A mystically interesting story! What do you think? Read it.

[Janet777]

Woman’s Own Magazine – 10 April 2006

Page 50 and 51 He can see the future and the past. Our Dennis meets a 14-year-old who possesses a special gift.

He can see the future and the past

‘He told Umit not to travel in a red car in January’

‘If I am unsure of a decision, I ask Seydali’

Layka Mesut is convinced that her 14-year-old son, Seydali, has psychic powers. But what do you think? Read on, and make up your own mind…

Mum, watch your handbag today when you’re shopping.’ It was a warning most parents would take lightly – but not Layka Mesut.
That’s because since the age of 10, her son, Seydali, has shown amazing psychic powers. And this time he was proved right, yet again.
As Layka stood browsing at a sports shop near her home in Hackney, East London, a thief came out of nowhere, snatched her handbag and ran off.
‘I couldn’t believe it,’ said Layka. ‘Seydali had only warned me that morning as I went out shopping to watch my handbag.’

[wahrheit]

Welcome to the board!

Some highlights from that "story":


He can see the future and the past.

not to travel in a red car in January

watch your handbag today when you’re shopping.’

how else could he have possibly known about my late uncle?

There’s no way it could have been a coincidence

become afraid of his own apparent ability to see into the future.

she could sense that he had special powers

read their tarot cards for them because he’s always right

a reading for my sister and told her that she was pregnant. He was right, but she hadn’t told a soul about it.

fly to Turkey – where her parents and sister live – in the following few weeks, and that she’d be met with bad news when she got there

and so on.

And what I think about it:

:slp: *yawn*

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Layka Mesut is convinced that her 14-year-old son, Seydali, has psychic powers. But what do you think? Read on, and make up your own mind…
You can't "make up your own mind" from that story. It's just a story. I wish people would stop asking me to make up my own mind based on a story.

~~ Paul

[Janet777]

I read some where on the internet a while ago that Seydali is in someway connected with Sylvia Browne, and that they are family members. I do not know how true this is but if I find the website that I read it on I will post it up on this thread.

The article which I posted above was published in a magazine. Since then Seydali has appeared in other magazines too. I saw him twice on TV as well whilst he was answering caller’s questions and giving general readings, but I must say he was good.

Alongside this, I have also seen him in newspapers and on a radio show called “The Game!” I think that was the radio shows name, I am not quite sure. Anyways, I have been following this interesting kid on the media and I must say he has caught my attention.

I will post up another published article that talked about him later on, as soon as I find it =).

[Moochie]

I read some where on the internet a while ago that Seydali is in someway connected with Sylvia Browne, and that they are family members. I do not know how true this is but if I find the website that I read it on I will post it up on this thread.

The article which I posted above was published in a magazine. Since then Seydali has appeared in other magazines too. I saw him twice on TV as well whilst he was answering caller’s questions and giving general readings, but I must say he was good.

Alongside this, I have also seen him in newspapers and on a radio show called “The Game!” I think that was the radio shows name, I am not quite sure. Anyways, I have been following this interesting kid on the media and I must say he has caught my attention.

I will post up another published article that talked about him later on, as soon as I find it =).


It's called entertainment.

M.

[Waddauno]

Rule #4 here?

[Scott Haley]

If he could "see" (their word) that a man was going to see her purse, why didn't he say "Mommy, a brown-haired man in a black coat is going to steal your purse today." Predictions of the future tend to be vague statements that can be interpreted in a variety of ways. "Watch your handbag" could be interpreted later as a prophecy if she lost it, spilled it in the street, or stained it with coffee. He said "don't ride in a red car," but if he "saw" the car accident, he could have said "you are going to smash into another car."

If you get a list of predictions from a so-called "psychic" made before the events are supposed to happen, then go back later and see how many did happen, the success rate is always very low. People react with awe and wonder to the predictions seen as successful, and ignore the rest. Some are very hard to disprove--how can something like "watch your handbag" be proven false? The article does not say how often the boy makes predictions that can be seen as prophetic. Maybe he says a lot of things, and just a few of them come true.

[sophia8]

There appears to be more than one psychic named Seydali Mesut (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=PeP&q=%22Seydali+Mesut%22&btnG=Search)

[fuelair]

I tend to distrust any publication that refers to one of it's reporting units as "Our Dennis". And "Our Dennis" is apparently their resident medium.

Why yes, yes I do believe it's a load of tea and crumpets! And therefore:
Why no, no I don't believe it.

