Wow... I am speechless

[zenith-nadir]

Sure this is about a celebrity... but it is a current event and social issue as well.

O.J. Simpson to discuss killings (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061115/ap_en_mo/simpson_interview)

"O.J. Simpson, in his own words, tells for the first time how he would have committed the murders if he were the one responsible for the crimes," the network said in a statement. "In the two-part event, Simpson describes how he would have carried out the murders he has vehemently denied committing for over a decade.

The interview will air days before Simpson's new book, "If I Did It," goes on sale Nov. 30. The book, published by Regan, "hypothetically describes how the murders would have been committed."

Wh...wh....wh....wh....WHAT!?!?! A two-part "event" & book where OJ will discuss how he would have committed the murders? I am speechless.

[Francesca R]

Looks like a rather "alternative" idea to clear his name? Aquitted in a criminal trial, found liable in civil court.

Might backfire on Simpson—but after being the accused in "the trial of the century" I can see why team OJ would contemplate something like this. As for why Fox would, need you ask . . .?

I understand what appears to be your revulsion, but that would probably be part of the intent of this.

[Dave1001]

It's in incredibly bad taste, sure, but it's legal. The American public can freely choose not to watch him on tv, and not to buy the book when it comes out. If they choose to give OJ their attention and money, then he's not to blame -they are.

[zenith-nadir]

I guess I am naïve. If a loved one of mine was murdered horribly and I didn't do it, wink wink, I would never actively participate in a scheme to profit off how I would have murdered my loved one.

It boggles the mind that this would even be contemplated, let alone produced AND published.

[Demigorgon]

Yeah, a bit disgusting considering he has yet to pay a dime to the Brown family that won the lawsuit against him.

[Mephisto]

It boggles the mind that this would even be contemplated, let alone produced AND published.

We should all have seen this coming. After all, the Movie of the Week deal about Simpson's acquittal didn't materialize (with Merideth Baxter Bierney playing the tortured Mrs. Simpson) and no one wanting to buy a used football trophy what was Simpson to do . . . play golf?

[Francesca R]

I guess I am naïve. If a loved one of mine was murdered horribly and I didn't do it, wink wink, I would never actively participate in a scheme to profit off how I would have murdered my loved one.

It boggles the mind that this would even be contemplated, let alone produced AND published.Well . . . if I was innocent of a crime, but had been subjected to 133 days of television testimony with associated trial by media, culminating in a not guilty verdict which was watched by "one half of the US population" and many from other countries, and was wrongly found liable in a civil case and had had to contend with the mass public believing I was a murderer for a decade . . . if that's what happened, I might do a lot of things such as this. The fact that the murder victim had been a loved one would probably be so deep in history as to be scarcely relevant any more.

[Beerina]

Actually, if my wife were murdered (not wink, wink) I would never do such a thing no matter how much they paid me.

Hence it's just more statistical evidence he did it. Someone needs to "take care of business" with him, like Dahmer in prision.

[Darth Rotor]

We should all have seen this coming. After all, the Movie of the Week deal about Simpson's acquittal didn't materialize with Merideth Baxter Bierney playing the tortured Mrs. Simpson.
She was the ex-Mrs Simpson, which is a salient point underlining the entire, sordid affair. "The tortured Mrs Simpson?" She got out (which was probably a good idea) of a marriage that wasn't working well. (Which IMO is the central tradegy of her life: Nicole and Orenthal James could not find a way to make their marriage work. One, or both, of them didn't put in enough effort. )
I guess I am naïve. If a loved one of mine was murdered horribly and I didn't do it, wink wink, I would never actively participate in a scheme to profit off how I would have murdered my loved one.
How an ex wife with whom one had a history of calls to police is still "a loved one" is an open question. That his children by her were "loved ones" does not appear to be in doubt.
It boggles the mind that this would even be contemplated, let alone produced AND published.
You underestimate the bad taste in American TV production by an order of magnitude.
Well . . . if I was innocent of a crime, but had been subjected to 133 days of television testimony with associated trial by media, culminating in a not guilty verdict which was watched by "one half of the US population" and many from other countries, and was wrongly found liable in a civil case and had had to contend with the mass public believing I was a murderer for a decade . . . if that's what happened, I might do a lot of things such as this.
The appearance of "double jeopardy" in this case is yet another marker against public confidence in a fair legal system. Combine the incompetence in the DA's office (Belosi's Outrage is an argument for that position), or the "assault with a deadly lawyer" habits among those with the means to do so, and you end up with a Bob Dylan lyric describing California as a place

"Where justice is a game"

OJ played a game (football), and made himself rich doing so. He is now playing another game, and means to win.

