More top truther science!

[maccy]

From a thread at LC talking about the no-planes theory:

Some people have cameras that are very fast and can take numerous photos in nanoseconds.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1128&view=findpost&p=9531482

I think I've found something for my signature.

[Anti-sophist]

We need a hall of shame thread. Heh.

The "iron" comment in my sig honestly blew me away. That's when I realized exactly what I was up against.

[Redtail]

Yes, I saw the 2nd plane LIVE on television and I can tell you that my initial reaction to seeing it was that it looked fake. It looked so strange.I can understand that, what with the thousands of planes that have crashed into buildnings over the years. Do these people read what they write?

ETA: After reading what Oliver just posted I'm gonna say no.

[Oliver]

This quote of the same guy is even better:

I've investigated the no planes theory a little bit. My opinion is that it's a hoax. I can't remember exactly why...

[Anti-sophist]

Rapidly becoming my all-time favorite, from Killtown:


Since I'm no stranger to controversy, I'm going to say that this Sandia F4 Rocket-sled Test is psyops meant to help explain why the four planes on 9/11 vanished to the sheep out there. I doubt this test was made in 1988. Did anybody see this test before 9/11? I sure didn't.


It's in the "other conspiracy" section where Killtown is demanding to see evidence that the Sandia test is real.

[Redtail]

Rapidly becoming my all-time favorite, from Killtown:



It's in the "other conspiracy" section where Killtown is demanding to see evidence that the Sandia test is real.

LOL! I rember seeing tests like that when I was in undergrad, a year or two before 9/11.

[Redtail]

As a professor that youth for 9/11 truth is disturbing.:(

[Class]

Also, remember about a week or two after 9/11, a plane actually crashed into a close neighborhood near the WTC. That might have been a warning shot to those within eyesight of the WTC to keep their mouth shut about what they saw.
:jaw-dropp

He's talking about the crash of American Airlines Flight 587, which crashed shortly after take off on November 12, 2001, eight weeks after 9/11. I have no idea how it could be a warning shot to those within eyesight of the WTC. Were they planning on crashing a passenger airliner into every neighborhood within a close proximity to the WTC?

[Horatius]

LOL! I rember seeing tests like that when I was in undergrad, a year or two before 9/11.

Yeah, it used to show up in debates over the safety of nuclear power. I was pro-nuclear, in case you were wondering :)

[Crazy Chainsaw]

From a thread at LC talking about the no-planes theory:



http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1128&view=findpost&p=9531482

I think I've found something for my signature.

Please do not use truther and Science in the same sentence, it makes my stomach upset and confuses me, how you can combine the two.

[T.A.M.]

Does anyone remember the RPG Top Secret. It came in a box set. I am convinced these people think the world is like one big game of "Top Secret". Reading that Killtown post has me convinced that he is still a child playing this game.

Incredible

TAM

[defaultdotxbe]

Some people have cameras that are very fast and can take numerous photos in nanoseconds.

in case anyone in wondering the worlds fastest high speed camera records 200,000,000 frames per second, which is 1 picture every 5 nanoseconds

it costs $450,000

[W6102LA]

in case anyone in wondering the worlds fastest high speed camera records 200,000,000 frames per second, which is 1 picture every 5 nanoseconds

it costs $450,000

Yeah, i like 'em, i have about four of them.....i think....hmm...better check

:p

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Rapidly becoming my all-time favorite, from Killtown:

Since I'm no stranger to controversy, I'm going to say that this Sandia F4 Rocket-sled Test is psyops meant to help explain why the four planes on 9/11 vanished to the sheep out there. I doubt this test was made in 1988. Did anybody see this test before 9/11? I sure didn't.

I did.

I've long been a military aviation enthusiast since I was a child (what young boy doesn't love fighter planes?) I specifically remember seeing the sandia test on some book I once owned or a TV documentary (or a PBS WTC doc from 1990 :p).

However, I've already cemented my reputation in Killtowns mind as a "kike lover" or even "race traitor". I'm also 1/32nd or 1/64th blackfoot or cree indian, so I'm probably also a mongrel. Killtown won't take my word regardless.

[Blackadder_no]

I did.

I've long been a military aviation enthusiast since I was a child (what young boy doesn't love fighter planes?) I specifically remember seeing the sandia test on some book I once owned or a TV documentary (or a PBS WTC doc from 1990 :p).

That makes two of us. And I too remember seeing the pictures of the Sandia test in a popular science magazine around 1989-1990.

[gumboot]

Un [rule8]-ing believable.

Those comments are absolute gold. Iron at the WTC. Hah hah.

-Gumboot

[Sword_Of_Truth]

:cool: That makes two of us. And I too remember seeing the pictures of the Sandia test in a popular science magazine around 1989-1990.

OMG! U sed "popular science"! I'm telling alex jones on U! U @#$%ing shill!