[Janet777]

Very interesting comments are being placed on this thread. There truly is an endless amount of possibilities here. Anyway, here is the other article I read about him in a different magazine:

Take It Easy Magazine – August 20 2006

That’s spooky! The boy who sees dead people

Page 10 and 11 Spooky life
[SIZE=3]My psychic son can see the dead

My son sees dead people
Layka Mesut, 35, thought her little boy was being over-protective when he issued stark warnings – but it turned out he had special powers…

‘Hang on to your handbag, Mummy’ SPOOKY… Seydali knew Layka’s bag was a target

‘Watch out for the red car, Daddy’ SPOOKY… Seydali knew his dad, Umit, was in trouble

BABY SPOOK: Seydali had power since he was a baby

SCHOOL SPOOK: Seydali’s happy at school with his sister, Esmene – but what does the future hold for him?

“The sun beat down on the apple orchard where we were enjoying a family picnic on holiday in Cyprus.
Then my 11-year-old son, Seydali, said something that made my blood run cold.
‘W-what did you just say?’ I asked.
‘I said that Uncle Mahmut’s over there, under that tree. See?’ he said.
But my Uncle Mahmut, who’d worked in the very same orchard picking apples four years ago, had died five years earlier.

[baron]

I'm a great believer in paying attention to anecdotes and personal accounts, filing them away for later comparison, but on its own this story means little.

Perhaps the mother is lying. Maybe she's lying for a purpose, maybe she's mad. She could have decided she can make money from a scam involving her son giving readings (it wouldn't be the first time). Perhaps she's simply mistaken, or chooses to ignore the hundreds of instances that her son predicts events that don't come true. Perhaps the son is a clever kid and is playing tricks. Maybe they both are. Maybe none of them actually exist and the author made up the whole thing. Or maybe it's all true. Who knows? As it stands there's just nothing to go on.

[Janet777]

I tend to distrust any publication that refers to one of it's reporting units as "Our Dennis". And "Our Dennis" is apparently their resident medium.

Why yes, yes I do believe it's a load of tea and crumpets! And therefore:
Why no, no I don't believe it.
Yes I also did notice that they refer to their resident psychic as “Our Dennis” which is not professional at all. If you read the manner in which Dennis responded to Seydali I would say that he was jealous of him.

He must have thought that Seydali might one day take his place or something like that, which is very rude of him; I personally did not like his response at all. I still regularly see Seydali on a digital channel aired on Sky TV and I just think it is so fascinating and at the same time so odd that they feature a 15-year-old child on their show.

[sophia8]

Wonder what he charges for a reading? Maybe janet777 can tell us, since she's clearly working hard at getting his name tagged for the searchbots.

[Moochie]

Wonder what he charges for a reading? Maybe janet777 can tell us, since she's clearly working hard at getting his name tagged for the searchbots.

File under Entertainment :D

M.

[Yahzi]

odd that they feature a 15-year-old child on their show
Nothing odd about it.

15-year olds work cheap.

Exploiting children is a time-honored practice.

[Janet777]

Nothing odd about it.

15-year olds work cheap.

Exploiting children is a time-honored practice.

Well I still do not think it is right, because whether or not Seydali has true psychic ability they should not feature him on their show on a regular basis. Most definitely he is obviously being paid, but should children not focus ENTIRELY on their school life at this age?

I do understand that Seydali is good, but I feel he is also being used as a rating on these media appearances. If this is what he wants to do when he is older then he certainly is already building up his profile by the looks of things at quite a young age. But like I said, I think it is the ratings that matter here, just like the hosts and presenters of talk shows feature Sylvia Browne to gain ratings in the tons.

[Davo]

What is never mentioned is the things which seydali says which never eventuate. For the kid its probably like a game, make up some future possibilities and see how many he gets correct. The more predictions he makes and the more people he predicts for, the higher the liklihood of a hit.

The fact that the kid is awarded for more hits encourages him to talk more nonsense.

Come on if he really knew someone would be in a car accident on that day, wouldn`t you do more to get them to stay indoors for the day.

[Janet777]

What is never mentioned is the things which seydali says which never eventuate. For the kid its probably like a game, make up some future possibilities and see how many he gets correct. The more predictions he makes and the more people he predicts for, the higher the liklihood of a hit.

The fact that the kid is awarded for more hits encourages him to talk more nonsense.

Come on if he really knew someone would be in a car accident on that day, wouldn`t you do more to get them to stay indoors for the day.

I totally agree with some of your points. But MAYBE Seydali did not fully know that his father would be in a car accident on that day, maybe he was just shown that his father should not enter into a car otherwise he would live through some sort of traumatic experience which he was not fully being shown.

