Loose Change Forum Lists

[maccy]

There's some list-making going on at the loose change forums.

The first is a list of conspiracies. So far, they have:

JFK's Murder
Princess Diana's Death
9/11
2004 Madrid Bombings
7/7/05 London Bombings
RFK's murder and the theory of Sirhan Sirhan being a real life Manchurian candidate
JFK Jr.'s plane possibly being sabotaged
Police/CIA/FBI involvement in Martin Luther King Jr.'s murder
Oklahoma City bombing and FBI involvement
John Lennon Death
Moon landing 1969
Protocols of Zion
New World Order

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137

There's another list on how 9/11 has effected people's rights and freedoms:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=286

Weirdly enough, they don't seem to be able to come up with a nice simple list on this subject.

Inspired by this thread at LC, JAStewart started a similar discussion on this forum

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=69029

[Bell]

They forgot the holocaust and shapeshifting lizards :rolleyes:

[maccy]

They forgot the holocaust and shapeshifting lizards :rolleyes:

They're getting closer to shapshifting lizards:

lets see here...
Moon
JFK
MLK
9/11
Iraq war
New world order
UFO
Roswell
Aliens
Technology
Dude that shot JFK's 'killer'
Police
Air Force
Drugs
Antrax

:ph43r: and thats just a few <_<http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9557380

Abraham Lincoln and Ghandi have also been mentioned.

I'm still waiting for somebody to say "I don't believe these theories the only thing there is evidence for is a 9/11 inside job" - or even to argue that just one of the conspircay theories so far listed doesn't make sense.

To be fair though, there's been no dissent so far to JAStewart's assertion that Holocaust Denial is disgusting (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9545920); although Pdoherty seems to think that JREFers are morally equivalent to Holocaust deniers (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9546284) for being sceptical about the Franklin child abuse theory (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64252).

[defaultdotxbe]

technology? how is that a conspiracy?

[Lisa Simpson]

Because it's all backwards engineered from aliens.

[Bell]

Dude that shot JFK's 'killer'

That would be Jack Ruby. If a nutter is going to say JFk's killing is a conspiracy, it would suit him to know the basic facts...

[Lisa Simpson]

I have little desire to go read the thread, so can someone tell me why JFK Jr.'s plane would have been sabotaged?

[Bell]

I have little desire to go read the thread, so can someone tell me why JFK Jr.'s plane would have been sabotaged?

He had an appartement right across the street from Hook & Ladder 8 in Manhattan* He probably used that place to spy on the FDNY as he was trying to break open the 9/11 conspiracy. Or something...

ETA: * this is true, acording to a firefighter at the station. He told after JFK jr, Edward Burns moved there.

[NickUK]

He had an appartement right across the street from Hook & Ladder 8 in Manhattan. He probably used that place to spy on the FDNY as he was trying to break open the 9/11 conspiracy. Or something...

...and they did it 2 years BEFORE 9/11.

Damn these NWO fiends are CLEVER!

[maccy]

I have little desire to go read the thread, so can someone tell me why JFK Jr.'s plane would have been sabotaged?

They aren't coming up with reasons, they're just making lists.

I think, perhaps, you have to work back from Killtowns apparent theory that all plane crashes result from conspiracies and then guess at a reason...

My guess is that it's probably something along the lines of the NWO hating all Kennedys but only having to warn off Teddy.

This is what google led me to:

Why would anyone want to kill John Kennedy Jr.? There are many reasons. He was planning to run for national office according to Newsweek and People. In fact, he had already told Al Gore he would run for President in 2000 or 2004. He told friends he would have run for Senate in New York, but let Hillary run instead. And he could have won. He was the most popular man in the US. He was also the only Kennedy to ever acknowledge a conspiracy in his father's death. As the owner of an influential magazine, GEORGE, he had just launched an investigation into the death of his father. Described as the "sexiest man in the world" by PEOPLE Magazine, Kennedy was just too attractive an opponent for our internal enemies to let live and have to eventually face in a Presidential election. He might easily be President right now if he had not been killed. With JFK Jr. alive in 2004, Kerry would never have been nominated over 'John-John'.

