WTC7 Penthouses

[TruthSeeker1234]

I've seen the tenant list for WTC7. But what was in either of those penthouse structures? Anybody know?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Relevance to anything?

[Shades_of_Grey]

I believe it was machinery and air conditioning etc

[Horatius]

I believe it was machinery and air conditioning etc

Yeah, heavy stuff, most likely to collapse first.

[Horatius]

And why are you posting here when our Beam Weapon (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66444&page=16) discussion has been left hanging? Or are you admitting defeat there?

[TruthSeeker1234]

The Beam Weapon thread went from Kittens to quoting Monty Python. If it gets back to trying to explain the evidence, I'll jump back in.

[TruthSeeker1234]

WTC7 was 47 stories. Were the penthouses the 47th story, or were there 47 plus the penthouses?

[stateofgrace]

WTC7 was 47 stories. Were the penthouses the 47th story, or were there 47 plus the penthouses?

Where are you going with this?

State your point.

[fuelair]

Where are you going with this?

State your point.
Why state a point when you can drag on and have people respond as if you had a functional brain. Oh, does anyone have a good recipe for crab and lobster au gratin?:)

[maccy]

Since Ace has stated an aversion to kittens and Monty Python, perhaps we should break them out early in every thread. It'd save us repeating ourselves.

Anyway, I'd like to salute Ace Baker - musician and intellectual.

Any connection to the following video is speculative and probably coincidental.

Draw your own conclusions.

AhVWJgIzftE

[Horatius]

The Beam Weapon thread went from Kittens to quoting Monty Python. If it gets back to trying to explain the evidence, I'll jump back in.


Well, no kittens on the last page (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66444&page=16), but there was a pretty good explanation (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2104157#post2104157) of the evidence (If I do say so myself) that you ignored completely during your 11:05AM Post (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2104277#post2104277). It took more than an hour after that (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2104481#post2104481) for the first Python reference to show up, and more than three hours after that for the Pythonism to catch on (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2105097#post2105097).

So, if you're not willing to address a post that discussed some actual evidence, why shouldn't people post a few kittens and Python references? We've come back from such digressions before (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2080456#post2080456). Heck, the thread went on for 8 more pages after that one.

[Horatius]

P.S.:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/9490455687724e957.jpg

[maccy]

The Beam Weapon thread went from Kittens to quoting Monty Python. If it gets back to trying to explain the evidence, I'll jump back in.

As well as the posts referenced in Horatius' excellent post, there is also a long list of posts, in that thread, that explained things to you. It's here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2102820#post2102820) .

If you don't undersatnd the explanations, that's your problem. You have to convince us that there's something weird that needs investigating - we've satisfied ourselves that there are mundane explanations for everything you talk about.

If you can't convince anybody here, you don't stand a chance with the world at large - not matter how many ill-informed people email to tell you that they love your rubbishy songs.

[maccy]

By the way, my predicition is that TS1234 will hypothesise that there was some kind of bean weapon in the penthouses.

Do I get a million if I'm right?

[DanKirby]

By the way, my predicition is that TS1234 will hypothesise that there was some kind of bean weapon in the penthouses.

Do I get a million if I'm right?

I know that was a typo, but I think a "bean" weapon hypothesis would probably make just as much sense as anything else TS has posted so far.

[maccy]

I know that was a typo, but I think a "bean" weapon hypothesis would probably make just as much sense as anything else TS has posted so far.

I was hedging my bets, Nostradamus style.

:D

Edited to add:

Hypothesis - magic beans fired from WTC7 grew into a giant invisible beanstalk that ripped the towers apart.

[GlennB]

I was hedging my bets, Nostradamus style.

:D

Edited to add:

Hypothesis - magic beans fired from WTC7 grew into a giant invisible beanstalk that ripped the towers apart.

Maybe someone ate all the beans and let loose a controlled demolition fart wave?

[GlennB]

WTC7 was 47 stories. Were the penthouses the 47th story, or were there 47 plus the penthouses?

It's a good question.

47 is a prime number.

46 and 48 aren't. I'm sure the Kaballah can be worked in here somewhere.

Meanwhile ...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c148/Glenn_W_Baron/smallringointinsel.jpg

[DanKirby]

Maybe someone ate all the beans and let loose a controlled demolition fart wave?

That must be where the "squibs" came from.

[Bell]

I guess TS1234 hoped the penthouse was like a real penthouse, and rented to one of Bush's family members or a Jew?

Sorry for the derail, carry on with the kitten thread.

[Gravy]

I'm sure the Kaballah can be worked in here somewhere.Damn you for bringing Madonna into this! If there's a conspiracy afoot, it's to give her free publicity before her next tour.