But he still chose to warn his father more than once continually, although he never listened.

[TheChadd]

maybe he was just shown that his father should not enter into a car otherwise he would live through some sort of traumatic experience which he was not fully being shown.

Don't you think that's kind of convenient? We're looking for a way, based off these little articles you've given us, to possibly disprove this boys claims - A way to make them falsifiable claims, instead of entirely cryptic guesses that could mean anything.

[chillzero]

I totally agree with some of your points. But MAYBE Seydali did not fully know that his father would be in a car accident on that day, maybe he was just shown that his father should not enter into a car otherwise he would live through some sort of traumatic experience which he was not fully being shown.

But he still chose to warn his father more than once continually, although he never listened.

Yeah. I used to do this a lot back when I was doing tarot readings and such-like. I 'believed' (i.e. deluded myself) that because of the warnings, something much worse had been avoided.

Then, also, if something else bad happened in close proximity to that, I would see it as fate - meaning that something was going to happen anyway, and I shouldn't have intervened.

He chose to warn his father repeatedly - what happened (or didn't) all those other times he warned him? He could warn him of something every single day of his life - only the day that something actually happens is remembered as 'prophetic'.

[Janet777]

Just for the record. The two articles I managed to find on Seydali which I posted here above, have been edited and cut down in size by a forum moderator or administrator probably and I do not know why. I just wanted to point it out to avoid confusion that the articles were lengthier when I posted them, but now they have been edited.

[wahrheit]

Just for the record. The two articles I managed to find on Seydali which I posted here above, have been edited and cut down in size by a forum moderator or administrator probably and I do not know why. I just wanted to point it out to avoid confusion that the articles were lengthier when I posted them, but now they have been edited.

Look at the membership agreement, Rule 4 (http://www.randi.org/forum/rules.html). You can't post entire articles that probably are copyrighted material, only excerpts.

[7th sextile]

Look at the membership agreement, Rule 4 (http://www.randi.org/forum/rules.html). You can't post entire articles that probably are copyrighted material, only excerpts.

...and if you look at the bottom of your OP in this thread you'll see
a note to that effect from the moderator who edited it.

[Janet777]

Oh okay. Thanks, I did not realize this. I appreciate it that you told me =).

[Azrael 5]

Point 1. its Woman's Own therefore on no account should be taken seriously;and two I have no proof right now,but I'm betting "Our Dennis" is Dennis Mckenzie.Even more reason to dismiss out of hand.

ETA: I was right.
http://www.dennismckenzie.com/

[RSLancastr]

I read some where on the internet a while ago that Seydali is in someway connected with Sylvia Browne, and that they are family members.Well, I hope that he is better at cold reading than she is (http://www.StopSylviaBrowne.com).

[Janet777]

I too do not like Dennis McKenzie; he always comes across as being pretty rude. I do not have anything against Woman’s Own magazine but I can understand why you would think that this magazine should not be taken seriously. But if the magazine is the problem, then I can tell you that I have seen Seydali in other magazines and newspapers etc. too.

[Janet777]

"Well, I hope that he is better at cold reading than she (Sylvia Browne) is."

L.O.L., the child seems like a very smart kid, I saw him at one point on Sky and he never lets anything be said by the viewers against him and his psychic ability, he even shouts to prove his point at times, clearly he does trust himself so I guess this does make him common with Sylvia Browne.

[TheChadd]

saw him at one point on Sky and he never lets anything be said by the viewers against him and his psychic ability, he even shouts to prove his point at times, clearly he does trust himself

Actually I'd argue denying people the opportunity to question your ability is a sign you really don't believe in your own ability.

[wahrheit]

Actually I'd argue denying people the opportunity to question your ability is a sign you really don't believe in your own ability.

Let alone this:

he even shouts to prove his point

Shouting to prove your point certainly is an indication of credibility :rolleyes:

[Azrael 5]

He is a silly fat man,I contacted his agent regarding taking Randi-or any-challenge and got short shrift.
The BTK killer I believe resembled nothing of whta McKenzie claimed,and indeed the killer of a young London student also fell under his psychic radar.

[Zep]

Womens Own is now a scientific peer-reviewed journal of repute on such matters? Really?? Well, hasn't its stature grown recently!

And here was I thinking it was a cheap and shallow mag for five minutes' entertainment for the bored checkout-chicks.

:rolleyes:

[Soapy Sam]

Seydali Mesut. 7 Crandale House Pembury Estate Hackney London E5 8LN. ... Please note, that i only accept Postal Orders Made payable to: Seydali Mesut. ...