If elected, JFK Jr. would soon discover who was behind the murders of his father and his Uncle Bobby. There is voluminous evidence that the Kennedy assassinations were covered up. Many of the same folks who killed the first two Kennedys are still in power. There's no reason to believe that Jack Jr. would not be considered an expendable target if they considered him a political threat - and they did.http://gatorpress.com/badsam/page20.html

Edited to add:

There's a description of some more theoris here: http://www.konformist.com/1999/john-john/kthomas.htm

This is my favourite bit from the article:

One noted researcher, Robert Sterling (robalini@aol.com) of the Konformist (http://www.konformist.com/index.html)web site, felt that the death involved no conspiracy "compelled by one simple fact that just can't be ignored: John F. Kennedy, Jr. was a pea-brained moron." Sterling (robalini@aol.com) called the late Kennedy a "dim-witted pretty boy" whose "career in politics may have been already out of the question" because he "had already risen to his level of certifiable incompetence by being the Editor-in-Chief of the atrocious George Magazine."

2nd Edit to add:

And here's a Guardian report from 1999: http://www.guardian.co.uk/kennedy/story/0,2763,206565,00.html

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I will stop quoting from the list thread at some point, but I can't resist when stuff like this is posted:

the moon landing was NOT faked. However, some of the videos were brushed to take away proof of alien bases on the dark side of the moon. There are multiple images of towers that were smudged out. See www.disclosureproject.com (http://www.disclosureproject.com) for more info about this...http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9561033

[Bell]

Oh my god... Oh my god...

[Oliver]

Do these guys realize that their "Let´s hate the USG"-truthmovement
is the most realistic conspiracy i´ve seen so far? I should start a thread
to show that they are the biggest disinfo conspirators. :rolleyes:

[Lisa Simpson]

Thanks. Very enlightening.

One noted researcher, Robert Sterling of the Konformistweb site, felt that the death involved no conspiracy "compelled by one simple fact that just can't be ignored: John F. Kennedy, Jr. was a pea-brained moron." Sterling called the late Kennedy a "dim-witted pretty boy" whose "career in politics may have been already out of the question" because he "had already risen to his level of certifiable incompetence by being the Editor-in-Chief of the atrocious George Magazine."


As I recall, it did take several tries before John John managed to pass the bar examination.

[defaultdotxbe]

Described as the "sexiest man in the world" by PEOPLE Magazine, Kennedy was just too attractive an opponent for our internal enemies to let live
probably the only person the NWO killed for being too hot

kinda gives the "im too sexy fro my shirt" song a new twist

[Lisa Simpson]

George Clooney better cover his @ss, as he's been named Sexiest Man Alive twice and he's spoken in front of the U.N.

[maccy]

probably the only person the NWO killed for being too hot

kinda gives the "im too sexy fro my shirt" song a new twist

It's NWO mind-control:

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Did you miss the memo on this one Agent Defaultdotxbe?

[Gravy]

Thanks. Very enlightening.
As I recall, it did take several tries before John John managed to pass the bar examination.That's not unusual. He wasn't a genius but he wasn't dumb. I ask myself, "Self, if you were in his shoes, would you spend your time studying legal precedents or spend your time having any woman you wanted?"

[maccy]

I know I'm effectively quoting the whole of that thread in this one, but here's another:

I can't believe no one mentioned WTC93 and how Ahmed Salem was an "informant" the entire time he was in the "Al Qaeda" cell. In fact it was Salem who supplied the materials to "Al Qaeda". Wonder where he got them at? Oh yeah, the FBI. Guess the FBI bombed the WTC the 1st time. You can be sure Clinton and his criminal scum administration were well aware of the thing. And if the "Al Qaeda" guys weren't incompetent and parked the van where they were suppose to the tower would have immediately toppled over into the other tower.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9555970

Still no sign of dissent from Truthers that don't believe all this crazy stuff.

[Horatius]

And if the "Al Qaeda" guys weren't incompetent and parked the van where they were suppose to the tower would have immediately toppled over into the other tower.

Exactly how big a bang would it take to "topple" one of the towers? I think the only people stupider than those who think this would have happened are the AQ types who hoped it would happen.

[PerryLogan]

Wouldn't it be easier for them to list what's NOT a conspiracy?