[Horatius]

I guess TS1234 hoped the penthouse was like a real penthouse, and rented to one of Bush's family members or a Jew?

Sorry for the derail, carry on with the kitten thread.

No no no. That's where they stored the shaped charge Uhmplosives that did in WTC3 after the towers fell on it.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904557a77ad0777.jpg


Just because it annoys TS1234 so. I figure we owe him.

ETA:Look at the claws on that beast!

[LashL]

They weren't really "penthouses" - they were "cathouses". No, no - mind out of the gutter... houses for cats like these:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g115/Jazz99/SimbaDuchess.jpg

[maccy]

Perhaps TS1234 would be happier if he went here for a bit:

teMlv3ripSM

[MarkyX]

KITTY!

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2496/1163805645867kd8.jpg

[Oliver]

Perhaps TS1234 would be happier if he went here for a bit:

teMlv3ripSM

:D I love it. It´s a shame or a conspiracy
that they don´t produce new shows or movies
anymore. England will gonna die. :(

[geni]

looking at it from above it is pretty clear it was air conditioning of some type:

[maccy]

:D I love it. It´s a shame or a conspiracy
that they don´t produce new shows or movies
anymore. England will gonna die. :(

They got less funny as they got older, but they're mostly up to good stuff still:

Palin does travel documentaries
Jones makes history programmes
Gilliam is a film director
Idle recently did Spamalot - the Holy Grail Musical
Cleese hasn't done much recently
Chapman, unfortunately, is dead.

As for British comedy, it's in pretty good shape. Here's a smattering of post-python comedy to search for on youtube and the like.

Not the Nine O'Clock News, The Young Ones, A Little Bit of Fry and Laurie, The Day Today, Brass Eye, Jam, Spaced, Nighty Night, Marion and Geoff, Vic Reeves Big Night Out, The Smell of Reeves and Mortimer, Shooting Stars, Big Train, Father Ted, The Fast Show, The Mighty Boosh, The Office, The League of Gentlemen, Black Books, Peep Show, That Mitchell and Webb Look, Blackadder, Help, The Thick of It, The Royle Family, Early Doors.

Probably plenty of others as well - I think we'll survive without new infusions of Python.

[maccy]

looking at it from above it is pretty clear it was air conditioning of some type:

The fema document http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

says the top two floors were mechanical floors and describes the penthouses as "mechanical penthouses".

[Horatius]

Perhaps TS1234 would be happier if he went here for a bit:

teMlv3ripSM


You know, I quite enjoy a pointless argument, just for the intellectual exercise. Say, how bad the CTists are at analysis (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=68502). I can argue either side of that quite happily.

But when it actually matters, that sort of gamesmanship is just plain annoying.

[maccy]

You know, I quite enjoy a pointless argument, just for the intellectual exercise. Say, how bad the CTists are at analysis (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=68502). I can argue either side of that quite happily.

But when it actually matters, that sort of gamesmanship is just plain annoying.

I agree. And often the CTist seem to resort games rather than arguments, especially around around here. Skeptic4Sure's latest "I know something that you don't" thread being the most recent example:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=68854

It often feels to me like the CTists think this is all a game, like they're playing at being political whilst knowing that they aren't actually engaging with the real world and its consequences.

This video of "John Conner" (http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/) invading a campus actually makes me feel quite ill. It's like a bad version of an Ali G or Borat style comedy programme. This is a truther version of activism:

50DyHQZ2llk

[LashL]

I agree. And often the CTist seem to resort games rather than arguments, especially around around here. Skeptic4Sure's latest "I know something that you don't" thread being the most recent example:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=68854

It often feels to me like the CTists think this is all a game, like they're playing at being political whilst knowing that they aren't actually engaging with the real world and its consequences.

Indeed. I actually used the "I know something you don't know" line in a prior post as well. That's exactly the kindergarten type of behaviour that troofers exhibit.

This video of "John Conner" (http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/) invading a campus actually makes me feel quite ill. It's like a bad version of an Ali G or Borat style comedy programme. This is a truther version of activism:


His surname, "conner", is rather fitting, isn't it?

[maccy]

Indeed. I actually used the "I know something you don't know" line in a prior post as well. That's exactly the kindergarten type of behaviour that troofers exhibit.
Yes, I;d just read you post so I was quoting you, effectively (although without attribution...sorry).
His surname, "conner", is rather fitting, isn't it?I hadn't thought of it like that. It's a pseudonymn. He seems to think he'll be leading the fight against the machines:
Mechanical hybrid Terminators are being manufactured by the Department of Defense. These hybrid 'living' computers will soon be more intelligent than humans. These systems include armed flying drones.
source (http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/)Although, amusingly, he doesn't know how to spell John Connor. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Connor)

EDITED TO ADD:

More terminator nonsense from John's site:
http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9

[Horatius]

This video of "John Conner" (http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/) invading a campus actually makes me feel quite ill. It's like a bad version of an Ali G or Borat style comedy programme. This is a truther version of activism:

50DyHQZ2llk

Actually, that video makes me somewhat hopeful. University age kids are the prime target for this crowd. The ones in the classrooms, who heard all of his rant, pretty much seemed to ignore him, or even laughed a bit. They even had one guy ask him to leave. And the girl in the library pretty much shut him out.