;) :D

/seriousmode

Even if you don't have an interest or a professional certification in one of the fields applicable to the Sandia Test, there are still tons of people who will remember it. Cuase smashing a retired aircraft into a concrete block at 500 miles per hour just to see what will happen is just damn cool.:cool:

[Oliver]

Did you in here read the no-planes debunkings? Guys like
PDoherty sound like the people in here while they try to
debunk them. :D

Now they know how we feel about them since they have
the same problem with the no-planers like we have with
their ignorance to logic...

I wish we would have a quote-mine, too... :">

[Bell]

This quote of the same guy is even better:
I've investigated the no planes theory a little bit. My opinion is that it's a hoax. I can't remember exactly why...

Comedy gold!

:dl:

[Oliver]

Comedy gold!

:dl:

:D

Did you read PDoherty´s quotes?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64397&page=3

Or Pdoherty´s debunking of Killtown? :D delicious...

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showforum=17

[Mashuna]

Does anyone remember the RPG Top Secret. It came in a box set. I am convinced these people think the world is like one big game of "Top Secret". Reading that Killtown post has me convinced that he is still a child playing this game.

Incredible

TAM

I think they're all playing the RPG Paranoia (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/series.php?qsSeries=19)

[chracatoa]

in case anyone in wondering the worlds fastest high speed camera records 200,000,000 frames per second, which is 1 picture every 5 nanoseconds

it costs $450,000

They need a LOT of light as you can imagine. Wikipedia says something about cameras with "temporal resolution" of 50,000,000,000 frames per second (link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_speed_camera)).

[jhunter1163]

I remember a Discovery Channel documentary that had both the Sandia test and the fly-by-wire 737 crash in it. I believe it was made in 1999 or 2000. I'll look at discovery.com and see if I can find it.

[PerryLogan]

Yall are definitely on to something with quotes. CTs say crazy things all the time. If you want to deconstruct a conspiracist, just gather together some of the things he's said over a period of time, as I did with Alex Jones. Just collect a bunch of quotes and list them. It has a truly mindblowing effect.

[njslim]

Whats the matter with you guys? Didn't you see the tracks of the rocket
sleds used to propell the planes into the WTC? It looked just like the
Sandia tests - I mean those planes flew right into the building. Something
no trained airline pilot would do .......

[Oliver]

Whats the matter with you guys? Didn't you see the tracks of the rocket
sleds used to propell the planes into the WTC? It looked just like the
Sandia tests - I mean those planes flew right into the building. Something
no trained airline pilot would do .......

*LOL* Bolding mine... :D

[beachnut]

From a thread at LC talking about the no-planes theory:



http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1128&view=findpost&p=9531482

I think I've found something for my signature.

I have a camera, I wish it would take a pictures before I knew I wanted to take the picture. And if it would just take a few pictures a second I would love it!

This is great, post of total idiots. If they knew I was antipodean would they ban me for being incredibly stupid?

Good stuff. Funny stuff, great post

[Anti-sophist]

The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Kinetic energy doesn't go away. Something happens to it. It doesn't just get "absorbed", and the story is over.



Thermo referes to heat, not kinetic energy!

Kinetic energy is the energy of motion. An object which has motion - whether it be vertical or horizontal motion - has kinetic energy.



Good old Chris explaining to me why the first law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to kinetic energy.

[Retrograde]

Those comments are absolute gold. Iron at the WTC. Hah hah.

Did the steelworkers who built them know? Or were they in on the conspiracy too?

[Larry Lovage]

Yall are definitely on to something with quotes. CTs say crazy things all the time. If you want to deconstruct a conspiracist, just gather together some of the things he's said over a period of time, as I did with Alex Jones. Just collect a bunch of quotes and list them. It has a truly mindblowing effect.
Ahh.... that's what Ed Murrow did to Joe McCarthy. A commentary-free programme consisting entirely of McCarthy quotes.

[uk_dave]

Did the steelworkers who built them know? Or were they in on the conspiracy too?

Some would argue that the buildings were constructed with reinforced concrete cores all the way up and demolition charges embedded within the concrete.

So, on that basis, the construction workers were definately in on it and someone should take a serious look at their daywork vouchers.

:D:D

[Spindrift]

Some people have cameras that are very fast and can take numerous photos in nanoseconds.

I have taken numerous photos in nanoseconds all the time and my camera isn't what I would call fast.

I think the best I have done is about 4 pictures in 5,000,000,000 nanoseconds. I'm sure if I had auto-advance I could do better.

[Oliver]

D@MN! Killtown just revealed the truth about shanksville!

If the Shanksville dirt was hard

http://www.avoidr.com/nph-a.cgi/111110A/687474702s70686s746s73312r626p6s676765722r636s6q2s 626p6s676765722s373530382s313630352s3332302s706p61 6r652q63726173682r706r67


http://killtown.blogspot.com/

[Horatius]

This is more technology that science per se, but here's a good quote from their discussion of the moon landing (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4560):

That's what I thought. The moon is only 3 days away...it SHOULD be easy. It's certainly possible. But can you imagine the political fallout if the lander failed to lift off, and 3 guys got stuck on the moon and died?


