Just heard on Fox News: Babs and James Streisand skeptical of 9/11

[rikzilla]

It was just on...a quick teaser only so I don't know the gist. Anyone hear about this yet?

I know James Brolin and Barbra Streisand are pretty far left...but I did at least think they were sane!

-z

[JAStewart]

hmm, googling now...

"Bush has created chaos in Iraq and in our own country. The same person who called Kerry a flip-flopper committed the biggest flip-flop when he said he didn’t believe in nation building and then went on to invade Iraq. Where are the conservative principles he pledged to uphold. Bush is not a conservative. He’s just inept. He’s lost control of the federal budget through his wild deficit spending, allowed Iran and North Korea to expand their nuclear technology, placed inexperienced cronies in top federal positions and failed to secure our ports and nuclear power plants 5 years after 9/11"

Is from a november blog of hers...

[Overman]

Be Do DOOP DOOP DOOP...

Another one bites the dust!

[rikzilla]

hmm, googling now...

"Bush has created chaos in Iraq and in our own country. The same person who called Kerry a flip-flopper committed the biggest flip-flop when he said he didn’t believe in nation building and then went on to invade Iraq. Where are the conservative principles he pledged to uphold. Bush is not a conservative. He’s just inept. He’s lost control of the federal budget through his wild deficit spending, allowed Iran and North Korea to expand their nuclear technology, placed inexperienced cronies in top federal positions and failed to secure our ports and nuclear power plants 5 years after 9/11"

Is from a november blog of hers...

Well they've finally put it on. James Brolin was quoted in public promoting this website:

911weknow.com (http://www.911weknow.com/)

As you say there's nothing in her blog about it...but Fox just aired a short vid showing Brolin in some red carpet type setting. Seems during an interview he promoted the website.

Wow! It's another great day for the trooth!

-z

[60hzxtl]

James Brolin, a well known expert on. . . . ?


Reading lines someone else has written for him.

[greyleonard]

I first heard the claim on this compilation of phone recordings (http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/dec_07_2006.mp3) posted at DU (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x127495) made by a wayward loony in Canada trying to get officials to take him seriously. (4 mb)

edit: ah, I see the JREF thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=70134) about it now.

[uk_dave]

To paraphrase homer simpson.....

"Celebrities. Is there anything they don't know?"

[pvt1863]

It really makes perfect sense. Movies and television are realms of artificial drama in which the laws of science and the rules of social interaction are often suspended in the name of entertainment.

Therefore, actors/directors/writers/producers and the "truth" movement are a perfect match.

[rikzilla]

I first heard the claim on this compilation of phone recordings (http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/dec_07_2006.mp3) posted at DU (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x127495) made by a wayward loony in Canada trying to get officials to take him seriously. (4 mb)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Thanks for posting that. It was the most entertaining thing I've ever heard!!!

:big:

-z

[greyleonard]

It really makes perfect sense. Movies and television are realms of artificial drama in which the laws of science and the rules of social interaction are often suspended in the name of entertainment.

Therefore, actors/directors/writers/producers and the "truth" movement are a perfect match.

I'm not sure about that. I think it has more to do with the issue of celebrity endorsements and how lightly they can be taken i.e. not investigated. Celebrity isn't limited to people in the business of artificial drama. Do you have reason to believe that pro athlete endorsements, for example, are more trustworthy than those made by people in the creative entertainment industry?

[PerryLogan]

Excuse me--I see nothing in the Streisand quote that shows her to be a Truther. Unless criticizing the Worst President Ever™ makes her a Truther.

[greyleonard]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Thanks for posting that. It was the most entertaining thing I've ever heard!!!

-z

Yer welcome. The guy reminds me of a caller "Pete" to the Goyette radio show (http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/A003I060823-am-c3.MP3) when David Coburn from Popular Mechanics was on. Partial transcript:

caller Pete: What about the 7 hijackers, 7 to 9 hijackers that were reported in the British press, who came forward and said "we're alive". What are we doing on the FBI's list of so called hijackers, we're alive and well. How do you explain that one?