As for the last half, most of those passersby probably didn't hear enough of his rant to be able to say what he was on about. He would have looked like just another angry shouter, which a campus is usually full of. And as anyone who's ever interacted with students knows, the rule is, "If it's free, take it. Doesn't matter what it is." Hell, I probably would have taken a DVD back when I was a student, and then had a great time making fun of it with my friends, before dropping it in liquid nitrogen or something.

If this is how their target audience reacts, we may yet have hope for the future.

[Horatius]

More terminator nonsense from John's site:
http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9

Did you see the endorsement for his "manifesto"?

"Powerful and compelling. A must read." -- Alex Jones - Infowars.com

“John Conner is not a conspiracy theorist, he is a conspiracy realist. This book tells it like it is. I urge every American to read it and pass it on to your friends and relatives. -- Wake up America.”
-- Ted Gunderson, Senior Special Agent in Charge (ret.) FBI Los Angeles Division

“I highly recommend John Conner’s Resistance Manifesto. Every patriotic American needs the valuable information in this outstanding book. Its insights are vital to our overcoming the sinister forces now confronting us on every side.” -- Texe Marrs - Power of Prophecy Ministry & Author of Codex Magica & Circle of Intrigue

“A must read for all Patriots. John has the guts most of us wish we had.” -- Mike Hanson, author - Bohemian Grove: Cult of Conspiracy (Infiltrated B.G. with Alex Jones in 2000)

"John Conner, like his namesake in the Schwarzenegger films, has assumed leadership of the Resistance. Forewarned is forearmed and we all have a role to play in the future. Or as Conner puts it, "The Resistance lives within each of us..."
-- Jim Marrs, Author of Rule by Secrecy


Wow. What a bunch of CT kooks and religious nuts. I'm convinced!

[maccy]

Actually, that video makes me somewhat hopeful. University age kids are the prime target for this crowd. The ones in the classrooms, who heard all of his rant, pretty much seemed to ignore him, or even laughed a bit. They even had one guy ask him to leave. And the girl in the library pretty much shut him out.

As for the last half, most of those passersby probably didn't hear enough of his rant to be able to say what he was on about. He would have looked like just another angry shouter, which a campus is usually full of. And as anyone who's ever interacted with students knows, the rule is, "If it's free, take it. Doesn't matter what it is." Hell, I probably would have taken a DVD back when I was a student, and then had a great time making fun of it with my friends, before dropping it in liquid nitrogen or something.

If this is how their target audience reacts, we may yet have hope for the future.

Yes I was also quite encouraged by the reaction. It was his glee in what he was doing, playing a game of confrontation, that made me feel a bit ill. He's a bit of a hero on the LC forum, inevitably:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=947

You could use your free Loose Change DVD to test the Ace Baker theory of evaporating metal with microwaves:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/RainbowCD.jpg/250px-RainbowCD.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RainbowCD.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RainbowCD.jpg)
A microwaved DVD-R (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-R) showing the effects of electrical discharge through its metal filmsource (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven#Dangers)

Edited to add:

Anyone want to bet on AceSeeker3000 trying to use this as evidence for his theories?

[LashL]

Yes, I;d just read you post so I was quoting you, effectively (although without attribution...sorry).

No, no. No apologies necessary in the least! I'm sorry if my post came across in a way that I did not intend. I was simply surmising that you and I were on the same wavelength viz a viz s4s and his juvenile posts, nothing at all to do with attribution or anything of that nature. Sometimes, it's difficult to ascertain the tenor and tone of posts on an internet forum, of course, but I just wanted to make sure that you know that my post wasn't at all a criticism of yours in any way - rather, I was smiling at the fact that we were thinking similarly. :)

I hadn't thought of it like that. It's a pseudonymn.

So sure of the "truth" he espouses that he has to hide behind sunglasses and a pseudonym? I'm shocked, I tells ya', shocked! (And what is it with troofers and sunglasses, anyway?)

He seems to think he'll be leading the fight against the machines:


Cue looneytunes music here.

Although, amusingly, he doesn't know how to spell

That is not uncommon among tinhatters. It seems that a disproportionate number of them are poor spellers and poor grammarians. They are almost universally incapable of exhibiting even the slightest grasp of critical or analytical thinking skills, as well.