I guess in all his "research" he never noticed that only two of the three actually went down to the surface.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This is more technology that science per se, but here's a good quote from their discussion of the moon landing (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4560):

That's what I thought. The moon is only 3 days away...it SHOULD be easy. It's certainly possible. But can you imagine the political fallout if the lander failed to lift off, and 3 guys got stuck on the moon and died?

I guess in all his "research" he never noticed that only two of the three actually went down to the surface.

Would that political fallout have been more or less than the fallout from three guys dying on the launchpad during a test run? Or from 7 people exploding at 100,000 feet? Or from another 7 burning up on re-entry?

Is there any field in wich these guys aren't utterly ignorant?

BTW, before anyone says it, yes I am aware of the conspiracy theory that Christa MacCauliffe was murdered to keep her from telling people you can see stars in space.

[The Almond]

Good old Chris explaining to me why the first law of thermodynamics doesn't apply to kinetic energy.

That post made me laugh so hard. I printed it out and I'm taking it to my coworkers tomorrow.

[Larry Lovage]

This is more technology that science per se, but here's a good quote from their discussion of the moon landing (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4560):


That's what I thought. The moon is only 3 days away...it SHOULD be easy. It's certainly possible. But can you imagine the political fallout if the lander failed to lift off, and 3 guys got stuck on the moon and died?
I guess in all his "research" he never noticed that only two of the three actually went down to the surface.I think you're quibbling, here. There were many circumstances under which all three men could have been stranded (in the early missions they spent considerably more time in space than on the Moon).

The point is that "can you imagine the political fallout?" Well, sure, but that's like claiming there is no war or American occupation in Iraq because "can you imagine the political fallout if it turned out to be a complete and utter shambles?"

The political fallout would have been quite substantial, and everybody was fully aware of the potential consequences of disaster. That's why Nixon had a speech prepared in the event of the men being unable to return. Mike Collins, the CMP on Apollo 11 has spoken or written about his full awareness of, if the LEM crashed, having to go back home alone.


Course, all that stuff was just made up as if they really went to the moon.....

[CptColumbo]

The political fallout would have been quite substantial, and everybody was fully aware of the potential consequences of disaster. That's why Nixon had a speech prepared in the event of the men being unable to return. Mike Collins, the CMP on Apollo 11 has spoken or written about his full awareness of, if the LEM crashed, having to go back home alone.


Course, all that stuff was just made up as if they really went to the moon.....

All the CMPs, during Apollo, trained for the possibility of returning to Earth without the other astronauts. Simulated re-entry without the other astronauts was one of the hardest parts of the job. Not just from the technical aspect, but also the psychological. However, it was something that had to be done.

Frank Borman's wife was so convinced that Apollo 8 would not return (due to the TEI burn not going well) that she prepared a press release, and told Chris Kraft that NASA would "ruin the moon for everyone."

[Horatius]

I think you're quibbling, here. There were many circumstances under which all three men could have been stranded (in the early missions they spent considerably more time in space than on the Moon).

Yeahbut....this thread is about their bad science, not their bad sociology. While there may have been error modes that would strand all three, the LEM failing to take off wouldn't be one of them. And there's certainly no way all three could be stranded "on" the moon. In orbit around it, yes, but not on it.

It's just another example of how they don't know even the most basic facts of what they are discussing.

[stateofgrace]

I cannot quote a top troother statement to sum up this movement because there are too many stupid statements to pick from, but I have found this.

http://www.freewebs.com/democraatus/ (http://www.freewebs.com/democraatus/)

This is pure gold and must rank as one of the most stupid and mad attempts to prove NIST wrong.

Enjoy and please try not to laugh too hard.This is what you call bad science.

(It involves building a paper Tower and dropping a bucket of water on it, need I say more!)

[ZouPrime]

I think they're all playing the RPG Paranoia (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/series.php?qsSeries=19)

Nah, I think they play illuminati.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_%28game%29

Great game btw.

[Horatius]

Insofar I was able to dig up information on falling speed through air, a cat falls with 100 km/u through air and a human being 200 km/u. So these towers collapsed through their intact structure beneath almost as fast as a cat or human being would fall through air?

Is he seriously trying to compare the top of the WTC to a cat?

I like cats and all, but that's just ridiculous.

[Anti-sophist]

Follow-up psuedoscience!


Thermo referes to heat, not kinetic energy!



As true as that may be, all energy is the same.



I disagree. Heat and kinetic energy are fundamentally different forms of energy.


Further educating me on the nuances of the first law of thermodynamics and it's inapplicability to kinetic energy.

I have to give him credit, most of the no-planers just "guess" and run as fast as possible from any mathematics or science. He is actually delusional enough to think he can investigoogle the fundamental laws of physics and proceed to explain them. That's serious ego, my friends.

[Beerina]

Would that political fallout have been more or less than the fallout from three guys dying on the launchpad during a test run? Or from 7 people exploding at 100,000 feet? Or from another 7 burning up on re-entry?

Why yes, yes it would have been much worse. The world would have sat and watched while two guys ran out of air after several more days, and suffocated or drank the Kool-aid.

Which they almost did with Apollo 13, except that they'd have gone flinging past the moon and died way out in space the same way.