Davin Coburn: Actually, my explanation for that is that've read that one BBC report that claims that-

Pete(interrupting): There was more than one BBC report-

Davin Coburn: But actually, it's not. That's the one thing that we've found, and that was absolutely one of those things that we looked into, I promise you. I mean that would be

Pete(interrupting): Are you saying that's false?

Davin Coburn: I am saying that is false.

Pete: Ok, how did you verify that?

Davin Coburn: Have you seen any other reports beyond-

Pete(interrupting): Let me ask you my question again, how did you verify it's false?

Davin Coburn: Because-

Pete(interrupting): Just because you don't to want to believe it's true-

Goyette(interrupting): Stop, stop, stop, stop, Ok Pete, you asked him a question, now let's find out what his answer is. Real simple question. How did you verify that the story, the British story, was false?

Davin Coburn: The remains of the hijackers who have been widely understood to have been on those planes have been-

Pete(interrupting): What remains?

Davin Coburn: There was DNA evidence collected all over the place-

Pete(interrupting): The building was incinerated, the concrete turned into powder, there were molten pools of steel in the bottom of the building that were still...hot... weeks after, and they were able to do autopsies on bodies? Are you crazy? Are you insane?

Davin Coburn: Have you seen photos of these hijackers that you're talking about-

Pete(interrupting): Where are the autopsy reports you're referring to, on the hijackers. Where are those reports? I haven't heard anything about autopsy reports.

Davin Coburn: Particularly, out of the Pentagon actually there-

Goyette(interrupting): Well I wanna know, even if we presume that you're correct that they recovered the DNA of the 19 hijackers from the rubble, where did they get their original DNA against with to match it.

Davin Coburn: My point-

Goyette(interrupting): No, don't go to your point, go to my point. Where'd they get the original DNA of a bunch of middle-eastern, uh, Islamic madmen. Where'd they get the DNA, had they submitted the DNA before they uh, I mean where the hell'd they get it? You're not even talking sensibly with me.

Davin Coburn: Off the top of my head I don't know the answer to that but I'll look-

Goyette(interrupting): Of course you don't.

Davin Coburn: I'll get back to you with it.

Goyette: Is that a promise?

Davin Coburn: I will do my best.

Goyette: People all across the state of Arizona now, are hearing Davin Coburn say on the show that he's gonna find out how they got that DNA checked against those Islamic terrorists who had shaved their bodies naked....


--Shortly, Goiter asks Coburn the same DNA question again.

DU thread (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=110531)
* I just listened again - not the same guy.

[pvt1863]

I'm not sure about that. I think it has more to do with the issue of celebrity endorsements and how lightly they can be taken i.e. not investigated. Celebrity isn't limited to people in the business of artificial drama. Do you have reason to believe that pro athlete endorsements, for example, are more trustworthy than those made by people in the creative entertainment industry?

I personally don't trust endorsements from anyone, and I'm not sure how I implied that I did. Why should I care about what any celebrity thinks?

I was merely pointing out in a half-joking way that the job of someone like Sheen, Lynch, or Brolin qualifies them to be on the side of the "truth" more than it qualifies them to be on the side of the real truth.

[Brainster]

Excuse me--I see nothing in the Streisand quote that shows her to be a Truther. Unless criticizing the Worst President Ever™ makes her a Truther.

Brolin made the comment on The View (not sure what he was promoting). I have not heard anything about La Streisand believing this nonsense, but I'd be pretty surprised if she isn't on board with her husband.

[greyleonard]

I personally don't trust endorsements from anyone, and I'm not sure how I implied that I did.

You didn't. Is that statement your way of admitting that being in the business of artificial drama may not be the locus of why all paid celebrity endorsements should be looked at with equally extra skepticism?

[pvt1863]

You didn't. Is that statement your way of admitting that being in the business of artificial drama may not be the locus of why all paid celebrity endorsements should be looked at with equally extra skepticism?

You are taking this way too seriously. I was merely making a joke comparing the content of TV shows/movies to conspiracty theories. I can see now that this attempt at humor failed.