(Disclaimer: that said, there are lots of non-tinhatter, smart, critical thinking, analytical thinking people whose strengths are not in spelling and grammar, but whose knowledge and expertise in other fields is quite astoudning. I am not saying that poor spelling and grammar makes one a tinhatter, or that it makes one an idiot absent other evidence of idiocy. I'm just saying that so many tinhatters display such consistently poor language, spelling and grammar skills that it no longer surprises me to see yet another tinhatter displaying such poor skills.

And spelling one's own pseudonym incorrectly, well... sheesh!)

[FramerDave]

And it looks like BS2468 has completely disappeared from this thread. Guess he was disappointed that nobody confirmed his suspicions that the CIA, Secret Service, Haliburton or the NWO was a penthouse tenant.

I'm sure he's off looking for his next crackpot bit of garbage.

[LashL]

Actually, that video makes me somewhat hopeful. University age kids are the prime target for this crowd. The ones in the classrooms, who heard all of his rant, pretty much seemed to ignore him, or even laughed a bit. They even had one guy ask him to leave. And the girl in the library pretty much shut him out.

As for the last half, most of those passersby probably didn't hear enough of his rant to be able to say what he was on about. He would have looked like just another angry shouter, which a campus is usually full of. And as anyone who's ever interacted with students knows, the rule is, "If it's free, take it. Doesn't matter what it is." Hell, I probably would have taken a DVD back when I was a student, and then had a great time making fun of it with my friends, before dropping it in liquid nitrogen or something.

If this is how their target audience reacts, we may yet have hope for the future.

Agreed.

When I was in university and in law school, the line was, "if it's free, it's for me." I didn't see a single person stop to actually listen to his ranting; they simply accepted a freebie while ignoring him.

[Oliver]

They got less funny as they got older, but they're mostly up to good stuff still:

Palin does travel documentaries
Jones makes history programmes
Gilliam is a film director
Idle recently did Spamalot - the Holy Grail Musical
Cleese hasn't done much recently
Chapman, unfortunately, is dead.

As for British comedy, it's in pretty good shape. Here's a smattering of post-python comedy to search for on youtube and the like.

Not the Nine O'Clock News, The Young Ones, A Little Bit of Fry and Laurie, The Day Today, Brass Eye, Jam, Spaced, Nighty Night, Marion and Geoff, Vic Reeves Big Night Out, The Smell of Reeves and Mortimer, Shooting Stars, Big Train, Father Ted, The Fast Show, The Mighty Boosh, The Office, The League of Gentlemen, Black Books, Peep Show, That Mitchell and Webb Look, Blackadder, Help, The Thick of It, The Royle Family, Early Doors.

Probably plenty of others as well - I think we'll survive without new infusions of Python.

Thank you, Maccy. :) Even if i was talking about Monty Phyton
and their flying circus, i take a look at all these new guys. :)

[Trifikas]

Cleese hasn't done much recently

Not quite true - Cleese does a lot of random things. He was Nearly-Headless Nick in the Harry Potter Movies, Played "Q" in the James Bond movie "Die another Day". He's doing a lot of Voice work for Animated movies comming up, And anyone into video games should take a play through "Jade Empire" to listen to his part...


And I second the reccomendation for "Black Books" - Truely hysterical.

Trif

[Redtail]

Not quite true - Cleese does a lot of random things. He was Nearly-Headless Nick in the Harry Potter Movies, Played "Q" in the James Bond movie "Die another Day". He's doing a lot of Voice work for Animated movies comming up, And anyone into video games should take a play through "Jade Empire" to listen to his part...


And I second the reccomendation for "Black Books" - Truely hysterical.

Trif

Don't forget Charlie's Angels full throttle as Lucy Liu's Dad.

[maccy]

Well, no kittens on the last page (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66444&page=16), but there was a pretty good explanation (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2104157#post2104157) of the evidence (If I do say so myself) that you ignored completely during your 11:05AM Post (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2104277#post2104277). It took more than an hour after that (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2104481#post2104481) for the first Python reference to show up, and more than three hours after that for the Pythonism to catch on (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2105097#post2105097).

So, if you're not willing to address a post that discussed some actual evidence, why shouldn't people post a few kittens and Python references? We've come back from such digressions before (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2080456#post2080456). Heck, the thread went on for 8 more pages after that one.

Startling new evidence suggests that the thread was pre-wired with Python (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2017280#post2017280) and so its collapse is looking even more suspicious.

[Horatius]

Startling new evidence suggests that the thread was pre-wired with Python (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2017280#post2017280) and so its collapse is looking even more suspicious.

OMFG! Now I beleive everything BS1234 has ever said!

Thanks for opening my eyes!






Any bets on how long it will take him to quote me out of context?