How come McKinley and Garfield get no love?

[Donal]

They were both shot. They were both Masons. The only two Mason presidents to be publicly executed. McKinley was very out about his membership. And yet, nary a word about either.

Why do they get burried in history? What exactly is being covered up?

[Larry Lovage]

Probably the fact that being shot was the most significant thing that happened to them.....

This was a century and more ago, and neither of them was a Lincoln or a Kennedy. Is it that surprising?

[Donal]

Maybe the NWO is just using Lincoln and Kennedy to head fake us. Maybe they were both just assassinations by nut jobs instead of public executions. This way, we go looking into them while the real plots, McKinley and Garfield, slip quietly away in obscurity. Think about that for a minute.

[Larry Lovage]

Ironically, I think you have it the wrong way round. Wilkes Booth had a genuine grievance and hatred for Lincoln, and Oswald was an "I'll show them!" obsessive. But Charles Guiteau, who shot Garfield, was a god's honest truth whackjob, a real paranoid schizophrenic. I don't know anything about McKinley's shooting I'm afraid.

Other than that, are you saying that the NWO only assassinates their own (Masonic) members?

What other Presidents were Masons? I believe most of them were in the 18th and early 19th Centuries, were they not?

[sackett]

Leon Czolgosz shot McKinley. Ahem, I said, "Czolgosz." Jewish enough for you?

And how do you know James Garfield's real name wasn't Joshua Garhfeldt? Prove it wasn't!

Donal, who are you working for?

(Donal spelled backward is Lanod -- Hebrew if I ever heard it!

[shemp]

I don't know anything about McKinley's shooting I'm afraid.

That's not what the FBI thinks, and they have a few questions they want to ask you.

[shemp]

And what about William Henry Harrison? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Harrison) History records that he died of pneumonia. But that's just what they WANT you to think. The Masons killed him with their Sooper-Sekret Flying Hat of Death! The killings of Garfield and McKinley were retaliation!

[Hellbound]

If you want to uncover the conspiracy, look into the Presidents that lived.


[cue spooky music]

[Horatius]

(Donal spelled backward is Lanod -- Hebrew if I ever heard it!

It's also an anagram of "Lando", and we all know Billy Dee Williams is a "stealth Jew", right?

[sackett]

There really is, or was, a suspicion that Warren Harding was poisoned. Dunno how we can involve the NWO or the Masons. I suspect we lack the talent* to be real CTers.

* I use the word "talent" out of respect for Rule 8.

[Fnord]

Even more suspicious ... James Abram Garfield is called the "Last of the Log Cabin Presidents"! His successor (Chester A. Arthur) practically invented the US Civil Service ... all that bureaucratic power at his fingertips...

William McKinley wanted the US to hoard gold and silver, while his successor (Theodore Roosevelt) went on to spend as much of it as he could.

Naaah ... no conspiracy at all ... Mere coincidence ...

[Regnad Kcin]

What other Presidents were Masons? I believe most of them were in the 18th and early 19th Centuries, were they not?http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/

[Gbob]

For the record, there *is* a McKinley conspiracy theory, but it's regional.

Here in Buffalo, New York (where he was shot) there's a belief that there is a "McKinley Curse" that keeps our sports teams from winning championships. Add that to the X-Files episode where the Cigarette Smoking Man rigs the Bills game, and it's clear that the NWO is activly working against Buffalo Sports teams.

[Mashuna]

Donal spelled backward is Lanod -- Hebrew if I ever heard it!

No, you've got it all wrong. It was the Welsh mafia behind it all - Llanod Llewelyn is the man you're looking for. :eek:

[brodski]

I want to know why there's no Spencer Perceval CT. Was it the Russians? the Catholics? The Americans? (he was shot in 1812), and how did Tchaikovsky know about it before the event. (Spencer was SHOT, the 1812 overture ends with a cannon shot, coincidence? I don't think!)