[maccy]

To be fair though, there's been no dissent so far to JAStewart's assertion that Holocaust Denial is disgusting (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9545920); although Pdoherty seems to think that JREFers are morally equivalent to Holocaust deniers (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9546284) for being sceptical about the Franklin child abuse theory (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64252).

I spoke too soon:

Is it ok to deny the numbers or statistics?

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9586527

I believe the Holocaust happened. I find that's something no one can deny. There's too much evidence.

But I disagree that 6 million Jews were murdered by the Germans. I'd put it closer to 1 million.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9587277

I'd say it's very okay, because certain people have over-inflated, and fabricated quite a few details - and they continue to dredge it up to legitimise everything they do. Then any-one who questions it, gets called a 'nazi' - but the irony is, that most of the people who throw that word around as an insult, are covering for their own mass-murdering sprees.

Anyone still remember that 'jewish soap' nonsense? They claimed that Germans made soap out of their fat (what fat? They were starved!) and bathed with it (right... because SS Officers want to bathe in... their enemies?)

It was proven that the story was totally fabricated nonsense, yet still people try to propogate 'jewish soap' as a true story even up to this year. While Israel was busy bombing Lebanon.

And then we have China, who complain about the Japanese massacring them in WWII, but yet they have mobile execution vans driving around in their country, paid for by their government. Hypocrisy much?

The United States, maintaining that they were somehow a moral superiority, while in 1946 managing to rape more women than the whole of Axis did in 4yrs of war.

Russia, who stooped as low as to rape girls as young as 9yrs old, frequently, in Churches, giving them STDs deliberately.

England, who exploited the loyalty of India to stave off Axis elements within that country, yet after the war gave them absolutely no recognition for their sacrifices.

Israelis daring to complain that England was disallowing them entry into England, when in fact upon checking, it was actually Zionists trying bar them from emmigrating to countries other than Palestine.

So in light of all the overt lying on the part of the so-called 'Allies', I would definitely question some things, the stats of the holocaust being just one of them. History likes to try to paint the Allies as perfect and good, but neither side was much better than the other.

"... under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local inhabitants in order to deliver them to the prisoners of war. Those who violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being shot...." - Dwight Eisenhower

Anyone want to tally up how many died as a result of that?

And let's not even get into the actions of the 'noble soviets', because their actions are anything but noble.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9588821

Truthers hate it when you point out the anti-semitists in the movement - but I'm wondering what response these remarks will get from the supposedly reasonable truthers.

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Lastly, here's a few more for the list:

Truth about AIDS
Waco, Texas
Mambai train bombings (7/11/06)
The Gaza Tunnel attack (the soldier that was supposedly kidnapped, completely fabricated)
Liddle Plane Crash

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1137&view=findpost&p=9597312

So far the only argument about the conspiracies listed is about whether we faked the moon landings or whether we really went to the moon but faked the pictures to hide the evidence of the aliens living on the dark side of the moon.

I'm continuining to document this thread here because I have a feeling that Dylan or Russell may delete it out of sheer embarrassment.

[bonavada]

surprised none of the CT'ers mention FDR, churchill and pearl harbour.
i grew up with a version of this, my mother was a great advocate of it. her version was that churchill knew of the imminent attack by the nasty nippon fleet (through radio intercepts or something) but he, rubbing his hands with glee, failed to warn FDR.

BV

[uk_dave]

surprised none of the CT'ers mention FDR, churchill and pearl harbour.
i grew up with a version of this, my mother was a great advocate of it. her version was that churchill knew of the imminent attack by the nasty nippon fleet (through radio intercepts or something) but he, rubbing his hands with glee, failed to warn FDR.

BV

And then kept his fingers crossed that hitler would declare war on the US rather than have them go off and fight the japanese on their own in the Pacific and leave europe to it's own war.

[eeyore1954]

What about Elvis? Has he been mentioned.
Roswell? flight 800?

[eeyore1954]

Thanks. Very enlightening.




As I recall, it did take several tries before John John managed to pass the bar examination.


But since he did finally pass I think that indicates his brain was somewhat larger than a pea but probably smaller than a rutabaga.