If you want a serious discussion about why celebrity endorsements are untrustworthy, then fine. I don't trust celebrity endorsements because they are usually paid for and they, with rare exception, come from someone who is unqualified to give an expert opinion on the subject at hand. The only endorsements I care about are those from people who are experts in the field that concerns the subject and which are not paid for.

I'll refrain from making jokes from now on.

[ConspiRaider]

It really makes perfect sense. Movies and television are realms of artificial drama in which the laws of science and the rules of social interaction are often suspended in the name of entertainment.

Therefore, actors/directors/writers/producers and the "truth" movement are a perfect match.
I dunno.

I'm small potatoes in that area, but am an actor (SAG) and writer (still independent. Read: starving).

I definitely have the ability to make up all kinds of stuff for the purposes of entertainment. But: I also know fantasy from reality. I've found most people in the "industry" are very similar.

Actually, actors and friends know more than anyone else just how phony films and TV are. Comes from doing 20 takes of the same scene - because the fake smoke didn't quite hang in the air long enough.

[maccy]

On the subject of celebrities, one of my favourite comedians is Chris Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Morris_%28satirist%29), whose show Brass Eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_Eye) featured celebrities giving endorsements to made up campaigns and having absolutely no idea what they were saying was utterly ridiculous.

Inside the spoiler tags are the clips of this that I managed to find on YouTube. Spoiler tagged so that I don't take up loads of space with youtube videos.

First up an advert for the "science" edition, warning of the dangers of heavy electricity (0:32)

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Next, another short clip about the "good science" of the light saving brick (0:47)

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A longer clip about a fictional drug called "cake" (7:16) CONTAINS SWEARING

WwylBRucU7w

The 2nd Part of the infamous Brass Eye Paedophile Special (8:53) SOME PEOPLE MAY FIND THIS OFFENSIVE AND IT PROBABLY ISN'T WORK SAFE

UcnQDYnGtS8

And, lastly, the section about Chris Morris from the programme "Top Ten TV Rebels" (6:41)

SLbSZatEoYE

[brodski]

On the subject of celebrities, one of my favourite comedians is Chris Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Morris_%28satirist%29), whose show Brass Eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_Eye) featured celebrities giving endorsements to made up campaigns and having absolutely no idea what they were saying was utterly ridiculous.

Inside the spoiler tags are the clips of this that I managed to find on YouTube. Spoiler tagged so that I don't take up loads of space with youtube videos.

First up an advert for the "science" edition, warning of the dangers of heavy electricity (0:32)

c0N_CHOZKZM




Next, another short clip about the "good science" of the light saving brick (0:47)

g3emEJsW_iU

A longer clip about a fictional drug called "cake" (7:16) CONTAINS SWEARING

WwylBRucU7w

The 2nd Part of the infamous Brass Eye Paedophile Special (8:53) SOME PEOPLE MAY FIND THIS OFFENSIVE AND IT PROBABLY ISN'T WORK SAFE

UcnQDYnGtS8

And, lastly, the section about Chris Morris from the programme "Top Ten TV Rebels" (6:41)

SLbSZatEoYE

There's no real evidence for this, but it is a scientific FACT. ;)

[Triterope]

I have not heard anything about La Streisand believing this nonsense, but I'd be pretty surprised if she isn't on board with her husband.

I'm not so sure. Streisand is of Jewish descent, and we all know the 9/11 conspiracy crowd is only a short walk from the holocaust denial/worldwide Zionist conspiracy crowd. In fact, Brolin's 911weknow site links to American Free Press.

I've got a feeling Brolin chose to indulge himself in a little public Bush-bashing without fully investigating just who and what he was jumping into bed with.

I also think Babs is smart and PR-savvy enough to realize that siding with the 9-11 conspiracy crowd would not be good for her public image.

[greyleonard]

...
I'll refrain from making jokes from now on.

Sorry, I'll refrain from being serious. ;)
What did the fat lady say to the skinny man?

[Dave1001]

It was just on...a quick teaser only so I don't know the gist. Anyone hear about this yet?

I know James Brolin and Barbra Streisand are pretty far left...but I did at least think they were sane!