DR

[Francesca R]

Hence it's just more statistical evidence he did it.This was my gut reaction but I don't accept it on further thought. Per my previous post I don't find it hard to mentally simulate a motivation for doing something like this if innocent, and subjected to all that I list.

It's "evidence that he did it" if you think he did it already. On less biased analysis I don't think it is.

[Upchurch]

If they choose to give OJ their attention and money, then he's not to blame -they are.
I disagree. They are to blame as well.

I figure there is plenty to go around.

[Gargoyle]

Disgusting to say the least!
A man who got his wife murdered writes about HOW HE MIGHT have comitted the murder?
To me it has always been clear that OJ was involved (direct or indirect) in the murder, no matter what any court says...

I wonder how his kids feel about this?

[Ketyk]

I for one won't watch it, read it, or listen to people talking about. (I see the contadiction of me writing this here, BTW, but I'm done after this post.)

It just doesn't matter to me. I think he did it, now he's going say how he would have done it? I can do that. A gun. A car. A knife. A candlestick. Who cares what he says?

We all have better things to do.

[fuelair]

Sure this is about a celebrity... but it is a current event and social issue as well.

O.J. Simpson to discuss killings (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061115/ap_en_mo/simpson_interview)

"O.J. Simpson, in his own words, tells for the first time how he would have committed the murders if he were the one responsible for the crimes," the network said in a statement. "In the two-part event, Simpson describes how he would have carried out the murders he has vehemently denied committing for over a decade.

The interview will air days before Simpson's new book, "If I Did It," goes on sale Nov. 30. The book, published by Regan, "hypothetically describes how the murders would have been committed."

Wh...wh....wh....wh....WHAT!?!?! A two-part "event" & book where OJ will discuss how he would have committed the murders? I am speechless.
What network should I be sending letters/emails to the sponsors of will be hosting this filth in semi-human form?:mad: :mad: :mad: :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp

[Charlie Monoxide]

How else is OJ going pay for all those green fees when he's out searching for the killers on all those Florida golf courses?

Charlie (my heart goes out to the victims) Monoxide

[LawnOven]

What network should I be sending letters/emails to the sponsors of will be hosting this filth in semi-human form?:mad: :mad: :mad: :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp


FOX

[LawnOven]

Accourding to this Washington Post article,

This "If I Did It" is basically a "non-confession", confession of commiting murder..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/14/AR2006111401237.html

[Pardalis]

I must admit I never followed the trial, so I don't have an opinion on whether he did it or not.

I just find it odd that a guilty man would be doing such a thing. Why risk bringing this back to the public's attention?

:boggled:

[Darth Rotor]

I must admit I never followed the trial, so I don't have an opinion on whether he did it or not.

I just find it odd that a guilty man would be doing such a thing. Why risk bringing this back to the public's attention?

:boggled:
He went to USC on a football scholarship, not an academic scholarship. ;)

DR

[Pardalis]

If he's innocent, he is desperate to clear his name.

If he's guilty, he's either the most moronic murderer or the most despicable one.

[bob_kark]

How can anyone be amazed when both Fox and OJ are involved? I'll be amazed when Fox refuses to show a program on moral grounds. It really makes you wonder how a company that defines moral depravity also manages to find a home for ultraconservative rightwing douche bags. As for OJ, I'm waiting with great anticipation for they day they have a "Where are they now?" show and pull up to the dumpster he's living in with his crack whore wife... who he just killed.

[LawnOven]

If he's innocent, he is desperate to clear his name.

If he's guilty, he's either the most moronic murderer or the most despicable one.


Well it's not like he can get charged again. And he probably wants the cash; he's getting several million for the book deal.

[Pardalis]

Well it's not like he can get charged again.

Oh, I didn't know that. Are you saying the case could never be reopened?

[LawnOven]

Oh, I didn't know that. Are you saying the case could never be reopened?