Psychic Sam will accept money of any sort. I predict you will regret sending it, but feel free to go ahead anyway.

[Janet777]

Seydali Mesut. 7 Crandale House Pembury Estate Hackney London E5 8LN. ... Please note, that i only accept Postal Orders Made payable to: Seydali Mesut. ...

Psychic Sam will accept money of any sort. I predict you will regret sending it, but feel free to go ahead anyway.


Do you think those details belong to the Seydali we are talking about here? I think I came across those too, I am not sure.

[sophia8]

Do you think those details belong to the Seydali we are talking about here?
No - it seems to be yet another
Seydali Mesut (http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:s8AdDg1Zgk8J:psychicseydali.myblogs ite.com/blog/_archives/2005/4/8+%22Seydali+Mesut%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a)Seydali has had over 27 years expirence, and therefore is a Professional Psychic, Clairvoyant, and Medium. In his spare time Seydali likes to travel the world, helping people who are in need of him, because Seydali lives in London, there are people that still want his help worldwide, as he is widely adviced by people, and therefore while traveling around the world, Seydali helps as much people as he can he gives guidance, help, advice, readings, and answers question, and people just thank and love him of his kindness.
Seydali also reguarly makes Media appearances on T.V, he also appears in Magazines, Newspapers and Radio, as well as published articles and more. He tries to help as much as he can, and wherever he has been seen, he has left people feeling amazed, and wonderful, with his lovely accuarte answers, and pin pointed on readings, he is always mentioned, whenever psychics or Clairvoyants are being talked about. He also reguarly gets interviwed, and gives reguarly Lectures.
He also reguarly performs in ceremonies of the Wiican's and Pegan's, since his a Wiccan White Witch Witch and Pegan himself, his always spotted in wiccan and pegan ceremonies.
Unless the Seydali above has changed sex, he's not this Seydali Mesut (http://www.helium.com/user/show/8200) either:Seydali is one of Turkeys Celebrity Psychics. She has over 17 years of experience in being a Psychic Reader. She has read for people from all around the world and from all walks of life, ranging from people in the Media to Doctors, Football Players, Polices, Lawyers and funnily enough even other well known Psychics to name but a few.
So that makes three Seydali Mesuts so far.

[Janet777]

No - it seems to be yet another Seydali Mesut
Unless the Seydali above has changed sex, he's not this Seydali Mesut either:
So that makes three Seydali Mesuts so far.

I am confused. Seydali is a male from what I have seen and know. I think since the internet is a big place there probably is other Seydali Mesut’s in the world too. Or do you think this is a SCAM where someone else is pretending to be Seydali to earn money or something?

God knows.

[wahrheit]

Or do you think this is a SCAM where someone else is pretending to be Seydali to earn money or something?
Personally, I'd say it's a scam either way, no matter who/what/which Seydali pretends to be a seer.

[thomps1d]

Or do you think this is a SCAM where someone else is pretending to be Seydali to earn money or something?

Or...are all three scams trying to earn money by tricking people?

Did I just blow your mind?

C'mon...admit it. I blew your mind.

[Janet777]

Or...are all three scams trying to earn money by tricking people?

Did I just blow your mind?

C'mon...admit it. I blew your mind.

Um, no you did not blow my mind :).

[personable]

I am confused. Seydali is a male from what I have seen and know. I think since the internet is a big place there probably is other Seydali Mesut’s in the world too. Or do you think this is a SCAM where someone else is pretending to be Seydali to earn money or something?

God knows.


Do I think it's a scam? Yes.

All of these Seydali's are pretending to have psychic powers to make money from people.

If you believe your protege has genuine psychic powers, why don't you write to him and ask him to apply for the one million dollar challenge. If he refuses, or makes excuses, as yourself why. For we know that since he or his handlers submit his stories to magazines, that he either seeks notoriety or fortune, and the challenge would give him both.

[LazyDog]

So that makes three Seydali Mesuts so far.

Perhaps it's a new type of franchise? ;)

[Ashles]

Mum, watch your handbag today when you’re shopping.’ It was a warning most parents would take lightly – but not Layka Mesut.
That’s because since the age of 10, her son, Seydali, has shown amazing psychic powers. And this time he was proved right, yet again.
As Layka stood browsing at a sports shop near her home in Hackney, East London, a thief came out of nowhere, snatched her handbag and ran off.

So she has such utter faith in these predictions... she utterly ignores them?

And as for Dennis Mackenzie...