-z

I'm sure I'm not the only liberal who thought "Shut Up And Sing" was a great book title.:p

[gumboot]

I definitely have the ability to make up all kinds of stuff for the purposes of entertainment. But: I also know fantasy from reality. I've found most people in the "industry" are very similar.


In my experience there's a lot of woo in the film industry. And a big mistrust of government (I blame all those political thriller/sci fi/action films).

-Gumboot

[Deathshead]

Excuse me--I see nothing in the Streisand quote that shows her to be a Truther. Unless criticizing the Worst President Ever™ makes her a Truther.

How can anyone say 'worst president ever' and not have Jimmy Carter's name lead the list? Anyone with a modicum of research abilities could figure this one out.
News flash: Brolin is a truther.

[CFLarsen]

It really makes perfect sense. Movies and television are realms of artificial drama in which the laws of science and the rules of social interaction are often suspended in the name of entertainment.

Therefore, actors/directors/writers/producers and the "truth" movement are a perfect match.

Oh, yes.

Heck, you even elected an actor who had a hard time separating movies from reality President of the United States...

[Brainster]

In my experience there's a lot of woo in the film industry. And a big mistrust of government (I blame all those political thriller/sci fi/action films).

-Gumboot

Blame O'Henry. There always has to be a surprise at the end; another layer of the onion peeled back to reveal yet more.

[Haywire]

Does anybody else see an episode of South Park coming out of this?

[Elizabeth I]

I'm not sure about that. I think it has more to do with the issue of celebrity endorsements and how lightly they can be taken i.e. not investigated. Celebrity isn't limited to people in the business of artificial drama. Do you have reason to believe that pro athlete endorsements, for example, are more trustworthy than those made by people in the creative entertainment industry?

It all depends. If it's jock straps or steroids, a pro athlete probably ought to be taken pretty seriously.

You are taking this way too seriously. I was merely making a joke comparing the content of TV shows/movies to conspiracty theories. I can see now that this attempt at humor failed.

If you want a serious discussion about why celebrity endorsements are untrustworthy, then fine. I don't trust celebrity endorsements because they are usually paid for and they, with rare exception, come from someone who is unqualified to give an expert opinion on the subject at hand. The only endorsements I care about are those from people who are experts in the field that concerns the subject and which are not paid for.

I'll refrain from making jokes from now on.
Please don't. I thought your previous post a model of conciseness and wit.:)

[defaultdotxbe]

On the subject of celebrities, one of my favourite comedians is Chris Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Morris_%28satirist%29), whose show Brass Eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_Eye) featured celebrities giving endorsements to made up campaigns and having absolutely no idea what they were saying was utterly ridiculous.

Inside the spoiler tags are the clips of this that I managed to find on YouTube. Spoiler tagged so that I don't take up loads of space with youtube videos.

First up an advert for the "science" edition, warning of the dangers of heavy electricity (0:32)

c0N_CHOZKZM

Next, another short clip about the "good science" of the light saving brick (0:47)

g3emEJsW_iU

A longer clip about a fictional drug called "cake" (7:16) CONTAINS SWEARING

WwylBRucU7w

The 2nd Part of the infamous Brass Eye Paedophile Special (8:53) SOME PEOPLE MAY FIND THIS OFFENSIVE AND IT PROBABLY ISN'T WORK SAFE

UcnQDYnGtS8

And, lastly, the section about Chris Morris from the programme "Top Ten TV Rebels" (6:41)

SLbSZatEoYE
penn and teller did somethign similar where they got a bunch of people to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide

[maccy]

penn and teller did somethign similar where they got a bunch of people to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide

I'm not sure if it should be banned outright, perhaps we could license it to scientifically advanced and responsible vendors like Penta?

[MarkyX]

Yeah I watched that episode on Penn and Teller just this morning. Environmental Hysteria.

It just makes me cringe that these people, and those who follow them, suggest we should take them seriously not because of science, but based on fame.

Sheep indeed.

[NickUK]

Why are there no cool people who believe the CT?

It's a bit like the 1980s Conservative Party conferences in the UK - they used to reel out their celebs and it was like a who's who of bores, hasbeens and the criminally unfashionable.