Nope, not as far as I know; from the murder angle anyways. He was aquitted of the crime, so he can never be charged again for the same crime.

[bob_kark]

Nope, not as far as I know; from the murder angle anyways. He was aquitted of the crime, so he can never be charged again for the same crime.
Unless he bribed Judge Ito or the jury... Hmmm the jury....

[Pardalis]

If new evidence is found could a case like this be reopened?

[LawnOven]

You know, I'm still pretty surprised he would bring this kind of attention to himself.

Maybe no "US court" justice in his future, but what about vigilante justice?

[LawnOven]

If new evidence is found could a case like this be reopened?

From my understanding, it wouldn't matter, because he's already been found 'not guilty'. You can't be tried for the same crime twice.



This is called "Double Jeopardy"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy

[Francesca R]

If new evidence is found could a case like this be reopened?You can't be tried for murder twice. It doesn't matter if new evidence comes to light. The state gets one chance and has spent it. (As a general principle of justice, this is a good thing)

I find nothing in the news story to indicate that he is innocent or guilty.

If he's innocent, he is desperate to clear his name.Probably.

If he's guilty, he's either the most moronic murderer or the most despicable one.Or smart. Double bluff or whatever. As for despicable, a lot of people will think this. But objectively the murder itself is much more despicable than any TV show about it afterwards.

I'll be amazed when Fox refuses to show a program on moral grounds.Likewise. In short, for me:

—Not really a huge surprise that OJ is doing this for a number of possible reasons
—Not a surprise that News Corporation is running a TV programme like this
—Not speechless at all. Rather routine really. It would inspire boredom for me to watch it, and not very much of that . . .

[fuelair]

I must admit I never followed the trial, so I don't have an opinion on whether he did it or not.

I just find it odd that a guilty man would be doing such a thing. Why risk bringing this back to the public's attention?

:boggled:
Money and satisfaction. Money is obvious. The satisfaction is in "Ha,ha, you couldn't get me then you can't get me now, I murdered them this is how I did it , Bite Me!!!"

Hope he gets everything he deserves, real soon.

[Pardalis]

Money is obvious.

I agree, that is often the case.

The satisfaction is in "Ha,ha, you couldn't get me then you can't get me now, I murdered them this is how I did it , Bite Me!!!"

That's assuming alot though. The "double bluff" would make him an extremely despicable human being, like if the murder wasn't enough.

[The Atheist]

I am speechless.Speechless? Hell, I'm not even mildly surprised.

Give it ten or so years and Jacko will be on Oprah with a couple of his vicitms, talking about childhood days of fun, sideshow rides, exotic animals and sodomy at Neverland Ranch

[pipelineaudio]

its pretty funny that the same people who call fox media "conservative, prude, censoring" ,etc... are jumping all over to act all conservative when they dare to say something out of the fold.

Remember this is the guys who brought you Married With Children, who left and right alike loved to scream curses upon

[Art Vandelay]

From my understanding, it wouldn't matter, because he's already been found 'not guilty'. You can't be tried for the same crime twice.



This is called "Double Jeopardy"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy
Unless, of course, you're a white man chraged with beating up a black man.

[bob_kark]

Unless, of course, you're a white man chraged with beating up a black man.
Are you referring to a specific case?

[Art Vandelay]

The Rodney King case.

[Ladewig]

In the future, could you include a more descriptive title for your theads? "Wow... I am speechless. O.J. to speak about the murders" allows those of us with slow connections to easily determine if we want to open the thread.

[Ian Osborne]

The Rodney King case.

And Mississippi Burning. Perhaps they could get OJ on a federal human rights breach?

[fuelair]

I agree, that is often the case.



That's assuming alot though. The "double bluff" would make him an extremely despicable human being, like if the murder wasn't enough.

Why yes, yes it would!!!:) :) :) :mad: :jaw-dropp

[Checkmite]

Rather routine really.

I disagree; I think this is entirely unprecedented. I'm trying to find some incident in recent memory which parallels this one, and I can think of absolutely none.

[Cello Man]

Wow. The sheer balls combined with a lack of conscience is amazing.

[Art Vandelay]

And Mississippi Burning. Perhaps they could get OJ on a federal human rights breach?Maybe they would have, had white people rioted and killed a few black people.