Please do a search on him on these forums. A self-publicising leech who involves himself in unpleasant investigations for his own self-glory then assumes any pathetic generalisation to be an effective reading, or slinks away when he fails utterly. A vile man.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=28352&highlight=mackenzie
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=28639&highlight=mackenzie

[Janet777]

So she has such utter faith in these predictions... she utterly ignores them?

And as for Dennis Mackenzie...

Please do a search on him on these forums. A self-publicising leech who involves himself in unpleasant investigations for his own self-glory then assumes any pathetic generalisation to be an effective reading, or slinks away when he fails utterly. A vile man.

From what I understand the mother does have faith in her son’s predictions BUT she was ignoring him at first because she did not think much of it, and in a way many mothers would not at first too =). As for Dennis McKenzie, he has absolutely no right to criticize, condemn and complain about people in the way he does.

He never shows any honest and sincere appreciation and I think people deserve better than the lies this man feeds them. He is not genuinely interested in other people so I definitely agree with you Ashles. People deserve better and this man just does not care.

[wahrheit]

Janet777, I've been following this thread from the beginning, but I'm still unsure as to what exactly your point is :confused:

[Janet777]

Janet777, I've been following this thread from the beginning, but I'm still unsure as to what exactly your point is :confused:

My point is that in some cases TRUE and REAL psychic ability can exist.

[grayman]

My point is that in some cases TRUE and REAL psychic ability can exist.

Evidence?



BTW, a million dollars (http://www.randi.org/research/index.html)says you're wrong.

[HeyLeroy]

Prove it.

[wahrheit]

My point is that in some cases TRUE and REAL psychic ability can exist.

Thanks for the clarification. Now, just tell me where, when and with whom.

[grayman]

Last edited by HeyLeroy : Today at 12:30 PM. Reason: Damn you, grayman!:D

Get off dial-up. :D

[HeyLeroy]

Get off dial-up. :D

Actually, I'm on a networked DSL connection (http://reviews.cnet.com/7009-7254_7-0.html?CType=2278&ac=519&ISPID=&ISPNAME=&&kbps=1176.8) (at the library). Just took me some time to read the thread, so http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/619745477102a3166.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/6197454770e6069b1.gif

[TheChadd]

My point is that in some cases TRUE and REAL psychic ability can exist.

Hi Janet, I'd really like to meet a real psychic to me that'd be quite an amazing experience. Anyway, what evidence do you have that there's a real psychic? Is it just anacdotes like what you've given us up to date? You must understand that such stories are not very good evidence.

If this boy could accept James Randi's million dollar challenge and beat it, I would be willing to accept he may very well be a real psychic. It would be a great find for the world.

Please encourage him to take up the challenge.

[Janet777]

Hi Janet, I'd really like to meet a real psychic to me that'd be quite an amazing experience. Anyway, what evidence do you have that there's a real psychic? Is it just anacdotes like what you've given us up to date? You must understand that such stories are not very good evidence.

If this boy could accept James Randi's million dollar challenge and beat it, I would be willing to accept he may very well be a real psychic. It would be a great find for the world.

Please encourage him to take up the challenge.

I don’t even know Seydali.

[TheChadd]

I don’t even know Seydali.

Why do you think he wouldn't take up this challenge?

[Janet777]

Why do you think he wouldn't take up this challenge?

To be honest with you I would not even know if he would or would not take up the challenge. I have no connection with him in anyway so I do not know anything regarding him really.

[thomps1d]

...I do not know anything regarding him really.

I suspect there is considerably more wisdom in that sentence than you realize.

[RSLancastr]

I suspect there is considerably more wisdom in that sentence than you realize.Agreed.

[ObscureReferenceMan]

I suspect there is considerably more wisdom in that sentence than you realize.

Maybe a couple of extraneous words...

[HyJinX]

I'm getting a "J" or maybe a "K"
Is there a Jon or Joe or Kim or Kate on this board?
Nope...nope...it's a "B" or possibly an "F"
A bill or billy or bobby or bonny or Ferdinand...anybody here with that name?

[grayman]

I'm getting a "J" or maybe a "K"
Is there a Jon or Joe or Kim or Kate on this board?
Nope...nope...it's a "B" or possibly an "F"
A bill or billy or bobby or bonny or Ferdinand...anybody here with that name?

I heard a Franz Ferdinand song on the radio last night. You're creeping me out man.

[HyJinX]

I heard a Franz Ferdinand song on the radio last night. You're creeping me out man.


HELLO MILLION DOLLARS! Someone call James and let him know.