[gumboot]

lets see here...
Technology
Police
Air Force
Drugs
Antrax



Okay, the others make sense. These above I'm having trouble with. I am sure specific aspects of the above can some how be integrated into conspiracies, but how do any of these things, as an entity in themselves, constitute a conspiracy?

I mean, isn't a conspiracy a group of people secretly planning together to commit a crime?

So how does that work with the above subjects?

:confused:

-Gumboot

[jujigatami]

Okay, the others make sense. These above I'm having trouble with. I am sure specific aspects of the above can some how be integrated into conspiracies, but how do any of these things, as an entity in themselves, constitute a conspiracy?

I mean, isn't a conspiracy a group of people secretly planning together to commit a crime?

So how does that work with the above subjects?

:confused:

-Gumboot

Thats what happens when teenagers post while high.

[gumboot]

I think onions are definately a conspiracy.

With all those layers... what are they trying to hide, huh?

-Gumboot

[maccy]

Okay, the others make sense. These above I'm having trouble with. I am sure specific aspects of the above can some how be integrated into conspiracies, but how do any of these things, as an entity in themselves, constitute a conspiracy?

I mean, isn't a conspiracy a group of people secretly planning together to commit a crime?

So how does that work with the above subjects?

:confused:

-Gumboot

I'm guessing here because I really don't want to google for a load more crazy theories, but:

Technology - all technology is controlled by the illuminati, they keep back the really advanced stuff for mind control etc. as well as the stuff they've reverse-engineered from UFOs
Police - controlled by the Illumnati, don't enforce proper justice (like going after satanist paedophiles in government) but instead repress the general population
Air Force - similar to the police, also busy testing chemtrail stuff
Drugs - illegal drugs are all traded by the CIA, the illuminati are trying to kill you with vaccines, big pharma is a conspiracy to keep you ill so they can sell you more drugs
Anthrax - the anthrax sent in the post after 9/11 was an inside to job to keep people scared

[gumboot]

Anthrax - the anthrax sent in the post after 9/11 was an inside to job to keep people scared


Oh right. Anthrax. They said "Antrax" so I figured it was something to do with trains.

-Gumboot

[Bell]

Oh right. Anthrax. They said "Antrax" so I figured it was something to do with trains.

-Gumboot

Trains are a conpiracy too (http://loosetrains911.blogspot.com/).

[rjh01]

Trains are a Conspiracy too (http://loosetrains911.blogspot.com/).

That is a send-up of the truth movement? I hope no-one is so stupid as to actually take it seriously.

The link mentions the 'smokestack of train.' That can only mean a steam train. You Americans must live in the third world if you still use steam trains as the main form of train travel.

[Ducky]

That is a send-up of the truth movement? I hope no-one is so stupid as to actually take it seriously.

The link mentions the 'smokestack of train.' That can only mean a steam train. You Americans must live in the third world if you still use steam trains as the main form of train travel.

Unless there is a steam train preserved for a historical park or something, no we don't. They're diesel/electric hybrids, and don't have any smokestacks.

[rjh01]

Unless there is a steam train preserved for a historical park or something, no we don't. They're diesel/electric hybrids, and don't have any smokestacks.

But the one that ran into the world train centre about half way up did have a smokestack. :D Your trains must really fly.

[Ducky]

But the one that ran into the world train centre about half way up did have a smokestack. :D Your trains must really fly.

Those must be the sooper-sekrit CIA trains that run on every guage train track, and when they need to jump to other train tracks they actually hover like the train at the end of "Back To The Future 3."

Oh **** I have said too much.

* Ducky disappears in a poof of smoke, laughing meniacally.

[Regnad Kcin]

The Producers won more Tonys than any other Broadway show in history. If that isn't a conspiracy (and Mel Brooks is Jewish!) than I don't know what is.

[Mashuna]

The Producers won more Tonys than any other Broadway show in history. If that isn't a conspiracy (and Mel Brooks is Jewish!) than I don't know what is.

Hey! It's the only musical I've ever enjoyed.

That Tony fellow must just have good taste :p

[maccy]

I'm starting to think that all that's left at Loose Change is anti-semites and people too stupid to argue with them:

Their take on this is to completely use everyone else to get what they want. The jewish people by-and-large don't believe that Jesus was anything - and as such, they aren't looking for a 'Second Coming' at all.