In the future, could you include a more descriptive title for your theads? "Wow... I am speechless. O.J. to speak about the murders" allows those of us with slow connections to easily determine if we want to open the thread.
I agree. Of course, the fact that we read the thread shows that the title worked.

[Polaris]

Disgusting to say the least!
A man who got his wife murdered writes about HOW HE MIGHT have comitted the murder?
To me it has always been clear that OJ was involved (direct or indirect) in the murder, no matter what any court says...

I wonder how his kids feel about this?

I think by even asking that question you've shown yourself to care more about them than OJ does.

[Polaris]

If he's innocent, he is desperate to clear his name.

If he's guilty, he's either the most moronic murderer or the most despicable one.

See Post #19.

I wonder if he were to slip up somehow and be caught by someone watching this with a fine toothed comb if he'd be eligeable for the Rodney King/Mississippi Burning "violating the civil rights of..." charges.

Isn't it funny, btw, how not a shred of evidence of "the real killers" has turned up in over a decade?

Dammit! Ian Osbourne gets credit for thinking of that first.

[Pauliesonne]

Shame?

OJ Simpson?

Not a chance!

[LawnOven]

I agree. Of course, the fact that we read the thread shows that the title worked.

I was going to start a thread of my own about this story titled something like, "OJ Simpson: If I did it". But then I saw this current threads title and I had a "psychic premonition" in regards to what it was about :-).

[steverino]

So I have a sick anecdote. I was a society photographer at a mansion in posh Lake Forest, Illinois (Think "Ordinary People") and Fred Goldman was a guest. Nice guy, with a handle bar mustache. So anyway it was a hot summer day and this portable bar was set up out on the back patio and the bartender saw my heavy cameras around my neck asked if I was thirsty. I can't drink booze on the job, and so I said, "Yes! How about some O.J.!":eek: Goldman was just five feet away!

[Trigood]

This is so bizarre. It's like a "non-confession confession."

I cannot imagine an innocent person imagining fantasy scenarios of committing a murder they are trying to prove their innocence of.

This, to me, just reinforces his guilt.

As anyone who was innocent would realize, and therefore would not do it. Another factor reinforcing his guilt.

But then, we already knew that from the DNA. Sigh.

His poor kids. I hope someday they can find some peace.

[zenith-nadir]

I cannot imagine an innocent person imagining fantasy scenarios of committing a murder they are trying to prove their innocence of.The father of the kids writes a book about how he would have murdered the kid's mother..... who was horribly murdered, for profit! Way to go dad!

It is so tasteless and immoral that "Wow... I am speechless." ;)

[zenith-nadir]

The Rodney King case.I was living in LA when that happened. Man, what a nightmare. Here's this ex-con on parole who was drunk driving at 110+ miles an hour on the freeway, he could have killed someone. Well felony evasion wasn't enough for Rodney, after running through some red lights too, he's finally pulled over. Then he charges the cops! He's lucky he wasn't shot. Instead he resists arrest and starts a fight with the cops, (the 13 seconds you didn't see in the infamous videotape, and the reason the police were aquitted). It's at that point the cops really put the boots to him. That's when the edited videotape you'all remember begins.

And this drunk-driving ex-con who felony evaded and resisted arrest became an unwitting hero! A symbol of police brutality, who was the rallying cry for a riot that killed 52 people and destroyed nearly a billion dollars worth of property. I remember standing with some neighbors on the roof of my apartment off Franklin. Plumes of thick smoke reached for the sky from Santa Monica to nearly downtown. It looked like a war was going on. There was a low overcast made up of black acrid smoke and several uncontrolled fires were burning just a few blocks away down on Hollywood blvd.

Well a few short years after all that nightmare King was also convicted of hit-and-run driving, crashed into a house with his SUV, pleaded guilty to spousal abuse and was detained on suspicion of trying to run down an officer after cops saw him picking up a transvestite hooker. What a guy! ;)

Funny but OJ, (who did murder his wife and Ron Goldman), became a hero too. A symbol if the white-mans' injustice and the vast right-wing conspiracy against African Americans! Now he's attempting to profit off the murder of his children's mother. Way to go there pal!

[Snide]

Funny but OJ, (who did murder his wife and Ron Goldman), became a hero too. A symbol (o)f the white-mans' injustice and the vast right-wing conspiracy against African Americans! Never heard the bolded part before. Care to provide links or some kind of further explanation?