[Donal]

No, you've got it all wrong. It was the Welsh mafia behind it all - Llanod Llewelyn is the man you're looking for. :eek:


Well, my name is old Irish....or so my parents tell me.

And, Gbob, Hull didn't control the puck. I have grainy video proof.

[sackett]

James Abram Garfield! Told ya! Wake up, sheeple!

You'll all be eating blintzes and going "Oy!" before tomorrow morning.

[jhunter1163]

Harding had the most, and I include Nixon and GWB in this statement, corrupt administration in history. I wonder if he was poisoned to spare the country the embarrassment of having him indicted/impeached. Either that or his wife found out about the mistress. Whichever, he most definitely did have people gunning for him.

[Bell]

What I want to know is, why did the state of Alaska changed the name of Mount McKinley to Mount Denali? What are they covering up?

[PerryLogan]

Ronald Reagan had the most corrupt adminstration in American history, as measured by the total number of convictions and forced resignations of members of the administration.

The Reagan gang would sometimes rack up more convictions and forced resignations in one day than the Clinton Administration managed in its entire eight years.

(The Clinton Administration had fewer convictions and forced resignations than any two-term adminstration in the 20th century. By this measure, Clinton's was the cleanest administration since Teddy Roosevelt.)

GWB would now hold the record for corruption, except he's not really President.

[sackett]

What I want to know is, why did the state of Alaska changed the name of Mount McKinley to Mount Denali? What are they covering up?

They were trying to spell "Denial" and got it a little wrong.

No, wait, they're trying to tell us something! Omigod! Bell! Get away from the window!

[Bell]

They were trying to spell "Denial" and got it a little wrong.

No, wait, they're trying to tell us something! Omigod! Bell! Get away from the window!

That's some great advice, sackett. Thanks! :tinfoil

I also want to say ... ooh, wait some. Somebody is at the door.

[jhunter1163]

The Inuit wanted their culture to be recognized, and figured "what the hey, it's in a remote place and named after a historically obscure president, who'll know the difference?" So they slapped up some "Denali" signs and called it good.

More power to them.

[Retrograde]

Here in Buffalo, New York (where he was shot) there's a belief that there is a "McKinley Curse" that keeps our sports teams from winning championships. Add that to the X-Files episode where the Cigarette Smoking Man rigs the Bills game, and it's clear that the NWO is activly working against Buffalo Sports teams.

Hmmmm - I never heard that growing up in Buffalo, although the Bills weren't doing that badly back then (we're talking the 60s here).

My grandmother claimed that Czolgosz stayed with my grandfather's cousin the night before he shot McKinley. My grandmother was not one to let facts get in the way of a good story.

I'm sure that if we looked hard enough we'd find some funny stuff regarding Tesla and Roosevelt setting Czolgosz up as their patsy. After all, McKinley was shot at the Pan-American exposition in Buffalo, which featured electricity! The oil of its day! And the country wouldn't elect someone as young and inexperienced as T.R., so he had to have McKinley bumped off. And what happened to Czolgosz - the electric chair! It's all blindingly obvious to me! Think I can get a book contract out of this :) ?

Seriously, though, according to Tuchman's The Proud Tower McKinley's shooting was one of a series of political assassinations in the late 19th - early 20th century, ending with Archduke Fredinand in Sarajevo in 1914. IMHO, Czolgosz was connected with the American anarchist movement, and claimed he shot McKinley to bring attention to the imbalance of wealth he saw in the US.

BTW, Robert Lincoln was present at Lincoln's deathbed, was at the train station when Garfield was shot, and was on his way to Buffalo when McKinley was shot. That's the man we should be looking at....

[njslim]

You are forgetting how our beloved 12th president Zachary Taylor was
murdered, yes I said murdered ! by a conspiracy of slave holders!