Now if Tony Bennett or DeNiro suddenly started talking about 'collapse in it's own footprint' or 'suspended laws of physics', then I'd sign up for woowoo!

[carlvs]

In my experience there's a lot of woo in the film industry. And a big mistrust of government (I blame all those political thriller/sci fi/action films).

-Gumboot

Gee, and I thought it had something to do with how many times politicians on both the left and right have tried to use the film industry as a convient "declining values " scapegoat to win votes back in their home districts...

[carlvs]

penn and teller did somethign similar where they got a bunch of people to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide

There's just one thing wrong with these "dihydrogen monoxide" stunts when you think about it - just how many times have you heard of water refered to by its chemical name? I consider myself pretty well knowledged in scientific affairs, and I believe the first time I ever heard of "dihydrogen monoxide" was on a spoof site.

Heck, I even had a chemistry class in HS (back when they let students handle dangerous materials,) and when it came to water, we refered to it as water...

[gumboot]

Gee, and I thought it had something to do with how many times politicians on both the left and right have tried to use the film industry as a convient "declining values " scapegoat to win votes back in their home districts...


I've never really thought of that. Filmmaking is usually about breaking rules, so filmmakers do so eagerly.

They don't obey speed limits
They smoke/inject/snort/lick illegal substances
They illegally copy music/films(never understood why they rip off their own industry)
Etc...

And they are indignant any time anyone tries to stop them.

Silly bunch of people really.

-Gumboot

[IronSnot]

Wake up and smell the roses people.

[Regnad Kcin]

Why are there no cool people who believe the CT?

It's a bit like the 1980s Conservative Party conferences in the UK - they used to reel out their celebs and it was like a who's who of bores, hasbeens and the criminally unfashionable.

Now if Tony Bennett or DeNiro suddenly started talking about 'collapse in it's own footprint' or 'suspended laws of physics', then I'd sign up for woowoo!Well, Mr. Brolin did play "Pee Wee Herman" in the titular character's first film. One doesn't do that without being at least a little cool.

[Orphia Nay]

Wake up and smell the roses people.

Well, I'm sure sniffing things is one way to become susceptible to teh twoof.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Wake up and smell the roses people.
Provide objective, verifiable evidence; not cliches.

[PerryLogan]

Wait a minute...

This whole thread is based on something someone saw on Fox News!

Fox News, people! We're wasting our time here.

Thread canceled.

[beachnut]

Wake up and smell the roses people.


Yep, Hollywood types are undereducated, Charlie Sheen was a dropout, wonder if this couple finished school?

Seems the biggest CT ideas are believed by the dumbest people.

[carlvs]

Wait a minute...

This whole thread is based on something someone saw on Fox News!

Fox News, people! We're wasting our time here.

Thread canceled.

Noble effort, but since:

1. This confirms some people's stereotypes concerning celebrities,
2. Others believe that freedom of speech - even wrong speech - should not apply to them, and
3. Some people (especially conservatives) just HATE Barbra Streisand, and would do anything to slander her and her fans,

it is doomed to failure...

[JimBenArm]

Noble effort, but since:

1. This confirms some people's stereotypes concerning celebrities,
2. Others believe that freedom of speech - even wrong speech - should not apply to them, and
3. Some people (especially conservatives) just HATE Barbra Streisand, and would do anything to slander her and her fans,

it is doomed to failure...


Come on, if I want to argue politics, there are other more appropriate forums to do that. Knock off the whole conservative/liberal nonsense, and take it elsewhere!

[greyleonard]

It all depends. If it's jock straps or steroids, a pro athlete probably ought to be taken pretty seriously.


Did you forget the existence of female athletes?
(I doubt you had this (http://www.femalejockstrap.com/) in mind at the time ;))

[Regnad Kcin]

Wake up and smell the roses people.Are we the luckiest people in the world?

(BTW, it's "coffee," not "roses.")

[greyleonard]

Are we the luckiest people in the world?

(BTW, it's "coffee," not "roses.")

I thought "the roses" was a Barbra Streisand (http://www.barbrastreisand.com/) joke. ?

[FramerDave]

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