[zenith-nadir]

Never heard the bolded part before. Care to provide links or some kind of further explanation?You obviously didn't watch the trial. :D

I'll give you some high notes; Mark Furman, the "N" word, the alleged blood-evidence conspiracy by the entire LAPD to "frame" OJ by "planting" mixtures of Simpson, Goldman and Nicole's blood in the Bronco and elsewhere.

[ponderingturtle]

I must admit I never followed the trial, so I don't have an opinion on whether he did it or not.

I just find it odd that a guilty man would be doing such a thing. Why risk bringing this back to the public's attention?

:boggled:

He would be forgotten, he needs his name in the headlines and this is the most effective way to do it. No legal liability, he was already found responcible in civil court and not guilty in criminal court.

[Snide]

You obviously didn't watch the trial. :D

I'll give you some high notes; Mark Furman, the "N" word, the alleged blood-evidence conspiracy by the entire LAPD to "frame" OJ by "planting" mixtures of Simpson, Goldman and Nicole's blood in the Bronco and elsewhere.Watched plenty of it. I don't recall the entire LAPD being accused of a conspiracy. But that's beside the point.

Where's the evidence of Simpson being a symbol of the Vast Right-Wing conspiracy against African Americans? Seems to me it was just creative defense work, slimy or not.

Welcome to the Forum, by the way!

[ponderingturtle]

its pretty funny that the same people who call fox media "conservative, prude, censoring" ,etc... are jumping all over to act all conservative when they dare to say something out of the fold.

Remember this is the guys who brought you Married With Children, who left and right alike loved to scream curses upon

The purpose of the fox network is to give something for the people on Foxnews to point to showing the end of proper christian society.

[Darth Rotor]

Watched plenty of it. I don't recall the entire LAPD being accused of a conspircay. But that's beside the point.

Where's the evidence of Simpson being a symbol of the Vast Right-Wing conspiracy against African Americans? Seems to me it was just creative defense work, slimy or not.
The charges against him were the symbol. Simpson was being protrayed, by some, as a brother who couldn't get a fair trial.

I think Judge Ito was a fool to let the TV cameras into his court room.

DR

[ponderingturtle]

I was living in LA when that happened. Man, what a nightmare. Here's this ex-con on parole who was drunk driving at 110+ miles an hour on the freeway, he could have killed someone. Well [SIZE=-1]felony evasion wasn't enough for Rodney, after running through some red lights too, he's finally pulled over. Then he charges the cops! He's lucky he wasn't shot.


They probably should have, if they had no one would have ever heard about it and they would never have been put on trial.

[Snide]

The charges against him were the symbol. Simpson was being protrayed, by some, as a brother who couldn't get a fair trial.

I think Judge Ito was a fool to let the TV cameras into his court room.

DROK, maybe I should let it go, but "Vast Right Wing?" Seriously??

[skeptifem]

you would have to be bat**** INSANE to ever think of it.

[Darth Rotor]

OK, maybe I should let it go, but "Vast Right Wing?" Seriously??
Good point, that's a tag line from Hillary Clinton's brand of stand up comedy, isn't it?

DR

[luchog]

I remember watching Network for the first time a bit over 10 years ago, and thinking how prophetic it was, how much like the fictional UPN that the new Fox network was. That similarity just keeps getting closer and closer. I think the only thing left at this point is live assasinations.

[Cylinder]

luchog sort of touched on it, but I think some here are mistaking Fox Broadcasting and Fox News Channel. Fox Broadcasting is probably not considered a bastion of conservatism for anyone this side of Lenny Bruce. OTOH, FNC - a completely different division than Fox Broadcasting - has been very critical of the OJ special.

[Snide]

Good point, that's a tag line from Hillary Clinton's brand of stand up comedy, isn't it?

DRYeah, that's the first thing I thought of!

[Polaris]

luchog sort of touched on it, but I think some here are mistaking Fox Broadcasting and Fox News Channel. Fox Broadcasting is probably not considered a bastion of conservatism for anyone this side of Lenny Bruce. OTOH, FNC - a completely different division than Fox Broadcasting - has been very critical of the OJ special.

From MAD TV, a FOX Broadcasting show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dwj9tKR2KM