So goes the CT that Taylor ("OLD ROUGH & READY") was poisoned by a
cabal of pro slavery types who were angered by Taylor's refusal to support
slavery - in particular having California adopted an anti slavery state
constitution and bypassing the territorial stage to be admitted directly to
the union. Also tried same thing with New Mexico, but didn't have enough
population to qualify as state. Pro slavery forces were attempting to force
slavery in the new territories acquired from Mexico.

In the 1980's several whackademics (demented academics who these days
promote 9/11 conspiracies and anti US garabge) claimed that Taylor was
poison with arsenic - created enough of controversy that Taylor's body
was exhumed and autopsied - slight traces of arsenic where found, but
not enough to be poisoning. Usual cause of death is severe food poisoning
Another theory is that Taylor suffered from heat stroke and dehydration
during 4th of July ceremony laying cornerstone of Washington Monument.

[Elizabeth I]

But...but...he's just a lovable fuzzy orange cat.

This reign of terror has got to stop.

[skepticism]

Harding's wife had Warren Harding killed. She poisoned him. It's time to give women credit. It's unfair to women to think men are the only ones who can kill presidents. Women did it.

That's true to John Kennedy. Jackie knew JFK was having sex with Marilyn Monroe and other women.

This also explains Vincent Foster's death. Hillary hired the hit men to kill Bill Clinton,but they shot Vincent Foster instead. Foster isn't clear though. Hillary might have just teased Bill Clinton, had Foster shot to send Bill a wakeup call, that's he could be next. Or Hillary's hit men might have been a little careless, and got Vincent by mistake. You never know.

Eleanor Roosevelt had FDR die sooner than expected, when she found out about Lucy Mercer.

This is just a matter of simple equal rights for women, equal opportunity conspiracies, an attempt to end gender discrimination in assassination theories.

The French have an adage about this. Look for the woman. People don't do that, so they never understand what really happened. It's like doing math and leaving out half the equation.

It's time to give women their due. They're as intelligent as men, capable of killing men, as much as men. It's only fair. Prisons are filled with men, it's time for some affirmative action in accusations. Flo killed Warren Harding. That's Florence Mabel Kling De Wolf. That name should be as famous as Lee Harvey Oswald. Plus it sounds much more dignified.

Florence Mabel Kling De Wolf. She did it.

It's similar to a joke about Winston Churchill. A woman comes up to Winston and says, "If you were my husband, I'd put poison in your tea." Winston responds, "If you were my wife, I'd drink it."

Jackie Kennedy's mother would tell her she deserved a more affluent husband. She moved on to Aristotle Onassis. When Aristotle died, she found a diamond seller. Someone should investigate how much Jackie profited from JFK's death. Jackie spoke fluent Italian, and fluent Spanish. She was in contact with the Mafia and Cubans who did the hit job on JFK. Jackie is the Black Widow.

William McKinley's wife was Ida Saxton. Ida is pretty suspicious name. Then there's James A. Garfields' wife, Lucretia Rudolph. Lucretia? Anyone named Lucretia must have been plotting her husband's death before she even met him. she had it all thought out years in advance.

Garfield wasn't assassinated. The bullet wound was minor. He was shot July 2, 1881. He died Sept. 19, 1881. That's 79 days, over 11 weeks later. Garfield survived the shooting. Charles J. Guiteau didn't kill Garfield. Lucretia did. They just made it look like Guiteau did it.

Lucretia was hiring a hit man long before Garfield stuck her with 7 kids. You can hear the conversation between them. "James, I'm going to hire a hit man and have you killed, if we even get close to 8 kids" "Lucretia, you're so beautiful when you're angry."

Guiteau couldn't even shoot straight. Lucretia had to finish the job. If you want the job done right, hire a woman.

[NobbyNobbs]

Why do they get burried in history? What exactly is being covered up?


Arlington Cemetary. Their coffins.


Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said "where...."

[Bell]

If you want the job done right, hire a woman.

Not necesaraly. Hitler killed himself.