way to reframe, Sword_Of_Truth. I hope the rest of the 9/11 CT skeptics follow your lead in strongly framing 9/11 CT skepticism as being anti-racist.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

"Islamic"?? I don't think that adds anything except xenophobia to the discussion.

How so? Al Qaeda, and therefore the terrorists', actions were driven by fundementalist ideology.

[gumboot]

So I guess CLE isn't going to apologise for being so totally wrong in her accusations?

*sigh*

-Gumboot

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So I guess CLE isn't going to apologise for being so totally wrong in her accusations?

*sigh*

-Gumboot

Why would she break her streak now?

[Bronze Dog]

So I guess CLE isn't going to apologise for being so totally wrong in her accusations?

*sigh*

-Gumboot

If that were to happen, I have a suspicion it would destroy the natural order.

[Alt+F4]

"Islamic"?? I don't think that adds anything except xenophobia to the discussion.

Calling the murderers "Islamic terrorists" isn't xenophobic...it's just the truth.

[gtc]

Or do you just feel like harassing me for some reason?

Is she a fan of French rugby or English league?

[Big Les]

"Islamic"?? I don't think that adds anything except xenophobia to the discussion.

"Xenophobia"?? I don't think that adds anything except politically correct obfuscation to the discussion.

[gumboot]

"Xenophobia"?? I don't think that adds anything except politically correct obfuscation to the discussion.


"Obfuscation"?? I don't think that adds anything except vocabulary to the discussion.

This game is fun...:boxedin:

-Gumboot

[gumboot]

Is she a fan of French rugby or English league?


Maybe she had a father in the Afrika Korps?

-Gumboot

[gtc]

Maybe she had a father in the Afrika Korps?

-Gumboot

Her dad was a necrophile?

[TjW]

Her dad was a necrophile?

That might explain it.

[gumboot]

Her dad was a necrophile?


At the rate the kiwis were knocking them down, they didn't really have a choice.

-Gumboot

[Big Les]

"Obfuscation"?? I don't think that adds anything except vocabulary to the discussion.

This game is fun...:boxedin:

-Gumboot

"Discussion"?? I don't think that adds anything except... wait a sec.

[Polaris]

SECURITY!

You called?

[Childlike Empress]

Mr. Fitz, in your threat to sue for libel, please, either put up or shut up

by Peter Lance - July 15th, 2009

Seven weeks ago Patrick Fitzgerald, the most intimidating Federal prosecutor in America, sent my publisher (HarperCollins) and me a letter threatening to sue us for libel if [the revised paperback edition of] Triple Cross, a book I wrote, critical of his anti-terrorism track record, was published.

Yesterday marked the four week anniversary of the book's pub date and although it's been out for a month, we're still waiting for his summons and complaint.

It was the fourth threat letter that Fitzgerald had sent since October 2007 and the man who’d succeeded in getting New York Times reporter Judith Miller jailed for 85 days in the CIA leak probe, was growing impatient.

"To put it plain and simple," Fitzgerald wrote, "if in fact you publish the book this month and it defames me or casts me in a false light, HarperCollins will be sued."

You could almost hear Fitzgerald holding his breath and stamping his feet, astonished that we had not rolled over after he issued the following demand in his first letter 20 months earlier:

[...]

continue (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/15/753730/-Peter-Lance:-Mr.-Fitz,-in-your-threat-to-sue-for-libel,-please,-either-put-up-or-shut-up)


My money is on shutting up, but we'll see...

[Childlike Empress]

So far, he did shut up.

Peter Lance discusses his latest book Triple Cross: How Bin Laden's Master Spy Penetrated the CIA, the Green Berets, and the FBI. He talks about how U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald tried to kill the new trade paperback version of his bestselling 9/11 expose, the importance of Ali Mohamed and the 9/11 Commission’s omission of the crucial facts involved, the US media’s deafening silence, the need for a real investigation into 9/11, and of course more.

Last week on Sibel Edmonds podcast (http://justacitizen.com/Audio/BF.show.7.Lance.mp3)

[funk de fino]

So far, he did shut up.

Last week on Sibel Edmonds podcast (http://justacitizen.com/Audio/BF.show.7.Lance.mp3)

Good god, gullible is not a strong enough term for some.

[dudalb]

Good god, gullible is not a strong enough term for some.


IF this was a Warners Brs.Cartoon, we would be doing a dissolve right now in which Childlike becomes a huge lollipop with "all day sucker"written on it.

[johnny karate]

Boy, the attempts to maintain the 9/11 cover-up are just getting downright lackadaisical!

What happened to the good old days of jack-booted Black Ops agents planting evidence, coercing witnesses, and assassinating whistleblowers?

Now it's "If you publish your scathing expose, I might be angry, but will ultimately do nothing to stop it".

[Childlike Empress]

Lance thinks that Ramzi Yousef was the mastermind of 9/11. Neighter him nor Edmonds nor me are seen carrying "inside job" signs with us. But whatever - keep up your stereotypes if it helps you.

[BigAl]

Lance thinks that Ramzi Yousef was the mastermind of 9/11. Neighter him nor Edmonds nor me are seen carrying "inside job" signs with us. But whatever - keep up your stereotypes if it helps you.

Well, he was one of the people that bombed a WTC tower in 1993 and he told his captors that another attempt would be made.

[Childlike Empress]

The interview is well worth listening to.

[johnny karate]

Opinions vary.

[johnny karate]

Lance thinks that Ramzi Yousef was the mastermind of 9/11. Neighter him nor Edmonds nor me are seen carrying "inside job" signs with us. But whatever - keep up your stereotypes if it helps you.

Who said anything about an inside job?

[Bobert]

Maybe that's true but why did he brought it up in the first place? I am not the truth movement and extremely sick of the attempts to get me to justify myself for things someone amongst the 911 Skeptics did or did not say.



Agreed. As a theoretical, absolute view it is ridiculous but we are looking at an actual event. Deal with the facts or ignore them but don't try to categorize me.

@Trigood: Same goes for you. I am neighter MIHOP nor LIHOP, i have my own opinion and here i was presenting Peter Lance's view on Ali Mohamed - nothing more.

:mad:
Wow now your playing the,"I am not a truther" game.
You are now worthy of ignore.

[WildCat]

IF this was a Warners Brs.Cartoon, we would be doing a dissolve right now in which Childlike becomes a huge lollipop with "all day sucker"written on it.
:dl:

[yodaluver28]

I don't think that Lance sees Yousef as 9/11's actual mastermind per se since he was in prison long before most of the plan had been put in place but he does seem to believe that it was Yousef's idea and that he promoted it to his uncle, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who pursued it and masterminded the actual detailed plan after Yousef was imprisoned. It makes perfect sense to me given RY's '93 attack on the WTC and his part in Operation Bojinka but I don't know how much actual evidence there is for 9/11 being Yousef's brainchild.