However, it's convenient for them that Evangelical Christians seem to think that they actually owe the Jewish people something (there are plenty of reasons NOT to owe them anything, but that's offtopic for this thread), and because of this, governments in the West who are interested in pursuing joint agendas with Israel, will invoke this to get the Christians to support them. Likewise, Israel continues to emphasise it, despite not even believing it, probably because they know the whole thing would grind to a halt in 5 seconds, if the religious 'majority' took issue with them and went into protest.

It baffles me how insane the so-called 'fundamental' Christians are, in thinking that they need to support leaders who are clearly following their own global agenda while pandering to them and letting them see what they want to see. The media helps to maintain these deceptions, by portraying Israel as a small group of divine people surrounded by their enemies, who oh-so-barely survived the holocaust.

So when people like me step up and say that it's all a sham, no-one owes Israel anything, and that destroying civilisation and helping to usher in the 'Anti-Christ' is a patently stupid idea anyway - I simply get called a fascist, nazi, anti-semitic, threat to world security, whose daring to oppose the prophecies.


They're so retarded, that they can't understand these simple points:

1. Helping to usher in the One World Government deliberately, just to get Jesus to come back, is definitely selfish, stupid, and evil on a grand scale. Weren't you supposed to be FIGHTING the Luciferians? What, fighting the enemy instead of helping them? Novel idea that! :rolleyes:

2. Amazing how Jews can practice spitting in front of the cross, before AND after World War II, but no one can mention the numerous offenses and the utter disdain that Orthodox Jews really have for Christianity without being labelled as 'anti-semitic' for daring to tell the truth.

Here's some 'adorable' quotes for fundamentalist morons who only know how to snivel about the holocaust:


"I had no contacts with Christianity at all. On the way to school we passed a Roman Catholic church and a Russian Orthodox church, and we spat, pronouncing the words found in Deuteronomy 7:26, ' ... though shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.' Why should we say such horrible words? The [Christian] people looked so pious. They came from surrounding villages to worship, and they never bothered us." - Rachmiel Frydland. [Frydland, 55]



"Our rabbi insisted that we Jewish children spit on the ground and utter curses while passing near a cross, or whenever we encountered a Christian priest or religious procession. Our shopkeepers used to say that 'it was a Mitzveh (blessed deed) to cheat a Goy (gentile).'" - Abraham Sterzer. [Piotrowski, 39]



"The [Jewish] consensus which emerged (in the early periods of Nazi occupation) was the unanimous belief that only total submission to all the Nazi orders and industrious work for the Germans might offer chances of survival until the end of the war. The [Jewish] watchword was: "This is not our war; it's the war of the Poles against the Germans." All the Jewish problems were to be dealt with by the Jewish Council (Judenrat), headed by former Polish senator Adam Czerniakow and formed by Germany themselves. That doctrine of submissiveness remained in force for two years, during which the Jews in the ghetto did not ask the Poles for any help or weapons." [Korbanski, 44]


But of course, I'm an anti-semite for daring refer to history that actually happened. Let's not even get into their later engaging in Soviet atrocities, or smashing Christian churches, because that's beyond the scope of this thread.

3. There is absolutely no command anywhere in the Bible that says we're obligated to aid the nation of Israel, AT ALL.

4. The Talmud repeatedly references 'gentiles' as being degenerate, and not in possession of a higher soul (wtf), as well as advocating 'the use of subterfuges', to cheat, manipulate, and use us. (Yes, I have read it.)

5. The Jewish people never believed in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and they never will. See point #4, and the political make-up of the world, for an explanation of why they continue to humour the fundamentalists.

So that should basically sum it up. I don't even know where I can find the non-bootlicking Christians anymore, because all I ever hear is mindless support for Israel out of them - it's betrayal, on so many levels, betrayal of religion, nation, and even race. It's sickeningly apalling to see.

For the Jews involved in this, it's really all about securing the 'Promised Land', by any means necessary. That's really all there is to it, there is no common belief between the two religions where Jesus is concerned.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1191&view=findpost&p=9672338

[Muckar-duva]

They clearly missed the Estonia accident, and the Olof Palme assassination. Bunch of hacks! :D